SC PvP/PK

[Lyrs]

I've never been a fan of HC PK'ing. The idea of going around and destroying someone's character, making them start over, while enjoying it all doesn't strike me as having fun. But I am naturally interested in PK'ing for the reasons that this "hunt" mentality seems like something worth trying out.

HC Pk'ers want ears or perhaps something similiar, I could care less to know what or why because I haven't PK'ed anyone in HC, I on the other hand could care less for ears, that leaves gold, and that's worthless also, except for repairs and such. What's left than is fun at some lvl. Perhaps it might be this "hunt" fun, perhaps it'll be the satisfaction of beating a higher lvl, or it might just turn out to be a waste of time. And perhaps there might be the fun of triggering someone's chicken MH.

I've only been in a few SC PK situations (i was in a party pvm'ing) and the feeling is a bit different than dueling. Naturally, i was unprepared for a duel at the moment, but given that these moments were with my soon to be lld, i knew that if at least one other team member helped out, i could easily dispatch of PK'er since i had some general knowledge of the PK'er build. It was a low lvl assn, in the 20's, so i suspected that it was either a kicker or a TC striker, both of which could be deadly, but I'm fairly sure that if it's built like any other PK'ing character that I've met in HC, it would have low hp and instead go for high dmg, and even if the assn had high hp, i was packing some CB.

The experience didn't turn out exactly as I thought. Upon the PK'er entering the map, someone logged out, and logged back in with their Tele'ing Necomancer and killed the fellow. I didn't even have time to lay a few stun traps. I wasn't too far from the Pk'er, so i got myself a hefty bin of gold for some gambling fun.

///SC lld dueling, especially in pubby's have been getting a bit stagant. It's nearly impossible to have a good game with there always being atleast one lvl 60+ character in each game, and/or when one player looses he exits only to return with a high lvl character. Sometimes that's fun, when the high lvl turns out to be weaker than their llder. Other times it's it's just annoying.///

So, thoughts? And if you're going to call me a wuss for not PK'ing in HC, go ahead.

[LLD-Vampire]

I've never been a fan of HC PK'ing. The idea of going around and destroying someone's character, making them start over, while enjoying it all doesn't strike me as having fun. But I am naturally interested in PK'ing for the reasons that this "hunt" mentality seems like something worth trying out.

HC Pk'ers want ears or perhaps something similiar, I could care less to know what or why because I haven't PK'ed anyone in HC, I on the other hand could care less for ears, that leaves gold, and that's worthless also, except for repairs and such. What's left than is fun at some lvl. Perhaps it might be this "hunt" fun, perhaps it'll be the satisfaction of beating a higher lvl, or it might just turn out to be a waste of time. And perhaps there might be the fun of triggering someone's chicken MH.

I've only been in a few SC PK situations (i was in a party pvm'ing) and the feeling is a bit different than dueling. Naturally, i was unprepared for a duel at the moment, but given that these moments were with my soon to be lld, i knew that if at least one other team member helped out, i could easily dispatch of PK'er since i had some general knowledge of the PK'er build. It was a low lvl assn, in the 20's, so i suspected that it was either a kicker or a TC striker, both of which could be deadly, but I'm fairly sure that if it's built like any other PK'ing character that I've met in HC, it would have low hp and instead go for high dmg, and even if the assn had high hp, i was packing some CB.

The experience didn't turn out exactly as I thought. Upon the PK'er entering the map, someone logged out, and logged back in with their Tele'ing Necomancer and killed the fellow. I didn't even have time to lay a few stun traps. I wasn't too far from the Pk'er, so i got myself a hefty bin of gold for some gambling fun.

///SC lld dueling, especially in pubby's have been getting a bit stagant. It's nearly impossible to have a good game with there always being atleast one lvl 60+ character in each game, and/or when one player looses he exits only to return with a high lvl character. Sometimes that's fun, when the high lvl turns out to be weaker than their llder. Other times it's it's just annoying.///

So, thoughts? And if you're going to call me a wuss for not PK'ing in HC, go ahead.
WUSS FOR NOT PKING IN HARDCORE!!! J/k don't give steel another reason to post.

PKing in sc is fine, you die who cares your little baal run is ruined, I do it just to watch people complain and for massive gold for repair/gamble.

[TheCerberus]

PKing is part of the game, Blizzard intended for it. PKing in SC I don't really think counts as PKing, but if you're having fun, why not?

[Phyrexial]

I did this for awhile, its certainly fun. Its a bit more tedious nowadays since most Baal runs have a tele sorc to get them to the throne. Back in 1.09 it was much more fun to PK in Bloody runs. ;) However, you do know exactly where they are going to be.

The hunt is still fun though. For quick PKing opportunities, try hitting up Trav runs. Very quick an easy to find your prey, just make sure your PKer is low enough to be sportsmanlike.

As for SC LLDing, try making a game and putting in level restrictions. I can take a little while to fill up, but it can definetly be worth it if you get a nice crowd going.

[Inuyasha]

Why the hell does anybody PK. Honestly. You can't ever call it a challenge, because the whole point is just hunting someone (usually a much lower level than you) down and killing them for no apparent reason. If you want a challenge, then offer them a duel, have good manners about it, and don't be offended if they turn you down. However, Pking is a very easy way to have "N00B, F4GGT, WTF is ur PRob" spammed at you. Can you blame them?

Of course, I'm not trying to offend you. If you can offer me some of your good reasons for PKing, then I won't argue. It just seems like you should really face someone who is willing, ready, and equal to you for excitement, not the lvl 16 who will prove no challenge and is just surviving.

[LLD-Vampire]

Why the hell does anybody PK. Honestly. You can't ever call it a challenge, because the whole point is just hunting someone (usually a much lower level than you) down and killing them for no apparent reason. If you want a challenge, then offer them a duel, have good manners about it, and don't be offended if they turn you down. However, Pking is a very easy way to have "N00B, F4GGT, WTF is ur PRob" spammed at you. Can you blame them?

Of course, I'm not trying to offend you. If you can offer me some of your good reasons for PKing, then I won't argue. It just seems like you should really face someone who is willing, ready, and equal to you for excitement, not the lvl 16 who will prove no challenge and is just surviving.
It's fun and it is a challenge it's usually like 4 on 1 once a few pussys go to town, and they have the choice to attack you right outa the wp. I get people who try to pk in baal runs all the time but I just go to wp and waste them (ty for delay) because they are poorly built and ********. Only problem with pking in baal runs is the souls do all the work for ya.

[TheCerberus]

Why the hell does anybody PK. Honestly. You can't ever call it a challenge, because the whole point is just hunting someone (usually a much lower level than you) down and killing them for no apparent reason. If you want a challenge, then offer them a duel, have good manners about it, and don't be offended if they turn you down. However, Pking is a very easy way to have "N00B, F4GGT, WTF is ur PRob" spammed at you. Can you blame them?

Of course, I'm not trying to offend you. If you can offer me some of your good reasons for PKing, then I won't argue. It just seems like you should really face someone who is willing, ready, and equal to you for excitement, not the lvl 16 who will prove no challenge and is just surviving.
PKing is not about taking on someone whos lower than you. A good PKer will take a much lvl 21 or so into Baal runs. Sure, there are the lamers who use hacks and who bring in a 90 to PK lvl 9's, but if you take them on with a lower character, whats wrong with that? And besides, whoever you hostile has the chance to leave if you're going about it legitly. If they stay to take you on whose fault is that?

And LLD, good PKers will pre-load the WP to speed up the delay.

[BadLikeMe]

What you mean Pre-Load the wp?

[wahjot]

maybe party and get a tp, then make their own tp to where they are then unparty + hostile?

[Inuyasha]

Verywell. I was just wondering why you would do it. I still believe that an orderly duel in which both combattents are well aware of what's going on and are using characters meant for PvP, is much more exciting and challenging.

[Matt]

Well, Inu, reasons for pking are the fun of it, I mean, yeah, you step out in the blood moor in a duel, and its a more equal fight, but theres no hunt to it, just stepping out and fighting, when you pk, you have to find the party by:
A. finding tps
B. Listening to ingame chat
C. game name
D. Asking people :) (they actually will tell you sometimes)

Then, hunt them down, you can go from in front of them, and meet up head on, because they will be looking for you from behind, you can wait it a later waypoint, let them keep going, and pop through the wp, and kill them, you get the idea, much more fun to get your prey on the hunt :)

Anyways, Personally, I dont pk on hardcore because I enjoy being sadistic and killing people permenantly (though I must admit, it dont exactly lose sleep over it.. its too damn easy to avoid, its more your fault then mine if you let me kill you... you have PLENTY of time to get out)
I pk on hardcore because people CARE, people actually try to get out of the way and avoid you, theres not much fun in hunting a group who pays no attention to the fact you are trying to kill them... like i said, the thrill of the hunt.

If you end up pking in softcore, i reccomend keeping the ears... Its fun to have little trophys of your past kills (though i would only keep one per character if its SC) They dont have VALUE, but they will be something you might enjoy having. Besides, we pk not for others, but for our own pleasure, whats it matter if they have value, they are cool to have ;)

Good luck to you.

-Matt

[Phyrexial]

@Inu: I hunt in norm baal run games where the lowest level should be 25 and the max is around 50 while I use a level 25-30 or so. Some players will use an even lower level character, but those are generally hell rushed to give them an edge. Considering the level difference and the fact that it is generally a 4v1 style situation or worse, I think its fair game. Its just something to have a little fun and make the players keep on their toes. Of course there is no challenge/point in using a character that is clearly a higher level and much more well equipped.

Also, I use a level 18 charger to PK in Trav run games where the average level is between 20 and 25. I've heard of people using level 9's, but again those are generally hell rushed and I can't be bothered to do that.

[BadLikeMe]

Originally posted by wahjot
maybe party and get a tp, then make their own tp to where they are then unparty + hostile?Not possible, wouldn't work, when you hostile somebody, your tp disappears. every time.

So anybody wanna explain what pre-loading the wp means?

[LLD-Vampire]

Not possible, wouldn't work, when you hostile somebody, your tp disappears. every time.

So anybody wanna explain what pre-loading the wp means?
I dunno what preloading is but if you time it right you can get down the wp with no delay. I've done it a few times but I usually can't, I've seen people who can do it almost every time.

[AvatarMyth]

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[Phyrexial]

Preloading I believe is taking the wp, then going back to town. This way the game has the area "loaded" already and it reduces the lag involved when you first take a wp into an area.

[LLD-Vampire]

Preloading I believe is taking the wp, then going back to town. This way the game has the area "loaded" already and it reduces the lag involved when you first take a wp into an area.
More info on what I was talking about. You bring up the char screen and have mouse over hostile button then you click on wp with it still up. Right before the wp screen comes up click the hostile button. The wp screen will still come up and you'll be hostile click where you wanna go and ta da. I was messing abound with my pally doing it. I got owned 90% of them lol but like 2-3 games I massacured them all.

[Matt]

Actually, i think thats conscidered pretty lame in hardcore dueling anyways LLD-vampire, the reason being that it is intentionally avoiding a feature that was put in place to prevent easy kills. Basically, you go around a feature of the game, for the sole purpose of doing EXACTLY what it is designed to prevent, which seems a little bit lame...

Yeah, preloading the WP is simply going to a waypoint you anticipate using while pking, before you hostile the group, then after you hostile, your computer has "seen" the scenery already, and there is almost no delay going through, as opposed to a non-loaded wp, there is a short delay.

As for pking levels, a level 9 should probably be pking in act2, where most of the pvmers are about twice his level, much higher and its too hard to hit them with your low AR (no angelics yet) However, a level 18 charger should probably not be pking in travincal runs... thats way too easy IMO, I'm sure that if your level 18 charger is built right, he is killing 97% of trav runners in 1 hit... A decked out level 18 should be in at least act4 games, maybe act5, though the 35+'s in baal runs are a bit high for a level 18.

[TheCerberus]

Yeah, LLD described the waypoint bug. I don't consider kills off of it to be legit.

[LLD-Vampire]

Yeah, LLD described the waypoint bug. I don't consider kills off of it to be legit.
I was just stating that it was there.

[TheCerberus]

And I was just stating my feelings on it.
If it came off as offensive, my fault.

[Lyrs]

Status so far:

Ears: 0
Gold: 0
# of PK's: 0
Runes recieved in trade in Attempted PK games: 2x Fal, 1x Pul, 10x Dol, 12x Amns, 3x Ko, inumerable runes Thul and under
:clap:

I found some good games where ppl were baaling and trading runes, it was too good an oppurtunity to miss since i had a ton of stuff to trade and i needed some more runes. Cubed my first ldd Um! :yep:

The economy rules all, but anyway, i hope to have some fun today with more attempted PKing or should luck prove it, more rune trading.