How u beat these chars with a pvp bone nec?

[DevilsWrath]

I'll start by telling my gear:
Um Shako
Enigma Dusk Shroud
2x Sojs
Arach
Wiz Spike (For fcr, resists, and mana. Cant afford hoto).
Trang Gloves
Marrows
Homun
+1 Psn bone charm (need to get more)

I have a problem beating blizz sorcs, orb sorcs, tele fire sorcs, trappers, bow zons, and other tele bone necros. I tele around and try to shoot teeth, spear, spirit whatever, but i never seem to hit them or do enough damage to kill them before they kill me. Trappers always get me stuck in mb, fire sorcs tele on top of me and kill me in 1 hit, other necros and blizz sorcs just get me stuck in their attacks and bow zons arrows are too fast for me to avoid. What can i do?

[Masenko]

If you can, getting a shaelshael CoA (70fhr) can help against mb (Treks help too)

Decrepify should help against the zons (Ume's on switch if you don't have a point in it)

[Pallidum]

I'll start by telling my gear:
Um Shako
Enigma Dusk Shroud
2x Sojs
Arach
Wiz Spike (For fcr, resists, and mana. Cant afford hoto).
Trang Gloves
Marrows
Homun
+1 Psn bone charm (need to get more)

I have a problem beating blizz sorcs, orb sorcs, tele fire sorcs, trappers, bow zons, and other tele bone necros. I tele around and try to shoot teeth, spear, spirit whatever, but i never seem to hit them or do enough damage to kill them before they kill me. Trappers always get me stuck in mb, fire sorcs tele on top of me and kill me in 1 hit, other necros and blizz sorcs just get me stuck in their attacks and bow zons arrows are too fast for me to avoid. What can i do?

Here are some issues you need to address if you want to get better.

1. You don't hit the 125% cast rate breakpoint. This is your biggest problem. Fix that asap. Get fast cast rings, darkforce, necro circlet with fast cast, a fast cast ammy, whatever. Just make sure you hit 125% or higher for ALL duels.

2. Not enough fast hit recovery. Try to get at least 39. 86 is good against mb trappers.

3. Not enough life. If you only have 1 pnb charm, fill you inventory with life//mana small charms, or life charms of any size. Get a CTA to boost your life even more.

4. Not enough resists. Use a 4 p sapphire shield against blizz sorcs and a raven if necessary. Doing that will let you tank 3-4 blizzes before you die. If you can't win with that margin of error, you need more practice. Same thing with fire sorcs. Use a high resist shield like 70% sanctuary or umed homunculus and use a dwarf star. That should let you tank 4-5 fireballs. *note: this is depending on how much life you have and how much the damage is being dealt. Against trappers use a 2 Lo, 2 P Topaz shield and 86 fast hit recovery.

5. Not enough damage reduce. Get a stormshield against zons if you are all vit. Otherwise make sure your dex is high enough to maintain 75% for zons.

6. Work on your damage.

7. Not enough experience. You won't get better if you don't practice, so keep dueling.

[TF-Gronk]

I'll start by telling my gear:
Um Shako
Enigma Dusk Shroud
2x Sojs
Arach
Wiz Spike (For fcr, resists, and mana. Cant afford hoto).
Trang Gloves
Marrows
Homun
+1 Psn bone charm (need to get more)

I have a problem beating blizz sorcs, orb sorcs, tele fire sorcs, trappers, bow zons, and other tele bone necros. I tele around and try to shoot teeth, spear, spirit whatever, but i never seem to hit them or do enough damage to kill them before they kill me. Trappers always get me stuck in mb, fire sorcs tele on top of me and kill me in 1 hit, other necros and blizz sorcs just get me stuck in their attacks and bow zons arrows are too fast for me to avoid. What can i do?



I find it kind of funny seeing as how you CAN afford enigma, but can´t afford hoto :)

Anyway, if i were you, id ditch one of the sojs for a ravenfrost (20dex of course) it helps your blocking allowing for more life/mana.
The absorb is a nice plus to it seeing as how most skilled blizzard/orb users do about 5k dmg(blizzard) and some do about 1k(orb)
Remember that blizzard needs to be targeted NEAR you, but BS doesnt, this gives you advantage, use it well.

If you dont mind being lame (i hope you do) you can allways overabsorb and use guardian angel against elementalists.

I really cant see how you have a problem with zons, play with defence, not offence and you will win.
Bone armor is your best friend, and bone wall is a great distraction for the arrows, use it to get in her face and curse her with decrepfy, after that she will be a pushover.

And remember this:
Practice makes perfekt ;)

[soulesschild]

wiz imo is > hoto, extra res and mana is killer :D

[Necrochild313]

wiz imo is > hoto, extra res and mana is killer :D
that extra 10% fcr can be a big help in choosing your other gear as well, not to mention the fact that you can socket it :thumbsup:

[flapserdk]

I have a slvl 92 Boner, with crab gear, no enigma and Hoto, but I win 80-90 % of all duels against Ama's, fireball sorc, orb sorc and trappers. Blizzard sorc are very tought if you dont have massive resist and absorb.

My best friend is my BW. When I duel against a fireball/orb sorc I cast 2-3 bonewalls (Lvl 27), and I just keep running around the walls, make a quick stops, shooting 2-3 BS (3k), and seek cover behind the BW. Normaly a sorc will run out of mana after a few hits, and then I kill her.
BW's are also very effective against GA, because the GA will hit the BW instead of you.
If the ama use MS instead (They pierce through BW), then cast 5-6 BW's between you and the ama, and most arrows will be absorb by the BW's.

BW are also good against trappers, despite that they cant absorb lightning, but her traps will also fire against your BW's instead of you.

BW are also very handy against WWsin's and Foh.

As Pallidum wrote, 125 % FCR is a must.

[INyCxT]

I'll start by telling my gear:
Um Shako
Enigma Dusk Shroud
2x Sojs
Arach
Wiz Spike (For fcr, resists, and mana. Cant afford hoto).
Trang Gloves
Marrows
Homun
+1 Psn bone charm (need to get more)

I have a problem beating blizz sorcs, orb sorcs, tele fire sorcs, trappers, bow zons, and other tele bone necros. I tele around and try to shoot teeth, spear, spirit whatever, but i never seem to hit them or do enough damage to kill them before they kill me. Trappers always get me stuck in mb, fire sorcs tele on top of me and kill me in 1 hit, other necros and blizz sorcs just get me stuck in their attacks and bow zons arrows are too fast for me to avoid. What can i do?

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[this_barb]

wow... what an idiotic comment. anyway, the point of the necromancer (and all casters for that matter) is that you must STAY OFF YOUR FEET meaning that no matter what, teleport should be your main skill. you should be teleporting more than you are actually shooting bone spears/spirits/teeth. it works much better with a faster connection as you wont double cast that much (which is pure gayness). if you've ever faced a godly necro, you'll notice he teleports a lot more than he will actually spam projectiles. dont just stand there shooting stuff as that will get you killed.

[mooffy]

Just make sure you hit 125% or higher for ALL duels.


going above 125% fcr is unnecessary since youll never be able to hit the next breakpoint

[Pallidum]

going above 125% fcr is unnecessary since youll never be able to hit the next breakpoint

I know that, but you might not be able to hit exactly 125 everytime. Not that many items with cast rate that end in a 5 now are there?

[awjl]

no there arent actually. 130.

[Relive The Stupidty]

wow... what an idiotic comment. anyway, the point of the necromancer (and all casters for that matter) is that you must STAY OFF YOUR FEET meaning that no matter what, teleport should be your main skill. you should be teleporting more than you are actually shooting bone spears/spirits/teeth. it works much better with a faster connection as you wont double cast that much (which is pure gayness). if you've ever faced a godly necro, you'll notice he teleports a lot more than he will actually spam projectiles. dont just stand there shooting stuff as that will get you killed.
my clvl 51 necro ( who btw is my only one w/o nigma) can own lvl 79s by walking round shooting walking more shooting...all you need is to know how to duel w/o a nigma to make that work...and seeing I came from classic I know how to do that :lol: I think your so use to useing nigma you forgot how to lolz.
I have a problem beating blizz sorcs, orb sorcs, tele fire sorcs, trappers, bow zons, and other tele bone necros. I tele around and try to shoot teeth, spear, spirit whatever, but i never seem to hit them or do enough damage to kill them before they kill me. Trappers always get me stuck in mb, fire sorcs tele on top of me and kill me in 1 hit, other necros and blizz sorcs just get me stuck in their attacks and bow zons arrows are too fast for me to avoid. What can i do?
Just 1 teeth wont do it use 5-10 that'll work (unless they do lots dmg lolz)
Zons = maxblock always so when faceing 1 use max block stand and shoot lol (just hope your shield dosnt break then youll drop like a duck.

[Velocifero]

ok but what is the overall best setup for pvp including the 125% fcr

[Pimpin Dream Girl]

Even if you don't have over 125 fcr..

You should be OWNING almost all the chars you mentioning with your gear... I mean a trapsin??? you'll just kill it with couple spears up from far back.
Zons, spam spirits from hella far back, just like they'll do with arrows. Zons can't dodge all 500 spirits even with evade and stuff can they...
Blizz and fb... lol tele around, couple spirits, same tactic, and you will almost NEVER get hit... I mean you must be pretty new at duelin nec cuz having an enigma on a bonemancer makes an infinite possibility...

[WuffWhacker]

I know that, but you might not be able to hit exactly 125 everytime. Not that many items with cast rate that end in a 5 now are there?

... only every single crafted caster belt I've ever made...
*grumble*

[Pallidum]

... only every single crafted caster belt I've ever made...
*grumble*

lol, pwned by bnet X_X

[Phyrexial]

I think alot of you are underestimating your opponents. To anyone that thinks Enigma isn't necessary, I'd challenge any of you on East NL to try to beat my tele necro with a non-tele necro. Trust me, its not happening.

FB sorcs: FB acts essentially like Spear, however FB sorcs tele faster than you do and they can tank alot more of your hits than you can tank of theirs if they use ES and you don't have 90+ res and a hefty amount of life. He's using Marrows so if he switches out for Hotspurs his damage will suffer and he won't have give himself much of an advantage. Both sorc and necro will then be able to tank more of each other's hits.

I personally try to play defensively against FB sorcs and eventually they go on the offensive. At this time you can try to bait them into teleing ontop of BS as you tele away. You can't afford to stand still for long and you really need to stay off their screen unless you know what you are doing. This applies moreso if you don't have 125% fcr.

Blizz sorcs: Have any of you actually played a Blizz sorc? Short of FoH I think its one of the easiest skills to duel with. It has a chance to insta-hit so all you need to do is get your target onscreen, click on their name, and sooner or later most opponents die. It is generally a 1 hit kill unless the target is stacking major cold res via a cold shield. Blizz sorcs are not to be taken lightly.

The weakness of Blizz that you need to exploit is that they do infact need to see you or at least get you at the edge of their screen to hit you. Play the range game and remember to tele a good 2 screens away if you see the sorc. Chances are if you saw the sorc, she's got a namelock on you and can drop Blizz on your head from way offscreen.

Orb sorcs: They also lack range similarly to the Blizz sorc, but they have a fire and forget style of attack so they can just tele like mad and spam orbs. These are the easiest to negate if things require it. Blackoak+2 ravens = invincible to Orb.

The individual shards from Orb may not hurt so much, but if you are close to the orb when it explodes, it hurts. Alot. So be careful and dodge well.

As a general tip for all sorcs, you'd be surprised how many neglect fhr. Most you can actually just teeth stun to death.

Zons you shouldn't have any problems with in 99% of duels if you have max block. Between your recastable bone armor and block, it should be easy. Decrep for extra assurance of victory. An easy way to get some hits is to spam spirits at them and then teeth them as they run from your train of spirits. The teeth generally stops them for a second so the Spirits catch up and kill. Rinse and repeat as needed.

Trappers are difficult if they have at least half a brain and Enigma. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either ignorant or uses a 95% res+absorb setup. I have seen very very few necros that can take a good trapper without at least using Tgods. My advice to you is to stay out of range of the traps and keeping shooting spirits mixed with spear every now and then. Sooner or later they will need to come after you and when they leave the safety of their trap field is when you need to strike. Once those traps start hitting the ground again, its time to get out. As was said already, 86% fhr is ideal for MB using trappers.

[DevilsWrath]

phyrexial, i would love to meet ur necro on nl east just to see what tactics/gear you use. /msg *devils_enema whenever youre on

[soulesschild]

The thing about trappers is that, i personally use a Lo Humonc unless they're the *** types that just camp, then its full absorb and tank and laugh at them whine.

Trappers will almost NEVER EVER kill you if you don't go after them, IE, sit and wait for them to get impatient, keeping them on their toes with IBS. If you go after them, you can win but its hard, one mistake or one lock and u can be doomed, 86 FHR is crucial if you're the TANK ALL KILL ALL type. Otherwise 56 works. Keep them on their toes with BS/Spear, if you can do it or you're feeling lucky, u can go for close range spear locks and teeth spams. Best thing to is make them move from their lil trap field using alot of IBS/Spear, as soon as they move, teleport AROUND their trapfield if u can predict where it is and catch them that way.