View Full Version : POLL: Do YOU consider CS melee??
now there has been many threads arguing this, but i havnt seen a poll yet. So vote here for wat u think, and then dont argue with the figures!
mepersoner
04-08-2004, 04:45
I'm sorry kid, but you're answer #2 includes two answers. No it isn't a melee attack and it's bm to use in melee. IT IS MOST DEFINITELY a melee attack, but that doesn't mean that it's good mannered to use it in melee duels.
Just like whirlwind is melee as well. *sigh*
In my opinion, any skill wherein you stand right next to an opponent, and exchange blows with them is melee... That means, yes, i would conscider fire claws a melee attack, rabies, as well as the usual ones, conc, berserk etc. Basically, it doesnt matter much to me what kind of damage it deals, melee does not refrence a type of damage required to be a melee attack, Melee simply means what i said earlier (in my opinion) about it being a toe to toe exchange blows kind of attack.
For example, berserk is not physical damage, but its sure a melee attack.
-Matt
Does CS = Melee?
CS = Skill number 24
Melee = undefined
Does Skill number 24 = undefined?
ERROR! Unknown definition.
Inuyasha
04-08-2004, 06:16
Do you all want to know a REALLY easy way to tell if something is melee? SIMPLE! Get a freakin' zon, with maxed Dodge and get the attack in question used against it. If the zon dodges the attack after a few swings, then it's melee. otherwise, no. Let the game itself define it for you!
I guess it took an idiot like me to figure out somethin you geniouses were puzzling over.
Phyrexial
04-08-2004, 09:37
Is is melee, but its bm as was said before. I personally don't care for elemental attackers in melee duels so I would just absorb the hell out of them. CS on anyone that doesn't have at least Tgods on is basically a 1 hit kill, doesn't seem fair to me.
darius_paul
04-08-2004, 16:35
^^^^ exactly.
I chose no simply because U think its BM to use in melee duels even though it is melee. Smite and WW arent as bad because they dont usually 1 hit kill. Though I do love it when you slap on a 150+ res shield and t-gods then kill the zon. They get so mad.
darius_paul
04-08-2004, 16:45
I tried to edit but it was taking forever...
U = I.
mepersoner
04-08-2004, 16:54
That isn't the question, the question is IS IT MELEE? The first answer, Yes, it is a melee attack, sums it up. The second answer, no, it is bm to use in melee duels, isn't true simply because of the first part (no).
darius_paul
04-08-2004, 17:00
I did say it was melee. But said I chose no because I consider it BM in a melee duel game. My opinion. :uhhuh:
Inuyasha
04-08-2004, 18:24
IF IT CAN BE DODGED, ITS MELEE. And quit your complaining about it being a 1 hit killer. It can be countered, easily. I don't care whether it's "fair" in melee duels, but it seems that most people can't figure out what's melee anyways.
*grumbles* Goddamn b!tching zealots *grumbles*
We "geniuses" have already established it is melee, whatever the game thinks of it doesn't matter, so take the arrogant attitude somewhere else.
Inuyasha
04-08-2004, 21:45
Mule, hopefully I'm completely mistaken, and what you just said wasn't directed at me. OF COURSE it wasn't, because you ARE a genous, and you DID read what I posted, correct?
I've been saying this whole time it's melee and even got a way to prove it to these "geniouses". So I'll thank you very much for thinking next time.
CS is melee no matter what anybody says. If you think it is bm, then that's a completely different thing from melee in the first place so you should call it bm, not start complaining that it's not melee!
Absolute-Fire
04-08-2004, 23:51
well CS is not that hard to counter wihtout absorb~~ you can simply put some distraction(level 1 Hydra for enchantress, level 1 traps for ww asn) or having the faster attack(normal melee char) than that CS zon~~ and you will force that zon into dodge lock till they dead.....
Phyrexial
05-08-2004, 01:27
well CS is not that hard to counter wihtout absorb~~ you can simply put some distraction(level 1 Hydra for enchantress, level 1 traps for ww asn) or having the faster attack(normal melee char) than that CS zon~~ and you will force that zon into dodge lock till they dead.....
You can use any melee character you want, if you can beat a decent/good CS zon with zero res I'll be very impressed. This shouldn't be a problem because you know, they will be dodgelocked and all. :uhhuh:
I've been saying this whole time it's melee and even got a way to prove it to these "geniouses". So I'll thank you very much for thinking next time.
CS is melee no matter what anybody says. If you think it is bm, then that's a completely different thing from melee in the first place so you should call it bm, not start complaining that it's not melee!
I would guess that the poke or normal attack of the CS is Dodgeable, and the bolts are Avoidable. But I have not tested this in any way. I entirely agree with your "melee/bm" distinction! The question of whether anything is "melee" or not is irrelevant. I remember saying the same thing about the Eth bug in 09. People would make long stupid threads about whether it was a bug or not, and that was not a relevant issue at all.
where do u think cs fits in? i join a melee game and own all, but if i join a normal pk game, i can barely kill ANYTHING! any caster with enigma is just too hard to even touch, let alone break their absorb!
seems cs is a terrible dueling atk, cause u either own and get abused, or cant kill a thing and get abused as a "noob" :hanky:
Phyrexial
05-08-2004, 08:39
where do u think cs fits in? i join a melee game and own all, but if i join a normal pk game, i can barely kill ANYTHING! any caster with enigma is just too hard to even touch, let alone break their absorb!
seems cs is a terrible dueling atk, cause u either own and get abused, or cant kill a thing and get abused as a "noob" :hanky:
I don't see CS as being terribly viable as you are likely to get absorbed in both types of games. You'll just be hated more (probably nked, etc) in melee games and you'll be beaten horribly in normal games.
Mule, hopefully I'm completely mistaken, and what you just said wasn't directed at me. OF COURSE it wasn't, because you ARE a genous, and you DID read what I posted, correct?
I did indeed read what you posted:
"I guess it took an idiot like me to figure out somethin you geniouses were puzzling over."
Nobody (well, the local sane people) were puzzled over anything, "we" all knew, but you decided to post in an arrogant and belittling maner towards all here.
darius_paul
05-08-2004, 17:15
Mule, hopefully I'm completely mistaken, and what you just said wasn't directed at me. OF COURSE it wasn't, because you ARE a genous, and you DID read what I posted, correct?
I've been saying this whole time it's melee and even got a way to prove it to these "geniouses". So I'll thank you very much for thinking next time.
gen·ius
Not once, but twice. Id be annoyed with myself too. :cheesy: :lol:
Inuyasha
06-08-2004, 04:34
I did indeed read what you posted:
"I guess it took an idiot like me to figure out somethin you geniouses were puzzling over."
Nobody (well, the local sane people) were puzzled over anything, "we" all knew, but you decided to post in an arrogant and belittling maner towards all here.
Wake up. There are plenty of votes for CS being non-melee. Apparently, a few people still haven't figured that out, and guess what: you aren't helping. Also, how the hell did you possibly put such a spin on it that it became "belittling" and "arrogant"? Please specify what I said to enforce that, what you percieved, and what you were smoking.
Also, I realize that after your first post I've become a complete *******, but this can't count because it was after you're piece of history there.
Edit: Oh and darius, i am well aware of that. Don't expect me to ever be the epitome of intellegence.
darius_paul
06-08-2004, 15:11
Edit: Oh and darius, i am well aware of that. Don't expect me to ever be the epitome of intellegence.
Im dont really care for the most part. Just dont run for president. :lol: :thumbsup:
Wake up. There are plenty of votes for CS being non-melee. Apparently, a few people still haven't figured that out, and guess what: you aren't helping. Also, how the hell did you possibly put such a spin on it that it became "belittling" and "arrogant"? Please specify what I said to enforce that, what you percieved, and what you were smoking.
I don't care about the vote, you didn't specify it was the voters you found to be "geniuses". I also quoted the statement (you do know a real quote from a forum quote right?) I find to be belitteling and arrogant, I assume you are able to read, but then again I have been told not to assume.
Inuyasha
06-08-2004, 16:53
Well, sorry that I didn't specify. I meant geni-um...-oxes sarcastically for them, not for you (I've seen your work with the FAQ's, and knew that you'd realize the whole CS melee thing.)
I also have no idea how you find that belittling in any way, seeing as I am calling myself an idiot, and only trying to solve something that they couldn't figure out. I didn't call THEM idiots for not knowing, and I didn't try to rub it in their faces. What's so wrong about this? How did you read it? WTF DID I DO WRONG?
By calling yourself an idiot and providing your "solution", you're basically saying those who didn't know are dumber than you, hence dumber than an idiot. That's rude. Anyway, I don't want to continue this, so I'll drop it before there's hard feelings.
The reason that I think this is a melee is because your actually using your self as a weapon, not standing in one spot or running while what ever your skill was you used hits the enemy and. Well you know. This never ending debate is almost as annoying as the WW for a barb, we all know that it is really melee and those who have not successful found a way to kill a barb doing WW cry and say it not melee. If it isn’t then why are you hitting the opponent with your weapon or what ever you are holding? I just think people should have more smarts than complains. Obviously CS is melee if it wasn’t then charge for a paladin shouldn’t be considered melee or any melee skills at all. I have to say is if someone’s complaining about a skill your using there obviously either getting poned or there just morons so just ignore then and gold snatch or something. :lol:
Inuyasha
06-08-2004, 22:09
Oh..... I never meant it like that. I'm at the bottom of the pyramid and I know it, I was just trying to point something out that I didn't think they had concidered.
don't try to read too much into what I say like that. I'm not trying to create any second-meanings here.
XenocideXXI
08-08-2004, 20:13
In my opinion, any skill wherein you stand right next to an opponent, and exchange blows with them is melee...
Well Matt that logic doesnt really work. Any char can stand right next to a person and hit their opponent. So what a sorc might die by doin that but it doesnt mean she cant do it. I mean a sorc can deal u a "blow" by standing right beside u, but its with a magical fireball. Most of the time thats what they do anyways. Tele right beside u and BOOM uve been fireballed and they will probably take a swing at u as well. Now if that isn't "exchanging blows" then i dont know what is.
Speederländer
08-08-2004, 20:22
Good ww-sins get the vast majority of their damage through venom with the ed stacking bug and the -100% plr penalty in hell. Venom is a pure elemental attack. Who knows what exactly open wounds is ><. Magic damage is also fairly significant. In any case, physical damage is definitely secondary for ww-sins. At what point does elemental overcome physical and someone cease to be "melee"? It's all arbitrary. Who cares anyway? What matters is making a good dueler that you enjoy and that does well. These esoteric arguments about "is ww melee?" or "is CS REALLY melee?" are pointless in the end and really serve no purpose beyond forum chatter.
vi3txpryd3
10-08-2004, 10:16
Good ww-sins get the vast majority of their damage through venom with the ed stacking bug and the -100% plr penalty in hell. Venom is a pure elemental attack. Who knows what exactly open wounds is ><. Magic damage is also fairly significant. In any case, physical damage is definitely secondary for ww-sins. At what point does elemental overcome physical and someone cease to be "melee"? It's all arbitrary. Who cares anyway? What matters is making a good dueler that you enjoy and that does well. These esoteric arguments about "is ww melee?" or "is CS REALLY melee?" are pointless in the end and really serve no purpose beyond forum chatter.
hey can you explain to me what the venom ed stacking bug is and how do people use it?
thx
btw i think cs is melee
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