Whirlwind assassin good?

[HolyKnight_S]

I have heard many diffent oppinions about the whirlwind assassin. And I'm wondering if it's a good dueler for softcore. When I say good I mean prettty good. Is it better than the bone necro? Some poeple say no some say yes. So if you have a whirlwind assassin or have seen one in action, please give me some info. I'm decidding wether to make one or not.

Thanks

[Omikron8]

If a bone necro is great at teleporting, has massive life/mana, block, DR, etc. and aims teeth/spear well then 99%+ builds will be obliterated by him. A whirlwind assasins can hit him by using dragon flight and then quickly switching to a short whirlwind but by that time you may get 5x 4k spears in the face.

A whirlwind assasin against other casters is amazing because most pub casters don't have block and are ripped apart by whirlwind+venom+open wounds.

[HolyKnight_S]

How can a necro ahve massive life/mana and Great blocking? That's what people would like but how could that be possible? Unless when you say massive life do you mean like 900 and 300 mana?

[Phyrexial]

Through the use of the Call To Arms runeword and good charms mainly. My necro without any lifer charms has 900-1000 or so life prior to casting Battle Orders with CtA. After, he hits as high as 1800 and I have max block. And consider that I'm a fairly poor dueler.

With 10 p/b grand charms with around 35 life each (40 being ideal), that's alot of life. A block necro could hit around 2500 life with good charms, probably more. A vita necro could get 3k or more most likely.

[D1ce]

Either can be good if you take the time to get better with them, but against Heavy Melee [Some Paladins, Most Barbs on NL], you will need mass OW to kill. Against casters, you shouldn't have too much trouble if your skills abd gear are comparable.

[Phyrexial]

I don't know about that Dice. I'd say you're easily as skilled as me if not more so, but I still won most of our duels. I believe the necro definetly has the advantage.

[LLD-Vampire]

Since when do necs have a lot of DR?
Shako 10
Enigma 8
18? Even if you have ber shako and ber hommy (most go with ums for resist not bers.) Thats 34. Maybe I'm missing something. A good ww sin can just massacure 95% of casters. If you get enough AR (2 angelic rings and ammy) you can probably do pretty nicely vs melees too.

[Omikron8]

Since when do necs have a lot of DR?
Shako 10
Enigma 8
18? Even if you have ber shako and ber hommy (most go with ums for resist not bers.) Thats 34. Maybe I'm missing something. A good ww sin can just massacure 95% of casters. If you get enough AR (2 angelic rings and ammy) you can probably do pretty nicely vs melees too.

The necro doesn't really need high DR. Venom can be counteracted (even with bramble) easily enough by 75 poison res in hell, even more if you want to wear death's gloves. Whirlwind assasins have low physical damage which is mostly absorbed by marrowalk-bug bone armor. Unless the assasin also has enigma (slightly pointless with high burst of speed and dragon flight) she will get a faceful of spears as soon as she teleports onto the necro (assuming he has max block and good life).

[soulesschild]

The necro doesn't really need high DR. Venom can be counteracted (even with bramble) easily enough by 75 poison res in hell, even more if you want to wear death's gloves. Whirlwind assasins have low physical damage which is mostly absorbed by marrowalk-bug bone armor. Unless the assasin also has enigma (slightly pointless with high burst of speed and dragon flight) she will get a faceful of spears as soon as she teleports onto the necro (assuming he has max block and good life).

my necro has anywhere from 2.8k-3.3k life if i want to prebuff, 820 bone armor, 75 all res, 75% block, 56 fhr, 43 DR, i eat ww sins.

[LLD-Vampire]

my necro has anywhere from 2.8k-3.3k life if i want to prebuff, 820 bone armor, 75 all res, 75% block, 56 fhr, 43 DR, i eat ww sins.
43%DR gear please?

I didn't say necs needed dr you said "massive life/mana, block, DR, etc." I said 18 wasnt massive.

[dumbpig]

lld stop arguing with ppl that are 500x better than you, we all know u kinda suck, and you're really trying too hard to have an opinion on everything

~aside: it makes you look pretty stupid

[LLD-Vampire]

lld stop arguing with ppl that are 500x better than you, we all know u kinda suck, and you're really trying too hard to have an opinion on everything

~aside: it makes you look pretty stupid
No really does rpgforums have a squelch button? Clearly no mods care about dumbpig spamming in every one of my threads about how much I suck.

[Phyrexial]

@LLD-Vampire: To answer your question, he's probably subbing in a Stormshield. That's 35% DR, combined with Enigma's 8% grants 43% total.

@dumbpig: Vamp asked a question (its one of those things we do here on the forums) because he simply didn't understand something. He wasn't arguing that 43% DR isn't reasonably possible, he just stated he didn't see how it would be done. I think you need to stop looking for fights and put your supposedly huge wealth of knowledge to better use.

[LLD-Vampire]

@LLD-Vampire: To answer your question, he's probably subbing in a Stormshield. That's 35% DR, combined with Enigma's 8% grants 43% total.

@dumbpig: Vamp asked a question (its one of those things we do here on the forums) because he simply didn't understand something. He wasn't arguing that 43% DR isn't reasonably possible, he just stated he didn't see how it would be done. I think you need to stop looking for fights and put your supposedly huge wealth of knowledge to better use.
Good point. Haha wait for the flames from piggy on this one.

[dumbpig]

well the reasonable thing to say is... before wasting bandwidth on figuring out how 35 from ss + 8 from engima can = 43, we have to consider lld-vampire's transcendence of the category of "adolescent 13 year old boys" which he so looks down on.

now.. i dont know for other people, but as for me, i am quite familar with ss having 35 dr, and engima having eight, and lld-vamp being an experienced dueler, similarly would know this basic fact.

we can only conclude that lld-vampire has an IQ roughly equal to his shoe size.

now, phyrexial, if i told you that a tele necro got zealed to death, or that a druid basically tried to tank a barb while using his lidless, you would probably not think much of his advice. lld-vampire fits this description to the speck and is all over the forums trying to make himself looking like a big shot. thats fine with me..... but he should be fine with my comments, since they tell no lie and are pretty reasonable.

[LLD-Vampire]

well the reasonable thing to say is... before wasting bandwidth on figuring out how 35 from ss + 8 from engima can = 43, we have to consider lld-vampire's transcendence of the category of "adolescent 13 year old boys" which he so looks down on.

now.. i dont know for other people, but as for me, i am quite familar with ss having 35 dr, and engima having eight, and lld-vamp being an experienced dueler, similarly would know this basic fact.

we can only conclude that lld-vampire has an IQ roughly equal to his shoe size.

now, phyrexial, if i told you that a tele necro got zealed to death, or that a druid basically tried to tank a barb while using his lidless, you would probably not think much of his advice. lld-vampire fits this description to the speck and is all over the forums trying to make himself looking like a big shot. thats fine with me..... but he should be fine with my comments, since they tell no lie and are pretty reasonable.
99% of necs I see in pubs don't run around with ss on. Thanks for that long *** explanation for me not thinking enough to care.

*sigh* I don't mind the tele nec one to much, but really must you continue to claim my druid was using a lidless?

Also as for the nec if you won't currently duel me I can only conclude that you are scared of someone whos IQ is equal to that of his shoe size.

[mepersoner]

You're all bad in comparison to me.

[Herald of Doom]

You're all bad in comparison to me.
I agree. Everyone should shut up and stop posting and only read what mep has to say ! Staaarting.... NOW !

HoD

[D1ce]

I don't know about that Dice. I'd say you're easily as skilled as me if not more so, but I still won most of our duels. I believe the necro definetly has the advantage.

Errr, sorry I generalized. Against High FHR/Block/Tele casters, you will have much problems without a lot of practice. I would say duel me again and we'll see but I am busy with Counter-Strike atm ^_^

[soulesschild]

43%DR gear please?

I didn't say necs needed dr you said "massive life/mana, block, DR, etc." I said 18 wasnt massive.

Obviously I have storm shield on, how the hell would you get 43 any other way? Lets think, 18 from a bered shako, 8 from enigma, 8 from a bered shield, gives 34, if i wear a verdungos or SoE, thats what, 49? You could take some time to think about it if you really tried. if you want to duel me with a WWsin or whatever, you can message me, or with any of your characters, oh so experienced one. Best out of 5, standard GM duels.

*souless-pvp

[LordDrift]

yea settle it by dueling, my necro barely if not ever loses to a WWsin if i use SS, most public duelers uve seen probably don't know what they are doing

[LLD-Vampire]

Obviously I have storm shield on, how the hell would you get 43 any other way? Lets think, 18 from a bered shako, 8 from enigma, 8 from a bered shield, gives 34, if i wear a verdungos or SoE, thats what, 49? You could take some time to think about it if you really tried. if you want to duel me with a WWsin or whatever, you can message me, or with any of your characters, oh so experienced one. Best out of 5, standard GM duels.

*souless-pvp
This was already pointed out. I didn't really care enough to do the math. Yes most public duelers I have seen don't know what they're doing.

[dumbpig]

we all know that 35+8 is difficult to calculate, buts its ok man everyone here likes kids and helps them out when we can

[mepersoner]

Obviously I have storm shield on, how the hell would you get 43 any other way?3 ber head hunters + enigma = 32% DR + 11% belt = 43% DR.

Wait wait no. Perfect spike thorn + perfect string/verdungo + enigma = 43%.

Oh oh. Gaze + Enigma + perfect string/verdungo. OR! 12% CoA /w 1 ber, + enigma, + perfect string/verdungo.

Etc.

[LLD-Vampire]

3 ber head hunters + enigma = 32% DR + 11% belt = 43% DR.

Wait wait no. Perfect spike thorn + perfect string/verdungo + enigma = 43%.

Oh oh. Gaze + Enigma + perfect string/verdungo. OR! 12% CoA /w 1 ber, + enigma, + perfect string/verdungo.

Etc.
Don't bother, me asking someones gear instantly means that I can't add 35+8. God forbid there be other ways to make 43.

So dumbpig are you still declining my offer to duel?

[soulesschild]

Don't bother, me asking someones gear instantly means that I can't add 35+8. God forbid there be other ways to make 43.

So dumbpig are you still declining my offer to duel?

oh so you ignore my post to duel you? we can both duel you if you like

@mep, oh god mep :P okay lets assume all perfect gear and this being a reasonable idea on a necromancer ^^

[Omikron8]

So how many days until dumbpig gets banned? I'm guessing the time until bloembak spots this post.

[dumbpig]

Don't bother, me asking someones gear instantly means that I can't add 35+8. God forbid there be other ways to make 43.

So dumbpig are you still declining my offer to duel?

so lld-vamp still hiding on ladder with a lvl 18 charger thinking you're a big shot cause u can kill people doing trav runs? lol

quit hiding on ladder kid we all know you're afraid to get owned in nl

[dumbpig]

So how many days until dumbpig gets banned? I'm guessing the time until bloembak spots this post.

more boot-licking of bloembak please

im sure it makes u look l33t

[LordDrift]

Duel Non Ladder, LLD vs him. come on i'd like to see. You know he dont play ladder so dont challange on ladder

[Garbad_the_Weak]

I've heard enough of dumbpig for a while. Banned for a month, this is your final warning.

Garbad

[LLD-Vampire]

Duel Non Ladder, LLD vs him. come on i'd like to see. You know he dont play ladder so dont challange on ladder
I don't play non ladder. Your post is pointless since it works both ways. I don't have a lvl 18 charger, I don't do trav runs, didn't see your offer to duel soulless sorry what realm are you on?

Garbad you should just perma ban him I'de say 90% of his 126 posts are flames. Thats 113.4 flames! Well a month without hearing about necs being zealed to death is better than nothing. Thanks

[soulesschild]

I don't play non ladder. Your post is pointless since it works both ways. I don't have a lvl 18 charger, I don't do trav runs, didn't see your offer to duel soulless sorry what realm are you on?

USWest Non-ladder

*souless-pvp

[Mosarel]

ergggg, i need to be online more, all i ever see is bad dulers, hammerdins, Foh pallys, and Teferi, *sigh*, why cant i ever see any 1 but BnG dulers and not souless and other cool dulers? crap, time to get back to work....

[Phyrexial]

You know the only way to deal with this now? Take it to open and trust that you'll make a character only with what you have.

[Mosarel]

Ahahaha, a open legit dueler???? Thats a rarity! lol, drop mod games...... i hate open......

[Phyrexial]

Ahahaha, a open legit dueler???? Thats a rarity! lol, drop mod games...... i hate open......
If two people from different realms with even some degree of integrity want to duel to prove a point, it can be done on Open. This was done before to good effect when Raider dueled Fenris.

[mepersoner]

That wasn't a very good point, Fenris show horrible gear for dueling a necromancer.

If you read this Fenris (and I know you do sometimes) 12 FRAMES IS NOT A GOOD IDEA VS. A NECRO.

[Rauth]

The percentage of posts in this thread that have nothing to do with the title is amazing.


[DISCLAIMER]- I am not a ww sin expert, this is just what I have seen dueling with my ww sin for a few months.

In my limited duel experience with ww sins, most casters were pretty easy and any non-ww melee(some smiters beat the crap outa me, but most just charged into my ww like morons).

Unless a barb has twice your life and damage(pretty much any barb in nl and a few good ladder ones) you should do ok ww vs ww. Open wounds is your edge. Enchant from demon limb helped me a ton against high def ones.

I was able to take down a few crappy bone necs but any with decent skill just wasted me.

Windys are fairly easy as long as you lay down a few WoF to stun them. If you just go ww vs them then you will get beatin by good ones.

Hammerdins are tricky, but if you play defensive there isn't much they can do. I just throw stars at them until they get annoyed and tele on top of me and then short ww south. Desynching hammerdins(charge+vigor=where's that damn pally) are a different kind entirely. I had mixed results when dueling these. Sometimes I would get lucky ww hits and other times I would die in 10 seconds. I think maybe laying down some WoF at your feet would help.

A note on rabies/fc- they will give you a ton of trouble unless you can get max res gear and some psn reduction. Without that I was pretty screwed against good ones. WoF helps a bit here as well.

Overall, I would rate ww sins right up there with the best duel builds.