Viable PvP builds

[Inuyasha]

I have wondered about this for a long time, and finally decided that here is the best place to ask for it.

Yes, I know I'll be chewed out and givin the old "anything is viable if you're skilled enough" BS, but I'm asking anyways.

What are ALL of the viable and effectice PvP builds for 1.10? I'm hoping to create a legendary thread that can list everything, a database for all duelers like me.

So far the only really effective ones that I see are:

WW Axe/shield---------------------BARBARIAN
WW Spear-------------------------BARBARIAN
WW Polearm-----------------------BARBARIAN
Titan------------------------------BARBARIAN

FOrb------------------------------SORCERESS
Fireball----------------------------SORCERESS
Charged Bolt/Lightning-------------SORCERESS


MA--------------------------------ASSASIN
Trapper---------------------------ASSASIN
MageSlayer------------------------ASSASIN

Smiter-----------------------------PALADIN
Chargadin--------------------------PALADIN
Hammerdin-------------------------PALADIN
Liberator---------------------------PALADIN

Bone-------------------------------NECROMANCER

Werewolf---------------------------DRUID
Wind-------------------------------DRUID

???---------------------------------AMAZON


Please help me fill in with all of the builds I've missed (Yes, I know there are lots, but this is all I can really remember right now. Any help with this would be appreciated.

[-Primal-]

Novamancer

and javazons

[folo]

Please help me fill in with all of the builds I've missed (Yes, I know there are lots, but this is all I can really remember right now. Any help with this would be appreciated.

Blizzard sorc, Mage pala (foh/hammer), V/T pala.

[Sint Nikolaas]

Filling in blancs
Barb:
Zerker
Conc
Frenzy
Thrower
Wolfbarb
Cry

Sorc:
Enchant

Druid:
Werewolf---------------------------DRUID
=
alot of wolfs.. fireclaws, rabies, fury.. hybrids
Werebear
fireclaw, shockwave

Amazon:
Bowazon (guided)
Lightningzon (java)
Plaguezon (java)

I left out alot and alot of obscurior builds and hybrids since alof of normal seldom used skills are pretty viable in pvp if you use them correctly.

:drink: Sint

[Inuyasha]

Okay, so here is the updated list:


WW Axe/shield---------------------BARBARIAN
WW Spear-------------------------BARBARIAN
WW Polearm-----------------------BARBARIAN
Titan (Zerk)-----------------------BARBARIAN
Hybrid-----------------------------BARBARIAN
Thrower---------------------------BARBARIAN
Singers----------------------------BARBARIAN
Wolfbarbs-------------------------BARBARIAN

FOrb------------------------------SORCERESS
Fireball----------------------------SORCERESS
Charged Bolt/Lightning-------------SORCERESS
Enchantress-----------------------SORCERESS


MA--------------------------------ASSASIN
Trapper---------------------------ASSASIN
MageSlayer------------------------ASSASIN

Smiter-----------------------------PALADIN
Chargadin--------------------------PALADIN
Hammerdin-------------------------PALADIN
Liberator---------------------------PALADIN

Bone-------------------------------NECROMANCER

Werewolf (Rabies)------------------DRUID
Werewolf (Fury)--------------------DRUID
Werewolf (Fireclaws)---------------DRUID
Werewolf (Hunger)------------------DRUID
Werebear(Fireclaws)----------------DRUID
Wind-------------------------------DRUID

Bowazon----------------------------AMAZON
Lightningzon------------------------AMAZON
Plaugezon --------------------------AMAZON

sorry, but I don't include Conc barbs and Zealots as viable for PvP. Generally anything that just uses a "swing" attack can't keep up with the rest of the PvP competition, especially runners, WW barbs, necros, etc. I only barely let the Were-druids in, but that's because they get such insanely nasty bonuses that they CAN win sometimes, though still with much difficulty.

[TheCerberus]

I'd think a Smiter would be using an attack that is like a swing; so would a Berserker.

[Netherwolf]

I doubt you can count throwing barbs as viable in this patch. Apart from truly crappy duelers you won't be able to take down a lot if you don't own the best pair of jav's in the realm.
I think the Venomancers mentioned by -Primal- are certainly viable.
WW Sword seems to be missing.
If you count wolfbarbs as viable, then where are the bears?
Blizzard Sorc.
Summoning Nec with Tele/Beast/(Merc) is evil aswell.

[-Primal-]

WWsin there r a lot of them on europe in pubbys.

[yuqing]

i've seen a blizz sorcs own the game jsut today.. and 2 days ago i saw a very unusual build own everyone in a hell game, a nova sorcs!

[luis19]

If a nova sorc cleared a game, there must not have been any good duelers in that game.

They are obsolete in .1.

As far as the most versatile builds i woudl go with:

1) WW barb (Axe)
2) Liberator
3) V/T
4) Bone Necro
5) Bowazon

[Bob_TheMadCow]

I'd like to throw

Fire-----------------------DRUID

in there as a viable dueler. Not exactly a tele-windy, but you'd be suprised how many people you can kill with him. And he's great fun too ;)

You really need to include

Blizzard-------------------SORCERESS
Vindicator/Templar--------PALADIN

in there.

Bears aren't as viable as wolves on other classes. though it is possible, I prefer to be rare and confuse people ;)

[Inuyasha]

Okay, so here is the updated list:


WW Axe/shield---------------------BARBARIAN
WW Spear-------------------------BARBARIAN
WW Polearm-----------------------BARBARIAN
Titan (Zerk)-----------------------BARBARIAN
Hybrid-----------------------------BARBARIAN
Thrower---------------------------BARBARIAN
Singers----------------------------BARBARIAN
Wolfbarbs-------------------------BARBARIAN

FOrb------------------------------SORCERESS
Fireball----------------------------SORCERESS
Charged Bolt/Lightning-------------SORCERESS
Enchantress-----------------------SORCERESS
Blizzard----------------------------SORCERESS


MA--------------------------------ASSASIN
Trapper---------------------------ASSASIN
MageSlayer------------------------ASSASIN
WW-------------------------------ASSASIN

Smiter-----------------------------PALADIN
Chargadin--------------------------PALADIN
Hammerdin-------------------------PALADIN
Liberator---------------------------PALADIN
Vindicator/Templar-----------------PALADIN
Mage------------------------------PALADIN

Bone-------------------------------NECROMANCER

Werewolf (Fury)--------------------DRUID
Werewolf (Fireclaws)---------------DRUID
Werewolf (Hunger)------------------DRUID
Fire--------------------------------DRUID
Wind-------------------------------DRUID

Bowazon----------------------------AMAZON
Lightningzon------------------------AMAZON
Plaugezon --------------------------AMAZON

I'd think a Smiter would be using an attack that is like a swing; so would a Berserker.

Smiters create a whole new category of attacks in most peoples opinions. They always hit, stun, and have alot of other nasty things to them (not sure if it's interruptable or not...)

Berzerker is pushing it as well, but there are no doubts that many people use them for PvP. If used right they are always a 1-hit kill, though still are really hard to hit things with.

[BabehJesus]

By enchantress, I'm assuming you mean melee.

However, there is another form of enchantress.

The bowasorc!

What is the one thing that zons lack? Fast movement. All they do is stay in one spot and fire. A bowasorc, however, has just as much IAS, teleport, and a varying mix of poison damage and fire enchant damage. A bowasorc will fire as fast a zon, but will chase you down in the process.

The one downside to bowasorcs is that they don't have the dodging skills of a zon, the skills that make up for the lack of resists. So only a very skilled bowasorc can beat elemental characters.

[UndeadBehlial]

i think a fireclaw wereBEAR is much better than werewolf. while he's slower, he'll live a lot longer vs ranged attacks.

I contest MA asn... i'm sure PvP there is a good build out there, but i have yet to see one. I know kickers and WWsins are good, but actually using things like blades of ice and stuff? hmm... lol now ill get someone saying "I'LL PROVE YOU WRONG" and i'll die. i'm just saying they're not quite abundant.

[memememe173]

anything that's not using Nova or one of the bugged skills (inferno, artic blast, WoI) and builds well (puts points in syngerys, tries to minimize str and such) is viable...just not to the same extent


We'll be able to know about bear zon in a month when I get back

[Inuyasha]

anything that's not using Nova or one of the bugged skills (inferno, artic blast, WoI) and builds well (puts points in syngerys, tries to minimize str and such) is viable...just not to the same extent


We'll be able to know about bear zon in a month when I get back

That's exactly the BS I was trying to clear up with this thread. It doesn't matter how godly a conc barb is, it will still be completely unable to beat a half-decent WW barb, or a necro, or a trapsin, or a... you get the picture. I know that it's sad, but these are the facts of PvP. Some make it, some don't.

just not to the same extent

Anything that can barely survive in pubby duels and NEVER survive against true duelers isn't viable in the least. That cuts out plenty of builds.

[VictusMetuo]

And you think a Hunger Werewolf will beat anything...

[hks489]

And you think a Hunger Werewolf will beat anything...

Poison Necro.

[Inuyasha]

And you think a Hunger Werewolf will beat anything...

Good point, I have to take them off the list.

...still, i remember my good old 1.09 hunger werewolf... before leech was totally neutered in PvP.... he was near immortal...

[VictusMetuo]

More of a Bear using Hunger with a Maul Charge to somewhat counter the dmg penalty. Wolves were more about Feral and only used Hunger as a means to get out of a lock, although not many bothered to do that either. Hunger was never really a main skill in 1.09, just one you would use a few times at most in a duel.

[memememe173]

That's exactly the BS I was trying to clear up with this thread. It doesn't matter how godly a conc barb is, it will still be completely unable to beat a half-decent WW barb, or a necro, or a trapsin, or a... you get the picture. I know that it's sad, but these are the facts of PvP. Some make it, some don't.



Anything that can barely survive in pubby duels and NEVER survive against true duelers isn't viable in the least. That cuts out plenty of builds.
hm...those builds are the smae builds that nothing outside those builds CAN beat, that's almost saying everyone sucks at basketball because their not as good as MJ

[wvx_leader_returns]

sorry but if you have enchantress sorcs and werewolf druids I think you can add a zealot.. or at least a zealot variant with charge

-wvx

[raiderjb]

youv forgettin psnsin iv never seen anything move so fast and kill so quick

[DOC]

Define MA sin. I hope you are not refering to one that uses Claw/Claw or Claw/Shield, because trust me on this, those died with the patch. (Thats not saying that I dont love them and wouldnt think about building for the hell of it)

As for Mageslayer, Id change it to read "Kicker" just to be more generous. There are some that target melee, not just casters.

Finally, add a Fireblast/Shockweb Sin :D

[Inuyasha]

WW Axe/shield---------------------BARBARIAN
WW Spear-------------------------BARBARIAN
WW Polearm-----------------------BARBARIAN
Titan (Zerk)-----------------------BARBARIAN
Hybrid-----------------------------BARBARIAN
Thrower---------------------------BARBARIAN
Singers----------------------------BARBARIAN

FOrb------------------------------SORCERESS
Fireball----------------------------SORCERESS
Charged Bolt/Lightning-------------SORCERESS
Blizzard----------------------------SORCERESS

Trapper----------------------------ASSASIN
MageSlayer------------------------ASSASIN
Kicker-----------------------------ASSASIN
WW-------------------------------ASSASIN
Fireblast/Shockweb----------------ASSASIN

Smiter-----------------------------PALADIN
Chargadin--------------------------PALADIN
Hammerdin-------------------------PALADIN
Liberator---------------------------PALADIN
Vindicator/Templar-----------------PALADIN
Mage------------------------------PALADIN

Bone-------------------------------NECROMANCER
Poison------------------------------NECROMANCER

Fire--------------------------------DRUID
Wind-------------------------------DRUID

Bowazon----------------------------AMAZON
Lightningzon------------------------AMAZON
Plaugezon --------------------------AMAZON

hm...those builds are the smae builds that nothing outside those builds CAN beat, that's almost saying everyone sucks at basketball because their not as good as MJ

I have no Idea how this is even supposed to make sense. The whole reason I'm listing these builds is because there are more than enough futile builds that can't kill any good PvPer. If you can at least attempt to explain what you're trying to say, then I can maybe add something, but right now I'm not sure what your point is.

[TheQuestionForumMan]

The good kind pvp built

PALADIN CATEGORY
Smiter/Charger
Smiter/Foh (viceversa)
Hammer/Foh (viceversa)
Synergiezed Charge
Pure Smiter (defianced max)
Smite/Zealot
Synergiezed Zealot
Zealot/Charger (somewhat obsolete)

ASSASIN CATEGORY
Lite Trapper
Fire Trapper
Kicker (somewhat obsolete)
WWsin
TrapWW (Hybrid)

BARBARIAN CATEGORY
Synergiezed Zerker
WW (any weapon )
Singer
Thrower/Buyaka (jumping Barb synergiezed)

NECRO CATEGORY
Bonerz
Poisoner
Summoner

SORC CATEGORY
Fire Caster
Enchantress (with beast form)
Blizzer
Synergiezed Orber
Lite Caster
Fire/Orb
Orb/TS (somewhat obsolete)

DRUID CATEGORY
Fart Monger (wind)
Armageddon (fire)
Beasty (wolf or bear)

AMAZON CATEGORY
Ranger (Bowazon)
Lite Striker (javazon)
Plaguer (javazon)

[oscarmk1]

hybrid LS/whirlwind sin can win against anyone consistently

[Perfect_11.]

i kno I come from nowhere, but an assassin with maxed venom and BoS can run around with a widow and pretty much destroy anything on ladder- (no enigmas, havent met a bone nec who doesnt use marrows) I think the bowazon is obsolete and the uber fast assassin takes its place. 1.25k Venom and ultra fast run/attack speed shouldnt be scoffed at. Often called a sniper viper, I find myself ditching my chaos claw in pubbies and actually just sniper. I take the cp waypoint and hang out. Most people die from the openwounds and poison quite fast.

[DOC]

@QuestionForumMan

You still left out a Fire Blast (Fire) and Shock Web (Light) Assassin. Its not classifed under a fire or lighting trapper. It seems as only paladins get the chance to be hybrids under that list. Every other class have nearly everything grouped together.

For Example: WW/Conc, Pure Conc, WW/Zerker, Wolf Barb, Poison and Bone, Fury/Rabies, Fire Claw, Armageddon/Fury, Shockegeddon, Light/Psn Zon, Bow/Charged Strike and there can be more.

[Olio]

There are a number of viable Widowmaker builds left off of this list. Enchantress, Assassin with venom, and Paladin auras all work reasonably well with GA.

Olio

[Dimoak]

There are a number of viable Widowmaker builds left off of this list. Enchantress, Assassin with venom, and Paladin auras all work reasonably well with GA.

Olio
I think he's talking strong ones though. Not to say they can't be decent, but you will never see a venom bowsin 'owning' a duel room.

^_^;; After playing a bit with my mage I think it's certainly viable. FoH by itself kills so many people I'm surprised you left that off your list.

[Diablokgb]

My orb/ts sorc back from 09 is still viable, people see nightwings, and slap on cold res and their 2x ravens. Fo

[Frisky]

I think he's talking strong ones though. Not to say they can't be decent, but you will never see a venom bowsin 'owning' a duel room.

^_^;; After playing a bit with my mage I think it's certainly viable. FoH by itself kills so many people I'm surprised you left that off your list.

Agreed, pure templar deserves a mention I think.

[Kazuya-Mishima]

dont expect to get all good builds possible tho because some of us have some very viable unique builds we wouldnt want to "give away" :P

[SlainByPain]

There are two things I would like to say.

1.Add hybrid holy shock pally! (guidedarrow/charge). Though the only one ive ever seen is me, It works quite well in PvP.

2.Ive made a hybrid asn (ls/ww). It was good, but not THAT good.

[Diabolico x64]

I posted a relatively short list of all the duelers I could remember, organized by character class, a little while ago:


Hammerdin
Avenger
Fanatic Avenger
Fanatic Zealot
Tesladin
Freezadin
Storm Ranger
Mage paladin
Foher
V/T
Smiter
Fanatic Ranger
Vanquisher
Liberator

Rabies/Fury Druid
Flaming Rabies Druid
Fury Druid
Hunter
Summoner Druid
FC Druid
Wind Druid
Fire Elementalist
Titan Druid

Singer
Maul Barb
Spear Barb
Polearm Barb
WW Barb
Conc Barb
Iron Barb
Titan Barb
Frenzy Barb
Berserker
Wolfbarb
Throw Barb

WWsin
Kicker
MAsin
Bowsin
Trapasn
Bombasn
Cold Maiden
Immobilizer
Mageslayer
C/C sin
C/S sin
Shadowsin
Furysin

CS zon
PJ zon
GA zon
Summoner zon
Tankzon
Jabbazon
MS zon
Strafezon
Cold Elemental zon
Fire Elemental zon
Bearzon
Sword zon
LF zon

Skellimancer
Summoner
Auramancer
Bone necro
Poison necro
Bear necro
Meleemancer
Commandomancer
Jailkeeper
Golemancer

Tri-elementalist
Blizzard sorc
Forber
Meteorb sorc
FB sorc
Meteor sorc
Enchantress
Bear sorc
Zealot sorc
Lightning sorc
CB sorc
Telesorc
Titan sorc
Energy Shield sorc



Some may have slipped my mind. Also, a lot of these can be combined to form hybrid builds.

[Rauth]

What the hell is a telesorc? Fear my 0 damage teleport!

I want to make a telek sorc to use on melee chars. I might not kill anything, but it sure would annoy them(kinda like poking someone in the head and then running away). Get a bajillion fast cast so no one would catch me.

Actually I made some charms in sp that gave me around 10000 telek dmg(was really bored). It was pretty fun killing stuff with it.

[Kodachi_ysaane]

fcr ww sin can kill anything but barbs.

[Diabolico x64]

What the hell is a telesorc? Fear my 0 damage teleport!

I want to make a telek sorc to use on melee chars. I might not kill anything, but it sure would annoy them(kinda like poking someone in the head and then running away). Get a bajillion fast cast so no one would catch me.

Actually I made some charms in sp that gave me around 10000 telek dmg(was really bored). It was pretty fun killing stuff with it.

A telesorc can be used with a merc to do some nice and quick damage. Throw some enchant in, and you've got a nice build.

Mostly though, telesorc's are used for PvM, and are quite rare.

[ilkori]

C/C sin
C/S sinIMO that is still way too general. You can make a Dragon Claw sin with C/C, or a kicker with C/C or C/S or W/S or a WW sin with C/C or a trapper with W/S or a trapper with C/C or a .... I think you get the point. Otherwise, that's the most complete listing I've seen for assassins. I'd still change it a bit, perhaps to something like this:WWsin
Kicksin (kicker, taloner, mageslayer, etc)
Lit Trapper
Fire Traper
Dragon Clawer
Bombasn
Ranged (bow, blade fury, etc)
Melee/Trap hybrid*
LLD**

*Not considered trappers unless the trap is Lightning Sentry. This is a big lumping of many hybrids including WW/LS, Kick/WoF, and others.

**LLD includes just about anything, really... as long as it has a low level. This is the only group that includes charge-ups (tiger strike).Yes, I got rid of the charge-ups. When I hear about a MA sin using chargeups winning a duel, I'll be happy to add them back in. (discounting LLD sins)

[Dimoak]

MA sins aren't viable -.-. Besides kickers I guess..and those aren't really that great except vs. like lidless sorcs.

[Oversized_D2player]

Definitely add Energy Shield sorcs.

[Dimoak]

Definitely add Energy Shield sorcs.
With what attack? Most of that stuff is listed. A support/defensive skill is not necessarily it's own build.

[Rauth]

Telek of course. 10 dmg fear it.

[Dimoak]

I was thinking of a TK/Hydra sorc as some kind of strange trapper but eh..

[Rauth]

I met a hydra sorc that did pretty good damage to my windy(cyclone gone in a few seconds or so, but 90 res fixed that). I think I'll make up one on sp to see the damage possiblities(nothing better to do with no connection). It would need some sort of spam spell(fb maybe) to use while waiting for hydras to work.

[scamatics]

all i have to say is i played d2 for a long time 1.09 was awesome i loved owning all ith's with my legit barb, now that there are so many new items and build i have given up on all d2 chars exept melee enchantress werebear sorc, and i do win against alot of different chars, im looking into trading all my items for resist charms to make my sorc unstoppable

[Matt]

Well, the MJ point is not valid, because in basketball, there is 1 MJ, (not anymore actually... but theres only one best player, you know what I mean) On the other hand, you can make as many bonemancers as you want.... and anyone can make the same build.

On the other hand, I am a big fan of "non cookie cutter" builds, and strongly believe that there is not one, lone kind of the pile... there is always a bigger fish, there is no one player who will beat anyone.

[SnOwBLiFe07]

Go Blizz Sorc!!!!