best dueling char...?

[CrimsonRage]

Hey I'm looking to make a dueling char, but I dunno what to build...

Does anyone know of a strong, fun build I can make? Please like what equipment you would use...

Please lists favorites and why you liked them...

Also keep in mind I'm kinda poor, so please don't like all godly stuff I'll never get my hands on... i.e. don't tell me to use BotD eth zerk and a denigma... it'll never happen and won't be of any help to me...

thanks in advance for any useful info on fun dueling chars...

I already have a fury druid, martial and trapsins, zealer, WW barb...

[Weltkriegpally]

at the risk of sounding like an ***....

there is no best. There are good characters and better characters, but it depends more on your skill and willingness to learn your dueler. My suggestion, go read the guides in the strategy compendium and then decide from there. If you have any questions after that, then go ask in their respective forums or here.

--welt

[Phyrexial]

And don't expect to do incredibly well if you're poor. PvP has always been a rich man's sport sadly.

I would recomend a sorc. They can be very powerful with minimal gear and have an inherent teleport.

[piroteuss]

yup blizz sorc is good even without good items.

[Alexsc25]

Well, blizz sorc will die every 10 seconds without good items unless the person has good fcr/tele skills. Also, just by slapping on 2 ravens blizz sorcs do 40-50 dmg per blizzard to me, and out of my 5k+ life... yea. If you can afford a gris caddy and a ss, build a wolfbarb. Cheap (Price wise) yet very successful if you play them right. Look for the guide in the barbarian forum.

[CrimsonRage]

Welt--

I know that the title of this thread suggests I was looking for the best, but my post was simply asking which char would be a fun, formidable dueling char. thanks to everybody else that posted their favs, too. Keep posting!!!!

:lol:

Thanks.

[LordDrift]

Bone Necro's always have their range and unabsorbable attacks

[UndeadBehlial]

Bone Necro's always have their range and unabsorbable attacks
yeah but eh specifically said no enigma.

bone necro could still work, just get a lot of FRW, and the equip is relatively cheap. Other than that theres Templar, but people tend to be lightning immune these days. Still for those who arent, you would kick @$$. I'd recommend a Smite/FoH combo, that wayn you can stun your enemies and with proper FCR they wont have a chance to become unstunned. Also this allows a pretty decent range of equipment.

That or a sorc. a plain ol' fire sorc can own without any fancy equipment, and no skill charm eather really, just get 1 pt in teleport.

[NecroManiac]

i say u try a good ole' sword/shield barb, Grandfathers and Cruel weapons r actaully cheap now adays, make him the classical style with shaft and all those good 1.09 items that people rarely use anymore. Thats gonna be my new project after my nec.

[yuqing]

trappers are always good, u can buy the 3 trap claws from anya, it'll take some time but atleast ur able to get em, imo trappers own! :clap:

[Inuyasha]

But if you choose to be a trapper expect to be called many things. Trappers are IMHO the lest skill class known, because all they do is try to pin you in place and have little sentries shoot at you. Every duel with them comes down to one thing. If you have faster hit recovery, you win. If you don't, you lose. What's the point?

S/S barbs have no power anymore due to axes being better in every way possible. No wonder GFs and Cruel swords are cheap, they're obsolete. Of course, If you're doing it just for the classical feel, then go right ahead.

[allaanon]

Trappers:

You will own people with bad resists and no absorb.

If they do have 85+ and some absorb, you need max gear to take them out with lightning. You will not touch these people without atleast a lvl 32 sentry. Really, you need more than that.

Don't listen to them saying it takes no skill. Sure, you can just lay your traps and let them work, but thats not even close to the power of the build. People will say bad things to you when dueling, but they do that to the other classes to. People just dont like dying and need to make excuses for it. As far as duels coming down to FHR, again, wrong. The only people that really beat me on a consistent basis are those with 95lr, some absorb, and huge def. (Def because I use my 1 point in DT and 1 in DF for absorbers)

It's a fun powerful build. But dont expect it to beat everyone. All it takes is resists and one absorb (lots of people wear t-gods) and you will heal them. Just realize that going in. I wish someone had told me.

[Inuyasha]

Even with 85lr and some absorb, anyone without FHR is toast because you are constatnly MBing them anyways. With enough FHR the trapper is dead because MB is ineffective and the traps won't be hitting as often. There is no more argueing about it.

Don't listen to them saying it takes no skill. Sure, you can just lay your traps and let them work, but thats not even close to the power of the build.

Well then, what is? Thank you for extensively informing us about the many strategies usable. (TRAPTRAPTRAPTRAP, MB MB MB MB MB MB MB MB MB MB)

As far as duels coming down to FHR, again, wrong.

How so? without it anyone against you just stands there dumbly. With it, they easily chase you down, shoot you down, stare you down, and anything else. You seem to be more than able to state your opinions, but can't seem to back them up with anything.

If you win with a trapper, it can barely be called a victory because it is only against a noob with no FHR that can only stand there. If you lose with one, then it only makes you all the more pathetic. Whats the point?

[Kazuya-Mishima]

caster druids are pritty fun w/ hurricane and tornado and not only is it good but its a pritty fun build.
+ele shield is incredibly useful for druids and any types of summons -crows/oak are pritty cool also.

[ThereisnoPeace]

Well then, what is? Thank you for extensively informing us about the many strategies usable. (TRAPTRAPTRAPTRAP, MB MB MB MB MB MB MB MB MB MB)

pls, that represents a noob trapper, a REAL trapsins strategy is, "go" run out tele to (aggressive) trap mb tele trap tele tele chase or switch to (defensive) mb tele lay tele tele, quit stereotyping asn's cuz you've had bad luck with some. it gets OLD, asn is the most absorbed character on this game and still cry cry cry, cry about necs cuz they cant be absorbed. or something else.

as for the main point of this thread trapsin rich or poor is very good whether starting out or the veteran player, dont listen to these hypocrites who complain about 5 traps killin them all because there cookie cutter fb sorcs or blizz sorcs made to one hit kill didnt do sufficiant enough to there liking.

Whats the point?
exactly, whats the point, the point is, the game was made the way it is, crying about something will not change it..

if you dont like it, none of us here are holding you back from quitting and playin somethin else...

if theres no point, then quit, and go play simpson's road rage or somethin besides complaining about how and what the game does and why...

[allaanon]

Trappers:

I made my post to show that its not as easy as people say. Again, you will kill noobs very easy with this build, but good duelers will not even give you a chance unless you have VERY good equipment.

Its obvious you have never played this build if you think that is all the strategy it takes. 95% of the people you duel will stack resists and absorb on you. With 80 points put into traps you really need to be darn good to beat them. Utilize DT/DF. Learn the placement of traps best used against each other class. How does that class typically attack, how does that class defend. Last time you engaged PlayerX where did he flee, did he leave himself open to MB/DF, will he be agressive and chase you into layed traps.

With traps showing up on map hack this makes being a trapper even tougher. You must be agressive or they will never come near your traps.

Honestly when I duel I rarely stun lock someone. Most great duelers have the high FHR or a skill on switch to escape.

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Again, to the original poster. Trapsin is fun, but dont expect to be king without VERY good equipment. Even then, you will lose occasionaly, and pally's/barb's can beat ya pretty easy (with lr/absorb/def).

[hks489]

Enchant sorc. not really an ownage character, but really fun. You have horrible AR but if u hit someone, it's almost a one hit kill

[ThereisnoPeace]

Trappers:

I made my post to show that its not as easy as people say. Again, you will kill noobs very easy with this build, but good duelers will not even give you a chance unless you have VERY good equipment.

Its obvious you have never played this build if you think that is all the strategy it takes. 95% of the people you duel will stack resists and absorb on you. With 80 points put into traps you really need to be darn good to beat them. Utilize DT/DF. Learn the placement of traps best used against each other class. How does that class typically attack, how does that class defend. Last time you engaged PlayerX where did he flee, did he leave himself open to MB/DF, will he be agressive and chase you into layed traps.

With traps showing up on map hack this makes being a trapper even tougher. You must be agressive or they will never come near your traps.

Honestly when I duel I rarely stun lock someone. Most great duelers have the high FHR or a skill on switch to escape.

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Again, to the original poster. Trapsin is fun, but dont expect to be king without VERY good equipment. Even then, you will lose occasionaly, and pally's/barb's can beat ya pretty easy (with lr/absorb/def).

Exactly!

P.S. to everyone, sorry about my previous post as it sounds like a flame, I was just venting, I'm sooo tired of hearing ppl complain about the most bm'd / absorb'd class, because they cant comprehend that different builds require different gear to fight against, and me being a trapper, hell ya i have different absorb gear in stash, because I KNOW, that the "little" minds of most ppl on b.net think its the cheapest class, when there are others harder and unabsorbable, (example: hammerdin - has salvation, res shields, 1-2 hit kills, necro - has teeth (area), spear (fast length), spirit (follows)) so what in the world is the big deal with the asn, its made in the game no way around it, get used to it, like I have to get used to absorbers, I dont like it, but I dont throw little hissy fits about it either.

[ThereisnoPeace]

Enchant sorc. not really an ownage character, but really fun. You have horrible AR but if u hit someone, it's almost a one hit kill

those are real fun, good idea hks

also you could try the "ninja" asn, that relies on shuriken and blade fury / sentinal etc. those are real unique and fun to play.

[Stormshield]

The most fun I've had dueling, in D2C, D2X from 1.08-1.09 and now in 1.10 would have to be the whirlwind barb. Requires a lot of time and patience to get the gear together, but once you get everything right, there's nothing more fun (at least in my opinion.)

Just get a feel for what kind of character you like best, and then look at some of the PvP builds built around those classes. Find one you think you'd like, and then start asking questions.

[Inuyasha]

Well, allanon, you cleared it up. I'm sorry if I sounded to aggresive about it.

However, now Im on to Thereisnopeace. Firstly, wtf are you trying to say. If you bother to read my entire post then you wouldn't have said something as ridiculously irrelevant and thoughtless as:


Originally Posted by Inuyasha
Whats the point?

exactly, whats the point, the point is, the game was made the way it is, crying about something will not change it..

if you dont like it, none of us here are holding you back from quitting and playin somethin else...

if theres no point, then quit, and go play simpson's road rage or somethin besides complaining about how and what the game does and why...

Apparently you didn't seem to know what I meant.

quit stereotyping asn's cuz you've had bad luck with some. it gets OLD, asn is the most absorbed character on this game and still cry cry cry, cry about necs cuz they cant be absorbed. or something else.

Holy crap. The first time I read this all I could do is laugh because you were just rambling like a drunken hobo. I wasn't *****in' about them, being cheap, because there are more than enough ways to nerf them, and I have no idea how the hell noobs like you still manage to read something into that that isn't there. Wishful thinking, eh?

EDIT: Well, I'm sorry. I guess this is too aggresive as well. My point being, read before you post. If everybody in the world would do that, I'm sure alot more forum-rage would be avoided. I respect your opinions, as long as they are thought out.

[ThereisnoPeace]

Well, allanon, you cleared it up. I'm sorry if I sounded to aggresive about it.

However, now Im on to Thereisnopeace. Firstly, wtf are you trying to say. If you bother to read my entire post then you wouldn't have said something as ridiculously irrelevant and thoughtless as:



Apparently you didn't seem to know what I meant.



Holy crap. The first time I read this all I could do is laugh because you were just rambling like a drunken hobo. I wasn't *****in' about them, being cheap, because there are more than enough ways to nerf them, and I have no idea how the hell noobs like you still manage to read something into that that isn't there. Wishful thinking, eh?

EDIT: Well, I'm sorry. I guess this is too aggresive as well. My point being, read before you post. If everybody in the world would do that, I'm sure alot more forum-rage would be avoided. I respect your opinions, as long as they are thought out.

Well your on to me eh? I can take more than you can dish out buddy and I got all the patience and ignorance in the world to dish out, so don't type like your trying to intimidate someone....however, I will just leave it at that and instead of being irrogant and inconsiderate this time, I'm gonna say, that the post about the stereotyping was not to YOU, it was more of a venting deal to the general public about how "most" people generalize us assassin players.

about the what is the point reply, that was to you, because you were pretty much saying ANYONE that plays trappers are complete morons because all we do is trap trap trap mb mb mb saying we have no strategy and if we kill someone its cuz of fhr and if we lose its cuz we suck period....that is ignorance to say the least, and I dont think its appropriate to call me a "noob" when you have never spoke or dueled me before, I've probably got more experience at this game then you will ever seem to get, but I will not run around here calling you a noob because we had a disagreement on something.

and last but not least, I do read and think hard about what I read and post, dont accuse me of being a little hooked-on-phonics punk when you dont know me...now if YOU read and think about what I posted about THEN say I sound like a drunk hobo, until then, Ill be awaiting your response.

[prelude]

i made a godly anti sorceress kicksin while staying under about a 3ist budget lol

[Stormshield]

I've got to agree with Peace on this one, and on pretty much... everything.

A) I've dueled plenty of SKILLED trapsins. They were FAR from being newbs.

2) Calling Peace a newb because you had a disagreement sort of shows you're rather childish, doesn't it?

Third) If by "nerfing" assassins you mean "absorbing" then yes, you're correct. There are plenty of ways to absorb them. Your theory about stacking fhr to counter mind blast is partially inaccurate as well. Mindblast DOES do most of it's damage due to the fact that it stuns, and thus causes automatic-fhr. Another LARGE portion of the reason its' so effective is because of the instant fhr, and knockback it causes when it hits. Even with the maximum fhr, which on a werewolf druid iirc is 2fpa, you're going to get knocked back, which gives the traps a chance to hit you. Stacking all that fhr is rather pointless, because your life, damage, and resists are all going to suffer heavily acheiving a number around 150% faster hit recovery. Much less getting over 100 with any other character (I had 56% on my necromancer, and mindblast/traps still managed to partially lock me.

IV) Your theory on how trapsins duel (TRAPTRAPTRAPTRAP MBMBMBMBMBMBMBMBMB If I recall correctly?) Is TOTALLY inaccurate. It's more like Trap Trap MB Trap MB Trap Trap MB. Placement of traps is very important, as is hand-eye coordination and speed for namelocking with mindblast. It's fairly obvious you've either tried using a trapsin and sucked, or haven't even attempted one.

Lastly) Please, if you disagree with someone, don't resort to name-calling. It makes you look childish, and gives people the impression you're a total moron. (No, this isn't intended as an insult, it's a piece of advice. I suggest you take it.)

And yes, my mis-matched listing was done intentionally.

[hks489]

At first i was just gonna type "noob" but then it said i had to type 10 characters or more hahaha

[Inuyasha]

Honestly, If you had a less aggresive and ignorant-seeming way of giving your facts, I would've been more than happy to listen to you. But starting off with:
quit stereotyping asn's cuz you've had bad luck with some. it gets OLD, asn is the most absorbed character on this game and still cry cry cry, cry about necs cuz they cant be absorbed. or something else.
Doesn't exactly give me the basis of creating a respectable and informed picture of you.

As I've said, I respect your opinions. You just really have the wrong way of bringing them to my attention, and if you were to make yourself sound less whiny you would have me agreeing with you by now.

[UndeadBehlial]

haha guys!!!! first of all: crimson who STARTED this topic, says he already has a trapper.

But while you're arguing....
If you lose to a trapper, you should have just as much shame as losing to anyone else. Traps fire pretty slowly, so with a decent amount of FRW you shouldnt have a problem in the world dodging traps. So whats the real issue? Spamming MB? If a trapper can lay traps insanely fast (which is IAS) and still has enough FCR to spam MB efficiently, then he has a great gear setup. But when other classes have great gear and skill pt distribution its skill... I dont understand that. a FB sorc can be off screen shooting FB in every direction... bone necros are rarely seen on screen (heck how is teleporting away and shooting a heat-seeking missile considered LESS cheap?? Sounds like more cheap to me...). So Inuasha if you dont agree by now then you have just made up your mind and dont want to change it :)

[ThereisnoPeace]

Alright first off, I didn't mean to come off "whiny", however, you came off a bit aggressive, and put yourself in my shoes, your dedicated to a type of character, one that has believe it or not possibly kept you interested in a game so aggravating and depressing sometimes. so you put all this hard work and dedication into a guy you love so much, just to turn around and have a new thread (daily, I should remind you) saying how cheap it is, and if you play one your a loser and if you lose to one you suck even worse. that is not how people should be responded / treated with in this game. you say you respect my opinions yet contradictary to what you say, you dont respect what i do. am I making sense or sounding like a drunk hobo again t.t? but hopefully this post you will see why I said what I said.

[AvatarMyth]

FHR really wont help against a mb assn, 20 points in MB is like 6-8 secs of stun, cut to 1/4 is still a secound or two which is all we need to get the traps to hit you, after 1 mb we will know how much fhr you have and how to deal with you. and IMO if you have to make urself completely invinciable against your opponent what is the point of dueling and it just shows how rich u are, not how powerful. really it just shows u suck hard ***. of course when i duel i xpect people to use tgods and guardian angel, thats fine, dosnt bother me but when i see sum 1 come out with light saber/2x whisps/black horn face/guarian angel/tgods i get my necro and own them. sure being 1 element kinds sux, leaves us with a distvantge against some charcters (by some characters i mean dumb asses who cant win without absorb). im mean every once and a while its nice to see a pally (usualy pallies r the ones to kill me, or absorb newbs) who can kill me with nothing more than tgods. it doesnt take skill to use absorb, and though u dont think it does, it takes skill to play a trapper. bow zons shoot guided arrows but you dont complain, necros trap them selves in a huge barrier of bone and then deceph you and bone spirit you with their 125 fcr and bone prison you, ortele away when you get to close. but noooooo thats not cheap. so if u dont want todeal wih newb absorbers dont make a trapper or at least get mh if you do to see how much absorb they got on. not trying to sound like a flame and if it does i apologize, my dumb *** remarks are not intended twords any specific person in this forum.

[Stormshield]

sorry to suddenly take this OT, but... Hey, Peace. Check your PM's!

[The_Sickness_101]

Skilled and trapper in the same sentence :lol: . Yeah, no matter what way you spin it, it is extremely easy to use a trapper. I made a trapper once and :sleep: :sleep: boring. This is just my opinion however. No trapper, no matter how good you are, is invincible. Blackthorns, wisps, tgods, and even lightsaber if u wanna go crazy will negate any assassin as long as you have around 85 light res.

[Stormshield]

Skilled and trapper in the same sentence :lol: . Yeah, no matter what way you spin it, it is extremely easy to use a trapper. I made a trapper once and :sleep: :sleep: boring. This is just my opinion however. No trapper, no matter how good you are, is invincible. Blackthorns, wisps, tgods, and even lightsaber if u wanna go crazy will negate any assassin as long as you have around 85 light res.

Until they switch to Wake of Fire and start Fireblasting you ^^

[AvatarMyth]

trappers are easy to use. we agree on that. but if you have to max absorb and resists then your character cant defeat a good trapper without making it useless, your character sucks and needs to be re-made. there is nothing wrong with tgods and a guardian angel, even a whisp wont help all to much against a fully synergized +15-25 skill trapper. But thats what we get for being so powerful, people who suck must be *** wholes. And then yall complain when we beat you. We are newbs with low amage traps. well those low damage traps just owned you. thats y i use mh, so i can see if ima go up againts som *** whole and then ask him to take it off. if he dont ill just bring in another character, just as simple as that.

[Inuyasha]

Alright first off, I didn't mean to come off "whiny", however, you came off a bit aggressive, and put yourself in my shoes, your dedicated to a type of character, one that has believe it or not possibly kept you interested in a game so aggravating and depressing sometimes. so you put all this hard work and dedication into a guy you love so much, just to turn around and have a new thread (daily, I should remind you) saying how cheap it is, and if you play one your a loser and if you lose to one you suck even worse. that is not how people should be responded / treated with in this game. you say you respect my opinions yet contradictary to what you say, you dont respect what i do. am I making sense or sounding like a drunk hobo again t.t? but hopefully this post you will see why I said what I said.

Okay, I took some time away from the forums to clear my head (anger management really does jack ***** for me) and I'd like to apologize. I get what you're saying, and though I don't agree with it, and never will, I think that now we can solve this like civilized people. Each to each's own. One Banana, two banana. Don't eat cheese before noon.

Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing it's idiot.

[yuqing]

u know, u sound just like inuyasha