Why softcore duel?

[xxsteelxx]

This isnt ment to be a flame or anything. Im just lookin 4 u guys to let me know why u duel in sc.

[LordDrift]

why not? who wants to build a character for months to be ruined in a few seconds even if a mistake? Why do you duel hardcore? isnt it for the fun and excitement of a duel. You should know that perfectly, a duel is a duel whether its hc or not, just hc ders no going back

[evuldmn]

why not? who wants to build a character for months to be ruined in a few seconds even if a mistake? Why do you duel hardcore? isnt it for the fun and excitement of a duel. You should know that perfectly, a duel is a duel whether its hc or not, just hc ders no going back

If you had ever tried out duelling in HC you would have known the answer to that yourself. Knowing there's alot on stake.. your heart beeting like mad... and if you win, nothing can beat the feeling of really ruining another mans day.

[cpg]

hc duels are a matter of who can rejuv the fastest

[LordDrift]

If you had ever tried out duelling in HC you would have known the answer to that yourself. Knowing there's alot on stake.. your heart beeting like mad... and if you win, nothing can beat the feeling of really ruining another mans day.

excuse you, did you just assume i didnt play hc before? i forgot the part where you knew me...if my sarcasm you still havent understood, then ill answer...yes i have played hardcore and i know how it feels to ruin another player and yes i have been ruined before as well. i'm glad you take pleasure into ruining anothr persons hardwork, esp if ur one of those that give out unsafe tp's, good job. most hardcore duelers to my exp chicken out last second, ptless duels are never fun.

[UndeadBehlial]

yeah sc no pots allowed is usually how its played. I couldnt imagine making a godly char pouring in time and all my resources and because i hit F1 instead of F2 by mistake, I lose everything. I cant tell you how many times my trapsin runs out of town with BoS still at the ready and i start casting like mad thinking the only reason i dont see traps is because of lag lol.

[Watzit2ya]

HC dueling is cool, with everything at stake, but then its just ruined by whoever can pot the most, then just use chicken to leave.

[xxsteelxx]

why not? who wants to build a character for months to be ruined in a few seconds even if a mistake? Why do you duel hardcore? isnt it for the fun and excitement of a duel. You should know that perfectly, a duel is a duel whether its hc or not, just hc ders no going back


4 me there is just no fun in a sc duel...there is nothing to lose so its boring to me .(just stating my opinion)

Also what do u mean about ruining someone else? They duel just like me. If i duel and die who cares>. And why do i care if the other died....he chose the risk when he steps out of town. Same goes 4 pk....when someone clicks hc on the char option they are saying "i could die...a monster/lag/pk could kill me but im going to play anyway" If they get "ruined" they just have to be a little faster next time getting away from u

[LordDrift]

4 me there is just no fun in a sc duel...there is nothing to lose so its boring to me .(just stating my opinion)

Also what do u mean about ruining someone else? They duel just like me. If i duel and die who cares>. And why do i care if the other died....he chose the risk when he steps out of town. Same goes 4 pk....when someone clicks hc on the char option they are saying "i could die...a monster/lag/pk could kill me but im going to play anyway" If they get "ruined" they just have to be a little faster next time getting away from u

RUINED was for someone else, if you didnt see his response. Thats why people could make SC characters some ppl just dont like to throw their hard work away. Sorry im not into pussy dueling where low life means chug pots. Thats no fun, if you like that then props to you. HC dueling is stupid because like they all say its who can chug the most pots and who sets the chicken life better. And to get away its easier said then done

[mepersoner]

Some of us don't like putting 3 years into a character to have them die. That wouldn't be fun, that would ruin the game.

[Krisu]

Well i played hc about a year ago and i got pretty good stuff imo, In 1.09.
Then I just ripped with my full trang (It wasn't good but anyway) and it really pissed me off that time and always died to a lag. With my computer, before i got a new one i couldn't even play normal a1 without the fear of lag death.
I ripped about every char , pathetic thought always the same thing

Normally playing -> Suddenly screen stops in the center of a enemy group -> Before i hit save and exit im already dead .

How funny , that's why i quit HC back then.
I like softcore because i think it's much better way to learn from mistakes than start all over again..

Thats my opinion, all think different.

[xxsteelxx]

RUINED was for someone else, if you didnt see his response. Thats why people could make SC characters some ppl just dont like to throw their hard work away. Sorry im not into pussy dueling where low life means chug pots. Thats no fun, if you like that then props to you. HC dueling is stupid because like they all say its who can chug the most pots and who sets the chicken life better. And to get away its easier said then done

While i have to admit hc dueling has gone way down hill since chicken..not everyone uses it. Most of us that duel and know each other despise the ones that do. If we duel a chicken user theres no point duelin him again and everyone in the game knows hes a pussy.

As 4 the pots ...just make 1- 2 hit ko builds and they will only have time to die :)

[xxsteelxx]

Well i played hc about a year ago and i got pretty good stuff imo, In 1.09.
Then I just ripped with my full trang (It wasn't good but anyway) and it really pissed me off that time and always died to a lag. With my computer, before i got a new one i couldn't even play normal a1 without the fear of lag death.
I ripped about every char , pathetic thought always the same thing

Normally playing -> Suddenly screen stops in the center of a enemy group -> Before i hit save and exit im already dead .

How funny , that's why i quit HC back then.
I like softcore because i think it's much better way to learn from mistakes than start all over again..

Thats my opinion, all think different.

If u lag alot i can see not playin hc but to say softcore is a better way to learn from mistakes seems kinda weird to me....Every time u die in hc u learn something that u did wrong, and u never do that again ( or ur dead )..Hc makes u pay way more attention to mistakes because they will cost u alot more if repeated

[Phyrexial]

In HC there is a such a high emphasis on getting the kill that it drives 99% of the players involved to do everything in their power to kill the other player. This means townguarding, jumping them whenever possible, cheap tricks, massive hack abuse, and every dirty trick in the book. (overabsorb, lifetap in melee, summons, etc) The more that is at stake, the worse things become.

Like hacks in general on D2. If there wasn't this huge cash incentive to find the rarest items there would be far less dupes/bots, etc. I bet that more than half the bots/dupers that exist don't even play the game anymore.

Also, in HC dueling there really is no such thing as a rematch if one of you didn't pussy out and run to town. I've gained alot of practice by dueling friends and strangers alike over and over again. This wouldn't be possible in HC.

To answer your question directly though, I duel in SC for the sheer enjoyment of winning. I don't need to permanently kill someone's character to know I won, I see their corpse and ear on the ground before me and I know I won. Look at Starcraft/Warcraft for example. Can you imagine what that game would be like if you couldn't play again for a week or more if you lost? The game would be so incredibly cutthroat it would be madness. If you lose, so what. Better luck next time. 30 seconds from now.

[Matt]

Well, I hardcore duel, here are my thoughts on it.

It seems to me like some people view SC duelers as inferior because they softcore duel. I disagree, personally, SC dueling is not fun for ME because theres no thrill, nothing to lose. On top of that, SC dueling is not nearly as competitive, people dont CARE much if they win for the most part, go into any public softcore dueling game, and for every one person who has put real time and effort into a build, has gear for different situations, has a great set of charms (I'm not talking about non ladder duped 3/20/20's or 290's, i mean real charms, like 30 small charms of vita that you traded for individually, i dont know, its like hardcore dueling is a step up in competitiveness.

I dont like hardcore high level dueling much either, it IS all about a bunch of botters who use scripts to A. kill eachother, B. Save their own tail when they lose.

So basically, I'm talking about low/mid duelers.

Heres an example of my current hc dueler and how much effort goes into it:
Hc season 2
Level 14 assassin, xTalarrax.
511 life
~2700 max listed damage when charged (including deadly strike, 56% chance of it, 50 from clegs sword, 6% from claw mastry) That is a little over 450 pvp damage per release, at level 14. Not bad.
Max blocking
Gear:
Angelic combo
deaths combo
27 max armor
27 max helm
9 max'd clegs sword
18 max BSoD
CK boots
All the socketed items except the shield have second mods on them (cold resist, mana, dex, AR etc etc)
Charms: I have 32 slots of charms, 3 of stamina pots, 2 antidotes, and a tome of town portal (pking purposes)
Charms are mostly smalls/larges of life and there are some fine larges and a perfect fine large of strength.

As you can see, she is using all perfect jewels (perfect barring rare jewels with two +max mods on them, damn near impossible to find) She has very good charms, as good as i can realistically get this early in the ladder season, she does enough damage to have racked up 11 ears in 2 days, and beat people as high as a level 39, and killed some people in duels as well as pking, beat many more people (damn chickenhack lamers) and even killed some chickenhackers (charge up doesnt lower their life enough to trigger the chicken, and the release does enough to KO them past the chicken, they leave as their ear drops :) )

As you can see, she is very well built, and thats something I love about hardcore duelers, very few people who are not serious about it, and the ones who are not, dont last long. Basically, it boils down to very serious, competitive people, using the best they can get their hands on, making for very fun duels.

As for chickenhack, I dont use it, there are some llders who dont, though the sad truth is that most do, however, theres one good thing about it, they are so damn cocky with it, that they willduel anyone, and when you get a good roll and KO them past it, its so nice stashing that ear, the ear of a cheater who thought cheats alone could save them from me :)

As for potions, I see nothing wrong with it, the stakes are high enough, that there is really no avoiding it anyhow, but most hc duels are NOT going to be determined by a long drawn out duel, only to be ruined by the person losing using a potion, it is a series of very high damage hits, it doesnt take many. Most of my kills for example are not where i whack the guy 11 times in a row, they are where, at most, i charge up and release, which takes a very short time. Chargers go for 1 hit kills, etc, its all about a quick kill, and a full juv only sometimes saves the guy, for example, if a charger hits someone on a low roll, and puts them to 10 life, they full juv, but are in charge lock, and take another hit, this time a decent one, they are dead, chicken or no chicken, full juv or no full juv.

Theres another element to hardcore dueling which is just not there in SC dueling.
then again, its silly to say theres no point to SC dueling, of course there is! many people dont WANT to be all competitive and play to win, they play to have a little fun (of course, for me, they are the same, but i certianly see how its fun to duel without caring if you win or lose as much)

-Matt

[Phyrexial]

Did I mention that HC duelers are fairly restricted to low/mid dueling? I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a full set of skill GC's, enigma, cta, etc due to a cheap trick.

[ZounceHC]

[QUOTE=Phyrexial]Did I mention that HC duelers are fairly restricted to low/mid dueling? QUOTE]

Not really true. On west there's a quite a few high level duelers. I had a 83 Barb that I dueled with last season. Only collected 5-10 ears out of 40+ duels but that's the whole point, duels don't have to end in death to establish a winner. Of course my barb ended up getting slain on the last day of ladder but the amount of fun I had with him definitely outweighed my disappointment when I saw the "Deeds" screen. Anyway it was the last day of ladder so who cares.

The only problem was finding a duel at times. I would enter a duel game ask a lvl 90+ barb to duel who would be using the usual stuff: Botd, Enigma, SS etc. And they'd go no thanks. I'd try and persuade them but usually they'd make up lame excuses like it was too laggy or they didn't have a looter. After i'd established no one would duel me i'd go get my lvl 8 pally to run around outside and watch duels. More often than not the barb who declined my offer to duel would end up challenging the first mf barb that entered the game, then calling him a newb after he stated he was only there to watch.

My guess was that the barb with the leet gearz was an inexperienced dueler who had bought stuff off ebay (not dissing ebay as i've got nothing against it) to only duel people who he had an obvious advantage over. He had better gear than me but still wouldn't duel which was why i tried to persuade him. Anyway this is why I got kinda angry when he began calling the mf barb a newb. Of course i then reminded him of his decision not to duel me only minutes earlier and asked if he now had a looter and was ready?? He then pulled out the old "if i don't speak or move people will think im afk" trick and ignored me for the next while till i got bored and left.

Basically (this rant is going somewhere believe it or not) I think the main advantage of dueling in SC is that you can do it anytime you like as there are always duel games up. You also don't get people that fear death so much they won't duel anyone that has a remote chance of killing them.

[ZounceHC]

(including deadly strike, 56% chance of it, 50 from clegs sword, 6% from claw mastry)

You need to be using a claw for the Critical on CMastery to work. I think.
Also Critical and Deadly don't stack directly. There's a formula for it somewhere (in the Barb forums I believe). Basically the value is somewhere in between the chance of Deadly and the chance of Deadly and Critical combined.

[Matt]

Oh yeah, good call on that, thats what we call Matt being stupid. Well damn it, theres 2 wasted skill points that could be in BoS... ill remake sometime i suppose, i spaced out completly and was thinking mastery was applicable to swords, but of course its not.

[ZounceHC]

Oh yeah, good call on that, thats what we call Matt being stupid. Well damn it, theres 2 wasted skill points that could be in BoS... ill remake sometime i suppose, i spaced out completly and was thinking mastery was applicable to swords, but of course its not.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Call it a lapse in judgement. Sounds better that way :)

[Rauth]

This isnt ment to be a flame or anything. Im just lookin 4 u guys to let me know why u duel in sc.

Because we aren't as cool as you thats why.


Different people find different things fun. Why is that so hard to understand? A lot of people enjoy playing diablo2. A lot of people don't(Those Others living outside in the daylight). A lot of people like being jerks to other people and a lot do not. A lot of people like hc duels and a lot do not. Simple as that.

Another reason is that some of us don't have the time to rebuild our duelers everytime they die to lag/hacks/mistakes. The time it takes to make a fully equiped high level dueler is pretty long when you have to mf/trade for all the gear again. Some of us just want to spend an hour or two a day(week) playing with our favorite duel chars without worrying about their gear all dissapearing and having to rebuild and re-find all their equip just to go have some more fun dueling. Also, with sc duels you have unlimited fun. With hc duels it is over almost as soon as it begins and then you are back to boring mfing/leveling again.

One last point in favor of sc dueling. By NOT losing your character when you die, you gain the ability to learn from mistakes quite quickly(assuming a reasonable amount of intelligence). In hc duels, you have to wait and wait and wait to get the equip/levels you need before you can go try again. The best way to learn is to make mistakes. Mistakes in hc are boring wastes of time in my opinion. In sc you make the mistake, figure out what you did wrong, and fix it in a few trys without losing anything. I'm not sure about you guys, but I don't know everything about every dueler I want to make. I have to duel with them over and over and over before I get good with a particular build.


Hc duels do have their own thrill, but cannot offer the same things sc duels do. Just my thoughts.

[Omikron8]

Did the hardcore elitists wander over to the community forum again? Oh boy

[xxsteelxx]

Because we aren't as cool as you thats why.




Whats that suppost to mean there bud?

[LLD-Vampire]

Did the hardcore elitists wander over to the community forum again? Oh boy
Arnt they supposed to stick to public chats with their lvl 22 clearly godly hardcore sorc saying

OMFG YOUR ALL SO NOOB TOO SCARED TO PLAY HARDCORE KEKEKEKEKEKE^^ HAHAHAS1!!F fe afn!1

*attempts to think of the dumbest response steel can make to this*

Ok no more softcore bashing threads? No matter how polite you want to act your saying that it's pointless to duel in soft core and thats mean.

[LLD-Vampire]

Oh yeah and in answer to your question on why we softcore duel. It's for fun thats what games are for. There is nothing on the line when you play monolopy that doesn't make it any less of a pimpiest board game ever.

[xxsteelxx]

i acctually do dabble in sc duelin. If anyone here knows clan IKI on west i am in that , but holy crap u guys get hostile over here in the sc side of the tracks. Take a chill pill guys....lol :drink:

[Lyrs]

I duel in SC because it's a learning experience. I am allowed to make mistakes and to learn and correct them right after i lose and to test my hypothesis about what to do to counteract which attack killed my character.

I can learn more from dueling in SC in a week than i can in HC because i don't have to rebuild, rush, and put my rushing characters in danger of dying or find a game where ppl are killing baal for quest.

[Rauth]

Whats that suppost to mean there bud?

Just a little friendly sarcasm.


Despite your claim to not insult, asking that question is clearly insulting to sc duelers. You imply there is no valid reason for dueling in sc.


Its pretty hard to say ANYTHING in the pvp forum without someone getting annoyed so I wouldn't worry about it. Call the sky blue and someone here will argue that with you I guarentee it.

[troy]

This isnt ment to be a flame or anything. Im just lookin 4 u guys to let me know why u duel in sc.

because dying is fun. honestly.. who doesnt like to see their own bloody corpse with a large pile of gold next to it? :lol:

[Jerkazoid]

i dont HC duel bc i find HC frustrating.. no,, infuriating would be a better word actually. i find HC infuriating,, i dont like the game when it can do that to me, so i dont do it (anymore)

i also like being able to explore all sorts of builds. u cant get away with a lvl 14 psychic hammer assasin in HC,, ull get ur butt kicked.. but its fun to play

i also like being able to accumulate wealth, and near perfection gear,. Its nice to have an item or two that is just spectacular.. in HC i just would h8 loosing all those charms i was lucky enough to find

[LLD-Vampire]

i acctually do dabble in sc duelin. If anyone here knows clan IKI on west i am in that , but holy crap u guys get hostile over here in the sc side of the tracks. Take a chill pill guys....lol :drink:
Er if you "dabble" in sc then why did you make this thread. If you "dabble" in it that for whatever reason you do that is the answer to this thread.


Don't even pretend that if your in a duel and your about to lose you stay and die, it's total ******** and NOTHING you can say will make me beleive it unless you show me.

[xxsteelxx]

Don't even pretend that if your in a duel and your about to lose you stay and die, it's total ******** and NOTHING you can say will make me beleive it unless you show me.


I guess u have never dueled hc ....how would i have much of a chance to leave if most of the builds used in hc kill in 1 or 2 hits? I dont use chicken so if the other guy gets 2 fast hits im dead. I dont make builds that give the other person much of a chance to run or chicken....As the other guy mentioned above ..less common builds are fun to try but are pointless if ur trying to get the ear in hc since most chicken.

[xxsteelxx]

Er if you "dabble" in sc then why did you make this thread. If you "dabble" in it that for whatever reason you do that is the answer to this thread.


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You read alot into stuff dont u? Just cause i "dabble" how do u know why i "dabble" in it? I played sc years ago and joined IKI clan on west. Just because i made 1 char to duel my old friends dosnt mean i enjoy doing it lol

[NightShade]

That's it...It's official. Only me, Matt, Cleg and Baranor are aloud to post in the PvP forum as HC ambassadors.

[LLD-Vampire]

I guess u have never dueled hc ....how would i have much of a chance to leave if most of the builds used in hc kill in 1 or 2 hits? I dont use chicken so if the other guy gets 2 fast hits im dead. I dont make builds that give the other person much of a chance to run or chicken....As the other guy mentioned above ..less common builds are fun to try but are pointless if ur trying to get the ear in hc since most chicken.
*not to self* if i pick up hardcore dueling make an FoHer or Hammerdin *

Clearly you didn't read what I said if you were going to lose and you could leave you would. Not you don't have the chance to....

[Phyrexial]

I think a scenario that might answer Vamp's question is this:

@Steel: You've just gotten into a duel with a poison necro, got hit, and are at 1 life. He's off your radar for a moment recasting bone armor or something, you're out of pots. Do you:

a) Continue the fight knowing full well that the second you come onto his screen the fire golem aura will kill you (don't argue if this happens or not, just assume it does for this argument) and thus cause you to lose the gear you've been saving up for months or...
b) Run to town and say gg as the psn necro demands your ear.

[DOC]

That's it...It's official. Only me, Matt, Cleg and Baranor are aloud to post in the PvP forum as HC ambassadors.

I think ill agree with that, HC pvm has its merits, HC dueling is not really dueling, Ill be glad to go read about some good pvm from you guys any day. :thumbsup:

[NightShade]

You go to town, down an antidote and run back out...You said he was off the radar right? ^^

[Phyrexial]

You go to town, down an antidote and run back out...You said he was off the radar right? ^^
Not like that would help you if you're at 1 life already.

If you were just recently hit with Nova and were still in the process of losing life, I still doubt you could make it to town and down an antidote before it had run its full duration. Poison Nova has a very short duration if you didn't know. Perhaps that would be doable against a psn zon.

Anyway, my question still stands for Steel. I would like to know what he would do.

[xxsteelxx]

Not like that would help you if you're at 1 life already.

If you were just recently hit with Nova and were still in the process of losing life, I still doubt you could make it to town and down an antidote before it had run its full duration. Poison Nova has a very short duration if you didn't know. Perhaps that would be doable against a psn zon.

Anyway, my question still stands for Steel. I would like to know what he would do.

Of course i would leave...im not stupid and sc bm dosnt really aply here imo.
Every time i duel i know i could die..and i have died quite a few times but if the guy gets me to 1 life and he cant finish me off then im out.

The guy may not get my ear but ive been owned and he knows it.

[Phyrexial]

Of course i would leave...im not stupid and sc bm dosnt really aply here imo.
Every time i duel i know i could die..and i have died quite a few times but if the guy gets me to 1 life and he cant finish me off then im out.

The guy may not get my ear but ive been owned and he knows it.
I figured as much. This is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation I put you into.

If you didn't run to town, I'd say you have your honor as a dueler but are either incredibly stupid or have a much much greater devotion to this game than I can fathom.

If you did run to town, you might as well duel in softcore. You lost the duel, but you didn't die. This is what happens in SC. In HC, if you lose you are supposed to die. This is the risk that you claim to be so proud of, however you aren't doing what you preach. You might as well use chicken hack, you have no intention of dying if you lose anyway. You only want to have a "chance" of dying. Just luck basically. That lucky 1-2 hit KO due to incredibly lucky max damage/deadly/crit strikes.

Also, this severely limits the number of viable builds to the insta-kill builds. I've had 10 minute long NvN duels and some matchs were decided by as little as 20 hp. Easily some of the best matches I've had. Now, that would not happen in HC since the second someone sees just a sliver of life left they should by your example run to town and just say gg. Heck, all OW/Psn based builds are probably near non-existant on HC if they hope to get an ear.

If you are given the choice, you already showed that you'd prefer to live to fight another day despite the fact that you technically "lost." So why not play SC where that is the case everytime. You clearly dread the fact of dying and have shown you aren't going to be "stupid" and die when you've lost.

I know that if I was that psn necro, I'd feel cheated of my victory if I didn't get that ear. And that's exactly what you are doing.

[Module88]

yeah sc no pots allowed is usually how its played. I couldnt imagine making a godly char pouring in time and all my resources and because i hit F1 instead of F2 by mistake, I lose everything. I cant tell you how many times my trapsin runs out of town with BoS still at the ready and i start casting like mad thinking the only reason i dont see traps is because of lag lol.

That's just a player issue. In that case you deserve to lose.

[ThereisnoPeace]

I figured as much. This is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation I put you into.

If you didn't run to town, I'd say you have your honor as a dueler but are either incredibly stupid or have a much much greater devotion to this game than I can fathom.

If you did run to town, you might as well duel in softcore. You lost the duel, but you didn't die. This is what happens in SC. In HC, if you lose you are supposed to die. This is the risk that you claim to be so proud of, however you aren't doing what you preach. You might as well use chicken hack, you have no intention of dying if you lose anyway. You only want to have a "chance" of dying. Just luck basically. That lucky 1-2 hit KO due to incredibly lucky max damage/deadly/crit strikes.

Also, this severely limits the number of viable builds to the insta-kill builds. I've had 10 minute long NvN duels and some matchs were decided by as little as 20 hp. Easily some of the best matches I've had. Now, that would not happen in HC since the second someone sees just a sliver of life left they should by your example run to town and just say gg. Heck, all OW/Psn based builds are probably near non-existant on HC if they hope to get an ear.

If you are given the choice, you already showed that you'd prefer to live to fight another day despite the fact that you technically "lost." So why not play SC where that is the case everytime. You clearly dread the fact of dying and have shown you aren't going to be "stupid" and die when you've lost.

I know that if I was that psn necro, I'd feel cheated of my victory if I didn't get that ear. And that's exactly what you are doing.

very nicely put, I couldnt have said it better myself

[Inuyasha]

Pretty much the only reason I duel in SC is because of hackers. If they kill me, I don't lose everything, and I'm not cheated as much.

[xxsteelxx]

I figured as much. This is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation I put you into.

If you didn't run to town, I'd say you have your honor as a dueler but are either incredibly stupid or have a much much greater devotion to this game than I can fathom.

If you did run to town, you might as well duel in softcore. You lost the duel, but you didn't die. This is what happens in SC. In HC, if you lose you are supposed to die. This is the risk that you claim to be so proud of, however you aren't doing what you preach. You might as well use chicken hack, you have no intention of dying if you lose anyway. You only want to have a "chance" of dying. Just luck basically. That lucky 1-2 hit KO due to incredibly lucky max damage/deadly/crit strikes.

Also, this severely limits the number of viable builds to the insta-kill builds. I've had 10 minute long NvN duels and some matchs were decided by as little as 20 hp. Easily some of the best matches I've had. Now, that would not happen in HC since the second someone sees just a sliver of life left they should by your example run to town and just say gg. Heck, all OW/Psn based builds are probably near non-existant on HC if they hope to get an ear.

If you are given the choice, you already showed that you'd prefer to live to fight another day despite the fact that you technically "lost." So why not play SC where that is the case everytime. You clearly dread the fact of dying and have shown you aren't going to be "stupid" and die when you've lost.

I know that if I was that psn necro, I'd feel cheated of my victory if I didn't get that ear. And that's exactly what you are doing.

You cant seriosly apply sc bad manners to hard core duelin......well i guess u can since u just did lol. In hc if i lose a duel im "Suposed to die" ? Do u think if i posted in hc forums that i sometimes flux in a duel if i could they would flame me? I dont think so lol. You would flame cause ur basing dueling on sc manners.

This is the risk that you claim to be so proud of, however you aren't doing what you preach. You might as well use chicken hack, you have no intention of dying if you lose anyway. You only want to have a "chance" of dying. Just luck basically. That lucky 1-2 hit KO due to incredibly lucky max damage/deadly/crit strikes. .

You cant be seriose that if i flux i might as well use chicken lol...are u stupid?
hack vs no hack lol. 1 to 2 hit ko is lucky? Its called a good build and good equip that owns u. If 1 - 2 hit ko is just a lucky hit how come my 39 1 - 2 hit kos anything with 1-1.5 k life ? Its called most hc duelers not using low damage builds.


If you are given the choice, you already showed that you'd prefer to live to fight another day despite the fact that you technically "lost." So why not play SC where that is the case everytime. You clearly dread the fact of dying and have shown you aren't going to be "stupid" and die when you've lost..

Why wouldnt i live to fight another day ? Whats the point of wasting my char if the guy cant finish me off? You think i "Dread" losing my hc chars? Ya it sucks losing a char but u think i worry about it? I make duel chars knowing im going to die at some point. The zon that i started this ladder with is 90 atm and ive put alot of time/gear into her....but do u think if she died i would really care? I mean dude...u can get a char to 80 in a day. 90 in a couple more. So dont say i dread losing chars because i think most people that have played hc 4 a long time dont care to much


Also, this severely limits the number of viable builds to the insta-kill builds. I've had 10 minute long NvN duels and some matchs were decided by as little as 20 hp. Easily some of the best matches I've had. Now, that would not happen in HC since the second someone sees just a sliver of life left they should by your example run to town and just say gg. Heck, all OW/Psn based builds are probably near non-existant on HC if they hope to get an ear...

OW/Psn builds are non existant in hc. I guess its because all us hc players cant be as noble as u godly sc players. Like i want to be noble anyway lol. If i just stood there with 1 life and went back to duel i would be called the stupidest hc player in history lol.

I know that if I was that psn necro, I'd feel cheated of my victory if I didn't get that ear. And that's exactly what you are doing.

Then that would be ur falt 4 not being able to finish me off. Do u think hc players build duelers that dont have much chance of killing and have a 99% chance of being smoked? I dont think so lol/. Id take me 49 barb when hes done and duel any lvl poison necro. Id kill him before my life got to halved to 2k

[dumbpig]

hey look, theres people in SOFTCORE who use chicken these days.

[LLD-Vampire]

hey look, theres people in SOFTCORE who use chicken these days.
hahaha it's the idiots on d2loader for their bot.

Uh steel you say that you duel on hardcore because there is something to lose but then you say if you were going to lose a duel you would leave. Ok purpose completly and 100% defeated. Then your saying that 1-2hit ko builds are all that there are in HC so you don't have time to leave. Oops FoH GG YOU LOSE FUN DUEL Thats not dueling at all......

[Lyrs]

But why the heck would someone use Chicken in SOFTCORE?

/rhetorical question

Edit: You posted while i was writing up my post.

[LLD-Vampire]

But why the heck would someone use Chicken in SOFTCORE?

/rhetorical question
I answered that because I knew you were going to ask it! (I know you said rhetorical but) Some also have maphack were default has chicken on.

[Phyrexial]

@Steel: You claim to duel with the risk of dying, yet you seem to have no intention of taking that risk anyway. By running away you defeat the purpose of dueling in HC, to have permanent deaths.

You scoff at the builds that can't "finish you off"? The reason they didn't get to finish you off is because you wussed out and ran broken and beaten back to town like the weakling you are. I can only imagine what HC pubbies must be like. Some huge vita barb just running around taking cheap tele WW shots at duelers and running back to town if he gets hit, knowing full well that the chances of him being 1-2 hit KO'ed with so much life is near impossible.

If you intend to duel for the chance to kill or be killed, stay out and get the job done and embrace your vaunted risk. Otherwise, go play SC and quit your whining.

Like i want to be noble anyway lol. If i just stood there with 1 life and went back to duel i would be called the stupidest hc player in history lol.
Its fairly apparent to me now your dueling ethics. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm sure people that just "save and exit" after getting hit once everytime are considered the "smart" players of HC.

[xxsteelxx]

You guys really arnt to brite huh? Keep putting words in my mouth and assuming u know jack all about hc dueling. Face it ..even the few of u that played hc pussed out and are still sc, so u know thinging about hc duels. You think u do but ur veiw of me being a "weakling" and having bad "dueling ethics" would be laughed at in the hc community . Yes i am the weakling....im the one that has lost countless gear and chars and still loves it. You are the godly sc players who only worry about some gold and a little exp(pvm). gg

Yes u are right that must make me a pussy.

btw .. i never said sc dueling was stupid...i have fun hc dueling and u have fun sc dueling. I just wanted to know why. You may think i was saying sc was stupid at the beginning but maybe u guys should read ur own posts where u basicly said hc was stupid. Not like i really care what u think but just want to point that out.

btw .. forget what i said above...sc dueling is pointless and a few of u in the pvp forum need to get women or something cause ur just so uptight

:drink: ill drink to that :buddies:

[senji]

@Steel: You claim to duel with the risk of dying, yet you seem to have no intention of taking that risk anyway. By running away you defeat the purpose of dueling in HC, to have permanent deaths.

You scoff at the builds that can't "finish you off"? The reason they didn't get to finish you off is because you wussed out and ran broken and beaten back to town like the weakling you are. I can only imagine what HC pubbies must be like. Some huge vita barb just running around taking cheap tele WW shots at duelers and running back to town if he gets hit, knowing full well that the chances of him being 1-2 hit KO'ed with so much life is near impossible.

If you intend to duel for the chance to kill or be killed, stay out and get the job done and embrace your vaunted risk. Otherwise, go play SC and quit your whining.


Its fairly apparent to me now your dueling ethics. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm sure people that just "save and exit" after getting hit once everytime are considered the "smart" players of HC.


you imagine it wrong high life barbs in hc = poop fear teh godly blizz sor and hammerdin necro with engima

seriously no one spends time building a hc dueler to die just because he lost to someone else thats just being... following sc footsteps they admit their lost thats good enough but to kill their character because they lost? obsurd

most reason why people duel in hc is because they have a chance of totally waste someone else's effort and time by killing/pking their dueler can you do that in sc? no unless you stole their account @@

[xxsteelxx]

You know what i just did after u made that comment about my dueling "ethics" ? I went on my lvl 39 sc charger and wiped out about 20 baal games.

Heres a little of how it went:

-player 1 was slain by......
-player 2 was slain by......
-player 3 was slain by......
-player 4 was slain by......
-player 5 was slain by......
-player 6 was slain by.......
-player 7 was slain by......
-player 8 was slain by.....
-L33T PK picks up all the gold
-L33T PK nks everyone that walks back down and takes more gold
-Some players dont get the hint and keep walking down and get nk


Looks like i dont really care about dueling ethics in sc lol

Btw every hit was a 1 hit ko. I would have had to hold my head in shame if a kill took 2 hits.

Killing hc players is much more rewarding though.....

[senji]

your post made me remember 1.09 sc duels where amas keep down guading nking everyone but yet they still keep going outside

[Module88]

You guys really arnt to brite huh?

Did anyone catch this?

im the one that has lost countless gear and chars and still loves it. You are the godly sc players who only worry about some gold and a little exp(pvm). gg

Yes u are right that must make me a pussy.

How are those two even RELATED? Conversly, I see a relation withrunning away in HC to town right before you lose a duel, even though "you accept the risks of dying." It's not a lot of risk if you run to town and pot before you die now is it?

btw .. forget what i said above...sc dueling is pointless and a few of u in the pvp forum need to get women or something cause ur just so uptight

:drink: ill drink to that :buddies:

Pointless? If anything it has more purpose than HC "dueling" (if you can even call it that). HC doesn't even have dueling. It's all pk or gg you win I run to town now. That's not dueling at all. What I call pointless is spending two months mfing and making your pvp char and to have him die to a triple team. And have him stay dead. That's pointless.

[ADSL]

hahaha it's the idiots on d2loader for their bot.

Uh steel you say that you duel on hardcore because there is something to lose but then you say if you were going to lose a duel you would leave. Ok purpose completly and 100% defeated. Then your saying that 1-2hit ko builds are all that there are in HC so you don't have time to leave. Oops FoH GG YOU LOSE FUN DUEL Thats not dueling at all......

I normally but out of these arguements since its pointless.
But if you think your foh pala would kill much, and as easy as you post, then i have to say you are in fact clueless.

[LLD-Vampire]

I normally but out of these arguements since its pointless.
But if you think your foh pala would kill much, and as easy as you post, then i have to say you are in fact clueless.
Uh I'm kind of going off what he said................Read all posts k?

Yes we all know he miss spelled bright.

Nking people who are lvling using the gear they found in lvl 1 is no achievment.

And now I give up, come on people he tells us about the countless time and effort he puts in to chars and loses them (the times he cant esc enter fast enough) then tells US to get girls. Telling people over the internet to get girls is just about as low as you can get. Seriously the only way he could get lower was if he started with mom jokes.

Argueing with retards sucks.

[ADSL]

Uh I'm kind of going off what he said................Read all posts k?

.

i did infact read all post, k?

i dont want to get into the hc vs sc arguement, because guess why blizz , made both? tada...

but you trying to sound smart in a subject you know jack about to settle your little arguement isnt very smart

[Hells]

HC dueling as it's merits, the gear can be looted, but I'd still prefer SC dueling anyday. I dont like living on the edge :)

[senji]

I normally but out of these arguements since its pointless.
But if you think your foh pala would kill much, and as easy as you post, then i have to say you are in fact clueless.


i agree.
sc dueling strategies or builds doesn't always work in hc and sc dueling rules certertainly don't. the smart and decent hc dueler will always have a defense against the kind of damage your dealing.
take for example if a pure charger with tgods guardian angel wisp protecter and stacked lightresist to counter your conviction you will do next to no damage to him but sc people are going to call that probably " newbie absorb and high resist" apparently people don't even care in hc thats where i think sc and hc is completely different

you may think its boring that hc have limited builds compare to sc but its fun for others

[LLD-Vampire]

i agree.
sc dueling strategies or builds doesn't always work in hc and sc dueling rules certertainly don't. the smart and decent hc dueler will always have a defense against the kind of damage your dealing.
take for example if a pure charger with tgods guardian angel wisp protecter and stacked lightresist to counter your conviction you will do next to no damage to him but sc people are going to call that probably " newbie absorb and high resist" apparently people don't even care in hc thats where i think sc and hc is completely different

you may think its boring that hc have limited builds compare to sc but its fun for others
Thats what charge and smite is for.

[Matt]

A chargesmiter in FoH gear will get demolished by a competent high level dueler on either SC or HC.

[Phyrexial]

A chargesmiter in FoH gear will get demolished by a competent high level dueler on either SC or HC.
Have you heard of v/T's?

[Matt]

Yes I have, but I'm talking about a good dueler, in all the resist gear and all that Senji mentioned...
For example, lets assume a barb with max light resist and some good absorb, now, lets say that the paladin charges, blocked, hes built half as a caster, so he wont take a ton of punishment from a melee character, he will die.

Basically, this is a side discussion, but I'm just saying that its built as a half and half (half caster half melee) and if one half is totally negated, you are a half melee character, and while it is a good build, a serious dueler will probably win 75%+ of the fights, 75% the charge will be blocked, and the rest of the gear is half caster oriented, so he wont go toe to toe with another melee character too well.

Just my thoughts...

-Matt

[Metroid_01]

That's just a player issue. In that case you deserve to lose.

thats not neccisarily true, i duel with my fb sorc all the time...and ive been in the habit of making f12 my teleport hotkey. ive been dueling with fb sorcs since 1.10 came out....with the same exact hotkeys. every once in a while my hand slips and rather than hitting f12 i hit print screen, which is the opportunistic little button that takes a screenie of what ur doing. in case you didnt know, it first evaluates the situation with this question "does the player want to get back to his game fast or no" if yes it waits for 2 seconds and returns you....to be frozen for 2 whole seconds in a duel is like FOREVER. it also nearly garuntees your loss. i dont think its my fault that one in 500 times my hand accidentally slips and i get killed off.

i am a sc dueler all the way. i wouldnt be able to cope with working for weeks or months to put together a char just to see it gone in an instant. sc duels are fun because you can come back for more and learn from what you have done. this has gained me a very fun trick versus chars like blizz sorcs which im very proud of. dueling hardcore i would have NEVER discovered this, just because blizz sorcs are so hard to deal with anyways. it takes a long time to hone your skills dueling, hc its hard as hell without a nearly perfect build, or just a fast killing one.

[Phyrexial]

Yes I have, but I'm talking about a good dueler, in all the resist gear and all that Senji mentioned...
For example, lets assume a barb with max light resist and some good absorb, now, lets say that the paladin charges, blocked, hes built half as a caster, so he wont take a ton of punishment from a melee character, he will die.

Basically, this is a side discussion, but I'm just saying that its built as a half and half (half caster half melee) and if one half is totally negated, you are a half melee character, and while it is a good build, a serious dueler will probably win 75%+ of the fights, 75% the charge will be blocked, and the rest of the gear is half caster oriented, so he wont go toe to toe with another melee character too well.

Just my thoughts...

-Matt
You assume that the melee half of a v/T will lose to an all melee barb. ;) Trust me when I say that even being only half smiter, a smiter will still kill pretty much any and all melee minus very very good WW barbs. Conc barbs, zealers, fury druids, etc will generally all lose to a smiter. As long as Holy Shield is maxed, you're using an Elite shield (Exhile or Up'ed Herald preferable), and you hit the last IAS breakpoint you will most likely still beat all melee you come across. The difference between a v/t smiter and a pure smiter is mainly the defense difference you get from synergizing Holy Shield with Defiance. Damage is still around the same. Also, with Dracul's on, any smiter can be nasty.

Lets say the barb slaps on a 4 ptopaz shield and tgods to negate that FoH. Now you're barb is fighting a smiter with essentially a little less def but now you are out 35% dr from SS and 15% DR from Verd's. That smite is going to hurt alot more now. If you don't stack that light res, then FoH alone will kill you. This is the power of the v/t, versatility and the ability to force your opponent to change gear to be sub optimal.

[Phyrexial]

You know what i just did after u made that comment about my dueling "ethics" ? I went on my lvl 39 sc charger and wiped out about 20 baal games.

Heres a little of how it went:

-player 1 was slain by......
-player 2 was slain by......
-player 3 was slain by......
-player 4 was slain by......
-player 5 was slain by......
-player 6 was slain by.......
-player 7 was slain by......
-player 8 was slain by.....
-L33T PK picks up all the gold
-L33T PK nks everyone that walks back down and takes more gold
-Some players dont get the hint and keep walking down and get nk

Looks like i dont really care about dueling ethics in sc lol

Btw every hit was a 1 hit ko. I would have had to hold my head in shame if a kill took 2 hits.

Killing hc players is much more rewarding though.....
What difficulty were you PKing in? I do hope you were PKing in NM Baal runs, otherwise you have absolutely no reason to be bragging. I've PK'ed in normal Baal runs before with a level 25-29 Kicker. Using a 39 charger is child's play. You might as well use a level 80 tele necro.

Also, please tell me that you are on East NL SC. I'd love to have my 35 kicker duel your charger.

Lastly, I'd like to propose a question to you HC duelers. If you were put into a ring of sorts when you initiated a duel in HC and if you left, you were killed, would you still duel? This would guarantee someone dies once a duel is initiated. Seems like you HC duelers play to ruin other people's hard work, so this would be your chance. However, it would give them the same chance.

EDIT: Actually, came up with another question to guage what you HC duelers deem okay to do in duels. If a Trapper sin has you locked via Mindblast/Traps and you are slowly dying, would you save and exit or would you concede defeat and die?

[senji]

while alot of good builds like vts liberators works well in sc doesn't mean it works in hc. how do you think a v/t or a liberator fare against a pure deck out charger
forget about a barb
v/t = stack resist + absorb your basically screw
liberator = the charger's vigor out speed your hammers his charge > your charge

hc is not as hard as you think it just requires more strategy.

[senji]

What difficulty were you PKing in? I do hope you were PKing in NM Baal runs, otherwise you have absolutely no reason to be bragging. I've PK'ed in normal Baal runs before with a level 25-29 Kicker. Using a 39 charger is child's play. You might as well use a level 80 tele necro.

Also, please tell me that you are on East NL SC. I'd love to have my 35 kicker duel your charger.

Lastly, I'd like to propose a question to you HC duelers. If you were put into a ring of sorts when you initiated a duel in HC and if you left, you were killed, would you still duel? This would guarantee someone dies once a duel is initiated. Seems like you HC duelers play to ruin other people's hard work, so this would be your chance. However, it would give them the same chance.

thats exactly the reason why some people duel/pk in hardcore to ruin your char/time. they simply kill you for entertainment @@

[Phyrexial]

while alot of good builds like vts liberators works well in sc doesn't mean it works in hc. how do you think a v/t or a liberator fare against a pure deck out charger
forget about a barb
v/t = stack resist + absorb your basically screw
liberator = the charger's vigor out speed your hammers his charge > your charge

hc is not as hard as you think it just requires more strategy.
I think I can say in full confidence you know nothing about dueling.

I just explained that a v/t is not reliant on FoH and if you are ready for his FoH, you are weaker against his smite. And if you're build like my v/t, you should be more worried about his smite. Any good v/t will tell you that absorbers are not an issue as they have charge (for casters mainly) and smite to finish the job.

And what the heck are you talking about "the charger's vigor out speed your hammers"? I understand a pure charger beating a Liberator in a charge duel, but you do understand that if the Liberator just keeps spamming Hammers, the charger has no means of getting to the Liberator without eating at least one hammer. And 1-2 hammers is all it takes.

[senji]

are you serious? you think a trapper can work in serious hc duels? up against any decent player your traps will do next to no damage what good will your mindblast lock do when you can't hurt him he will get out of it sooner or later and then you are screw

you are probably going to call absorb is lame or people with no skills use it but people will and do it and they don't care. its not their fault if your build can be nullify so easily

heres a example
4k life barb dual lightsabre tgods 2 wisp muahahaha he can still damage you with 2 lightsabres gg

[mepersoner]

Trappers were never mentioned.

Edit: Oh I see.

They would slowly kill you with mindblast. It was a hypothetical question to show that you guys don't duel in hardcore with the risk of death.

[Phyrexial]

are you serious? you think a trapper can work in serious hc duels? up against any decent player your traps will do next to no damage what good will your mindblast lock do when you can't hurt him he will get out of it sooner or later and then you are screw

you are probably going to call absorb is lame or people with no skills use it but people will and do it and they don't care. its not their fault if your build can be nullify so easily

heres a example
4k life barb dual lightsabre tgods 2 wisp muahahaha he can still damage you with 2 lightsabres gg
Its a hypothetical question. However, I'll humor you. Lets say that Trapper turns out to be a WW sin/trapper hybrid (and yes, I've seen them) and now he's going to destroy your barb since with 2 LS you have no blocking and do crap damage.

This is turning into a "what if" game. I proposed that question because I want to see what a HC dueler's reaction would be to impending doom. I don't care about the semantics involved in whether or not it could happen.

[xxsteelxx]

What difficulty were you PKing in? I do hope you were PKing in NM Baal runs, otherwise you have absolutely no reason to be bragging. I've PK'ed in normal Baal runs before with a level 25-29 Kicker. Using a 39 charger is child's play. You might as well use a level 80 tele necro.

Also, please tell me that you are on East NL SC. I'd love to have my 35 kicker duel your charger.

Lastly, I'd like to propose a question to you HC duelers. If you were put into a ring of sorts when you initiated a duel in HC and if you left, you were killed, would you still duel? This would guarantee someone dies once a duel is initiated. Seems like you HC duelers play to ruin other people's hard work, so this would be your chance. However, it would give them the same chance.

EDIT: Actually, came up with another question to guage what you HC duelers deem okay to do in duels. If a Trapper sin has you locked via Mindblast/Traps and you are slowly dying, would you save and exit or would you concede defeat and die?


I was pkin in baals...and then i killed some lvl 12s in act 1 because i wanted to piss off sc noobs.

Im on west btw..but if i was i doubt ur kicker could handle a 75% block/max dr/ 1500 life charger that delt out 1.2 k pvp(low i know but i dont mf in sc lol). I know kickers...maybe u would get a pile of blocks in a row and might win but i doubt it. Kickers are basicly effective against 2 handed chargers. Any good 1 hander would beat u most of the time.

[xxsteelxx]

This is turning into a "what if" game. I proposed that question because I want to see what a HC dueler's reaction would be to impending doom. I don't care about the semantics involved in whether or not it could happen.

You already know the answer to this ..u must be thick. We hc players dont give a crap about ur sc dueling "ethics". They mean nothing to us since hc dueling and sc dueling are so diffrent. Why would any hc player let themselves be killed slowly by mindblast lol. Thats the stupidest thing i ever heard.

[senji]

I think I can say in full confidence you know nothing about dueling.

I just explained that a v/t is not reliant on FoH and if you are ready for his FoH, you are weaker against his smite. And if you're build like my v/t, you should be more worried about his smite. Any good v/t will tell you that absorbers are not an issue as they have charge (for casters mainly) and smite to finish the job.

And what the heck are you talking about "the charger's vigor out speed your hammers"? I understand a pure charger beating a Liberator in a charge duel, but you do understand that if the Liberator just keeps spamming Hammers, the charger has no means of getting to the Liberator without eating at least one hammer. And 1-2 hammers is all it takes.


a liberator uses hammers and charge right? how are you going to kill him you can't just simply use hammers to kill him while you both got max vigor sooner or later the pure charger will just 1 hit ko you

let me tell you how usless a v/t is on hc.
you said v/ts have no problems against absorbers fine that means one of your skills in your build is lock if people use any slight of absorb

next is charge you think you can charge a caster everytime while they got 75% block.
heres a list of casters
windruid
bone necro
blizz/fire/light sor
pure hammerdin
if you don't have any absorb gear or max resist on your setup your gonna get kill easily and if you do switch to absorb and max resist gear that means your build is weakend to a extent

tell me how your going to smite a wind druid hammerdin necro with engima you will be dead befor you get a lock in

so what if you can do like 200 damage with your foh its not enough to kill them off competely sure you have charge foh and smite you got versatility but that doesn't mean you can use it on hc

we are all playing on a different environment you can't really compare sc againts hc

i won't be replying to this thread any longer i have nothing against anyone who have posted im just saying what you have posted are not gonna work in hc anyone duel in hc will know it

[mepersoner]

Teleport on top of chargeer + hammers = gg?

Yeah, it'll miss multiple times, but you don't even have to do that, just stand there and spam hammers will for the most part win it for you against someone who doesn't have a ranged attack.

[Phyrexial]

a liberator uses hammers and charge right? how are you going to kill him you can't just simply use hammers to kill him while you both got max vigor sooner or later the pure charger will just 1 hit ko you

let me tell you how usless a v/t is on hc.
you said v/ts have no problems against absorbers fine that means one of your skills in your build is lock if people use any slight of absorb

next is charge you think you can charge a caster everytime while they got 75% block.
heres a list of casters
windruid
bone necro
blizz/fire/light sor
pure hammerdin
if you don't have any absorb gear or max resist on your setup your gonna get kill easily and if you do switch to absorb and max resist gear that means your build is weakend to a extent

tell me how your going to smite a wind druid hammerdin necro with engima you will be dead befor you get a lock in

so what if you can do like 200 damage with your foh its not enough to kill them off competely sure you have charge foh and smite you got versatility but that doesn't mean you can use it on hc

we are all playing on a different environment you can't really compare sc againts hc

i won't be replying to this thread any longer i have nothing against anyone who have posted im just saying what you have posted are not gonna work in hc anyone duel in hc will know it
If the liberator simply stands still (with Concentration on of course) and spams hammers, you will not get to him 99% of the time. Even if by some miracle you get through, you have a 1 in 4 chance of hitting him. And if you miss/get blocked, you are going to die on your way out.

As for the v/t, I didn't say it would beat anything and everything. Certain builds will beat a v/t 99% of the time, like Windies for obvious reasons. However, to say that it can't work is ignorant. Also, all of those builds are the power builds of D2 minus the sorcs. Like all single element casters, they can be negated if you intend to be BM. The necro/windy/hammerdin you will generally lose to if they negate your FoH. The Windy doesn't have to though.

[Matt]

Umm... you cant say senji doesnt know anything about dueling, Senji is a pretty well known hardcore dueler.

And about that whole would I go into a situation where one person was GUARANTEED to lose? With some conditions, yes. For example, it would have to be conscensual. I wouldent want some level 53 barbarian challenging me and me being forced to accept, however, I would go into it with anyone who i seriously duel.

I would go into it with ANYONE my level or lower, I dont like people who are so willing to duel people below them, but nothing their level or higher (for example, bring their 83 when I hostile with my 14, then when i tell them thats not a fair duel, and return with my 87, only to have them sit in town, lotsa talk when they have ~70 levels on me :) )


I would go into that "ring" thing with anyone my level or lower, as well as most anyone 3 levels higher than me, and any pvmer under 25.

Basically, youcan usually tell who is a very well setup character (perfect jewels indicate time and perfection, therefore, probably high end charms, basically, the gist of it is yes, most anyone I duel now, I would go into a situation where someone WOULD die, but not everyone, I do duel people I really shouldent (level 25 assassin, 25 paladin and 39 druid for example)
And i sure wouldent do it against them, because I do that for fun, I dont think I could really kill any duelers over ~20 who are using high end gear...

As for people I PK, yes I would, pking is not fun because I think its a challenge to kill pvmers 5-10 levels higher than me, its really not, its fun because theres more to it than:
A. killing monsters who sit there in packs waiting for you, and except for an occasional pack, are not too deadly as a whole.
B. dueling, its more pvp skill based, but theres no hunting, just blood moor dueling.

When I pk, I have to find where the party is, based on TP's, dialogue and the game name, then take a wp, either behind or ahead of the group, follow trails of monsters/shrines/items to find them, and ambush them, its so much fun hunting, thats the fun of pking, the ear is just a trophy that you outsmarted them, nobody is suprised that you outgeared them.

I really dont pk or duel to like kill peoples dreams or something.. I do it because fighting a human is more fun than fighting an AI opponent. Humans think, play smarter (usually) and vary their tactics more, they can be outsmarted, the thrill of the hunt is what makes it so fun, and is why I do it, not to be sadistic and laugh because I just "pwned joo" or something.
-Matt

[Lyrs]

This brings up the whole: you want to fight a group of pvmers who won't have the best pvp gear and are planning for long term skills, and you consider that fun?

[mepersoner]

Actually we can, and will, claim he knows nothing of dueling. Regardless of whether or not he's well known is irrevelant. He talks nonsense that doesn't work in practical dueling. I've known some really bad "well-known" duelers and that means nothing.

[Matt]

Thats a good point, but i just dont think it holds up with Senji.. his reputation is not one of someone who made 14 duelers at one time, and therefore everyone knows who he is... Senjis reputation is one of someone who DOES know what he is talking about... I must admit, I'm far from knowledgable on v/t'y myself, I'm just brainstorming, ive never made one, I'm saying what I think would happen, doesnt mean I'm right, and I conscider myself a pretty good dueler...

And lyrs, Yes, I do find it fun, Ill RESTATE why. (I specifically said this in my last post) Actually, I dont feel like retyping, so ill copy paste word for word from my last post...


QUOTE: "As for people I PK, yes I would, pking is not fun because I think its a challenge to kill pvmers 5-10 levels higher than me, its really not, its fun because theres more to it than:
A. killing monsters who sit there in packs waiting for you, and except for an occasional pack, are not too deadly as a whole.
B. dueling, its more pvp skill based, but theres no hunting, just blood moor dueling.

When I pk, I have to find where the party is, based on TP's, dialogue and the game name, then take a wp, either behind or ahead of the group, follow trails of monsters/shrines/items to find them, and ambush them, its so much fun hunting, thats the fun of pking, the ear is just a trophy that you outsmarted them, nobody is suprised that you outgeared them.
END of quote.

Word for word... maybe read my post a little more carefully next time, that question ALWAYS comes up, so i covered my bases ahead of time...

-Matt

[xxsteelxx]

man this thread is really getting my post count up :drink:

[sohcan]

Play whichever you prefer, bickering about why you think your choice is better is pointless. Having a pissing contest because someone chooses to play the game differently than you is just sad.

I played both, I prefer hc, its more enjoyable for me. Yay me!

You play softcore and you find it more enjoyable? Yay you!

Now everyone can pat themselves on the back and cease this senseless thread. I know I am delusional for even suggesting it. :D

[mepersoner]

I have a bigger e-penis.

[Lyrs]

I have a bigger e-penis.

I'll need proof.

[mepersoner]

I thought the way I paraded around with a haughty, arrogant, mean, and all around-cocky attitude was enough proof, what do you want from me?

[Phyrexial]

Thats a good point, but i just dont think it holds up with Senji.. his reputation is not one of someone who made 14 duelers at one time, and therefore everyone knows who he is... Senjis reputation is one of someone who DOES know what he is talking about... I must admit, I'm far from knowledgable on v/t'y myself, I'm just brainstorming, ive never made one, I'm saying what I think would happen, doesnt mean I'm right, and I conscider myself a pretty good dueler...
When he states utter nonsense, I have a feeling he doesn't live up to that reputation. I can only imagine what he had to do to get it in the first place.

Find a 15k Hammerdin and tell him to spam hammers in place. Then, get any charger you want and if you can land a hit on him without Enigma tele I'll be thoroughly impressed.

@Steel: By the way, what is your account on West, I believe I've found a challenger for your charger.

[Lyrs]

I thought the way I paraded around with a haughty, arrogant, mean, and all around-cocky attitude was enough proof, what do you want from me?

Your d2 acct name and password. and i prefer pictures. i have yet to see what exactly this thing called e-penis looks like.

as for the thread at hand, i'm sure everyone loves doing whatever they do. I too would love being a fully prepared dueler going into a game to fight ill-prepared pvm'ers and call it a challenge. Reminds me so much of being in high school.

[senji]

When he states utter nonsense, I have a feeling he doesn't live up to that reputation. I can only imagine what he had to do to get it in the first place.

Find a 15k Hammerdin and tell him to spam hammers in place. Then, get any charger you want and if you can land a hit on him without Enigma tele I'll be thoroughly impressed.

@Steel: By the way, what is your account on West, I believe I've found a challenger for your charger.

i said i would stop responding to this thread but dood your insane going this far i never said pure hammerdins didn't work in hc i said liberators and v/ts tell me how you can do 15k hammers with a vt or liberator just drop it man everyone else did. im not saying you sc duelers are newbs here or you are inferior im just saying you just don't understand hc dueling unless you try it for your self

btw if you think those build works in hc why don't you build one your self and try to challenge some decent duelers on west or east liberator and vt that is

i don't even care if you think i know nothing about dueling or what kind of reputation i got. heck i don't even know i had a reputation in the hc forum lol

it looks to me you got alot of time on your hands to make post everywhere just to prove that you are right
i reply because i never said anything about a pure charger vs a pure hammerdin you just put that in your self

[Phyrexial]

My mistake, got carried away. Instead of 15k hammers, you'll be dealing with around 9k Hammers. So instead of a 1 hit kill, you'll be worrying about a 2 hit kill. My solemn apologies.

As for why I don't go ahead and make those builds on HC:
1) I don't have the time/wealth to fund both HC and SC duelers as I'm only just starting to become wealthy again on the East SC Ladder. Also, it would be a terrible waste of my time if I poured all my resources into one of these high level duelers only to risk losing it all over a potentially stupid mistake, hacks, or some lag related element. However, if you would like to make a pure charger and prove this to me on East Ladder, I'd love to see it.

[Module88]

thats not neccisarily true, i duel with my fb sorc all the time...and ive been in the habit of making f12 my teleport hotkey. ive been dueling with fb sorcs since 1.10 came out....with the same exact hotkeys. every once in a while my hand slips and rather than hitting f12 i hit print screen, which is the opportunistic little button that takes a screenie of what ur doing. in case you didnt know, it first evaluates the situation with this question "does the player want to get back to his game fast or no" if yes it waits for 2 seconds and returns you....to be frozen for 2 whole seconds in a duel is like FOREVER. it also nearly garuntees your loss. i dont think its my fault that one in 500 times my hand accidentally slips and i get killed off.


It's your mistake, it's your fault, and you deserve to lose for it. You could easily control that. Why your teleport is so far out of reach is beyond me. The way you set your hotkeys is very important when it comes to dueling. Mistakes are what make good duelers lose to other good duelers.

[xxsteelxx]

When he states utter nonsense, I have a feeling he doesn't live up to that reputation. I can only imagine what he had to do to get it in the first place.

Find a 15k Hammerdin and tell him to spam hammers in place. Then, get any charger you want and if you can land a hit on him without Enigma tele I'll be thoroughly impressed.

@Steel: By the way, what is your account on West, I believe I've found a challenger for your charger.

oh i see..ur just gonna get other people to try me lol. You can tell them to try me at xxsteelpkxx..but good luck since thats a sc account and i dont waste my time on it much.

[Will]

I'd just like to point out to alot of you guys, that when talking to steel, you keep talking to him as if he represents the entire hc community, which he doesn't. He is speaking for himself, not anyone else in the hc community. While I duel exclusively on hardcore, I don't have any beef with players on softcore, and as long as they respect me, I'll respect them. Its only when threads like these pop up, where people start generalizing and stereotyping both soft and hardcore players that I take offense. So, in conclusion, how about we all save our anger for the botters, script users, and Canadians. There the real enemies. (JK Canada, we love ya baby.)

[LLD-Vampire]

oh i see..ur just gonna get other people to try me lol. You can tell them to try me at xxsteelpkxx..but good luck since thats a sc account and i dont waste my time on it much.
:O I just got a wonderful idea. Duel people who are ment for lld! (it's so crazy it just might be fair) But it's ok if your happy with attacking people in baal runs who are using random gear they found.

[Phyrexial]

oh i see..ur just gonna get other people to try me lol. You can tell them to try me at xxsteelpkxx..but good luck since thats a sc account and i dont waste my time on it much.
Well, considering I don't have anything on West, its just easier to find a friend of mine that is already there. If you've got something against that, I'm sure I can have some friends help put together something for me. Just seems like a waste of time though.

If you spend your time mainly on HC though, drop me that account and we'll message you if thats fine by you.

I'd just like to point out to alot of you guys, that when talking to steel, you keep talking to him as if he represents the entire hc community, which he doesn't. He is speaking for himself, not anyone else in the hc community. While I duel exclusively on hardcore, I don't have any beef with players on softcore, and as long as they respect me, I'll respect them. Its only when threads like these pop up, where people start generalizing and stereotyping both soft and hardcore players that I take offense. So, in conclusion, how about we all save our anger for the botters, script users, and Canadians. There the real enemies. (JK Canada, we love ya baby.)
I've been making it a point to direct my arguments at whomever I'm talking to, or at least trying to. I don't meant to generalize, I'm sure HC has plenty of rotten apples just as SC does. I'm sorry if any of my derogatory comments seem to be directed at the HC community as a whole.

To be clear, I have nothing but the utmost respect for the PvM and legit PK aspects of HC. I personally would enjoy those alot if not for the hacks (tppk) and lag deaths which seem to come with the territory. :grrr: I play to duel these days though and until I get some good SC duelers up and running on the new Ladder, I can't experiement with HC. Perhaps in a few months I'll head back to HC for some PvM action. I don't see HC dueling as all that much fun, but to each his own. However, I'm finding some of the arguments in this thread for HC dueling to be incorrect or illogical, hence my continued participation in this thread. Oh yeah, and Steel is a cocky bastard. :lol:

[Matt]

vampire and lyrs, do we need to start the whole pking discussion? It appears so... Ill start it, you can keep it going if you want :uhhuh:

I dont pk because im too scared to duel real duelers. I pk because when you duel, the challenge is in the fact that your opponents can kill you if you mess up, when you pk, the challenge is hunting down a party or individual who could be anywhere in any act for all you know when you join the game, then to hunt them down and kill them.

Compare it to hunting in real life. (which i dont do, killing an animal is different from a computer graphic, dont tell me it wastes your time, all you have lost is some time, and when you click the hardcore box, you had damn well be ready to lose that time at some point or youre in the wrong game mode)
You walk into the woods with a gun. The "fun" of it is hunting down your prey and killing it before it gets away, because, obviously, you cant chase down a running deer, you have to be smarter than your prey, find it by following a trail, then kill it before it escapes you.
Obviously, the deer is not going to turn around and kick you, it can only run or try to escape, the whole idea behind pking is NOT to go find a worthy 1v1 challenge to your character, its to have a blast hunting down people who, most of the time, will be smart enough to escape you, the odds are NOT in your favor when you hostile a group, they have 10 whole seconds before I even take any wps, dont tell me you dont have time to escape.

Basically, Iam not claiming I am a good dueler because I can take down 7 pvmers my level at once, I am claiming im a good DUELER because I duel and (so far) beat anyone my level. Theres very little correlation between how strong your character is and how many ears you get pking, nobody expects the pvmers to be a challange once you catch them, the fun/challenge is in catching them, because they have PLENTY of time to escape.

-Matt

[xxsteelxx]

I acctually do take my 39 into lld games in sc and normally win most of my duels..the only hard duels ive found was a game with a couple of really good assns. Those duels where pretty even. Id ko them a few times but if they got a bunch of good blocks they would wittle my life down.

hc account is xxsteelmfx plz no flames to my account and i will not flame urs. And if i dont respond right away im prob mfin in hell and since typeing can = death ill get back to u

[LLD-Vampire]

I acctually do take my 39 into lld games in sc and normally win most of my duels..the only hard duels ive found was a game with a couple of really good assns. Those duels where pretty even. Id ko them a few times but if they got a bunch of good blocks they would wittle my life down.

hc account is xxsteelmfx plz no flames to my account and i will not flame urs. And if i dont respond right away im prob mfin in hell and since typeing can = death ill get back to u
Pubby LLDs are idiots in the middle of lvling who want to see how their char does with an occational real lvl 9 dueler killing the lvl 30s using sigons and ****.


@Matt If you go into a baal run I don't think it's a secret where they are. That and I'de say 70% of people who do HC use chicken to leave when they are hostiled. I have a lvl 9 char I take into hc baal games JUST to hostile and see how many leave right away. Fear the lvl 9!

[Matt]

Thats very true LLD-Vampire, but in many games, it can be hard to find some people.

For example, Joining act2 sewer games, only to see a TP to the arcane sanctuary, then you take the Canyon WP to see if they are there yet, if not, go back to arcane, check the 4 ways, see which has dead monsters, hunt em down!

Basically, in many games, people are not all together (and the ones away from the group often dont go to town, find them and get an ear a lot ofthe time) Yeah, i see what you mean, but its a fun change of pace to run down your prey and attack them, espically if you can get them doing the staff (if they are in the far oasis, come at them from the lost city, they wont see you coming as easily, espically maphackers, they see a red X running through a sea of red X's (monsters)

-Matt

[xxsteelxx]

Pubby LLDs are idiots in the middle of lvling who want to see how their char does with an occational real lvl 9 dueler killing the lvl 30s using sigons and ****.


@Matt If you go into a baal run I don't think it's a secret where they are. That and I'de say 70% of people who do HC use chicken to leave when they are hostiled. I have a lvl 9 char I take into hc baal games JUST to hostile and see how many leave right away. Fear the lvl 9!


ya ur right..most lld chars can take a 1.2 pvp hit right?

[Phyrexial]

@Matt: I definetly understand what you're saying, I enjoy the hunt as much as the actual killing when its done with some degree of sportsmanship. I PK with a level 18 charger so there is a high chance I could get beaten once I find them if they are decently outfitted and know what they are doing. This way there is the thrill of the hunt followed by the thrill of battle. If finding your prey is all you're in it for, you're missing half the fun in my opinion. ;)

@Steel: Of course I'm not going to flame your account, thats just childish. I'll inform the challengers that you might be busy, so hopefully they don't get ancy.

[ADSL]

Ill add abit to matts greats posts, i pk alot aswell, with the same reasons as matt does. its also the thrill of seeing the pkks without fighting them because if you pk like most from these forums does its with lower lvl chars than the prey, so the pkk will have access to better jewels and charms etc. = your dead if you fight them most likely
i have lost a few pks to pkkers, but i am getting pretty good at spotting them right away, it can be hints in lvl class and name. and even behavior.

[Mephistho]

steel, seriously, you disgust me with your arrogance and leet xx's in your name...

and you said in one post that others needed to get women while you make a level 80 char in one day? :scratch:

[LLD-Vampire]

steel, seriously, you disgust me with your arrogance and leet xx's in your name...

and you said in one post that others needed to get women while you make a level 80 char in one day? :scratch:
XX'S pwn j00! TEH HAXX!! uh sorry yeah. We've already concluded steel has no idea what he is talking about. Other people who play hc and post on this forums are asking that we not stereotype hc players based on him.... If we did HC would be everyone trying to pk everyone else with hammerdins and FoHers and everyone would be 95 in 2 days!

[xxsteelxx]

XX'S pwn j00! TEH HAXX!! uh sorry yeah. We've already concluded steel has no idea what he is talking about. Other people who play hc and post on this forums are asking that we not stereotype hc players based on him.... If we did HC would be everyone trying to pk everyone else with hammerdins and FoHers and everyone would be 95 in 2 days!

You mean 1 person said that right? Plz tell me where i ever said anything about fohers and hammerdins plz. You must think words like "charger" and "ur kinda slow" mean "hammerdin" and "foher"

i dont really get what ur 95 in 2 days thing mean ..its just kinda dumb. If ur refering to 80 in a day ...well its not hard, and dosnt take much time if u got friends to rush/enchant. Going from 80 - 95 takes a while longer ...or maybe u dont lvl high chars and just dont know this...

[xxsteelxx]

steel, seriously, you disgust me with your arrogance and leet xx's in your name...

and you said in one post that others needed to get women while you make a level 80 char in one day? :scratch:

you need women because u sc guys are so damn uptight.

all u sc guys talking reminds me of a little joke i heard.

What did the one fat chick say the the other fat chick?

Who cares...there fat chicks.

......Now just replace "fat chick" with "uptight sc forum users" and u get me point

[LordDrift]

who cares what you hc guys hafta argue about?

that reminds me of the special olympics

even if you win the arguement, you guys are still reta rded

[Matt]

Steel, the hole is only getting deeper buddy :uhhuh:

Lorddrift, your arguments are mind blowing, were you on your high school debate team or what, because you are a professional. Oh wait, not at all.

Cmon guys, this could be a good discussion, lets not turn it into a pointless flame fest ok?

[Mephistho]

you need women because u sc guys are so damn uptight.

all u sc guys talking reminds me of a little joke i heard.

What did the one fat chick say the the other fat chick?

Who cares...there fat chicks.

......Now just replace "fat chick" with "uptight sc forum users" and u get me point

1: telling other people to "get a life" or "get laid" or "get women" over the internet is so.... nerdlike..... assaulting other people's real life while you don't know them at all is worse but so far you haven't tried that

2: nice generalising btw

3: I guess you don't like sc players... be assured, sc players don't like you either...

4: Forum trolls should be banned... people like you only make flames.. you don't like a certain group but still you go looking for them

5: No I dont see your point.. maybe I'm just not "brite" enough?

[xxsteelxx]

Steel, the hole is only getting deeper buddy :uhhuh:

Lorddrift, your arguments are mind blowing, were you on your high school debate team or what, because you are a professional. Oh wait, not at all.

Cmon guys, this could be a good discussion, lets not turn it into a pointless flame fest ok?

im so far in the hole i might as well keep diggin and make the best out of it lol

[LLD-Vampire]

1: telling other people to "get a life" or "get laid" or "get women" over the internet is so.... nerdlike..... assaulting other people's real life while you don't know them at all is worse but so far you haven't tried that

2: nice generalising btw

3: I guess you don't like sc players... be assured, sc players don't like you either...

4: Forum trolls should be banned... people like you only make flames.. you don't like a certain group but still you go looking for them

5: No I dont see your point.. maybe I'm just not "brite" enough?
The hc players don't seem to like him either.

@Steel must you point out whenever I exxagerate stop posting everywhere saying stuff so we all know your a hc player. You make it VERY clear in every post. Guess what NO ONE CARES. Some people play hc some play sc GET OVER IT. Why can't this thread be closed, he knows he just made it to flame sc players despite what he says.

[HolyKnight_S]

You can always collect ears on SC to build a collection. That's what I do....

[LordDrift]

Steel, the hole is only getting deeper buddy :uhhuh:

Lorddrift, your arguments are mind blowing, were you on your high school debate team or what, because you are a professional. Oh wait, not at all.

Cmon guys, this could be a good discussion, lets not turn it into a pointless flame fest ok?

you say don't flame yet you flame? are you an idiot? or just plain stupid... i believe they say ignorance is a bliss. you hc ppl think you know everything, but in reality what do you know? how to chicken out in a duel? finish a duel then talk to me ok? other then that don't talk

[xxsteelxx]

[QUOTE=Phyrexial
@Steel: Of course I'm not going to flame your account, thats just childish. I'll inform the challengers that you might be busy, so hopefully they don't get ancy.[/QUOTE]



@ people msged me..a 29 defiance/zealer and a 35 kicker. I cant remember exactly how many win/loss vs the kicker. I think she beat me 2-3 times and i beat her maybe 6-7. Cant remember exactly.

zealer it was more even since he was so damn hard to hit.

both duels i ran out of mana..in about 4-5 charges and had to stand there and let them hit me to give mana

Both peps where very polite..and good duelers.

gg 2 both

[Phyrexial]

I haven't heard from the zealer, but the kicker said it was pretty even. Around 3-4 or 3-3. Anyway, hope you guys had fun and the kicker proved kickers can do pretty decently against your charger. ;)

[xxsteelxx]

I haven't heard from the zealer, but the kicker said it was pretty even. Around 3-4 or 3-3. Anyway, hope you guys had fun and the kicker proved kickers can do pretty decently against your charger. ;)

ya they where both good duels. Kickers own 2 hand chargers 1 handers give them some trouble. Fighting the zealer i came to realize that zeal>pure charge in sc since noone pots/exits. You dont see many zealers on hc cause they dont have the 1 hit ko power of charge.

If anyone else is up 4 some friendly...good mannered dueles like these plz w/ me at xxsteelmfxx

[_OrpheusPrime_]

hmm what if it was ok to duel HC and SC and neither side was right? :lol:


















omg what was i thinking? :lol:

[ADSL]

Before i start this post, i would have to say to some sc players like most who have posted in this thread, sry for the generalising.

Lorddrift you are prooving to some that, sc players a newbie kids that dont know wtf they are doing, they all think that they know everything about everything but in reality they know jack about anything.
guess what 99,999% of all hc played sc before they started hc, so guess what we all know, how both sides work... you on the other hand know jack about either.


again, sry to the sc players who know how to play both sides, but prefer sc, from whatever reason they do.

lorddrift you sir are an idiot. and welcome to my ignore list

[Matt]

LordDrift, I'm sorry for the flame I posted in the last thread, I try to avoid it, however, look at who I chose to flame. I'm not flaming softcore duelers, I'm not being a hardcore elitist or something, read my damn posts.

You obviously dont know a damn thing about me or how I duel. I NEVER have and NEVER will use chickenhack, bots, triggers, any hack (I used maphack about a year and a half ago in softcore, hated it, never looked back)

As for not finishing a duel, and not dueling anyone but people who i can beat (you implied it, saying i would chicken out if I was losing), My 14 (FOURTEEN) Assassin had 22 ears in 2 days, probably 3 of which were lower level than her. (22 ears in 3 days is very good for HC pking, where 2/3rd of the people in many games chickenhack out the moment i hostile the game)

the highest EAR was a level 27 barb, I beat a 39 sorceress the day I died, I split 2 duels with a 39 druid, and I died to a mid 40's enchantress with an enchanted mercenary.

Now if dueling people with 30 levels on me, who have scanned my gear, while I am obviously hack free, and carrying through on the fight, where I eventually died (so much for your chickenhack theory eh?) is your idea of being a chickenhacking lamer who is too scared to duel anything which is a real challenge, than I am guilty.

The only reason I flamed you in the first place was because you made an utterly stupid post which generalized the entire hardcore community as a bunch of elitists who, despite being elitists, dont know what they are talking about.

Obviously, you were wrong, anyone can plainly see that you are the one who doesnt have a clue what you are talking about.
The reason I felt this post nessecary, is that I do everything I can to be a legit player, and I challenge myself in duels, I dont do what you seem to imply, fighting people I am sure I can beat only then claiming I have a good dueler on that alone. I fight people who can easily kill my character all the time, I win some, they win some, and despite what you would say, I dont use chickenhack, as you can probably imagine, losing a hardcore character is not too bad, you accept its death before it happens, but to have some idiot, lorddrift, who doesnt know me at all, tell me that I use chickenhack, and cheat, and that I dont "finish a duel", well, that pisses me off.

Well LordDrift, I finished a duel, every damn one I fought in in fact, and now I'm talking to you, I'm telling you that I duel people with 30 levels on me, something you (personally) probably dont do even in softcore duels, and I'm also telling you that if you ever decide to play hardcore, you had better watch your back, because my duelers, xTalarrax and Talarra-ii will be hunting you down, and I will duel ANY character you make, level 9-99, and I wont use chickenhack or any other hacks, though if you come over, I give it an 80% chance that you would, you dont seem like the kind of person who could avoid your chance at hacks, from the little (fortunatly) i know of you.

Now, I'm going to stop flaming you before I get banned over something which is not worth it. (arguing with you) I'll continue posting in this thread if there is something I want to respond to, though I am going to ignore any more of LordDrifts posts, the ignore list will do that sometimes.

-Matt

[LordDrift]

lol @ Matt, hes the biggest hypocrite ive meet, he says he tries to not flame yet he does it again. Like saying i say he uses hacks, then he accuses me of using them, oh yes i need chicken life on SC, you must know every life of my detail.

Why are you HC duelers so into LLD? Wait a sec here, i know...ur afraid to lose ur built characters in a few seconds. WOW that must be it.

[xxsteelxx]

lol @ Matt, hes the biggest hypocrite ive meet, he says he tries to not flame yet he does it again. Like saying i say he uses hacks, then he accuses me of using them, oh yes i need chicken life on SC, you must know every life of my detail.

Why are you HC duelers so into LLD? Wait a sec here, i know...ur afraid to lose ur built characters in a few seconds. WOW that must be it.

Why u assume we all lld only? I cant speak 4 matt since i dont know him that well but both myself and senji mid and high lvl duel as well as lld.

I have a 49 barb 90% complete and a future 90 necro who is lvl 50 atm and looking 4 gear.

[LordDrift]

Why u assume we all lld only? I cant speak 4 matt since i dont know him that well but both myself and senji mid and high lvl duel as well as lld.

I have a 49 barb 90% complete and a future 90 necro who is lvl 50 atm and looking 4 gear.

i didnt assume i read it from his post if u didnt see. a future necro doesnt mean crap unless it is that level, and im sure u constantly will worry about being killed, am i right? you take the risk in dueling and losing ur chr, while sc ppl risk gettin hacked for to godly of chrs. hmm hack or dying seems the same to me

[Mephistho]

guess what 99,999% of all hc played sc before they started hc, so guess what we all know, how both sides work... you on the other hand know jack about either.

Then why do hc players have to ask sc players why they pvp in softcore?


And to finally answer the big question, players in softcore play pvp because there actually is something at stake, and it's called "pride". But I guess I shouldn't ask HC players to understand this... they never will anyway

[NightShade]

Two words :

God mode.


Hc dueling will be owned thuroughly with the current system. C'mon BAN!....I mean, a 12k zerk will still kill a sorc/zon/necro...but anything else is still immune to my attacks basically unless it's a 1 shot

[LLD-Vampire]

Your pride shouldn't depend on if you beat someone in a game :).

People SC duel for fun. Thats the point of games.

[TheCerberus]

SC dueling is fun. I'm sure HC dueling is fun too, except for me killing someone in SC = someone running to town in HC. A win is a win, I just like to have duels out of 7 and such where I actually do kill.

[xxsteelxx]

i didnt assume i read it from his post if u didnt see. a future necro doesnt mean crap unless it is that level, and im sure u constantly will worry about being killed, am i right? you take the risk in dueling and losing ur chr, while sc ppl risk gettin hacked for to godly of chrs. hmm hack or dying seems the same to me

acctually...since ladder began i havnt died yet (pvm), and last ladder i had 1 char die...so i dont really worry about dieing, and if i die it really dosnt matter much. Its not hard to avoid pks...even ones with hacks.
And no all my chars arnt in norm if thats ur next question. 89/79/69/50/49/39/20. So one char is in norm .

[HolyKnight_S]

People duel in sc for fun and pride. There are also a lot of hacks that people use on hardcore. Haven't you all, the ones who claim hc is the only way to play and it pawnzorz111111, heard of the hacks, like chicken. There are some that are worse than chicken. There are the ones that keep refilling your life. So what's the point of getting killed by something you have no control over. Oh shoot I guess I just lost m level 99 character to someone with black screen hack or whatever, oh well I'll go make a new one. Oh shoot now I don't have enigma and my gcs :(. And that's just pure mean what some of you have said to lorddrift. Calm down and give the guy a break. This site is supposed to be for other things, not flaming at people for no reason. The person with the amazon avatar, that said she would ignore lord drift, you seriously need some phsycological counseling. The off topic forum has some great helpers. Maybe make a post there . :buddies:

[ADSL]

Then why do hc players have to ask sc players why they pvp in softcore?


And to finally answer the big question, players in softcore play pvp because there actually is something at stake, and it's called "pride". But I guess I shouldn't ask HC players to understand this... they never will anyway

Hmm well because if you are a HC player and a real HC player <- legit, then MOST loose the intrest in sc, i cant say why others, but i dont enjoy it anymore after i started HC. And yes i know you duel for pride and fun. but guess what HC duellers do it for, Pride, fun and then thrill. put yourself in the position, you used ALOT of time collecting gear/charms and lvled your lvl 45 dueller.
enter a duel game and duel someone, when you cant be sure of what build it is and what gear the wear,sometimes you can obviosly guess it by, char/lvl/ and look and the char. imagine the thrill and kick you get out of it, off course you might loose your first duel, i lost my first 2 HC duellers with out winning, but that didnt mean i didnt have fun, besides the first one, i got dropped hacked :/.
Again 99.999% of all hc players played sc first and know both sides!
I have no idea how many sc players tried hc and went back to sc for whatever reason they did.

[Mn_Swe2]

Hehe, discussion getting heated, who would have guessed :p

Chill out guys and read here why hunting (semi-duelling) in HC is clearly my favourite :)

http://www.hemsida.net/mnswe/Diablo2/Hunter/hunter_start.htm

/Magnus