Illustrious List 2

[Stoutwood]

Temple has grown a lot recently, and the original Illustrious List that was started by FoodPoisoning has become full. I am now making Illustrious List 2. If you are interested in being added, post your account here. Also, mortic, I need your account as well. This is on USWEST non-ladder by the way.

EDIT: There also seems to be a common misconception that Temple is Zeal-only. This is untrue. Temple is open to every Paladin class. As long as you abide by the rules, you are welcome to come. Also, duel classes other than your own every now and then.

[wvx_leader_returns]

Ima go ahead and bump this since i like the idea...

People really think temple is zealot only? I mean a lot of people talk V/T and temple so i dont get how that works but stout is obviously right in that temple is for all paladin classes.

-wvx

[militantJ]

how about listing the rules here so that the uninformed can decide whether to opt in or not? =)

[mortic]

add me *mootime

[Damon2400]

Stoutwood banned?

[DeadInside.DOA]

I am still new to the forums so what exactly is the Illustrious List?

[FoodPoisoning]

Why are Ben and Rees banned...

[FoodPoisoning]

Wow...
this forum is so ****ty really... I don't know why I bother with it
We make some dumb OT Thread, and it dissapears
some kid comes over and starts shooting his mouth off, so we try to put him in his place. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO DO WHEN SOMEONE IS GOING "I am more richer than joo LOLZOMG ROFFLEMAYO"
I get threatened with a temp ban for bumping
My friend is perma banned for bumping twice
Another friend is perma banned for having a "questionable" item. They didn't know if it was legit or not, yet they never bothered to find out.
I read the thread in which Dracoy was shooting his mouth off, and the allmost all of the people who were banned kept themselves civil. Do you really expect people not to "flame" when someone hijacks their thread with "I am the greatest evar" at least they did it in a "civil" way
Could the mods be any more anal!?
JUST Relax! don't do it!
take a chillll pillll
just CHILLAX
Don't be hatin!
Don't be drinkin that hater-ade


Yeah...

[Mr.Glasscock]

Wow...
this forum is so ****ty really... I don't know why I bother with it
We make some dumb OT Thread, and it dissapears
some kid comes over and starts shooting his mouth off, so we try to put him in his place. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO DO WHEN SOMEONE IS GOING "I am more richer than joo LOLZOMG ROFFLEMAYO"
I get threatened with a temp ban for bumping
My friend is perma banned for bumping twice
Another friend is perma banned for having a "questionable" item. They didn't know if it was legit or not, yet they never bothered to find out.
I read the thread in which Dracoy was shooting his mouth off, and the allmost all of the people who were banned kept themselves civil. Do you really expect people not to "flame" when someone hijacks their thread with "I am the greatest evar" at least they did it in a "civil" way
Could the mods be any more anal!?
JUST Relax! don't do it!
take a chillll pillll
just CHILLAX
Don't be hatin!
Don't be drinkin that hater-ade


Yeah...

i read 'anal' and i was hooked.

no seriously, its true. but apparently we can't point out stupidity or make ourselves seem smarter (which is inevitable since we argue against idiots only). So we can't put people in their place; people who have absolutely no business in the thread, who don't contribute anything, and who are being "civil" according to mods (meaning too stupid to come up with any sort intelligent statement; thus having nothing to yell about)

its a cycle, and the idiots will rule.

Anyways, the people that got banned were the few ones that had any hope for temple, so that'll probably die out for a while ( or forever, no way to tell).

Way to not have a mod and know nothing of the paladin forum and not know who contributes most. (ie: the banned)

and hater-aid is too good.

[ROMVS]

Why are Ben and Rees banned...

Ben got banned cause of the questionable item that might have had a 40/15 in it. I just hope it's a temp ban. Too many good posters have been banned already like Fonis for example.

[Los Sin Nombre]

It was obvious 40/15(or some else bad bad jewel) and you all know it. Yes, he contributed lot to pala-forum, but you still get banned for breaking rules. It doesn't matter who you are, you still can get banned. Well, it seems some people are "unbannable"...

[Duy]

i would like to try out my zealot

*skinnies

[-Ferro-]

It is interesting how you get get banned for mentioning bad items/jewels in trade forums while many others recomend using them in the nice guides at the top in the sticky...I know there are no rules against recommending the usage of dupped in guides tho, arent these the same forums? noone breaks the rule and everybody is happy but oh well, dont talk about it in the forum close to this one^^.

[Pravda]

Well, it seems some people are "unbannable"...

They're friends with mods or mods themselves -_-

There aren't that many people from east left either. Most are banned or quit. 99% of all the posts are about basic stuff you can find in the FAQ or exile bashing. What's the reason to visit this forum? Someone tell me -_-

[LovelyGods]

Ben got banned cause of the questionable item that might have had a 40/15 in it. I just hope it's a temp ban. Too many good posters have been banned already like Fonis for example.


How is a Named Arkanes Valor with a 40/15ias questionable. its not even eth or anything.

ive had it for a long time, i gave it to ben to start over with some decent items, i think i got it from bill before he quit the second time.


thats a common item, i dont understand how people ban other people from selling items with duped jewels in em.

isn't most if not all RUNES duped as well?

that makes no sence

and yet they can sell e.bug items too..... how dumb is that.

[FoodPoisoning]

A certain friend of mine was selling a 148/27 max/30 ias boneweave with 17 fhr. the mods didn't even take the time to check and see if his armor was legit, they just banned him.
I think the mods should RELAX. It would be so much nicer of a forum.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

It won't happen.

I was the most laid back mod about banning by far and I would try to go out of my way not to ban, in particular for those who I knew contributed. My reward was accusations of bias, criticism from other mods for leniency, and hate from posters who I never bothered to ban for it (at least, rarely, tothepoint and one other troll were about my only victims).

The mods of this site long ago decided its better to kill a good poster than make an exception. Live with it or leave, the mods won't change thier mind.

Garbad

[mortic]

If you are talking about the thread where stoutwood and dracoy exchanged remarks. The real question there is "why wasn't dracoy banned?" I know that stoutwood provoked incident. I thought dracoy handled it well in his first post but then he kinda lost it just as stoutwood in some later posts. Maybe there are different banning policies on provokers and defenders...

edit: I don't think moderated forums should relax their rules. We already have bnet channels and public chats for all your "un-censored" remarks.

[GH_Foudray]

Temple has grown a lot recently, and the original Illustrious List that was started by FoodPoisoning has become full. I am now making Illustrious List 2. If you are interested in being added, post your account here. Also, mortic, I need your account as well. This is on USWEST non-ladder by the way.

EDIT: There also seems to be a common misconception that Temple is Zeal-only. This is untrue. Temple is open to every Paladin class. As long as you abide by the rules, you are welcome to come. Also, duel classes other than your own every now and then.

I am who i am GH_Foudray I'll be joining you shortly so add me in.

[Lunatic]

and yet they can sell e.bug items too..... how dumb is that.

You can't sell Zod glitched items here either. Well on the europe part you can't. I presume it's the same for East and West. IIRC someone got tempbanned for that already. No real ban though.

[Vindi66]

The mods of this site long ago decided its better to kill a good poster than make an exception.

Garbad


The problem is they do make exceptions but only for the people they like. Some can do just about whatever they want and not get banned. Unfortunately the quality of this site has gone down drastically because most of the people that have alot of knowledge about this game have been banned because they got into a arguement with some moron with 3 posts.

So ban the smart people (who have been here years) and the person with 3 posts that would have been gone in a week anyway.

So now what do we get? 10 threads on how to build a hammerdin.

[Rasthear]

sign me up pimp-zeal (*xbiggot1)

[Oversized_D2player]

there is a saying

Never argue with an idiot.
They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Add me please ... *sja50

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Unfortunately the quality of this site has gone down drastically because most of the people that have alot of knowledge about this game have been banned
People said that in like 1998.

Garbad

[Vindi66]

People said that in like 1998.

Garbad


Thats why there is like 3 people left from then.

[mortic]

there is a saying

Never argue with an idiot.
They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



There is a little idiot in each of us, waiting to get out and flex its muscles.

[ROMVS]

There is a little idiot in each of us, waiting to get out and flex its muscles.

Sorry Mortic, I know what you meant but I was also picturing this little idiot creature inside of us trying to get out and flexing its muscles. It's my overactive imagination. :lol:

[Xircon]

Ben got banned cause of the questionable item that might have had a 40/15 in it. I just hope it's a temp ban. Too many good posters have been banned already like Fonis for example.

I agree there.

So, anyone else want to flame the site or a mod and get banned as well? Lets just get this over with here.

[mepersoner]

I agree there.

So, anyone else want to flame the site or a mod and get banned as well? Lets just get this over with here.
Foodpoisoning wasn't banned for his comment in this thread was he?

[NightBlade]

Since diabloii forum banned wvx_leader, Stoutwood, etc, shouldn't you also delete the guides written by them too? I don't think they will want to contribute to this community anymore.

[mepersoner]

Who cares, that's irrelevant, IIRC it's in the contract when you sign up that anything you post is owned by the owners of this site, not you.

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

stoutwood is back? o.o

[DOC]

Yes, Stoutwood only had a 5 day temp ban and should be back by morning. If you are really interested I think if you watch his name closely for the next 3 hours you'll be able to see him become un-banned. :D

[GriffinJns]

Yes, Stoutwood only had a 5 day temp ban and should be back by morning. If you are really interested I think if you watch his name closely for the next 3 hours you'll be able to see him become un-banned. :D

Are the other guys temp-banned or what's the story there?

Since diabloii forum banned wvx_leader, Stoutwood, etc, shouldn't you also delete the guides written by them too? I don't think they will want to contribute to this community anymore.

If they took down all the guides from all the guys who've been banned, there wouldn't be many left.

[mepersoner]

I hope they're only temp-banned, especially food, valuable members of the forums who haven't done anything so extreme as to be perm banned.

[GriffinJns]

I hope they're only temp-banned, especially food, valuable members of the forums who haven't done anything so extreme as to be perm banned.

Indeed. I've been with thse forums for awhile, and they would stand to lose a lot if all of these recent bans were permanent. I'm not a fan of Dracoy myself, but what's done is done. By the way, is that quote from Mark Twain or Lazarus Long? My memory is failing me.

EDIT: Never mind that. It was William Ralph Inge. Time for sleep I guess.

[Flaws]

im trying to break into the temple scene so my account is "flaws who would be contacting me and stuff?...im looking for temple duels at the moment on uswest thx
-flaws

[reddusk5]

I'm down. Accounts on West are *Atomic_Dog, and *Greendawn. Sign me up to join.

[NightBlade]

There will be not much temple action because Stoutwood, foodpoisoning and such are banned.

[ROMVS]

There will be not much temple action because Stoutwood, foodpoisoning and such are banned.

Why would that be the case? They aren't banned from playing on bnet or from using /f list to pass the word around. Anyways, Stoutwood should be back soon.

[-Ferro-]

It looks as the new fashion for veterans is getting banned. It reminds me the time couple years ago when every single vet quit playing since the game was not fun anymore for them, there was a lot of farewell threads and all that bye-bye stuff, very emotive. Could be it happens the same with foums now, +3k posts, a guide at the sticky and a ban, wooot! I´m pro.

We are all slaves of the fashion.

Dont get me wrong, just trying to mock on this sad situation.

fer

[ROMVS]

Not that I'm trying to suck up or anything but please remember that no other forum boasts the largest amount of experience, testing and skills as the people here. If you go to another site that starts with d, you'll find it's sorely lacking. Not everything is perfect but maybe we can all calm down a little and I hope new posters try not to step on people's toes who have built this forum to what it is today... the best pally forum anywhere by far. Harumphhh. Harumphhh. :flip:

[LovelyGods]

why is food baned?

arg it seems that im the only one that didn't get banned yet.

so y not just ban me then?

[-Ferro-]

why is food baned?

arg it seems that im the only one that didn't get banned yet.

so y not just ban me then?

You were banned last day I checked, weren´t ya? :scratch:

Otherwise im messing it up with all this temp bans.

I propose a ban count just below the post count, just to make things more clear.

fer

[LovelyGods]

maybe i was banned, but i couldn't get on for a while, thats probably why.

[-Ferro-]

maybe i was banned, but i couldn't get on for a while, thats probably why.

Whats the point in banning someone when he is not aware himself? (j/k).

Lovely, Im not 100% sure if you were banned, dunno if someone else noticed it at all.

[mortic]

I hope new posters try not to step on people's toes who have built this forum to what it is today...
From the recent banning, it also seems that the veteran posters also have shoes too large for their feet... :bow:

[Mr.B]

Since diabloii forum banned wvx_leader, Stoutwood, etc, shouldn't you also delete the guides written by them too? I don't think they will want to contribute to this community anymore.

there are some great guides written by people who are currently banned. doesnt mean their guides need to be taken away ; just means they cant write another one/respond to their current ones.

[mortic]

...
11 posts and already banned. What did you do? Why are you banned at such a young age?

[excellence]

As you can see one of Pravda's guide is already removed

He isn't banned but......

[Ash Housewares]

I would guess that Mr. B was not as young as he seemed?

a 2 day old posting about banned vets arouses suspicion

[Module88]

I agree there.

So, anyone else want to flame the site or a mod and get banned as well? Lets just get this over with here.

From that Dracoy thread, what did the bannee's do? Most, if not all of the "debate," if you will, was civil. There were no **** you's or such flaming. If you call disagreeing flaming, then ban away. I'm certainly not going to stand for this "disagree with a mod, and you are banned" policy. You can try to say otherwise, but I think it's safe to say every vet here (or every vet that was here anyway) questions the reasons and validity for pretty much every ban you've made here, temp or not. You can tell us mod decisions are final, and it's your site, so be it. But it doesn't justify it, or make it right.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

The fact is you just don't know why they were banned. The mods don't usually make it public knowledge why bans occured. Most of them pm the person why, but since people use fake accts and whatnot, often people just don't know.

We already established some got banned for posting dupes, some were returned bannees (see stratorgy for people complaing about the recent bans), some were banned for simply refusing to let it drop.

I am not saying I agree 100% with xircs bans, as I think he may have overreacted and not known the background, but everyone making this into a dramafest is the problem, not unfair modding or anything else.

Garbad

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

its temporary bans. the good thing is that they are back and we can prosper from thier knowledge and presence. welcome back guys.

[Module88]

The fact is you just don't know why they were banned.

And will never know at this rate.

We already established some got banned for posting dupes, some were returned bannees (see stratorgy for people complaing about the recent bans), some were banned for simply refusing to let it drop.

Fine, post dupes, get banned. Reasonable. Some were returned bannee's, ok, so what? Some were banned for refusing to let it drop? There was no request to drop it, the discussion was fairly civil throughout, and if you take a look at some of the posts of some of the bannee's, you won't find anything recent that warrants ban. And, if anything, ban everyone who refuses to let it drop. Not "certain ones" that you don't like.

but everyone making this into a dramafest is the problem, not unfair modding or anything else.

Garbad

Not unfair? Everyone except the mods seems to think so. Banning for the hell of it is a serious problem here now, and if you call that drama, go right ahead. But when people start getting banned because, well, because, then there is a problem. Most of the bans weren't warranted in any respect, which IS a problem.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

There was no request to drop it, the discussion was fairly civil throughout, and if you take a look at some of the posts of some of the bannee's, you won't find anything recent that warrants ban. And, if anything, ban everyone who refuses to let it drop. Not "certain ones" that you don't like.
No, there was, there have been at least 3. Xirc has said it twice, Elly has said it once. And they are trying to be tolerant and allow people to express opinion.

Xirc didn't ban out of malice, he just didn't know the full situation (imo) and made some (imo) hasty bans. He also tries to look at the situation and ban only from the present offense without considering background and contribution, which although I don't agree with that, i understand it.

Do I think it was a bit overboard? Yes, but I also think its one of those things you just have to live with and realize it was a human mistake made by a volunteer. If you keep pushing, the mods will have no choice but to ban everyone. What else can they do? They can't unban him, they can't make it more fair. We have to just live with it and move on.

Not unfair? Everyone except the mods seems to think so. Banning for the hell of it is a serious problem here now, and if you call that drama, go right ahead. But when people start getting banned because, well, because, then there is a problem. Most of the bans weren't warranted in any respect, which IS a problem.
First, I am not a mod. Second, other people would agree it was ok, they just avoid these threads as a waste of time. (and who can blame them?)

Like I already said, some of the bans had a clear and understandable reason, some I think were an overreaction to a long drawn out argument. If it were me, I would have locked the thread long before and not let it drag out. But we can't change that, the choice was made.

The bans werent for the hell of it, Xirc thought he was enforcing the rules as they stand. I know and respect most of the duelers who got banned, but they will get over it. I was fairly upset when I got banned, but you can get over it. it was only 5 days. At this point, you can hold a grudge and get us all banned or get over it and realize everyone makes mistakes. Not much else to say.

Garbad

[Module88]

No, there was, there have been at least 3. Xirc has said it twice, Elly has said it once. And they are trying to be tolerant and allow people to express opinion.

If that were really true, manuel wouldn't have gotten banned for simply AGREEING with food.

Xirc didn't ban out of malice, he just didn't know the full situation (imo) and made some (imo) hasty bans. He also tries to look at the situation and ban only from the present offense without considering background and contribution, which although I don't agree with that, i understand it.

Are you kidding me? Look at what he said. "Fugitive, getting old, 7 days." He said what, 2-3 posts in one thread, none of which were flames, and got the longest ban.

Do I think it was a bit overboard? Yes, but I also think its one of those things you just have to live with and realize it was a human mistake made by a volunteer. If you keep pushing, the mods will have no choice but to ban everyone. What else can they do? They can't unban him, they can't make it more fair. We have to just live with it and move on.

It feels like the mods did ban everyone. They can make it more fair, look up. What you said wasn't true, ask anyone who saw what food said and manuel after. Look at Fugitivies posts in the Dracoy thread. Living with it, move on, great. But at this rate, it's going to happen in the future.

Like I already said, some of the bans had a clear and understandable reason, some I think were an overreaction to a long drawn out argument. If it were me, I would have locked the thread long before and not let it drag out. But we can't change that, the choice was made.

Yes, that's true. But many more bans had an unclear and uncomprehendable reason.

The bans werent for the hell of it, Xirc thought he was enforcing the rules as they stand. I know and respect most of the duelers who got banned, but they will get over it. I was fairly upset when I got banned, but you can get over it. it was only 5 days. At this point, you can hold a grudge and get us all banned or get over it and realize everyone makes mistakes. Not much else to say.

Garbad

From what he said, it really did sound like he banned for the hell of it. Take a look at Fugitive's posts in that thread, and tell me "ReallFugitive - Getting old 7 days" that is just. Garbad, we're pretty much all banned already, and odds are most of us aren't coming back. Xircon has gone on a banning spree here, banning every single vet save a few just for discussing. Sure, some warranted ban, but many more did not, and that is downright obvious. Since when is agreeing with an opinion a bannable offensive? It's unjust and it's a load of crap, and you know it.

[Xircon]

From that Dracoy thread, what did the bannee's do? Most, if not all of the "debate," if you will, was civil. There were no **** you's or such flaming. If you call disagreeing flaming, then ban away. I'm certainly not going to stand for this "disagree with a mod, and you are banned" policy. You can try to say otherwise, but I think it's safe to say every vet here (or every vet that was here anyway) questions the reasons and validity for pretty much every ban you've made here, temp or not. You can tell us mod decisions are final, and it's your site, so be it. But it doesn't justify it, or make it right.

WHAT, you have to be kidding me? You call that thread a debate? Nearly every post in that thread from Stout was a dig at Dracoy trying to get Dracoy to reply hastely but Dracoy did not. Several others thought it would be cool to jump in as well. The worst posts I deleted in that thread so they are only visable to mods.

I have said this many times before. You are welcome to disagree with me. PM me or chat with me on ICQ/AIM. You should have seen the PM Mr.Glass sent me. That had nothing to do with him being banned. But those kinds of things should not be posted on the board. I am willing to discuss things with people, but thinking you are cool by posting a thread for all to see doees not work.

EDIT: see the post above now so I thought I would comment some more.

I did not ban anyone for agreeing with another person. Every single person who got banned did something to warrant it. Call it a banning streak if you wish, I do. Not my favorite thing to do but if people are going to keep acting like that, then they are going to get banned. If not by me, then by another mod. Who said everyone that was banned was banned by me? I tried to give a few temp bans. But as soon as those were up they decided to add a little more.

Why did fugitive get 7 days? At least Stout was already posting in the thread when Dracoy started. The sole purpose of Fugitive's post was to attack Dracoy. No, that is not right and the site will not tolerate that.

And last, again, general members cannot see all the posts. I have deleted several of them to preserve them for mods to view.

[Module88]

WHAT, you have to be kidding me? You call that thread a debate? Nearly every post in that thread from Stout was a dig at Dracoy trying to get Dracoy to reply hastely but Dracoy did not. Several others thought it would be cool to jump in as well. The worst posts I deleted in that thread so they are only visable to mods.

Argument if you will. But it was by no means uncivil.

Edit: You can call Stout for trying to dig at Dracoy if you want. But it was Dracoy's ridiculously incessant bragging that led to that. If you are going to call Stout for trying to dig at him, then Dracoy is just as guilty for trying to tempt everyone to dig at him. "I'm number one, I have the best gear, etc etc." That's certainly as provocative as Stout was. And don't even try to say Dracoy did not reply. It might not have been hasty, but his posts were an attempt to provoke everyone, again, by continuing to say everyone's the best, "someone with a brain." So what, we don't have brains?

I have said this many times before. You are welcome to disagree with me. PM me or chat with me on ICQ/AIM. You should have seen the PM Mr.Glass sent me. That had nothing to do with him being banned. But those kinds of things should not be posted on the board. I am willing to discuss things with people, but thinking you are cool by posting a thread for all to see doees not work.

I posted what thread? Trying to be cool? Those are close to the statements you banned others for. I find it odd that we can't discuss this very broad issue publicly. It affects the forum. Who's left to help anyone? Everyone's banned. And I can tell you many of us have no intention of returning for any extended stay.

[Xircon]

Argument if you will. But it was by no means uncivil.

Edit: You can call Stout for trying to dig at Dracoy if you want. But it was Dracoy's ridiculously incessant bragging that led to that. If you are going to call Stout for trying to dig at him, then Dracoy is just as guilty for trying to tempt everyone to dig at him. "I'm number one, I have the best gear, etc etc." That's certainly as provocative as Stout was. And don't even try to say Dracoy did not reply. It might not have been hasty, but his posts were an attempt to provoke everyone, again, by continuing to say everyone's the best, "someone with a brain." So what, we don't have brains?



I posted what thread? Trying to be cool? Those are close to the statements you banned others for. I find it odd that we can't discuss this very broad issue publicly. It affects the forum. Who's left to help anyone? Everyone's banned. And I can tell you many of us have no intention of returning for any extended stay.

Figure of speech. In general, I will dicuss reasons why someone may get banned, but I will not dicuss indivduals in paticular. I think I have more than I should have here already. Elly can if she wishes, but I do not feel it is right for me to do so.

Who is left to help anyone? Look around, there is lots of people. I know several people who stay out of the Paly forum because they are afraid to ask any questions in here because what might be said to them. That is not right. Everyone who was banned was banned for a just reason. It is their own fault
evertime.

EDIT: And Module, if I really banned everyone who "disagreed with me", you would not be here but you still are. See, discussing works, flaming does not.

[Module88]

Who is left to help anyone? Look around, there is lots of people. I know several people who stay out of the Paly forum because they are afraid to ask any questions in here because what might be said to them. That is not right. Everyone who was banned was banned for a just reason. It is their own fault evertime.

So long as it's not a "how do joo make l337 hammerdins" or such things, responses are generally polite and informative. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the pally forums is dying, and the bans of pretty much every veteran pally have only increased the rate of that. What isn't right is when mods ban because they feel like doing so, when people agree with an opinion that insults the forum, or when people... talk. Come on, Manuel was banned because he agreed with food, and personally, I think they are right. 10 or so bans a week isn't what I call right either. All in one particular forum, pretty much with the more experienced sect. Odd how that works.

And I would have banned 20 if needed. I think I have said this once already, every ban was justified. I do not ban just because I feel like it. Kind of weird for a dead forum there sure is a lot of new posts in here today.

[final_jojotomotomo]

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I agree. Some of the posts were... questionable as to whether they fall under the category of flaming. Of course, maybe as a whole we arent quite educated enough to fight a cause that may have been deleted to soon to be read. Someone may have said something more nasty than we thought and it coulda been deleted before anyone who would have argued a ban saw it. You have to consider the possiblilties.

Regardless:

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Even if it was stupid, it happened and you accepted an agreement stating that the mods have full control over you and dont need to explain the decisions they make.

The funny thing about questionable posts, is if they werent posted in a negative manner in the first place, there wouldnt be a problem.

The best way to avoid the "banning spree" is to not post negative posts. It's not too hard, and there are still people around that have Sep. 2003 tagged on their name because they can post without flaming or coming close to flaming.

The mods decisions are the mods decisions, and if Xirc kept the questionable posts for the mods/admins overview, the mods/admin could do something about it and confront Xirc on the topic.

It seems to that there wasn't a confrontation and although a group of forum members dont agree including myself, it doesnt really matter. Check out the rules. Its there. The mods decisions are the mods decisions.

If they were made a mod, the admin apparently thought they had the right dicipline to not let their own self-dignity get in the way of their moding choices.

Module, you have full reason to question Xirc and the reason why this thread hasnt been locked and you havent been banned is you went about it in the right manner. Doesnt mean your opinion is going to change a thing, but it does help you understand why maybe the decisions were made. The fun part is Xirc doesnt have to tell you.

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Now that my unwanted opinion was voiced, this is wvx_leader_returns. Please stop questioning my banning personally - ive seen it pop up a few times. A specific trade mod had full right to ban me and I dont blame him. My ban had nothing to do with the Paladin Forum Ban Drama.

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To the mods: You can ban this account - doesnt matter too much - cause I wont be back. I had reason to be banned and wont be back. You can also delete this post if you'd like but hell I wouldnt see why you would...

-wvx :drink:

[Xircon]

Thank WVX, well said. Yes, I was sad to see you go. And yes, I had to ban that account. I did not originally ban you, but since you have been banned before, I cannot leave that account.

[mepersoner]

(see stratorgy for people complaing about the recent bans)
Woah, woah. That was Mr. B aka MrBlonde, and that was only one person. "People" and "bans" should be changed to "person" and "ban".

[Asheron]

okay after all that drama,count me in aswell ,Rees if I'm not already on the first list.

[mortic]

The best way to avoid the "banning spree" is to not post negative posts. It's not too hard, and there are still people around that have Sep. 2003 tagged on their name because they can post without flaming or coming close to flaming.



Negative posts should be tolerated as long as they are informative and civil, just don't attack an individual(s) every chance you have. After all this is not wonderland where only positive "yes maam" posts are allowed. Nevertheless, this forum should not be a place for a wolf pack to jump on every single piece of meat they see.

[Elly]

Negative posts should be tolerated as long as they are informative and civil, just don't attack an individual(s) every chance you have. After all this is not wonderland where only positive "yes maam" posts are allowed. Nevertheless, this forum should not be a place for a wolf pack to jump on every single piece of meat they see.

Couldn't agree more. Well said.

Module88

If you'll excuse me, I'd like to clarify what your complaint is so please be crystal clear with your answers.

Is your complaint that someone was temporarily banned? If so, who.

Is your complaint that someone was permanently banned? If so, who.

Is your complaint that someone wasn't temporarily or permanently banned? If so, who.

Are you suggesting certain members, due to length of membership or amount of DII knowledge, should be able to post outside of the forum rules other members must follow? If so, who and which rules are they exempt from or are you suggestion they are afforded a certain leniency others are not?

I'm just wanting to get an absolutely clear picture here of your complaint. Please bear in mind that 90% of offending posts are soft deleted which means only mods can see them, you or any other member can not see them.

Thanks for your answers.

[Module88]

Is your complaint that someone was temporarily banned? If so, who.

RealFugitive, Mr. Glassock, and Stout.

Is your complaint that someone wasn't temporarily or permanently banned? If so, who.

Dracoy.

Now yes, Stout's posts might have been provocative. But they were just as provocative as Dracoy's. To ban someone for "inciting flaming" and not ban another person in the same thread is odd, don't you think? Stout may have started it, yes, and I'll say he was wrong on that. But btoh Stout and Dracoy kept it going.

But nearly undeniable ones are Real and Glassock. Real was banned the longest out of the Dracoy thread, yet his comments were the fewest and least provocative. Glassock agreed with food about the mods "needing to chill out," and got banned for agreeing. While what food said was certainly banworthy, agreeing with that opinion isn't.

Are you suggesting certain members, due to length of membership or amount of DII knowledge, should be able to post outside of the forum rules other members must follow? If so, who and which rules are they exempt from or are you suggestion they are afforded a certain leniency others are not?

I'm suggesting you ban people that break the rules, not the ones that don't. Stretching flaming to involve agreeing with someone's opinions, be they bad about the site or not, is ridiculous. Banning someone for a week because, well I'm not really sure why he was banned. He just was.

[LovelyGods]

[QUOTE=Xircon] I know several people who stay out of the Paly forum because they are afraid to ask any questions in here because what might be said to them. QUOTE]

im afraid to say anything cuz i could be banned next. :surprise:

and no i dont agree with you banning people,

you arn't even from the pala forums which may not make a difference or not but i dont see any other mods banning people from the pala forum, so far its just you, and maybe elly.

if we had our own mod would they ban people also?? like Mr Glasscock? or Stoutwood Or even Foodpoisoning.

Its hard to say, but to pass judement on someone because they "flamed" or Bypased the Word Censor, is not right.

Dracoy should have been banned as well, he knew he was pressing buttons of other fourm members by posting that sort of non-cence, off topic, bologna about how he is bragging over "i can spend 90 runes on one helm".
that is not needed in the forums. Sure it might not have been called for to flame him but still, would u like to read 30 posts about "LOOK I HAVE UBER GEAR" No, thats not what the forums are about, the yare about helping people solve problems or finding new things that work or dont work.

Even if some people did flame dracoy thats no reason not to ban him.
its like in grade school, if two people got into a fist fight, they both get suspended for 5 days, not just one person, bot do. I think the same should apply to the forums.

If u ask me "some" of the people that got banned (even for a temp ban) shouldn't have.

Baning sombody on trade forums for posting an armor with duped jewels is equally as dumb. That armor im in referece to was Mine originally, i gave it to Wvx to use or sell, the jewel was from 08-09, and who cares if its duped,
98% of all HIgh runes on diablo are Duped. So that means that you should ban people who use Runewords on trade forums as well. Do u ban people who sell 3.20.20;s as well? those are duped too.

this is not a flame twards you or anyone, im mearly stating what i think.

~The_Professor~

[yeeauh]

to quote former members of the pvp forum 2-3 years ago.

RIP PVP FORUM

naw mean

[DOC]

@LovelyGods

I think that you should know by now that you should never be afraid to post something because you will be banned. Mod's never make a choice to ban based on a grudge or a heated arguement. Also when a forum does not have a mod to itself, other mods will step in from time to time to check on the forum to make sure that chaos has not broken out. Just because Xircon is not from the paladin forum does not mean he or any other mod does not have the right to ban or warn or lock when the plain set forum rules are broken. Flaming, spamming and any and all forum rule violations will require action by whoever is passing by the forum at the time. Also are you infering that if you had a mod from the paladin forum itself that he would not have banned people like Stout, Food and Glass?

As for your argument about banning due to trading dupes, it is plainly stated in the rules for all realms that trading 40/15's and 3/20/20's (yes we do ban for 3/20/20's) are not allowed and if caught trying to trade them it is an automatic ban.

@Yeeauh

Do not compare this little hiccup to the PVP forum saga that occured so long ago. This is a few minor temp ban's that are being blown out of proportion. This forum is not dying, not by far. It is still IMO one of the most productive and helpful forum's here. And just because a few of the 'Vets' have been banned does not mean to get all up in arms against anyone in green.

[Pravda]

Also are you infering that if you had a mod from the paladin forum itself that he would not have banned people like Stout, Food and Glass?

If this forum had had a mod, that thread would have most likely have been locked before any serious flaming would have occured. And yes, the mods have different standards. Just look at garbad's first post in this thread when he says he was the most laid back mod when it came to banning. That's very different from xircon's policy of banning (i.e. it doesn't matter if you contribute a lot, or if you are a great source of knowledge. If you break a rule, you're out). I've had friends banned for things other people haven't been banned for (by the same mod too -_-).


This forum is not dying, not by far. It is still IMO one of the most productive and helpful forum's here. And just because a few of the 'Vets' have been banned does not mean to get all up in arms against anyone in green.

This forum has lost a lot of quality when it comes to the pvp aspect of the game. Many people who were/are into pal pvp are gone (banned or quit). I'm sure there still are knowledgeable posters here, but you don't see them very often. I don't know whether this forum is dying or not, but it's definitely not what it used to be.

[yeeauh]

ironically, im eventually going to be banned based on a grudge

[Xircon]

[QUOTE=Xircon] I know several people who stay out of the Paly forum because they are afraid to ask any questions in here because what might be said to them. [QUOTE]

im afraid to say anything cuz i could be banned next. :surprise:

and no i dont agree with you banning people,

What, it is ok to say whatever you wish in here? Cannot be to scared you are jumping into this as well.

you arn't even from the pala forums which may not make a difference or not but i dont see any other mods banning people from the pala forum, so far its just you, and maybe elly.

I must admit, I have banned a lot of people who regulary post in here lately. Everyone of them deservered it.

if we had our own mod would they ban people also?? like Mr Glasscock? or Stoutwood Or even Foodpoisoning.
Actually another mod ICQed me a message with a link to that thread they got banned in. They were going to ban them but I got to it first. So, yes another mod would have and was going to. If we had not, I am sure Elly would have. Bot sure how anyone can defend Mr. Glass for what they said or Food. Funny thing though that Stout PMed me as soon as his temp ban was over and agreed that he deserved it.


Its hard to say, but to pass judement on someone because they "flamed" or Bypased the Word Censor, is not right.
Those are the forum rules written by Elly that you agreed to when you created your account.

Dracoy should have been banned as well, he knew he was pressing buttons of other fourm members by posting that sort of non-cence, off topic, bologna about how he is bragging over "i can spend 90 runes on one helm".
that is not needed in the forums. Sure it might not have been called for to flame him but still, would u like to read 30 posts about "LOOK I HAVE UBER GEAR" No, thats not what the forums are about, the yare about helping people solve problems or finding new things that work or dont work.
Dont like Dracoy, dont read his posts. There is nothing against the rules about bragging.

Even if some people did flame dracoy thats no reason not to ban him.
its like in grade school, if two people got into a fist fight, they both get suspended for 5 days, not just one person, bot do. I think the same should apply to the forums.

If u ask me "some" of the people that got banned (even for a temp ban) shouldn't have.

Baning sombody on trade forums for posting an armor with duped jewels is equally as dumb. That armor im in referece to was Mine originally, i gave it to Wvx to use or sell, the jewel was from 08-09, and who cares if its duped,
98% of all HIgh runes on diablo are Duped. So that means that you should ban people who use Runewords on trade forums as well. Do u ban people who sell 3.20.20;s as well? those are duped too.
We care that it is duped. If you do not like that, then go somewhere else. Those are the rules of this forum. And yes, we ban people who post 32020's as well as 290pdsc's. I can see you have read the rules. Oh and another Mod banned WVX, I did not even know about until a couple days later. Poor chap, I liked him.

I ban to much? Follow the forum rules and you would not have to worry about it.

[Ash Housewares]

the concern over bragging is that it could be construed as trolling, to say how great you are is annoying enough but to say how much better you are than everyone else could be trolling, I never saw the original incident, but it would be good to know that this sort of thing is being looked out for and possibly discouraged for the potential negative responses

[Xircon]

ironically, im eventually going to be banned based on a grudge

No, you are going to get banned because you have been banned before. Once you have been banned you are not allowed to create another account.

the concern over bragging is that it could be construed as trolling, to say how great you are is annoying enough but to say how much better you are than everyone else could be trolling, I never saw the original incident, but it would be good to know that this sort of thing is being looked out for and possibly discouraged for the potential negative responses.

Finally a constructive post. I agree with that, I really do. But what can you do about bragging? What is bragging? It is really hard to define. Just saying your "WW barb will kill most sorc's" could be to some as bragging. It would just be easiest for people to be mature enough to not repond to them. People would go away or move on if people ignored them.

Anyone who responds to it is doing it on there own free will.

[Elly]

RealFugitive, Mr. Glassock, and Stout.

Dracoy.

Now yes, Stout's posts might have been provocative. But they were just as provocative as Dracoy's. To ban someone for "inciting flaming" and not ban another person in the same thread is odd, don't you think? Stout may have started it, yes, and I'll say he was wrong on that. But btoh Stout and Dracoy kept it going.

But nearly undeniable ones are Real and Glassock. Real was banned the longest out of the Dracoy thread, yet his comments were the fewest and least provocative. Glassock agreed with food about the mods "needing to chill out," and got banned for agreeing. While what food said was certainly banworthy, agreeing with that opinion isn't.



I'm suggesting you ban people that break the rules, not the ones that don't. Stretching flaming to involve agreeing with someone's opinions, be they bad about the site or not, is ridiculous. Banning someone for a week because, well I'm not really sure why he was banned. He just was.


You're not being clear. On the one hand you say that you're complaining that RealFugitive, Mr Glassock and Stout were banned and in the next breath that you think Dracoy should be temp banned too because his behaviour was as bad as theirs. Unless you feel Dracoy should have been banned and the others not, even though they were behaving in the same manner, in your judgement?

I'm suggesting you ban people that break the rules, not the ones that don't.

That's correct.


Stretching flaming to involve agreeing with someone's opinions, be they bad about the site or not, is ridiculous.

Yes, I agree with you, that would be completely ridiculous.

[Elly]

[quote]you arn't even from the pala forums which may not make a difference or not but i dont see any other mods banning people from the pala forum, so far its just you, and maybe elly.

No and you won't see anyone else banning because Xircon is helping caretake it with me until we find a suitable 'full time' moderator.

Baning sombody on trade forums for posting an armor with duped jewels is equally as dumb.


Trading of duped items on these forums is a bannable offense. It's fine for you not to care, to think that it's dumb (?) it's not your job to care about any dupe trading on here but it is part of the moderators duties to see it doesn't happen. Especially trade mods. It's not up for debate what we have on our do not trade list. That's decided by all the trade moderators and if you use these forums to trade the onus is on you to be aware of what's on that list.

General comment ....
Of course this forum isn't what it used to be, none of them are, the game isn't, and I'm surprised they all still get the amount of posts they do. It's the way of the world, people fall away and are replaced by every decreasing numbers of new people as the months go on and new games and communities around those games are built. I thought the DII set of forums would have been whittled down to a community and general strategy forum only long ago. Just baffles me.

[Ash Housewares]

Finally a constructive post. I agree with that, I really do. But what can you do about bragging? What is bragging? It is really hard to define. Just saying your "WW barb will kill most sorc's" could be to some as bragging. It would just be easiest for people to be mature enough to not repond to them. People would go away or move on if people ignored them.

Anyone who responds to it is doing it on there own free will.

heh, do you mean finally from me or finally from this thread? :lol:

well I agree, it is always the responsibility of the parties reacting to monitor their own behavior but sometimes inflammatory remarks provoke them, you obviously know what I mean, but of course, something like bragging is, as you say, hard to define as a negative, I was just hoping to discourage those kinds of threads even if talking trash is such a well practiced pastime in the paladin forum it is frequently at risk of getting out of hand

[mepersoner]

You're not being clear. On the one hand you say that you're complaining that RealFugitive, Mr Glassock and Stout were banned and in the next breath that you think Dracoy should be temp banned too because his behaviour was as bad as theirs. Unless you feel Dracoy should have been banned and the others not, even though they were behaving in the same manner, in your judgement?I believe what he's getting at is that the mods were inconsistant and showed favoritism towards Dracoy. Either the paladins in question were shown unfair treatment and banned because the mod was showing favortism towards Dracoy, or if they should've been banned, Dracoy was showed favoritism by not being banned as well.

I believe he thinks the mods should have been more lenient, but if not, at least more consistant in their actions.

Not that I hold this view. The mods can play favorites all they want as long as you, a head admin of the site, are okay with it. If I were an admin I personally wouldn't condone such actions, but that is your choice to make. If you were to ban me I would inquire why, but whether or not I agreed with your reason, I would gladly step away because this is your property and I would come here against your will. One major problem with this is if these forums start to become known for admin who are the soldiers of Hitler (referencing past bannees who had similar complaints, not saying that it's the case) it could hurt the traffic, and the business, of the site.

Of course I'm sure you know all of this, so I'll stop giving tips on how to run a board as you're much more experienced on the subject than I am. These forums are much larger than the playstation forums I modded oh so long ago.

[Elly]

I believe what he's getting at is that the mods were inconsistant and showed favoritism towards Dracoy. Either the paladins in question were shown unfair treatment and banned because the mod was showing favortism towards Dracoy, or if they should've been banned, Dracoy was showed favoritism by not being banned as well.

I believe he thinks the mods should have been more lenient, but if not, at least more consistant in their actions.

Not that I hold this view. The mods can play favorites all they want as long as you, a head admin of the site, are okay with it. If I were an admin I personally wouldn't condone such actions, but that is your choice to make. If you were to ban me I would inquire why, but whether or not I agreed with your reason, I would gladly step away because this is your property and I would come here against your will. One major problem with this is if these forums start to become known for admin who are the soldiers of Hitler (referencing past bannees who had similar complaints, not saying that it's the case) it could hurt the traffic, and the business, of the site.

Of course I'm sure you know all of this, so I'll stop giving tips on how to run a board as you're much more experienced on the subject than I am. These forums are much larger than the playstation forums I modded oh so long ago.


Thanks for trying to clarify his comments but I'm going to wait for his response. However, everything else you mention that should and shouldn't happen on these forums I completely agree with.

[mepersoner]

That was supposed to be a *wouldn't come here* but oh well. :cool:

[Garbad_the_Weak]

I was just hoping to discourage those kinds of threads even if talking trash is such a well practiced pastime in the paladin forum it is frequently at risk of getting out of hand
Agreed.

My first and only advice to Xircon when he started modding the PvP was to not allow threads like this to exist. Nothing good ever comes out of them, and good people get upset and get banned. And don't just say you have to walk away, because great duelers become great by taking any challenge and winning. We can't reward trolling by punishing those who refute it.

I think the point about not having a mod is well taken. I am not sure if anyone reported it before me, but by the time I reported it it had been going on for several pages and several days. By that point it was out of hand. A regular pala forum mod would have seen and handled the thread long before that, which would have saved some bans.

I think the bans were a little extreme, but I think Xircon was just trying to clean the place up. A lot of duelers misunderstand Xirc, he is not a soldiers of Hitler, just not used to the posturing and ego/culture of duelers. Still, I agree with the palas that background/insitigation should have factored into this whole thing.

Plus, a pala forum mod would have known the guys like wnx, stout, etc have a long history of being helpful and knowledgeable and not reacting, while dracoy has a much less, uh, err, charitable reputation. Call it favoritism if you want, but I think a person who has a history of minor and major offenses and who started the fight should be judged more harshly than a long time poster with a history of being calm and helpful. I am not saying they deserve immunity by any means, but they do deserve a careful look to find mitigating factors rather than just stomping on someone and killing a 3 year poster for 1 post.

And I will say sometimes I think people are too quick to perm ban. A lot of the problems of returned bannes would be solved by allowing people to return after 6 months or something on condition of good behavior. They come back anyway, but now they come back with a grudge.

Still, I think the biggest problem is people refusing to let this go. People have gotten emotional and upset and are acting crazy. If the palas let it go for a week, no more bans would happen and everything would go back to normal. The mods have no choice but to enforce the rules, if there was an unfair ban, nothing can change it at this point.

And don't get me started on dupes. I have argued 1342434245X about this. Dupes are banned, they should be banned, and there are reasons why the rules are as they are. Its the product of 6 years of experience and discussion.

Garbad

[Lunatic]

There's 1 thing I don't get about the duped jewels / charms / etc.

People get banned for trading them here (which is a good thing) , but even some guides tell you to get those dupe jewels. That's kinda contradictive to me. Either make sure both things don't happen , or just let it all be good.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

There's 1 thing I don't get about the duped jewels / charms / etc.

People get banned for trading them here (which is a good thing) , but even some guides tell you to get those dupe jewels. That's kinda contradictive to me. Either make sure both things don't happen , or just let it all be good.
People refer to perfect jewels and such in guides for convienience. Its easier to do the math for a 160 ed armor than a 152 or whatever. Plus, duelers like to see what would be the ideal possible setup, not one thats slightly watered down.

Garbad

[Lunatic]

People refer to perfect jewels and such in guides for convienience. Its easier to do the math for a 160 ed armor than a 152 or whatever. Plus, duelers like to see what would be the ideal possible setup, not one thats slightly watered down.

Garbad

That may by true , but to me it still sounds almost stupid. You get banned when trying to trade for dupe jewels , yet some of the guides almost provoke the use of them. Well perhaps provoking isn't the best word , but you get the idea.

When you write down that ed/max | ed/ias | etc jewels will give you the best , people can get their on conclusions wether to use dupe jewels or not.

my opinion is that either allow the use of dupe jewels (which I strongly reject I might add:D) , or don't allow them at all.

[Xircon]

Agreed.

My first and only advice to Xircon when he started modding the PvP was to not allow threads like this to exist. Nothing good ever comes out of them, and good people get upset and get banned. And don't just say you have to walk away, because great duelers become great by taking any challenge and winning. We can't reward trolling by punishing those who refute it.

I think the point about not having a mod is well taken. I am not sure if anyone reported it before me, but by the time I reported it it had been going on for several pages and several days. By that point it was out of hand. A regular pala forum mod would have seen and handled the thread long before that, which would have saved some bans.

I think the bans were a little extreme, but I think Xircon was just trying to clean the place up. A lot of duelers misunderstand Xirc, he is not a soldiers of Hitler, just not used to the posturing and ego/culture of duelers. Still, I agree with the palas that background/insitigation should have factored into this whole thing.

Plus, a pala forum mod would have known the guys like wnx, stout, etc have a long history of being helpful and knowledgeable and not reacting, while dracoy has a much less, uh, err, charitable reputation. Call it favoritism if you want, but I think a person who has a history of minor and major offenses and who started the fight should be judged more harshly than a long time poster with a history of being calm and helpful. I am not saying they deserve immunity by any means, but they do deserve a careful look to find mitigating factors rather than just stomping on someone and killing a 3 year poster for 1 post.

And I will say sometimes I think people are too quick to perm ban. A lot of the problems of returned bannes would be solved by allowing people to return after 6 months or something on condition of good behavior. They come back anyway, but now they come back with a grudge.

Still, I think the biggest problem is people refusing to let this go. People have gotten emotional and upset and are acting crazy. If the palas let it go for a week, no more bans would happen and everything would go back to normal. The mods have no choice but to enforce the rules, if there was an unfair ban, nothing can change it at this point.

And don't get me started on dupes. I have argued 1342434245X about this. Dupes are banned, they should be banned, and there are reasons why the rules are as they are. Its the product of 6 years of experience and discussion.

Garbad

Ok here we go, my philosphy for banning. Post count does matter. If someone has 3500 posts and posts a banned item for trade, they are going to get banned. They have been a member long enough they should know the rules. If the item was in the middle of a 75 item trade list, they are likely to only get a warning the first time and second time get banned.

If someon has a post count of 1 anf flames, they will get banned. Most likely they only created the account to make the neagtive comment. MOst commonly there will be a 3-day ban for standard flames. This will go up for multiple comments. Like I can understand that you blow up at something then you count to 10 and think maybe I should not have done that. Carrying it on for several hours you are goiing to get 5 or 7 days.

If an argument is happening between 2 members and you jump into it, you are going to get more. I feel these are the worst.

Going on that, lets look at this thread
http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=258209 (the thread)

The thread starts off great. Even when in post #5 Dracoy gets brought into it. Post #14 Dracoy comes in and defends himself. Very clean post. Post, or was 16 until I deleted it, was from liqu1d_g0at. It was in the lines of telling Dracoy to go do things not so nice. Dracoy replied to this very well. Module jumps in on post 20. That post was pushing it, but if Dracoy is going to brag he has to be williing to take a little heat.

Post 25 Dracoy replies. Once again a very clean post. I have heard a lot of complaints about this post. He payed a lot for a helm. I will admit, I am jealous that he has the ability to pay 81 runes for a helm. I maybe worth 200 runes on West (after character deletion) and maybe 7 runes on East. I know I am pretty poor on the realms. Dracoy goes on to brag that he is the number one BvB dueler on east but welcomes anyone to duel him. That is repectful.

When goo dposts go bad. Stout mentions the cookie cutter build again post #34. If it stopped there, I would have been fine. But it did not. Dracoy defends himself again and in no way is it out of order. Stout throws another comment about Dracoys bragging out. Eyeswithoutaface makes a post which I deleted. Pretty bad.

Stout goes on (#43) to list several of Dracoys posts about his bragging.

Post #49 by fugitive. Not needed. Total flame. Post #52 by Stout, Dracoy was not tallking to you but you through that in. Flame/trolling. Post #53 Dracoy ask just that as any reasonable person might. Post #54 by dimisnished soul. Was not his argument to jump into. Besides that, he got bumped on his comments alone. Bypassing the word filter.

Post #56 Stout asks some good questions. But none of those things are against the forum rules. Number 3 I really agree with, but as I already said.

Now you guys bring Garbad into it. Hands down, Garbad is a good dueler and I am sure many of you agree with that. Garbad also dicusses his sucess and builds. Some may even call it bragging. Why are none of you attacking him for it?

Post #60 by Dracoy. Now I would agree that this may not have been the best way to respond, but after you have 5+ people trying to insult you, I think he handled it well.

Post #62, Acres has to post. But aome of what he says is warranted. I agree that I should have temp banned him as well for some of the comments.

Post #65 by LovelyGods. I am not even going to comment on this one. Acres even replies to it.

Remember, many of us play this game basically all the time. I maybe play 4 or 5 hours a week now these days, but I used to play 50+ hours a week. Do that for even 2 years much less 3 or 4 and you will aguire some wealth. That is not bragging, that is a fact. Or you can get luckly. I found a 299ed with 7% mana leech CCS (CCS of the vampire) just around the time they started becoming big. God I made so much off that.

And that is why each of those people got banned and Dracoy did not.

[Stoutwood]

The bragging didn't get to me nearly as much as accusations of being poor and "newb". I believe that counts as trolling by anyone's standards.

EDIT: And yes, I did deserve to be banned.

[ROMVS]

Xircon, I remember a time when there was an argument between the Single Player and the Pally forum. That became really heated. In this case, it wasn't forum vs forum but rather a single poster (Dracoy), who normally doesn't post in these forums, who posted that he is the number one barb and that he is rich. Whichever forum you go, that will draw lots of posts (maybe flames) especially from duelers. I believe that posting an arguable claim and idle boast about another type of character in the paladin forum was simply not to the best judgement and normally such posts in the past would have been closed with the original poster being warned on the side. What pallys here are feeling is that an outsider is being favored over experienced pallys who in my experience with them normally don't behave in such fashion unless they are provoked. :scratch:

[Xircon]

Xircon, I remember a time when there was an argument between the Single Player and the Pally forum. That became really heated. In this case, it wasn't forum vs forum but rather a single poster (Dracoy), who normally doesn't post in these forums, who posted that he is the number one barb and that he is rich. Whichever forum you go, that will draw lots of posts (maybe flames) especially from duelers. I believe that posting an arguable claim and idle boast about another type of character in the paladin forum was simply not to the best judgement and normally such posts in the past would have been closed with the original poster being warned on the side. What pallys here are feeling is that an outsider is being favored over experienced pallys who in my experience with them normally don't behave in such fashion unless they are provoked. :scratch:

Maybe it will draw flames, and those who do will get warned or banned. Simple bragging is not against the rules. If you do not like Dracoy's bragging, do not read his posts. Do not reply to his posts. Ignore him as if he does not exist. Yes, to preserve the integrety of the forum many of these posts do get closed. This one did not.

Outsider? Anyone is welcome to post anywhere on this site. And provoked. Read that thread. The only provoking was done by paly forum regulars. Glass and Food went as far as creating a new thread to provoke things further.

Stout, sorry if you feel newb and poor was flaming. I wish I could add noob to the word filter and I would if I could. I do find it ironic that you were bothered that Dracoy called you a noob and poor, but others were calling him a scammer, thief, lier, and whatever else and thought it was ok.

[Ash Housewares]

Dracoy does have a reputation as a bragger, alot of us know that, but he was rather unfairly singled out and attacked in that thread, reminded me of Gohan. Now Dracoy handled himself better, granted he didn't take the ridiculous amount of abuse that Gohan did, and what in that thread was supposed to warrant banning Dracoy? talked some trash at stout, spamming about WW in a zealot thread? I would have to say that since he instigated nothing and only arrived to defend himself that his reactions are reasonable, since he is not the instigator it does not seem possible to construe his actions as trolling and I have to agree with the moderators decisions and not with module, who I see also flamed dracoy in the thread in question

[mepersoner]

Garbad is flamed for being a braggart all the time, where have you been? :P

[Stoutwood]

Stout, sorry if you feel newb and poor was flaming. I wish I could add noob to the word filter and I would if I could. I do find it ironic that you were bothered that Dracoy called you a noob and poor, but others were calling him a scammer, thief, lier, and whatever else and thought it was ok.

Don't make hasty generalizations Xirc. Those comments were made by people I had also never seen, and since I did not know whether they were true or not, I suspended judgement. My comments were all in the category of "We are not impressed with your wealth or your bragging, get out of here." Some of the ways I phrased this were less tactful than others, hence why I deserved to be banned.

[Xircon]

Don't make hasty generalizations Xirc. Those comments were made by people I had also never seen, and since I did not know whether they were true or not, I suspended judgement. My comments were all in the category of "We are not impressed with your wealth or your bragging, get out of here." Some of the ways I phrased this were less tactful than others, hence why I deserved to be banned.

My apologies Stout, did not mean it that way. I was just comparing the two things. I know you are not familiar with some of those other people. I was not trying to imply you send anything like that and you definately did not.

[excellence]

Some of the RPG mods always show favoritism in banning people in the past. Some even ban out of revenge.

Don't need to mention names here...you know who you are.

It kinda remind me of something in real life, when the big boss of a company is always friendly and easy-going but the managers are always ready to fire the staffs...

Same with some of the mods, when they were elevated from normal poster to forum mod, they feel so special about themselves and get on this urge to show their new-found power.

If this post is going to get deleted by some of the little mods I don't even know what to say. Since, Elly, aka your Biggie Boss, already stated in previous post that Negative comment, when not destructive at all, is tolerated.

I have no grudge when someone who paid and work hard for this forum ban me. Just not someone...you know who and what.

[Ash Housewares]

Some of the RPG mods always show favoritism in banning people in the past. Some even ban out of revenge.

Don't need to mention names here...you know who you are.

It kinda remind me of something in real life, when the big boss of a company is always friendly and easy-going but the managers are always ready to fire the staffs...

Same with some of the mods, when they were elevated from normal poster to forum mod, they feel so special about themselves and get on this urge to show their new-found power.

If this post is going to get deleted by some of the little mods I don't even know what to say. Since, Elly, aka your Biggie Boss, already stated in previous post that Negative comment, when not destructive at all, is tolerated.

I have no grudge when someone who paid and work hard for this forum ban me. Just not someone...you know who and what.

if they were going to delete the thread or ban you they would have already, knock off the martyr crap, if you want to leave then leave, you're a broken record and you're getting on my nerves, so please stop harassing the mods and let them work without being a malcontent, I would appreciate and I'm sure others would as well

[excellence]

if they were going to delete the thread or ban you they would have already, knock off the martyr crap, if you want to leave then leave, you're a broken record and you're getting on my nerves, so please stop harassing the mods and let them work without being a malcontent, I would appreciate and I'm sure others would as well


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[Xircon]

Some of the RPG mods always show favoritism in banning people in the past. Some even ban out of revenge.

Don't need to mention names here...you know who you are.

It kinda remind me of something in real life, when the big boss of a company is always friendly and easy-going but the managers are always ready to fire the staffs...

Same with some of the mods, when they were elevated from normal poster to forum mod, they feel so special about themselves and get on this urge to show their new-found power.

If this post is going to get deleted by some of the little mods I don't even know what to say. Since, Elly, aka your Biggie Boss, already stated in previous post that Negative comment, when not destructive at all, is tolerated.

I have no grudge when someone who paid and work hard for this forum ban me. Just not someone...you know who and what.

Not one post in this thread has pissed me off until this one. BULL, that is all I am going to say.

And -Epic (excellence) once you have been banned, you are banned and not welcome to create a new account. You might have gotten away with if you had not made that post but saying that made it obvious you were a returned bannee. Not sure who you were referring to by the comment. Suryl was the one who banned you before but she is not with us anymore. Kind of a harsh thing to say about a sweet Lady she is.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

knock off the martyr crap, if you want to leave then leave, you're a broken record and you're getting on my nerves, so please stop harassing the mods and let them work without being a malcontent, I would appreciate and I'm sure others would as well
O_O

15k posts and still going.

Garbad

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

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From what read in the sout vrs. dracoy thread, the people that got banned deserved it. dont agree? well sout agreed himself. niether did he complain that dracoy wasn't banned. which is nice because he did not break any rules.

i dont think normal posters that got elevated to mod position are mad with power. look at silent assasin. look at hal. look at garbald (actually he went down O_o) Xircon has been a mod for quite some time now. no hes not mad with power either. i dont know where you got this idea that they abuse thier "newfound" powers because they dont.

anyways its not like they get pleasure from banning vets. the forum all together dies a little when something like that happens.

[Module88]

You're not being clear. On the one hand you say that you're complaining that RealFugitive, Mr Glassock and Stout were banned and in the next breath that you think Dracoy should be temp banned too because his behaviour was as bad as theirs. Unless you feel Dracoy should have been banned and the others not, even though they were behaving in the same manner, in your judgement?

No, Real and Glassock were separate cases. While Stout's ban is certainly arguable for both sides, you can't just ban stout for doing one thing, and not ban someone else for doing the same thing. It's either they both get banned or don't get banned.

Yes, I agree with you, that would be completely ridiculous.

As I understand it, food said something bad about the site, which I agree deserves a ban. But Glassock agreed and said the mods needed to chill out, and he got banned. ?

Post #49 by fugitive. Not needed. Total flame. Post #52 by Stout, Dracoy was not tallking to you but you through that in. Flame/trolling. Post #53 Dracoy ask just that as any reasonable person might. Post #54 by dimisnished soul. Was not his argument to jump into. Besides that, he got bumped on his comments alone. Bypassing the word filter.

Total flame? How so. The *shrug* indicates coolness, (as in relaxed, chill). If you are going to say what little he said was "not needed," then take a look at Dracoy's ridiculously long post to single line comments. How is that needed?

Now you guys bring Garbad into it. Hands down, Garbad is a good dueler and I am sure many of you agree with that. Garbad also dicusses his sucess and builds. Some may even call it bragging. Why are none of you attacking him for it?

Well, you almost answered your own question. "Some may even call it bragging." The answer is very simple. What Garbad was doing was comparing builds to dracoy. He wasn't bragging about his build. As he put it "What I was asking was how common are bvbers?" and "I have been considering making a BvB barb but didn't think anyone bvbed much. I already can beat most of the top tweaker or bvc barbs on west, where do you find barbs for bvb?" He certainly wasn't bragging about spending 81+runes on a single helm, over, and over, and over again.

Stout, sorry if you feel newb and poor was flaming. I wish I could add noob to the word filter and I would if I could. I do find it ironic that you were bothered that Dracoy called you a noob and poor, but others were calling him a scammer, thief, lier, and whatever else and thought it was ok.

No, it's not ok. But then, neither is banning someone for trolling, and not banning someone else for the exact same offense (provocation, or as you call it, trolling).

I would have to say that since he instigated nothing and only arrived to defend himself that his reactions are reasonable, since he is not the instigator it does not seem possible to construe his actions as trolling and I have to agree with the moderators decisions and not with module, who I see also flamed dracoy in the thread in question

Not quite. He didn't instigate FIRST. But after he got involved, it went down the hole. Again, stout may have started it, but both of them kept it going. This wasn't a "ha, my l337 sword pwns you O_O" kind of situation. It was bragging in an attempt to provoke, consistently. What I said was the truth, and not a thing more. If you are going to tell me that the many things dracoy said weren't bragging, then you might want to rethink your argument.

From what read in the sout vrs. dracoy thread, the people that got banned deserved it. dont agree? well sout agreed himself. niether did he complain that dracoy wasn't banned. which is nice because he did not break any rules.

Stout's case can work both sides. But I can't see how the other ones can. Using one example of a ban to justify every ban in a thread carries no weight. They did different things, and I'm not really sure how some of the things were said could be construed as banworthy. Food deserved to be banned for what he said. I'm his friend, and I agree with his ban. I show little if any bias if you didn't get that. But agreeing with what he said, bad or good, should not be a bannable offense. I might be missing some of the story with that one, as I don't think that both Glassock and Food created separate threads (they might have), but Fugitive certainly didn't deserve to be banned- the longest period of time especially, for the smallest offense.

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

the thread has been long dead now so i forgot about what fugitive said. mostly all i remember is the "discussion" between stout and dracoy. i know neither of them so i am not bias in anyway from what isaid above (im not accusing you from calling me bias)

anyways whats done is done. we all learn from our mistakes (at least some of us :bow: ) lets just forget about whats already done. and next time something comes up just pm it to the mod instead of blowing it up and letting everyone seeing. if the bannees and dracoy would have settled it in a more private manner with a mod to watch over the discussion it would never have turned out this dramatic. wvx and others wouldnt have been lost. Mods are here for other reasons besides smackin people with the bann stick you know :P

now lets talk about the up coming ch vrs temple tourney...... :)

[LovelyGods]

I think some of you need a better reasons to make a new rule, about baning, up then just , "he started it"

if u want both parties of a particualr argument turned wrong to be baned, then there has to be something else to go on. Like somebody said before, a past history of "flames" or something... But again, thats nearly impossible to keep track of.

~~~~Flash Back~~~
remember in grade school, if Frank and Joe got into a fight, Joe started it with the first swing, Both people got that mandatory 5 day suspension. Even if Frank really didn't want to fight anyone.

do you really think that after those 5 days are up, they will make up and not dislike each other? i think there will still be a grudge brewing someplace.

anyways the point im trying to make is that, mabye a ban isn't always the best option, a person wont change their opinions (at least not very easily) if they feel they have been cheated or wrongdoing done to them.

although since i really didn't have any part to do in that Dracoy stoutwood thread, i probably shouldn't be talking about things i know not about.

[Lunatic]

I can't believe this is still going on. People got banned , live with it.

[-Ferro-]

And goes and goes...

Its a well known fact pala forums are dying day after day for several reasons...some of them we cant do anything to change, its nobody´s fault (on this forums, we always can blame blizzard for it) paladins have become very popular (read cookie-cutter); the old days when the trutly pala lovers were used to die a lot in publics duels are gone forever, we cannot blame newcomers for asking for a build to whipe an entire duel room; we do have to live with it.

On the other hand, the lack of a moderator is not helping neither. I am sure if there was a pala mod (at least this is my opppinion) this wouldnt have happened. After reading that thread I understand both sides, Im not to take part in none of them since doesnt matter at all now, but one thing is for sure: In this case, the bans never should have happened. Im not saying some people didnt deserve be banned for their behavior, I say things never should have got to that point. Such a long thread full with "negative" posts shouldnt have been allowed to grow up. Within the 5 firsts post all we know that was going to became a flamewar. What im trying to point out is that banning people is not the only occupation of the mods, that thread should have been locked as the first mod took part. The forums I use to post in, druid from time to time and ETF (not much in pala by now...), are good examples of it. Garbard and Frygia are, IMO, very good doing that, locking any thread that smells "fishy". This prevent of many stupid bans as the ones we are talking about and contribute to keep things pacefull. I know being mod is not easy and its a volunteer occupation, you are all doing a good job, but I think this time you werent at you finest. The kids deserved some punishment, but you shouldn´t allow them to play with...fire.

-Gimmy a pala mod- ;)

fer

[Xircon]

No, Real and Glassock were separate cases. While Stout's ban is certainly arguable for both sides, you can't just ban stout for doing one thing, and not ban someone else for doing the same thing. It's either they both get banned or don't get banned.



As I understand it, food said something bad about the site, which I agree deserves a ban. But Glassock agreed and said the mods needed to chill out, and he got banned. ?



Total flame? How so. The *shrug* indicates coolness, (as in relaxed, chill). If you are going to say what little he said was "not needed," then take a look at Dracoy's ridiculously long post to single line comments. How is that needed?



Well, you almost answered your own question. "Some may even call it bragging." The answer is very simple. What Garbad was doing was comparing builds to dracoy. He wasn't bragging about his build. As he put it "What I was asking was how common are bvbers?" and "I have been considering making a BvB barb but didn't think anyone bvbed much. I already can beat most of the top tweaker or bvc barbs on west, where do you find barbs for bvb?" He certainly wasn't bragging about spending 81+runes on a single helm, over, and over, and over again.



No, it's not ok. But then, neither is banning someone for trolling, and not banning someone else for the exact same offense (provocation, or as you call it, trolling).



Not quite. He didn't instigate FIRST. But after he got involved, it went down the hole. Again, stout may have started it, but both of them kept it going. This wasn't a "ha, my l337 sword pwns you O_O" kind of situation. It was bragging in an attempt to provoke, consistently. What I said was the truth, and not a thing more. If you are going to tell me that the many things dracoy said weren't bragging, then you might want to rethink your argument.



Stout's case can work both sides. But I can't see how the other ones can. Using one example of a ban to justify every ban in a thread carries no weight. They did different things, and I'm not really sure how some of the things were said could be construed as banworthy. Food deserved to be banned for what he said. I'm his friend, and I agree with his ban. I show little if any bias if you didn't get that. But agreeing with what he said, bad or good, should not be a bannable offense. I might be missing some of the story with that one, as I don't think that both Glassock and Food created separate threads (they might have), but Fugitive certainly didn't deserve to be banned- the longest period of time especially, for the smallest offense.

How are they different cases? It may not have been the same thread, but it was because of the same issue. Glass got banned for several reasons. That thread was just the final post that pushed me to ban him.

Yes, Garbad in that thread was not bragging. It appeared he was trying to get the thread back on track where it should have been and I commend him for that. But why don't you search through some of Garbads posts. "I have 1000's of runes" came from him just a few months ago. Nothing wrong with that. If I was that godly of a dueler or that wealthy I would brag a little as well. But the difference between Garbad, Dracoy, and wealthy people on B-net, both of them give a lot of stuff away. Sometimes they just give it away some times they hold a small tourny for people to earn it. Either way, it is great they do that. I have the upmost respect for both of them because they do that and they do not keep the greed to themselves.


I think some of you need a better reasons to make a new rule, about baning, up then just , "he started it"

if u want both parties of a particualr argument turned wrong to be baned, then there has to be something else to go on. Like somebody said before, a past history of "flames" or something... But again, thats nearly impossible to keep track of.

~~~~Flash Back~~~
remember in grade school, if Frank and Joe got into a fight, Joe started it with the first swing, Both people got that mandatory 5 day suspension. Even if Frank really didn't want to fight anyone.

This is not grade school and time to move on past those ages. In the adult work, it does matter. I will compare it to your story here. Frank walks down the street and Joe hits him, Joe is arrested and goes to jail. It goes to court, the evidence is shown, and Joe goe to jail. The evidence is pretty clear. Stout make the first comment directed at Dracoy. Dracoy handled himself very well.

I do not care if they like each other or not, they better keep it civil between each other or more people will be banned.

-Ferro-, I agree the Paly forum needs a mod. Maybe if there was a Mod this would not have happened. I do commonly spend a lot of time reading this forum. I almost exclussively play Paly's so naturally I spend a lot of time in here almost as longs as I have been a mod in the forums.

But people also should be able to think about there post before they make it. If that had happened, this would not have happaned either.

[Ash Housewares]

so you guys want a paly mod that is always here and fixes everything immediately because he never leaves, you realize you're asking for ME don't you?

there, that oughta shut ya up for awhile

[Lunatic]

so you guys want a paly mod that is always here and fixes everything immediately because he never leaves, you realize you're asking for ME don't you?

there, that oughta shut ya up for awhile

--> IF <-- you ever get a mod then it'll be spamheaven here. :D

[Module88]

How are they different cases? It may not have been the same thread, but it was because of the same issue. Glass got banned for several reasons. That thread was just the final post that pushed me to ban him.

What he did in that thread, IIRC, was agree with food and say that the mods needed to chill out. Now, if what you guys say is true, and agreeing is not a bannable offense (or logical one at least), then that wouldn't have been counted against him. The cases are different because the offenses are different. They all go under "flaming," at least in your eyes, but as you said, they were banned for different reasons (you outlined why they were banned, though some cases made no sense whatsoever, IE. Fugitive banned the longest for the least offensive remarks). Ash also mentioned that I flamed Dracoy. All I said was, short and sweet, he was bragging, and he couldn't back up that claim.

If that is flame, then a good chunk of people here should be banned. As I recall, Zword/Azn was called a scammar, liar, and many other things. But they weren't banned for flaming. The reason probably lies in the fact that, well, it was true.

"I have 1000's of runes" came from him just a few months ago. Nothing wrong with that. If I was that godly of a dueler or that wealthy I would brag a little as well. But the difference between Garbad, Dracoy, and wealthy people on B-net, both of them give a lot of stuff away. Sometimes they just give it away some times they hold a small tourny for people to earn it. Either way, it is great they do that. I have the upmost respect for both of them because they do that and they do not keep the greed to themselves.

Well, I'm not exactly going to look back "a few months" to try to find a post, but I certainly doubt Garbad was attempting to incite flame as Dracoy was. But if he was in the same manner as dracoy (repetitively in an attempt to incite flame), then he deserves to be banned as well. But if it's been several months and you haven't banned him, then he won't be. So why was Stout banned, for basically, "inciting flame"? See, it has to work both ways. Either you ban everyone for inciting flame, or you ban no one. You also said that "you could just ignore Dracoy's posts" and that sort. Well, then, wouldn't it work both ways? Dracoy could have ignored Stout, and Stout would have been banned. But that wasn't the case, was it?

[Xircon]

What he did in that thread, IIRC, was agree with food and say that the mods needed to chill out. Now, if what you guys say is true, and agreeing is not a bannable offense (or logical one at least), then that wouldn't have been counted against him. The cases are different because the offenses are different. They all go under "flaming," at least in your eyes, but as you said, they were banned for different reasons (you outlined why they were banned, though some cases made no sense whatsoever, IE. Fugitive banned the longest for the least offensive remarks). Ash also mentioned that I flamed Dracoy. All I said was, short and sweet, he was bragging, and he couldn't back up that claim.

If that is flame, then a good chunk of people here should be banned. As I recall, Zword/Azn was called a scammar, liar, and many other things. But they weren't banned for flaming. The reason probably lies in the fact that, well, it was true.



Well, I'm not exactly going to look back "a few months" to try to find a post, but I certainly doubt Garbad was attempting to incite flame as Dracoy was. But if he was in the same manner as dracoy (repetitively in an attempt to incite flame), then he deserves to be banned as well. But if it's been several months and you haven't banned him, then he won't be. So why was Stout banned, for basically, "inciting flame"? See, it has to work both ways. Either you ban everyone for inciting flame, or you ban no one. You also said that "you could just ignore Dracoy's posts" and that sort. Well, then, wouldn't it work both ways? Dracoy could have ignored Stout, and Stout would have been banned. But that wasn't the case, was it?

Oh god, there is no getting through to you. I have to repeat myself, yet again. I was very clear to say Stout's first comments were ok. That quickly changed.

I will say this again as well. I did not ban Glass solely on that one post. I banned him for his own comments and his own comments only.

Before you bother posting again, go back and read that thread. Go back and read this whole thread because I am pretty much just repeating myself.

[ROMVS]

Oh god, there is no getting through to you. I have to repeat myself, yet again. I was very clear to say Stout's first comments were ok. That quickly changed.

I will say this again as well. I did not ban Glass solely on that one post. I banned him for his own comments and his own comments only.

Before you bother posting again, go back and read that thread. Go back and read this whole thread because I am pretty much just repeating myself.

Xirc, one thing about this thread that might be useful, you are starting to get familiar with all of us. For better or for worse? :lol:

[Stoutwood]

Xirc, one thing about this thread that might be useful, you are starting to get familiar with all of us. For better or for worse? :lol:

This was a useful thread before it got hijacked :cheesy: .

[ROMVS]

This was a useful thread before it got hijacked :cheesy: .

Well, if someone wants an east based one, I'm there. *ROMVS :howdy:

[mepersoner]

I remember when the druid forum had a call for a moderator.

...we got Garbad.

[-Ferro-]

I remember when the druid forum had a call for a moderator.

...we got Garbad.

...because you didn´t want to do the job yourself...so dont whine now (j/k)

As Stout says, this was a usefull thread. But it´s kinda weird seeing how in the Pala Illustrious List people get banned as they post, like if they were cursed :evil:

[mepersoner]

Actually, they never offered it to me. They offered Unchosen, Baranor, FenrisWulf, and none of them wanted the job, so they asked Garbad. Odd choice, especially considering the time, Garbad wasn't well known and rarely posted at that point.

[Ash Housewares]

I remember when the druid forum had a call for a moderator.

...we got Garbad.

atleast it could be worse than getting me :lol:

and I wouldn't wish it upon Xircon, to moderate the pvp and paladin forum? I would wish this upon no man


I had a dream I was moderator of the pvp forum *shudder*

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

xirc has a lot of patience to deal with the pvp forums alone (though it has been dead lately)
ash though i dont know you personally id say that your 15k post should get you at least SOMETHING.. goodness... someone throw him a rune or two :lol:

[-Ferro-]

Actually, they never offered it to me. They offered Unchosen, Baranor, FenrisWulf, and none of them wanted the job, so they asked Garbad. Odd choice, especially considering the time, Garbad wasn't well known and rarely posted at that point.

There is a vacancy in Druid forums now, could be finally you will have your chance? (Btw, why did Garbard gave up modding? personal stuff? Riot on board? plz tell me, I do love to know all that kind of stuff, me va el morbo).

I dont know Ash personally neither. In fact I dont know anyone personally here (assuming by personally you mean "online"). All my old buddies from forums quit long time ago. Anyway it would be nice if someone make a poll for a new mod in pala forum. So we can forget this thread and start spamming somewhere else. I wont do it myself since I only post here from time to time, dont know all people well.

[Ash Housewares]

if you wanted to know me personally :wink2: :wink2:
you can always IM me

garbad quit because he was afraid of having to use a pro-assassin avatar and reciprocate Nali's gesture

so I assume, either that or there is a legitimate reason as opposed to my make believe one

[-Ferro-]

garbad quit because he was afraid of having to use a pro-assassin avatar and reciprocate Nali's gesture

so I assume, either that or there is a legitimate reason as opposed to my make believe one

Not very clear for someone applying for pala mod ;)

[mepersoner]

Haha, no. I wouldn't see being a moderator as a "chance" so much as more work to do with my already overbearing school and work workload. I read the druid and paladin forum regularly, but I don't post nearly as much as I once did. Plus being a moderator I'd have to actually show self-control, which just isn't nearly as much fun. Trust me, I know, I did it for a monster rancher board back in the day. I almost completely stopped posting at that board, only posted to answer an occassional question and "moved to here for this reason, locked for this reason" etc. Modding is like babysitting without being able to reach over and smack the kid - luckily the old duct tape over the mouth still works.

I think Garbad finally stepped down as mod because he causes a lot of drama, but he still retains some of his moderating power for CH and a little control when needed. I don't really remember the whole story of what happened, or any of it. ;)

[Ash Housewares]

Not very clear for someone applying for pala mod ;)

who's applying for what now?

I basically feel about the same way as mep says he does right there, it's alot of work, except that I have nothing else to do, I'd rather not, in theory I could, and I do feel it a bit wasteful with the amount of time I spend here to not be more helpful but I would never say that I am applying for anything, something like mep said, it would be less fun for me to have to stop being a jerk :uhhuh:

[-Ferro-]

Yupp, I know you are not applying, it was an small joke from me (but you never know...).

The truth is being mod its a drag (if you are a mod, dont read this plz, gogo doing the good job). I fully agree with what mep and ash say, I dont see it funny at all. Could be if someone give some runes from time to time it would be more interesting, but that wont happen in a near future...

How many forums are lacking of moderator atm? I think that job is underated for many of us. I.e., on this thread, I´m sure Xirc is much more upset and dissapointed than the regular posters...It would be sad if one day there are no mods at all. Guess what will happen.

[Ash Housewares]

Yupp, I know you are not applying, it was an small joke from me (but you never know...).

The truth is being mod its a drag (if you are a mod, dont read this plz, gogo doing the good job). I fully agree with what mep and ash say, I dont see it funny at all. Could be if someone give some runes from time to time it would be more interesting, but that wont happen in a near future...

How many forums are lacking of moderator atm? I think that job is underated for many of us. I.e., on this thread, I´m sure Xirc is much more upset and dissapointed than the regular posters...It would be sad if one day there are no mods at all. Guess what will happen.

oh believe me, I feel the need (the need for speed?) for moderators, and I'd rather bite the bullet so to speak than not have moderators, if only so they don't select someone that means well but doesn't have the time to do it, where as I know I've few other commitments

[Module88]

Edited: DP

[Module88]

Oh god, there is no getting through to you. I have to repeat myself, yet again. I was very clear to say Stout's first comments were ok. That quickly changed.

Uh, got that.

I will say this again as well. I did not ban Glass solely on that one post. I banned him for his own comments and his own comments only.

But you don't seem to be getting me. You said that post was the final straw that led you to ban him. But it shouldn't have been. It didn't break any rule, yet you used it to justify the ban. Yes, you said he was banned for his comments earlier, BUT, you also said he was finally banned after that post apparently ticked you off. If that weren't the case, then you would have banned him not in that thread, but in the thread that you thought he broke the rules in. Explain to me how "that thread was just the final post that pushed me to ban him" when that final post was in no way a violation of the rules?

Before you bother posting again, go back and read that thread. Go back and read this whole thread because I am pretty much just repeating myself.

It's not me that doesn't get it, it's you. You justifed Glass's banning because of that post, AND posts previously made. But if that post did not break the rules, how could you have used it to justify his ban? You didn't justify anything else as far as I'm concerned, and while you aren't obligated to, some of your bans seem based on bias more than it does on breaking the rules.

[Ethereal.Grizzly]

you know what? a nice big fat lock would look nice on this thread.. :thumbsup:

it would be better for module and xirc to settle this privately since most of us are over it already. (no offense xirc or modu.)

[Ash Housewares]

I think xircon wants to be done with it, thats just the impression I get :uhhuh:

a new thread could always be made some time down the line to try and accomplish what this thread originally intended to do, since it is obvious this thread will never get back to it's topic

[Module88]

I think xircon wants to be done with it, thats just the impression I get :uhhuh:

a new thread could always be made some time down the line to try and accomplish what this thread originally intended to do, since it is obvious this thread will never get back to it's topic

I want to settle the issue, and it's not settled yet. Xirc seems to only respond to the parts about stout. Again, this is a community issue. I guess I actually once cared about what happened with this particular forum. But I'll just give up. Xirc isn't going to respond to the questions that I ask concerning the VERY questionable bans, and his responses to Glass's ban contradict themselves. So I'll drop it, and the forum while I'm at it. It's no good anymore. It was dying then, it's dead now.

A new thread? I'm afraid I'd be banned for "spamming" or trying to cause a ruckus around here. :rant:

[Ash Housewares]

I want to settle the issue, and it's not settled yet. Xirc seems to only respond to the parts about stout. Again, this is a community issue. I guess I actually once cared about what happened with this particular forum. But I'll just give up. Xirc isn't going to respond to the questions that I ask concerning the VERY questionable bans, and his responses to Glass's ban contradict themselves. So I'll drop it, and the forum while I'm at it. It's no good anymore. It was dying then, it's dead now.

A new thread? I'm afraid I'd be banned for "spamming" or trying to cause a ruckus around here. :rant:

you don't want to settle anything, you want to stir it up

the bottom line is that bans are not questionable and the mods have been more than fair in hearing complaints, there really is nothing left to accomplish here

[Module88]

you don't want to settle anything, you want to stir it up

the bottom line is that bans are not questionable and the mods have been more than fair in hearing complaints, there really is nothing left to accomplish here

Bans are questionable. The mods don't have to comply to any request, do not have to state any reason for banning, and have the authority to ban at will. BUT AGAIN, it doesn't make it right. The fact is we haven't been given the truth, and while AGAIN, the mods are not obligated to tell us, as far as I'm concerned, some of the bans were unwarranted; and with Xirc's seemingly contradictory explanation for Glass's ban, it only supports my theory. If the truth stirs things up, so be it. But I'm not one that says, oh well, it may be wrong, but I'll let it slide. In this case, there is no incentive to make it right. I'm not stuck here, and frankly, I've come to hate the place, so there's really no need for me to fix anything. There's not much incentive either, to fix anything so it benefits everyone else here. Doesn't really matter to me much anymore.

[Xircon]

Xirc, one thing about this thread that might be useful, you are starting to get familiar with all of us. For better or for worse? :lol:


I will drink to that one. :drink: :thumbsup:

Stout, I am dont arguing this case. Feel free to create a new list and I will close this one. Good luck with Temple. I really do wish you guys well.

[Xircon]

atleast it could be worse than getting me :lol:

and I wouldn't wish it upon Xircon, to moderate the pvp and paladin forum? I would wish this upon no man


I had a dream I was moderator of the pvp forum *shudder*

Actually I would love to do it. Not sure if any of you have stepped in the PvP forum lately. It is actually a pleasant place. Since I became mod of it, I have only banned two people, both were already on thins ice with previous mods. PvP forum is great. I love to mod it, I love to spend time reading it. Many of the people who hang out in there I talk to regularly now.

Module, nearly everyone else seems satisfied. I am sorry if you are not but I do not think you will ever be. One observation I have seen is you keep saying you do not care but you keep posting. Not sure how that works.

[Module88]

I don't anymore, and after this post I'm done. Everyone might want to read this one. "It's hard to avoid making a mistake a second time if you don't know what your mistake was the first time." Later.

[Xircon]

I don't anymore, and after this post I'm done. Everyone might want to read this one. "It's hard to avoid making a mistake a second time if you don't know what your mistake was the first time." Later.

Funny, everyone seems to know there mistake except you. But you will not be on anymore so I am sure you will not be reading this. So once again I say, you appear to be the only one to not get it.

This thread is closed. Stout, remake your thread if you would please.

[-Ferro-]

You forgot to close it, man!!!

Erhhmm.....

bye

[Ash Housewares]

You forgot to close it, man!!!

Erhhmm.....

bye

maybe he didn't, the forums are quite goofy tonight, it will all be resolved in time anyways, I doubt anything terrible will transpire here in the meantime