Little Thought on these TPPKs (Real Solution)

[ConnerMacleod]

Ok, I was kinda mad today because I was in a game and I felt like I was a WWI trench soldier. A TPPK-using necro joined up and a guy warned us and I went sprinting away. He successfully TPPKed a high level sorc that was assisting us with the runs. Guy had my BO and a Druid's Oak. That wasn't enough of course. I ran several runs with the guy, and I collected the ear as a momento.

So the next game I join, I tried something out, and this leads to two discussions.

First) What I did was I hit "Mute" on the TPPK, and then warned everyone that I was gonna hostile. I host'd and poof, no more TPPK. We went on to finish the run. So not only are they lame for TPPKing, they are also lame for using Chicken. Most Necros with the level of BS they have are GOING to have crappy gear, so that means they cannot duel.

Here's your solution guys, you can write letters until you are blue in the face and your keys lose the text on them, but Blizzard is going to do exactly what they did in 1.09 about TPPKs. Nothing. And that brings me to my next discussion.

Second) Because Blizz is going to do nothing about the TPPKs, that means the weight falls on our shoulders, and specifically this forum. And the weight is also going to fall on our mod ZappaFan to set up a permanent Sticky to do this, which will require his full support. And stop with the other game ZF, we need you here now more than ever.

You wanna play legit? This is the only way you are going to get it accomplished is by educating the HC Public.

Create a Sticky Thread that is just like the RIP thread. No discussions, no rants, just post something similar to:
Account Name:
Character Name:
Build Type: (Necro/Sorc/etc)
Found in: (Hell/NM/Norm)
Realm: (USEast/USWest/Europe)
Last seen: (date)

This is a sticky that is a long time coming. Otherwise, you can chalk up another game that is going to get uninstalled by the general public because there is no way people want to play SC after they go HC. Those of us that are actually dedicated to playing this game the right way would review this list and probably commit the names to memory. Also, the lurkers could review it just to see what's up. I'm just sick and tired of seeing PKs get a bad name at the expense of morons.

[Dahkar]

Good Idea. 2 threads in a row you have alot to say ^^.

[Phantom_Man]

Create a Sticky Thread that is just like the RIP thread. No discussions, no rants, just post something similar to:
Account Name:
Character Name:
Build Type: (Necro/Sorc/etc)
Found in: (Hell/NM/Norm)
Realm: (USEast/USWest/Europe)
Last seen: (date)

No comment. :innocent:

One definite problem that may arise is people who submit legit PKers. Some people are morons, so you pretty much have to account for that.

Phantom- :drink:

[ConnerMacleod]

No comment. :innocent:

One definite problem that may arise is people who submit legit PKers. Some people are morons, so you pretty much have to account for that.

Phantom- :drink:

That's why it will require ZappaFan's support and he'll have to be the one to delete and handle objections. I didn't say it, but you did. There are plenty of morons out there. Like the moron that said I was Blizz TPPKing in a game when I was not even a Blizz sorc!!! I was even legit PKing and waiting in town for the WP timer to expire when he came running up to say I was Blizz TPPKing. If someone with some knowledge sees a bad post and it's someone who has a reputation here on the forums, then they simply object to it and ZF deletes the post. And all he has to do is put in some Hardcore Not-To-Be-Broken rules.

Examples: Rule #1. Must post a screenshot of the person with a link. Imageshack provides FREE 1024K image hosting with unlimited uploads. Most people have Color Hack going when they TPPK, and it SHOWS color.

Also, it's real easy to spot that TPPK was USED in a screenie. Typically it shows:

TPPK-NoobNec declares hostility to you.
PoorLegit was slain by TPPK-NoobNec

In a TRUE and LEGIT PK attempt, you would see something along the lines of:
PK-LegitKiller declares hostility to you.
AS_MFBarb: wtf
AnotherBlizzSorc: bring it noob
AS_MFBarb: My run! gtfo!
ListyWisty: Here she comes! Get ready!
ShouldTPtoTown: lol
ShouldTPtoTown was slain by PK-LegitKiller

See the difference? If not, please refer to Phantom's post to understand your miscomprehension.

If ZF's not able to mod a thread llike this or doesn't want to... then it's pointless.

I thought I would help out the community with this idea, which is about the ONLY way you are going to counter the effects of this hack. I rarely level in groups unless I'm building a character like this BO Barb, but I know there are others out there that enjoy playing with strangers, crazy as that is. Like I said, if Blizz doesn't wanna do anything about it, we should. And I leave it at that for now.

[laughingtiger]

That's why it will require ZappaFan's support and he'll have to be the one to delete and handle objections. I didn't say it, but you did. There are plenty of morons out there. Like the moron that said I was Blizz TPPKing in a game when I was not even a Blizz sorc!!! I was even legit PKing and waiting in town for the WP timer to expire when he came running up to say I was Blizz TPPKing. If someone with some knowledge sees a bad post and it's someone who has a reputation here on the forums, then they simply object to it and ZF deletes the post. And all he has to do is put in some Hardcore Not-To-Be-Broken rules.

Examples: Rule #1. Must post a screenshot of the person with a link. Imageshack provides FREE 1024K image hosting with unlimited uploads. Most people have Color Hack going when they TPPK, and it SHOWS color.

Also, it's real easy to spot that TPPK was USED in a screenie. Typically it shows:

TPPK-NoobNec declares hostility to you.
PoorLegit was slain by TPPK-NoobNec

In a TRUE and LEGIT PK attempt, you would see something along the lines of:
PK-LegitKiller declares hostility to you.
AS_MFBarb: wtf
AnotherBlizzSorc: bring it noob
AS_MFBarb: My run! gtfo!
ListyWisty: Here she comes! Get ready!
ShouldTPtoTown: lol
ShouldTPtoTown was slain by PK-LegitKiller

See the difference? If not, please refer to Phantom's post to understand your miscomprehension.

If ZF's not able to mod a thread llike this or doesn't want to... then it's pointless.

I thought I would help out the community with this idea, which is about the ONLY way you are going to counter the effects of this hack. I rarely level in groups unless I'm building a character like this BO Barb, but I know there are others out there that enjoy playing with strangers, crazy as that is. Like I said, if Blizz doesn't wanna do anything about it, we should. And I leave it at that for now.

Great idea. I threw a similar idea out on the tppk letter writing thread asked people what they thougt of it. The response? Zip, Zero, Nada! (Monster Garage Rocks!) Anyways, I'll take notes whenever I get out to pubbies and run across these idiots. :thumbsup:

[Jedi]

i am sorry but how should i say it nice.... it is pointless ;)

it is common sense that the tppkers use maphack along with chickenhack. well eventhough i was never tppked but instead nearly killed one of them while he tried to collect the ear i think it is just plain logic to assume this.

further so called pk lists are wasted effort,wasted time and just energize the cheaters to enter a so called dark ranking.

then zappafan, if he would do so but i believe he is rational enough to not support this, has to sticky a
tppker list,
legit pker,
wpbugmissuserpker near legit,
maphack pk,
godhackdueler
blablabla
further he would be in need of a lot guys that control the uncontrolable namely the false accusations be it by just believing somebody was a cheater or by just trying to destroy somebodies reputation not to mention the wrong info about a legit pker put to the cheaters...

after around 2 pages of replies nobody cares about the guy with a cryptic name on page 1 middle...

oh and not to mention the chaos about different realms.

what i find surprising is that u argue heavily with stinger but on the other hand start a personal war vs unfair pvp O_o


i read the german pk list in 1.09 and surprisingly i found my brother in it who rarely hunted (but legit) the list was medium long but at the end i couldnt remember the first name anymore. the new lists for ver 1.10 were a lot shorter and people noticed that it makes no sense to list something like this. there isnt just ONE guy out that pks or uses tppk and he is able to create new chars within a few days anyway.

my 3 cents ;)
Jedi

[STINGER]

Doubt they will go for a "hit list" "warn list" like this as it is very hard to police. ZF is a forum mod, not the research leader for Diablo II TPPK hit list.

Too easy to get the wrong ppl on it.

Besides, you and i an everyone else knows it takes only hours to make a totally knew character especially for Norm and NM.

[ConnerMacleod]

Welp, it's official then. Pointless to complain about TPPKs because the work required to counter it is just too much. ZF doesn't play much anymore anyhow, and we rarely see him here enough to keep up with something like this. Shame of it is, this is about the only way you are going to counter it, because your letter writing campaign is falling on deaf ears.

I'm convinced that Blizzard is under orders to kill the game and make room. Those of us that play Hardcore are REALLY into the game. If we go, then it becomes like Diablo I. I don't see any server side patches, no bans, nothing. The policy down there is getting to be a "Give them enough rope" policy, because...

It's insane when you think about it. Why the hell does anyone play HC with parties in public? I'm also betting that they've done their research on it and they've found a majority of players play privately with friends or by themselves. Damned shame if you asked me that we get constantly ignored. :( Rather than do the "Can't beat em join em route", I'll just stick with buds.

[laughingtiger]

Welp, it's official then. Pointless to complain about TPPKs because the work required to counter it is just too much. ZF doesn't play much anymore anyhow, and we rarely see him here enough to keep up with something like this. Shame of it is, this is about the only way you are going to counter it, because your letter writing campaign is falling on deaf ears.

I'm convinced that Blizzard is under orders to kill the game and make room. Those of us that play Hardcore are REALLY into the game. If we go, then it becomes like Diablo I. I don't see any server side patches, no bans, nothing. The policy down there is getting to be a "Give them enough rope" policy, because...

It's insane when you think about it. Why the hell does anyone play HC with parties in public? I'm also betting that they've done their research on it and they've found a majority of players play privately with friends or by themselves. Damned shame if you asked me that we get constantly ignored. :( Rather than do the "Can't beat em join em route", I'll just stick with buds.

If you theory has merit, then I say Blizzard should put up a splash screen whenever one enters a realm saying:

"ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER" :scratch:

[ConnerMacleod]

If you theory has merit, then I say Blizzard should put up a splash screen whenever one enters a realm saying:

"ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER" :scratch:


Damn, I'm Emailing GF with that one. That's the best friggin' idea I've heard all season.

[Bongo Fury]

One definite problem that may arise is people who submit legit PKers.Why would a mythical legit PK worry about being put on such a list? If they truely were legit, they wouldn't have to worry about having their 'Chicken' triggered. And having someone else hostile them would just have them sporting some serious wood. :lol:

[Phantom_Man]

I personally don't care if I'm on the list. Any publicity is good publicity right? Main thing I'd hate is the idiot who screams out, "omgz, the level 29 werebear is teh trig pkzmlfjadfn." Don't really care if you just leave, but saying something like that deserves a beating.

Phantom- :drink:

[STINGER]

If every single player on Bnet knew that your lvl 29 was bad news and you waanted to make an all new one, new acct, new name how long would it take you? 3 hours maybe? If with no help maybe a bit more wiht a lot of help maybe a lot less. Hell wiht Enchant it is too damn simple and then at 20 cows and 24 Ancients and then if you blink you might screw up and hit 30 in Baal runs.


Only thing that will solve TPPK is Blizz and the only thing that will stop me from e-mailing them every day and multiple times a day is Blizz doing somehting about something.

Besides, I think Blizz put an autodelete in the support@blizzard.com spot as i get "not read" replys back from that one very fast!

[cyradis2003]

I wanna be on the list!!!

*runs in and tppk's conner with a carrot*

*races out laughing maiacally*

[nebby]

I'm convinced that Blizzard is under orders to kill the game and make room. The policy down there is getting to be a "Give them enough rope" policy, because...


Its about time you came around to my conspiracy theory view, Conner! I've said for months that a pointed effort by Blizz to not fix, nay, to even passively encourage hack use must be in place, even if it's "do something by doing nothing" policy. IF we continue to play D2X/C, why we would we buy WC3, WWC, SCIII, etc? Like your movie-name suggests:

"THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!"





As far as "rescuing" the game goes, your new bot idea could be helped along by clogging the games up with nothing but useless leech characters, like, gogo-grim-ward-barb! Enter games, hostile then leave. Do this enough, and chicken users will maybe get tired of being booted all the time, eh?

[Phantom_Man]

If every single player on Bnet knew that your lvl 29 was bad news and you waanted to make an all new one, new acct, new name how long would it take you? 3 hours maybe? If with no help maybe a bit more wiht a lot of help maybe a lot less. Hell wiht Enchant it is too damn simple and then at 20 cows and 24 Ancients and then if you blink you might screw up and hit 30 in Baal runs.

Nah, 5 or 6. I lub me full Hell rushes.

Phantom- :drink:

[ConnerMacleod]

@nebby: Actually, you aren't far from the truth. Why would I buy WoW? Simple, I won't. If I went into a game KNOWING there were backdoors and hacks, that's one thing. To be constantly lied to about a stance that doesn't exist is another. It will be no different with WoW. Get seven million copies sold, go on to next project, hire 1-2 people to patch the game.

[terrymanning]

hire 1-2 people to patch the game.

Nah, that's what interns are for.

[ConnerMacleod]

Nah, that's what interns are for.

LMAO :clap:

[nebby]

Nah, that's what interns are for.

So that's what's been wrong with the last 4 patches, eh? Incompetent interns messing it up!

Conner, I'd have to agree with you on that issue of "truth" in advertising. I guess there's two mitigating things there: (1) caveat emptor, as always. If we haven't learned by now that Blizz games are going to be hacked to peices eventually/constantly, then we are stupid, stupid lemmings and deserve what we get. (2) having said that, in some ways, the hacking & "side busisness" (ebay, botters, etc, etc) are a testament to BLizz games' popularity- if they weren't popular, no one would bother to hack them. And compared to some other games, where the cheats are built-in and published in gaming mags, Blizz games at least make the weak attempt to be legit at the front end. For a free online game, they don't do so bad, despite my oft-repeated curses hurled in their general direction. (now patch the game, or I shall taunt you a second time!)

Having said that, we now return you to your regularly scheduled Blizz-bashing.

[BlackOpal]

As far as "rescuing" the game goes, your new bot idea could be helped along by clogging the games up with nothing but useless leech characters, like, gogo-grim-ward-barb! Enter games, hostile then leave. Do this enough, and chicken users will maybe get tired of being booted all the time, eh?


Already done i made a low lvl dueler lvl 12 I join hostile those with chicken leave when they come back they reparty I hostile again they come back laugh that they turned off chicken i hostile they call me newb i go find/kill em :winner:

So far I have convinced 3 chicken users to turn off chicken I have their ears in my stash :thumbsup:

sometimes more for fun and to see reactions i join hell games with him and hostile usuall reaction i get is
" what a f**** newb lvl 12 hostiling"
I hostile again he leaves.
I usually dont stay around to see if they come back a 3rd time in hell games tho.

also ironicly named Chicken-Checker :lol:

[Raestlin]

I have a Bone Necro ... he's not tppk ... he's anti tppk.
:lol:

/w me if you need help with someone annoying.

[Afro AmeriZON]

Already done i made a low lvl dueler lvl 12 I join hostile those with chicken leave when they come back they reparty I hostile again they come back laugh that they turned off chicken i hostile they call me newb i go find/kill em :winner:

So far I have convinced 3 chicken users to turn off chicken I have their ears in my stash :thumbsup:

sometimes more for fun and to see reactions i join hell games with him and hostile usuall reaction i get is
" what a f**** newb lvl 12 hostiling"
I hostile again he leaves.
I usually dont stay around to see if they come back a 3rd time in hell games tho.

also ironicly named Chicken-Checker :lol:

LOL...you came into a bunch of games I was in the other day. At one point I think all of dropped except for me and we were laughing. Then there were times where no one dropped and you were like "aww no one with chicken, there's usually someone". People wanted to fight you and everything, it's great! Ruined the games but oh well, it was hilarious. :thumbsup:

You might have remembered me I was DriveBy_shootin an amazon. We laughed a couple times.

[nebby]

Already done i made a low lvl dueler lvl 12 ...
also ironicly named Chicken-Checker :lol:


LMAO! That's hilarious! The character's name is actually "Chicken-Checker"? That's priceless.


As far as fixing TPPKers, if we're wishing for Blizz to fix things, I'd like to vote for this: Blizz makes a server side patch that instantly kills (automatically 20K magic damage, whether in town or not; "Boner_X was slain by a mysterious force") any character that that does 3 things within a time limit: 1) casts spell 2) casts tp 3) hostiles anyone. Make the time limit the length of say, oh, a bone spirit duration, for instance. I'd pay for the game price again just to get to see a few tppker's bodies/ears laying in town, while they ***** and moan how unfair it is that they died while in town. Yep. I'd pay 20$ for that. Hell, I once paid 10$ to see "Seabiscuit", and that wasn't 1/100th as entertaining. Hear that G Frazier?

[terrymanning]

I'd pay for the game price again just to get to see a few tppker's bodies/ears laying in town, while they ***** and moan how unfair it is that they died while in town. Yep. I'd pay 20$ for that. Hell, I once paid 10$ to see "Seabiscuit", and that wasn't 1/100th as entertaining. Hear that G Frazier?

I'd cough up the price of the "Battle Chest" edition, $39.99, to see that.