Poll: Is the extra FHR worth it?

[Speederländer]

Ok for my PvP mage-slaying kicker, I can go 4 frame fhr (90 total) and have 2830 life

or

I can go 3 frame fhr (200 total) and have about 2600 life. I also lose chaos magic damage as I have to use tucs on my main hand rather than chaos.

My physical kick damage will be between 1700 and 1800 in any event.

Is getting 3 frame fhr worth losing approximately 200 life and 78 unresistable PvP magic damage per kick? What do people think?

[Mr.E]

You don't have to switch your Bartuc's and 'Chaos' claw hands to benefit from the FHR, if that's what you're thinking. I'd say go for it if all you're giving up is a couple hundred life from 'Vita' charms.

Unless, of course, you're using a 'Chaos' claw as just some claw. If you have to actually change your equipment slot from a 'Chaos' claw to a Bartuc's then it's not worth it.

[ilkori]

The only reason to consider using Chaos on a kicker is the magic damage + OW... and I think you lose both if you have it on the off-hand. The only useful bonus you lose from bartuc by putting it in the second slot is the 20% AR bonus.

Honestly I've been having the same question, and I don't know.

[Speederländer]

The only reason to consider using Chaos on a kicker is the magic damage + OW... and I think you lose both if you have it on the off-hand. The only useful bonus you lose from bartuc by putting it in the second slot is the 20% AR bonus.

Honestly I've been having the same question, and I don't know.

I would have to go 2 bartucs, so no chaos claw in either slot.

[Hells]

I'd try it out and see for myself if it is worth ;)

[Speederländer]

The only reason to consider using Chaos on a kicker is the magic damage + OW... and I think you lose both if you have it on the off-hand. The only useful bonus you lose from bartuc by putting it in the second slot is the 20% AR bonus.

Honestly I've been having the same question, and I don't know.

1700 kick = 283 pvp = 141 with 50 DR
471 chaos = 78.5 pvp, unresistable

That's a pretty substantial fraction.....

[Speederländer]

I'm starting to convince myself it's not worth it just by looking at the numbers. I hope to get a few other opinions.

The problem with just trying it is that I have to make up for lost res with res all fhr sc, which will be very expensive. I may end up doing just that, but I want people to try and convince me one way or the other so I can see if I haven't thought of certain aspects of this idea, esp. the positive points.

[Speederländer]

I've decided it's not worth it. I need damage too much to sacrifice such a significant amount for a 1 frame improvement in fhr, esp. when my kicks land as often as they do with 14K AR and 90+ on the char lvl.

[Phresh]

I would stay at the 4 frame bp, you sacrafice too much just to get the extra frame its not worth it.

[ilkori]

Speederländer, you've got a great grasp of the math behind things, but I've got one little nitpick with your calculations. Use average damage rather than max damage when calculating this sort of thing. It'll end up being much more useful since some attacks have low mins, and deceptively high maxes, with averages that just plain suck.

All in all, I'd have to support staying at the 4 frame break like you and Phresh mentioned.

[Speederländer]

Speederländer, you've got a great grasp of the math behind things, but I've got one little nitpick with your calculations. Use average damage rather than max damage when calculating this sort of thing. It'll end up being much more useful since some attacks have low mins, and deceptively high maxes, with averages that just plain suck.

All in all, I'd have to support staying at the 4 frame break like you and Phresh mentioned.

Yeah, I did average when I was making my desision but I did the usual forum blunder and refered to max above. My bad.

[ilkori]

It's all good. :) It just scares me when I see max damage applied to attacks.