which ones are better

[Demoneye]

Out of these 4 different kinds of bards, which ones are great pvp builds, and yet still kick major monster(bosses) butts with no proplem as well as BvB. WW, Frenzy, Berzerk, or Concentrate. i have two barbs that are in the making aside from my other characters, and i dont want to ruin them. if u can, can u list the pros and cons of them as well.
thanks all :thanks:


theres a poll to this also but i forgot to put on the same post lol :lol:

[Asheron]

I'm all for WW ,with base (or more as you see fit) level concentration for when you run out of mana against other melee chars.

I'll try to list the pro's and con's so here goes:

WW pro's:
-Easiest way to hit moving targets
-Max block and defense while WW'ing
-Uninterruptable
-Ability to desynch with WW lock
-Ability to cause block lock by using DoD
-Ability to hit more by wielding 2 weapons against caster classes

Con's:
-No synergies
-Not as much damage as Berserk/Conc
-Relatively high mana cost


Frenzy Pro's:
-Ability to desnych opponent due to fast running speed
-Ability to catch casters easily

Con's:
-No shield
-No block
-relatively weak defense
-unability do to anything else but PvM


Berserk Pro's:
-Insane Damage which can't be resisted against
-1-2 Hit kills

Con's:
-NO Defense at all
-Extremely weak against other melee chars
-Very hard to hit moving targets without massive FRW
-"All or Nothing" attack


Concentration Pro's:
-High Damage
-High Defense
-Uninterruptable attack
-Strong against other melee

Con's:
-Hard to hit moving targets without massive FRW

[ReVolution]

They all suck except WW, although if your setup is good zerk/conc will still have very high dmg and be very useful for a quick tele-zerk/conc.

[ReVolution]

Berserk Pro's:
-Insane Damage which can't be resisted against
-1-2 Hit kills

Con's:
-Very hard to hit moving targets without massive FRW

The way to use zerk or conc in pvp is to namelock tele the enemy and then click them with zerk. Running after them will get you owned fast.

[Asheron]

Thanks for that fast analysis,Eric but not everyone uses teleport,you know. O.o

[ebyworx]

you guys forgot the wolf barb

[Asheron]

you guys forgot the wolf barb

That doesn't really count. O.o

[Demoneye]

k then, ww is the one. now my ww barb will be using a s/s. his main wep will be an etheral colossus blade BOTD, and he'll be using an ss. now my question is, is putting base str at 100 and with my other items on ill will be having around 200s str. but then is it a smart ideal to but enough ponits in dex so that i can have max blocking? which is around 200s points in dex. then the rest in vitality. is this a good ideal or not :scratch: ?

[mstrnicegui]

Berserker axe makes a much better base for botd. same range, better avg dmg, lower requirements. With the lower requirements, it'll be easier to get to max blocking. Max blocking is extremely important in melee pvp, because you need every edge you can get.

[ebyworx]

That doesn't really count. O.o

what do you mean they don't count? my lvl 85 wolfbarb was trashing barbs last night and he isn't even done yet.

wolfbarbs don't count... well then ww barbs dont count
:rant:

lol

[Asheron]

Well,let's say I haven't seen a good wolfbarb since 1.10 came out,thus my opinion on them sucking. O.O

Also,a good fury druid > wolfbarb any day

[ebyworx]

I can show you mine tonight if you like, you are on west right?

[Demoneye]

i have to addmit that wolfbarbs are cool and good depending on the player, but i'd rather stick to the original barb skills. BARBS ARE COOL :lol: .

yes berzerker axe would be better, but i'm the type of guy that enjoys using swords over all the other weps. so if i have 100 base str and enough dex to be max blocking at lvl lets say 99. how much points would i have left to put in vitality and what would my total hps be with maxed bo(slvl 20)?


BTW whats the highest slvl bo and others go up to. like ww and other skills too :scratch: ?

[mstrnicegui]

100 str and 222 dex (max block of ss at 99).
35 str base, 20 dex base, 25 vit base
15 stat points from quest rewards (lam essen's tome, 3 difficulties)
98 lvl ups * 5 stats/lvl = 490 stats +15 quest stats = 505 stats

100 - 35 = 65str
222 - 20 = 202dex

65 + 202 = 267 stats used
505 stats - 267 stats used = 238 vit
238 vit +25 vit base = 263 vit

That's not assuming any str/dex equipment bonuses, which will surely give you at least 30 more points for vit.

Skill points have no theoretical limit, but it is possible to get as high as a lvl 52 skill practically, before you run out of room.

[Asheron]

I can show you mine tonight if you like, you are on west right?

Sure,msg me sometime.