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My proposed idea for a build is made for Clan-Honor and I am planning to be done by 85
1 smite
16 holy shield
10 fanaticism
20 FOH
20 Holy Shock
12 Conviction
and prereqs
For gear
Silence Phase blade
Shako w/ +5/-3 light facet
Enigma Wire Fleece
HOZ w/ pdiamond
Bul Kathos ring
SOJ
Trangs belt
Waterwalks
10 plain pally combats
If my calculations are correct i should be able to hit about 1400 smite dmg and 5.6k foh without using conviction
The formulas were
Shield Dmg - 20 - 28
Holy SHield dmg - 141 - 144
Smite ED - 390%
Fanat ED - 424%
Smite dmg = (20+141)*(390%+424%) - (28+144)*(390%+424%)
1310 - 1400 dmg
FOH dmg - 5280 - 5400
Facet 5544 - 5670
Conviction -150%
= 5544*153% - 5670*153%
Foh Dmg with Conviction - 8482 - 8675
What gloves should I use, will I hit max smite speed, and would this be viable for Clan-Honor.
Garbad_the_Weak
21-08-2004, 22:52
For some reason your smite dmg seems lower than it should be. Have you considered using an upgraded hoz?
Garbad
i would consider it, but i do not have one and i dont think someone in ch would loan me one
Module88
21-08-2004, 23:10
My proposed idea for a build is made for Clan-Honor and I am planning to be done by 85
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you should have 96 skill points to use at that level, so where are the other points going?
The prereqs take me to 97 points and 1 into zeal, sacrifice, conversion, charge, holy bolt, blessed hammer, might, blessed aim, concentration, holy fire, holy freeze, thorns, sanctuary, prayer, defiance, vigor, cleansing, meditation so
18 + 1 + 16 +10 +20 + 20 + 12 = 97
oh and i did forget there is an anni in there a 15 stat/16res/6%exp
Module88
21-08-2004, 23:22
The prereqs take me to 97 points and 1 into zeal, sacrifice, conversion, charge, holy bolt, blessed hammer, might, blessed aim, concentration, holy fire, holy freeze, thorns, sanctuary, prayer, defiance, vigor, cleansing, meditation so
18 + 1 + 16 +10 +20 + 20 + 12 = 97
oh and i did forget there is an anni in there a 15 stat/16res/6%exp
Yes, well, prereq's doesn't exactly include vigor, cleansing, meditation, defiance, and prayer. =/
sorry, i have always assumed them as standard 1 point wonders, but thank you for correcting me and the input
FoodPoisoning
21-08-2004, 23:31
uh yeah vigor and meditation are important
A few technicalities here:
-With this gear setup + annhil, you would need to put 20 points into holy shield to achieve +141-144 damage.
-No meditation might lead to some mana problems. I suggest getting a point in this, especially with FoH at 25 mana a cast and you only have 1 SOJ.
-You only need a level 5 fanta to get a 6 frame smite with silence phase and no other IAS.
-You need to add a few more points into convic to hit the -150 amount (assuming you are aiming to hit -150). Right now you will only have level 22 convic (23 with annhil).
This is the revised skill layout that I got using these points for a level 85 (96 skill points after all quests). See if you like it or not:
1 Meditation (level 12 with +skills)
20 Holy Shock
20 FoH (41 with +skills)
20 Holy Shield (41 with +skills)
14 convic (25 with +skills)
4 fanta (15 with +skills)
This will net you the following for damages:
FoH: 4656-4776 * 1.05 (facet) = 4889-5015 final damage
Smite: 1156-1235 (197-210 PvP before DR or ES)
You could also gain some maneuverability and defense by taking out two points from fanta and getting a point in defiance and vigor. This will lower your smite damage slightly to 1101-1176 (187-200 PvP before DR or ES). Trading 10 PvP damage for faster movement and more defense from holy shield and an aura may not be a terribly bad idea.
For gloves: You could get bloodfists for more FHR and life, or magefists for some cast speed and mana regen.
There's my two cents on this. Gl hf with it.
-Pansy
k i am an idiot, i forgot my ammy for 2 skills and i realise i am miscounting my skills it is 96 not 97, i like the idea of not using as many points in fanat so maybe now
plus to skills
2 shako
2 enigma
2 silence
2 rings
2 hoz
2 ammy
1 anni
10 combats
2 combat from hoz
for +25 combats
20 shield
12 conviction
4 fanat
1 smite
20 foh
20 shock
18 other assorted
so smite should be 1338 max
and the foh should be hopefully the same
FoodPoisoning
22-08-2004, 00:25
It all depends man...
HS might not give higher damage than fanat with that setup, because there is less ED for the +4 smite you get
you would have to do some calculations...
4 fanat 16 shield 5 smite gives 1327 smite
4 fanat 20 shield 1 smite gives 1338 smite
so close yet so far from being the awesome number
Module88
22-08-2004, 08:10
sorry, i have always assumed them as standard 1 point wonders, but thank you for correcting me and the input
No disagreement there, of course. They ARE one point wonders. But not everyone has them, so I can't just assume you do.
TheQuestionForumMan
23-08-2004, 00:02
1 pt wonders ...? meditation? vigor? my pally doesnt have those...because i see them as pvm skills and waste of points :lol: and my pally still kickarse without them
enliten me about them 1pt wonders..how does meditation or vigor help me in duels?
Well for medi lets think of this in a caster point of view. Not zealot or melee stuff. You are casting spells that cost alot of mana and eventully you will run out of mana, switch on medi and within a few moments you can resume casting you spell. Also works great in conjunction with prayer due to its life healing. I knew one person who had his life regen at about 60+ over 2 seconds when he had medi on.
As for vigor, its used with vigor charge. Move so fast that you will desync and get away from your enemy. Also its possible to vigor charge away and then switch on medi and heal.
1 point wonders, very useful...
is there any particular reasoning behind waterwalks? or are they just a pair of boots that looked nice?
Stoutwood
23-08-2004, 10:15
Well, they do add life, dex, and to maximum fire resist. I think they are quite possibly one of the best V/T boots.
mostly what stoutwood said, and they are what i have lying around that will work.
For some reason your smite dmg seems lower than it should be. Have you considered using an upgraded hoz?
Garbad
At level 84, the almost finished v/t
Well unfortunately, my smite dmg calculation was off, finally dmg comes in at
Smite w/ Hoz 1723 - 1832
Smite w/ 4ptopaz monarch 1314 - 1534
Foh w/ Hoz - 5543 - 5670
Foh w/ 4ptopaz monarch 4888 - 5014
Hoz
Defense 16751
Life 1715
Mana 467
4ptopaz Monarch
Defense 13988
Life 1655
Mana 467
damage does go lower when i use a tgods and raven over the soj and trangs belt
dekarclad
27-08-2004, 03:07
Are these numbers with upped hoz? or not? Not sure if your str meets the requirements, but if they do wouldn't an upped hoz add considerably to your smite damage? Lem and Ko aren't that difficult to get. I'm willing to trade you a ko.
these numbers are on a regular hoz on east nl, im not too worried about the smite dmg since it is higher than any other smiter i have ever made by about 700 dmg.
jumbo_SHRIMP
27-08-2004, 17:18
i would recommend using a redeemer with +120 damage, this will add that damage directly to your smite damage, as if it were additional holy shield damage...
phelix
strength_honor
27-08-2004, 18:57
I love how ppl says: " Oh, I use sub-optimal gears or my paladin don't have pts in X important skills yet I still kick ***..." and when they met someone really godly they just cry lag and BM...
Set your sight higher k ?
Playing a V/T is all about perfection and if you dont even have the drive to perfect your gears/skills dont even try to convice me that you are godly or owning. Because....
OWNing Noobs doesn't mean anything !
Keep only one thing in mind when you make your V/T, ask yourself: the top V/T can have 3100Smite/4000FOH Smite Switch, 2900/5000 FOH switch. How far am I off? If you always look behind you and say oh there are lots nublets who has 1800 smite only and I am doing 2000...you will never be a good V/T, let alone a godly one.
Keep only one thing in mind when you make your V/T, ask yourself: the top V/T can have 3100Smite/4000FOH Smite Switch, 2900/5000 FOH switch. How far am I off? If you always look behind you and say oh there are lots nublets who has 1800 smite only and I am doing 2000...you will never be a good V/T, let alone a godly one.
I guess you have to be level 99 to reach those numbers unless you use redeemer or astreon.
strength_honor
28-08-2004, 00:22
I guess you have to be level 99 to reach those numbers unless you use redeemer or astreon.
=( too bad isnt it !
that's why V/T is the hardest to play... simply because for it to be able to hang with the best Hammerdin... lvl 99 is required...Doesn't matter which way you go, the Templar need high lvl 90+ to achieve high Smite dmg and Vindicator need high lvl 90+ to get high FOH.
so Pravda! ...get on and lvl like your life depends on it! Baal is calling you to kick his arse for another 500 times !
P.S. oh where did you get that sexy +3 Scepter !!! Oh so rich share wealth or I hack you ! -_-
=( too bad isnt it !
that's why V/T is the hardest to play... simply because for it to be able to hang with the best Hammerdin... lvl 99 is required...Doesn't matter which way you go, the Templar need high lvl 90+ to achieve high Smite dmg and Vindicator need high lvl 90+ to get high FOH.
so Pravda! ...get on and lvl like your life depends on it! Baal is calling you to kick his arse for another 500 times !
P.S. oh where did you get that sexy +3 Scepter !!! Oh so rich share wealth or I hack you ! -_-
I got the 3,100 avg. smite damage now on my V/T, but only 2.8k foh, gotta get cracking on levelin too. :creep:
strength_honor
28-08-2004, 01:06
I got the 3,100 avg. smite damage now on my V/T, but only 2.8k foh, gotta get cracking on levelin too. :creep:
2.4k FOH away from perfect go go go !
HandofElysium
28-08-2004, 07:23
=( too bad isnt it !
that's why V/T is the hardest to play... simply because for it to be able to hang with the best Hammerdin... lvl 99 is required...Doesn't matter which way you go, the Templar need high lvl 90+ to achieve high Smite dmg and Vindicator need high lvl 90+ to get high FOH.
so Pravda! ...get on and lvl like your life depends on it! Baal is calling you to kick his arse for another 500 times !
P.S. oh where did you get that sexy +3 Scepter !!! Oh so rich share wealth or I hack you ! -_-
I maybe addicted to this game but I'm not a damn zombie.
Those people who raced to 99 I have know idea how they did it without sliting their wrists.
I know your a perfectionist but there is no such thing as perfect....also no sane person will go to 99 just for a couple of extra skill points and stats... just no way.
I set out in this character to make someone who had another trick in his bag other than foh. Perfection and the ultimate pwning character was never a goal. I am happy with my character in that he is stronger than any other foh pally or smiter i have ever made. I never wanted to be godly or higher than 85. I am looking back at my other characters and saying that pure smiter I made only had 1100 dmg, and my zealot had 1000 dmg on smite. I am not comparing my character to other people, just other characters I made. I have taken him out into pubbies and done reasonably well, I do die fairly often, I lag often, but then who doesn't? Anyway, thanks for all the input from everyone. I will consider using an astreons or redeemer, but for now i dont have one.
Mr.Glasscock
28-08-2004, 08:59
If you're still going for a CH build i dont think you can use astreon's since it has slow on it.
I love how ppl says: " Oh, I use sub-optimal gears or my paladin don't have pts in X important skills yet I still kick ***..." and when they met someone really godly they just cry lag and BM...
Set your sight higher k ?
Playing a V/T is all about perfection and if you dont even have the drive to perfect your gears/skills dont even try to convice me that you are godly or owning. Because....
OWNing Noobs doesn't mean anything !
Keep only one thing in mind when you make your V/T, ask yourself: the top V/T can have 3100Smite/4000FOH Smite Switch, 2900/5000 FOH switch. How far am I off? If you always look behind you and say oh there are lots nublets who has 1800 smite only and I am doing 2000...you will never be a good V/T, let alone a godly one.
If you read the one of the first lines in this thread, it did state that this was a Clan Honor Based V/T, so your so called "pwning newbs" is out right there. Nearly all honor members are well mannered and most of the common members duel together all the time, there really isnt any newbs that death has set his sights on "pwning."
Second, name one point in this entire thread where he is complaining about his "sub-optimal gear" and "lag crying." Im sorry but you really dont seem to know the first thing about the type of dueling that this person enjoys. The entire game, especially with the 1.10 stereotype of paladins, is not all about killing everyone and hardcore leveling, because last time I checked, its about fun. Your whole reasoning behind playing a V/T for perfection is flawed in that, you can still enjoy your build and not be the top dueler, which is not what he set out to do.
Finally, once again name one point where death mentioned that he was aiming to set his sights higher, (he ended up with higher smite than he had hoped) or he was trying to convince everyone that he was "pwning" games and was godly, or that being godly was even his goal. Next time, keep your biased opinions to yourself. :thumbsup:
Ragnarod
28-08-2004, 11:03
Those people who raced to 99 I have know idea how they did it without sliting their wrists.
I know your a perfectionist but there is no such thing as perfect....also no sane person will go to 99 just for a couple of extra skill points and stats... just no way.
Listen to him, I've just finished leveling a 99 in Europe ladder with some friends from the ETF (Europe Trade Forum), and the lvls from 96 to 99 (specially 98) are a huge waste of time...
At least we won the prize, and we're the first paladin to 99 worldwide, not bad :D
Stoutwood
28-08-2004, 11:21
I'm siding with DOC here. That tirade was really out of place. Save that for the next time a Doom/Lacerator/Exile smiter comes in and tells everyone how to make their V/T.
jumbo_SHRIMP
28-08-2004, 17:33
right, try the friggen redeemer dude, your smite damage will thank you
phelix
strength_honor
29-08-2004, 01:01
If you read the one of the first lines in this thread, it did state that this was a Clan Honor Based V/T, so your so called "pwning newbs" is out right there. Nearly all honor members are well mannered and most of the common members duel together all the time, there really isnt any newbs that death has set his sights on "pwning."
OK so if someone join CH they cannot be a Newb? Look at the damn rules... no Teleport for sorc? What kind of newbs need to ban Teleport for sorc so they can win? Sure I admit back in PvPeast time I have fail to lock FOH even one time on any of top3 Sorc in team duels...But I just suck it up and admit defeat... while CH formally know as 76legit need to bend the rules all the way so they can win... can we say sore loser ? sore loser = newb.
Im sorry but you really dont seem to know the first thing about the type of dueling that this person enjoys. The entire game, especially with the 1.10 stereotype of paladins, is not all about killing everyone and hardcore leveling, because last time I checked, its about fun. Your whole reasoning behind playing a V/T for perfection is flawed in that, you can still enjoy your build and not be the top dueler, which is not what he set out to do.
So you want to talk about logic and reasoning? My field ! I just gave up on Mathematic major for Philosophy major...-_- ! First of all, this "Fun" conceptof yours is based upon the premise that playing games is all about fun. Ok then let us talk about fun... So with 1800 smite dmg, you cannot beat a experienced V/T at all, then by your definition of having fun...losing is fun for you? No? Well sure your 1800 oh so godly smite can own alot newbs, then now winning is fun??? Oh now you are going to tell me the dueling experience itself is fun whether you win or lose??? Oh such peasant concept of competition !
OK, now you can come up with the " why treat games so seriously, get a life you nerd excuse!" Yes me so nerd me drive Benz M500 and live in $700K house so gg... we all know that the person who is serious about games can be deadly serious in reality.
Let me tell you this: In this world, there are only 2 kind of people... The first kind is the nobles, who believe that doesn't matter what they do, whether a game or job in reality; they will try their best... the 2nd are the peasants, who believe in only trying but not succeeding. why? because they cannot succeed. Once they lose, they will get so resentful and try to make up new rules in favor of themselves.
TO BE CONTINUED
First off, you were banned by CH because you didnt read the rules, so there is your biased point of view. So since you are a major Philosophy major you should know that being bias clouds your judgement. Ch has rules so that the underplayed and unique builds can compete as well as the overplayed and overpowered builds. I myself enjoy playing the lesser used classes like Bearsorcs and Zealsins, along with Kickers and Fire druids. While some enjoy playing pally's and sorcs.
Second he never said this was for dueling other v/t's. Therefore he was not concerned about beating everyone he comes across, mainly having fun which is what CH is about. It can be fun whether you win or lose and I know this for a fact, because playing the lesser classes and losing is still an enjoyable experience to me and many others. Finally, his 1800 smite damage did infact accomplish more than he set out to do, it can provide equal match-ups to many of the duelers that he enjoys facing, mainly dueling me.
Why you may ask would I know so much about Death? Well, first off, he is my best friend. He also happens to be a CH regular with me and finally up till about 2 weeks ago, it would take me all of 30 seconds to walk down the hall and anwser his questions on duelers. Thats right, he is family.
So, the entire of purpose of this thread was for him to ask questions that I told him to ask. I did not have internet at the time so I was not able to give him the exact numbers. I helped him plan this guy and trade for the gear, like I do with most of his builds. You see, because the main people that he enjoys dueling arnt 'newbs' but in fact are his brother and a few others that we talk with. This was a private dueler, one whose sole purpose was to have fun in dueling, not to win, but to laugh and say good game after every match. So unless the "to be continued" portion of you post is an apology because you stuck your foot in your mouth, Im just going to go enjoy some more duels and learn some more strats with a Zealsin vs a V/t...
~Kazama Fury~
29-08-2004, 01:34
cry more?
some people here can deal with the rules and have a new style of dueling. some people like this type of balance. dont like it? dont join.
oh wait, you did, and you couldnt even follow the simple rules after i warned you more than 6 times. (not to mention 2-3 times were the same rules you were breaking).
clearly you cant deal with the fact where a duel game is bounded by certain rules where everyone must abide on. you dont like CH, fine by me, fine by everyone in there, you shouldnt have joined in the first place if you cared so much about it.
CH formally know as 76legit need to bend the rules all the way so they can win... can we say sore loser ? sore loser = newb.
oh wow a philosophy major! and you cant even understand the simple logic that the rules we abide on affects everyone in the game, and not just the one who reinforces and decides on the rules? notice how 76 tried to have as much variety as possible, do you see that in pubs? no. you're logic is flawed, sore loser? so you're saying everyone loses in a chduel? theres 2 sides to a coin, one wins, the other loses. its a question of balance, if it was how you say it is, then the rules would ever change since we would have someone lose in a duel.
bend the rules? look whos talking, you joined ch to be under our rules, yet you break them in every duel, knowingly. shame, seems like you're the "sore loser" who has to break the rules to win.
OK, now you can come up with the " why treat games so seriously, get a life you nerd excuse!" Yes me so nerd me drive Benz M500 and live in $700K house so gg... we all know that the person who is serious about games can be deadly serious in reality.
grow up, deal with the fact that not everyone shares your opinion, is that serious enough? theres some reality.
Yes me so nerd me have private jet and live in a $2Mil house so gg... yeah, we can all say that, wether its true or not, i dont see the relevance of being a nerd or not.
oh look its a series, TO BE CONTINUED.
edit: honestly, dont we all share the common goal here? "fair" dueling depending whos view it is? theres a thin line but still a line between respect and liking the person. this hate and name calling to those who ask for it, not to those who were kindly coming to the pally forum asking pertinent questions and wanted some help. you are one of those who shatter the pally forum reputation, i have great respect for many pally duelers here, i have also tried many of their builds, if you cant have such an open mind, then i wonder if you have any logic at all. wisdom comes with age? i guess not to everyone.
strength_honor
29-08-2004, 01:43
[QUOTE=DOC]First off, you were banned by CH because you didnt read the rules, so there is your biased point of view. So since you are a major Philosophy major you should know that being bias clouds your judgement. QUOTE]
First, you assume I hate CH because I was banned by CH. My hate for CH starts from 76legit time and I was no banned back then. My argument simply states that CH contains many newbs based upon the fact that they can't handle Tele Sorc so they banned a total legit skill. I dont hate CH because they banned me. Sure I am angry, but no, I am not resentful like some of the CH member I observed, who hide under this aura of " I am just here having fun" yet when they win, they become so cocky, and when they lose they complain alot.
My statements are not meant for Death only. Rather I am waging a war against all who think game/life is all about fun. No, it is not ok? Life is competition and this competition reflects in everything that we do.... yes....in silly computer games like Diablo as well. Once again, let me stress this, if you cant be serious enough to win in a game, you cant be serious in real life.
How I lament the loss of greatness in the paladin temple...The core question I presented to all paladins is why take it easy ? Why be the rabble? Raise ! Fight ! Show us your nobility! Be a paladin ! Let honour guide you, the desire to have fun should never be a reason for playing paladin... from what I see, this is a betrayal to the order.
I am fed up with excuses, weaklings...why why why? why can there be someone worthy to fight...
For the lost ones, remember this:
"The Eternal Paladin, Lures for Perfection. "
memememe173
29-08-2004, 02:11
OK so if someone join CH they cannot be a Newb? Look at the damn rules... no Teleport for sorc? What kind of newbs need to ban Teleport for sorc so they can win? Sure I admit back in PvPeast time I have fail to lock FOH even one time on any of top3 Sorc in team duels...But I just suck it up and admit defeat... while CH formally know as 76legit need to bend the rules all the way so they can win... can we say sore loser ? sore loser = newb.
Win agaisnt who? There's no one to win agaisnt when we all play by the same rules...
Nietzsche
29-08-2004, 03:49
Messenger for SH
He sends his greeting. He just doesn't care about RPG forum anymore... seeing most of the people in it isn't salvagable anymore.
Another thing he said is: if "any fool from CH"(direct quote) try to post anything under this thread. Then they will recieve a free cookie. =(
memememe173
29-08-2004, 03:52
yum cookies :D
Garbad_the_Weak
29-08-2004, 04:01
My argument simply states that CH contains many newbs based upon the fact that they can't handle Tele Sorc so they banned a total legit skill.
The idea to ban teleport in 76 started first and foremost with me. Having dueled you personally, I doubt you will try and say I am a "newb" who couldn't handle teleport. I handled you easy enough, and I'll be happy to do so again.
Teleport was banned to promote a different style of dueling based on a system that promotes team duels and build variety, as started in the rules. Based on the dueling games, this was overwhelmingly sucessful (especially 76). And as for not being able to "handle" teleport, I would put the average skill of a 76 dueler vs the average skill of ANYONE, including any other clan/temple/pub, etc. There is no comparison, the people who have mastered pub style dueling and who are looking for a different twist come to CH.
Honestly, I expected more out of you, as I have always respected you as a dueler and a poster. These silly 7th grade philosophy soundbites and random baseless insult sound like boredom to me. And an internet **** fight based on your parents house?!? You must be kidding.
I noticed Xircon banned you over another incident and my initial instinct was to speak up in your defense, but it looks like you were just looking to flame someone somewhere, so I will dismiss this thread as nothing more than that.
Garbad
Nietzsche
29-08-2004, 05:31
The idea to ban teleport in 76 started first and foremost with me. Having dueled you personally, I doubt you will try and say I am a "newb" who couldn't handle teleport. I handled you easy enough, and I'll be happy to do so again.
you handle me easily enough is that why I 10-1 you in Temple in 2 vs 2 ?
Have a cookie... on the house.
Garbad_the_Weak
29-08-2004, 05:34
10-1? More like 50/50 at best, and perhaps you forgot...
My piss poor templar beat your lib 1v1 3-0. Bushball was there, I forget who the other witness was. And honestly, should a templar ever beat any other paladin in a duel? I think not.
Garbad
Nietzsche
29-08-2004, 05:53
10-1? More like 50/50 at best, and perhaps you forgot...
My piss poor templar beat your lib 1v1 3-0. Bushball was there, I forget who the other witness was. And honestly, should a templar ever beat any other paladin in a duel? I think not.
Garbad
good job... I see CH really inherited the essence of 76legit...
turning losses into wins...
OK OK I admit defeat, I am such bad dueler I even lost to a Templar when I have 95/T-god/380lr in nightmare... you 100-0 KO me ok ? dont just have a cookie... have a steak dinner as well.
just wait til Bush and Infinite69 gets here...and we can have two witnesses...
or a better way...lets duel 5 games...
2 Temple rule
3 CH rule
Module88
29-08-2004, 06:28
Well I'll watch that. Should be quite interesting.
~Kazama Fury~
29-08-2004, 06:43
what does this duel have to prove?
OK OK I admit defeat, I am such bad dueler I even lost to a Templar when I have 95/T-god/380lr in nightmare... you 100-0 KO me ok ? dont just have a cookie... have a steak dinner as well.
you cant accept someone winning, but if you win, it means everything?
here, have a lobster dinner.
Module88
29-08-2004, 06:52
Obviously the duel decides who gets the better dinner, on me.
Nietzsche
29-08-2004, 07:04
what does this duel have to prove?
you cant accept someone winning, but if you win, it means everything?
here, have a lobster dinner.
When did I not accept someone winning? O_O Ask Pravda or anyone that duel in Temple East...
once again I praised CH for inheriting the 76legit tradition of turniing losses into wins...
P.S. Where did your glitched Bartuc ISO/FT thread go ? Wait nvm I forgot Xircon is your buddy you will never get banned for violation of any rules.
The same goes for RPG pal, ROMVS, where did your ISO glitch gears thread go as well? I guess money buys everything ... too bad I would rather Ebay than pay RPG =(
Also I heard from at least two members that Kaz, yourself, in fact, is quite a sore loser... is that why now all Hammerdins are only allowed 26% DR... oh you must really hated the dreaded paladin...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote of the day for you CH duelers not making this up, from a actual CH member : " Actually, after dueling people from D2jsp.org, I find them alot better than East CHers..."
I dont know wether that should be classified as a insult against D2jsp ppls or a praise for East CHers?
Nietzsche
29-08-2004, 07:05
Obviously the duel decides who gets the better dinner, on me.
I eat lobster w/o butter. ^^
VictusMetuo
29-08-2004, 07:20
Actually if you knew anything, he wasn't the one who came up with that rule and actually was one of the people who said that rule didn't fix the problem. But you don't know anything you like to pull things out of your rear end.
If you didn't like CH, why are you one of the pathetic kids that had to make a new forum acct to sign up after we already banned you? Or if you are sick of RPG then why are you still here posting on another acct? You are just another little drama kiddie.
excellence
29-08-2004, 07:28
how bout we all DUEL to finish this!?!?! nothing better than that! oh and i dont mind the 26% dr cap on hammerdins, if im dishing out 2k dmg hammers (after penalty), there should be some limits.
garb if you 3-0 sh with your pure templar im going to cry...cuz i nevar witnessed that...
edit:fixed stuff
Let the thread die.
@strength_honor and Nietsche
why did this turn into a flame me and CH, i have nothing against you, i never wanted to own, and losing can be fun if it was a good fight, why do you think NvN duels were awesome in 1.09
@Doc, Kaz, Pansy, Garbad, Meme
Thanks for the support, enjoy the cookies, and hope to duel you soon in CH. And vote to ban Vigor Charge Pls
@everyone else,
Thanks for the input the ideas, I will try a redeemer out for when I go pubbing with him, but stick with the silence in CH, but first I have to get one.
Finally, let the thread die
Nietzsche
29-08-2004, 17:47
how bout we all DUEL to finish this!?!?! nothing better than that! oh and i dont mind the 26% dr cap on hammerdins, if im dishing out 2k dmg hammers (after penalty), there should be some limits.
garb if you 3-0 sh with your pure templar im going to cry...cuz i nevar witnessed that...
edit:fixed stuff
Hey Divine you were there when me, you, Bush and Garb do 2 vs 2 duels... Do you not remember?
It is that duel Garb was referring to -_- I did die to your oh so godly hammer a few times... >.< hehe. So I guess garb is adding your kill on himself.
Thanks for the support, enjoy the cookies, and hope to duel you soon in CH. And vote to ban Vigor Charge Pls
-___________________________- speechless......
Vic got a cookie as well.
Garbad keep making up fake things about me...don't I have to defend myself ? -_- ! Still waiting for Garbad to msg me for the duels.
Lets make the duel 1 Temple rule/4 CH rule...so Garbad doesn't cry or lie about it later... better yet...I let you use BO, Slow, as well k?
Is SH banned from this thread? It doesn't seem to be that bad.
This is what usally happens to the people with the most knowledge around here. They get banned for something stupid.
Thats why we have very few knowledgeable threads in here. Most of the Vets that have something smart to say have been banned.
Guesse we will just keep getting the standard HOW DO I BUILD A HAMMERDIN THREADS?
The number of people that can offer correct information on this board are few and the number of people that will talk out there rear is growing. This makes the overall quality of information on this board very weak.
Is SH banned from this thread? It doesn't seem to be that bad.
This is what usally happens to the people with the most knowledge around here. They get banned for something stupid.
Thats why we have very few knowledgeable threads in here. Most of the Vets that have something smart to say have been banned.
Guesse we will just keep getting the standard HOW DO I BUILD A HAMMERDIN THREADS?
The number of people that can offer correct information on this board are few and the number of people that will talk out there rear is growing. This makes the overall quality of information on this board very weak.
Well, having multiple accounts it a bannable offense I believe and this thread was moving very smoothly up until Sh assumed that Death was only trying to pwn everyone. Other than that, this has not provided any useful infomation in the last few posts, so Im just going to report this and hope it gets locked.
Well, having multiple accounts it a bannable offense I believe and this thread was moving very smoothly up until Sh assumed that Death was only trying to pwn everyone. Other than that, this has not provided any useful infomation in the last few posts, so Im just going to report this and hope it gets locked.
If your building a character to duel then your trying to, as you say, PWN. Thats the point.
I don't belive my post was directed to just this one thread. Stop trying to play MOD and get people banned. If you don't like what someone says then ignore it.
Well, having multiple accounts it a bannable offense I believe and this thread was moving very smoothly up until Sh assumed that Death was only trying to pwn everyone. Other than that, this has not provided any useful infomation in the last few posts, so Im just going to report this and hope it gets locked.
And so is the flaming from some of the other ch members in this thread. I don't think SH assumed that about death. He was just tired of many people's low standard in this forum.
Is SH banned from this thread? It doesn't seem to be that bad.
This is what usally happens to the people with the most knowledge around here. They get banned for something stupid.
Thats why we have very few knowledgeable threads in here. Most of the Vets that have something smart to say have been banned.
Guesse we will just keep getting the standard HOW DO I BUILD A HAMMERDIN THREADS?
The number of people that can offer correct information on this board are few and the number of people that will talk out there rear is growing. This makes the overall quality of information on this board very weak.
Would this make me stupid? lol jk. I've flamed several times(200+pages maybe) in these forums. from .08-.09; however, I've never been banned. :cheesy:
I personally enjoy Temple rules. Rule is: Just have a fun duel.
Would this make me stupid? lol jk. I've flamed several times(200+pages maybe) in these forums. from .08-.09; however, I've never been banned. :cheesy:
I personally enjoy Temple rules. Rule is: Just have a fun duel.
Oo. You might have been saved because you don't post as much in here anymore. This forum went from usally like 6-10 people viewing in .09 to 40-50 in 1.10 because the hammerdin is now the old .09 zon.
If you were still as active here you might be banned too.
HOW DO I BUILD A HAMMERDIN????
Ok I'm done adding to the uselessness.
Just messing with ya Blade.
Nietzsche
29-08-2004, 20:09
Oh why so much support for a bannie...
Give all supports to Kaz and Garbie plz! Seeing that they are either friend of mod or mod...
***-kissing will prolly get more cookies... because I am all out of them now =)
My post is just a declaration of war against all the rabbles.
Kill or be kill.
Garbad_the_Weak
29-08-2004, 20:38
Sounds more like a declaration of bordom and pettiness to me.
I will be happy to duel you anytime. Ask bush or someone when I get on, I am on his f list, or just add me (*garbad_the_Weak). Or better yet, come to west where I have a lot better palas and I can go lib v lib if you like. Temple rules or Ch are fine, they are practically identical for pal v pal. Lets hope you don't lose to my templar again, it will be hard to talk your way out of it. A lib losing to a poor, lagging, templar.... :)
In any event, I'll lock this thread and let Xircon decide what to do about SH. I personally hope he doesn't get banned as he *HAS* been a worthwhile poster, but who knows.
Garbad
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