Speederländer
03-08-2004, 02:38
Someone please tell me if I'm screwing this up, thanks.
Level 20 venom
Item skills:
3 - shadow ammy for buffing
6 - pair of shadow claws
1 - anni
1 - arachnid
2 - sojs
2 - shadow dancers
1 - battle command
4 - shadow gc's
Total venom level = 40.
Venom damage at level 40 is 1075 to 1095 = 1085 average damage
Poison ED contributions:
15% ED from buffing helm with 3 psn facets
20% ED from facet sockets on shadow claws
50% ED from buffing with bramble on
25% ED from trangs x 2 = 50% ED (because of the ED being counted twice, hidden bonus)
Total = 135% ED
Venom damage w/ED taken into accout = 2550 over .4 seconds
Venom damage with hidden 100% PLR penalty in hell = 5100 over .8 seconds
Now, the PvP penalty SEEMS to be closer to 1/5 or even 1/4, but let's assume 1/6 for argument's sake.
Venom damage after 1/6 penalty = 850
Venom damage after going through 75% res = 212
So, we have 212 PvP damage per application of venom with a .8 second duration. Am I correct?
Does anyone know what the actual PvP penalty is for venom?
Next, If a kicker has 1100 to 1700 physical kick damage, that averages to 1400 physical damage. Going through the 1/6 penalty and 50% DR, that yields 117 PvP damage on average.
Finally, a chaos claw yields 216 to 471 magic damage, which averages to 343 average damage. Going through a 1/6 penalty that's 57 PvP damage.
Total average non-physical damage contribution = 269
Average physical damage contribution = 117
Now, the .8 second duation on venom seems to work against kickers, as they kick so fast. But it seems that that isn't actually the case. Assuming 75% block, only 1 in 4 kicks actually land. Assuming average to hit chances, you further only have an 80 to 85% chance to land any given kick vs. a 2K defense target. The result...you are landing LESS than 25% of your kicks on average vs. an opponent with good block. Therefore, the .8 second duration actually has a reasonable chance of running it's length before reset by another kick. Now, one thing that may be a factor here that I am disregarding is blocking speed. If you kick faster than they can block, then more kicks should theoretically get through. This should be considered and, if anything, merely makes this argument more compelling.
Given this, I conclude that venom, when PROPERLY buffed and managed, should be the biggest source of damage for any kicker. This is in contradiction to my previous statements on this topic, before I was aware of the double application of poison ED sources and, more improtantly, the hidden -100% PLR penalty in hell.
Level 20 venom
Item skills:
3 - shadow ammy for buffing
6 - pair of shadow claws
1 - anni
1 - arachnid
2 - sojs
2 - shadow dancers
1 - battle command
4 - shadow gc's
Total venom level = 40.
Venom damage at level 40 is 1075 to 1095 = 1085 average damage
Poison ED contributions:
15% ED from buffing helm with 3 psn facets
20% ED from facet sockets on shadow claws
50% ED from buffing with bramble on
25% ED from trangs x 2 = 50% ED (because of the ED being counted twice, hidden bonus)
Total = 135% ED
Venom damage w/ED taken into accout = 2550 over .4 seconds
Venom damage with hidden 100% PLR penalty in hell = 5100 over .8 seconds
Now, the PvP penalty SEEMS to be closer to 1/5 or even 1/4, but let's assume 1/6 for argument's sake.
Venom damage after 1/6 penalty = 850
Venom damage after going through 75% res = 212
So, we have 212 PvP damage per application of venom with a .8 second duration. Am I correct?
Does anyone know what the actual PvP penalty is for venom?
Next, If a kicker has 1100 to 1700 physical kick damage, that averages to 1400 physical damage. Going through the 1/6 penalty and 50% DR, that yields 117 PvP damage on average.
Finally, a chaos claw yields 216 to 471 magic damage, which averages to 343 average damage. Going through a 1/6 penalty that's 57 PvP damage.
Total average non-physical damage contribution = 269
Average physical damage contribution = 117
Now, the .8 second duation on venom seems to work against kickers, as they kick so fast. But it seems that that isn't actually the case. Assuming 75% block, only 1 in 4 kicks actually land. Assuming average to hit chances, you further only have an 80 to 85% chance to land any given kick vs. a 2K defense target. The result...you are landing LESS than 25% of your kicks on average vs. an opponent with good block. Therefore, the .8 second duration actually has a reasonable chance of running it's length before reset by another kick. Now, one thing that may be a factor here that I am disregarding is blocking speed. If you kick faster than they can block, then more kicks should theoretically get through. This should be considered and, if anything, merely makes this argument more compelling.
Given this, I conclude that venom, when PROPERLY buffed and managed, should be the biggest source of damage for any kicker. This is in contradiction to my previous statements on this topic, before I was aware of the double application of poison ED sources and, more improtantly, the hidden -100% PLR penalty in hell.