Whats decent trapper damage?

[KaUgA]

I was playing the other day with a party when I became totally confused. I was playing with a lvl 85 trapper, having some fun, feeling pretty proud of myself because it seemed as if I helped out a lot. Well, a new trapper comes to the games and starts doing runs with us, I'm like cool a trapper. After a few runs I lvl up and get excited when I see my dmg go up, I say "Nice 1-3456 Lightnign dmg." The next thing I know, this other trapper laughs and tells me his damage is like 14k. Am I missing something here? I have Lightning sentry and Charged Bolt Sentry maxed. I'm a few points away from maxing Shock web. So my question is, did the other trapper just have insanely high damage? Does my assassin just plain $uck? Do I $uck? Should all the bleeding heart liberals die?

US EAST *kauuga

[raphiel20]

it sounds to me like the otehr trapper just had alot more + skills then you and was also counting the extra dmg gained from facets etc. i wouldnt worry about if your killing quick enough for your liking dont worry about soemone elses char :thumbsup:

l8rs :howdy:

raph

[this_barb]

lol... its all good, hes just got some really expensive gear on thats all

[HCTwinJava]

if you could put 140 hard skill pts in all asn traps and their prereq (7 skills in total), and then have +20 to trap skills,

LS would have the highest max dmg per shot = close to 9K pure L dmg (about 4.5K avg).
FB would have the highest avg dmg per blast = about 7K pure F dmg.


Unless you calculate dmg over a period of time or add every dmg bonus from non-trap skills (necro's LR, pally's conviction, etc) and special items (-35% L resist, etc), you can't realistically have 1.4K max/avg dmg per shot/blast.



BTW, CE from DS can't be calculated outside actual game situations, so I only counted the L dmg from DS.

[UndeadBehlial]

yeah in a duel situation 3.4K isnt too bad. My trapper does about 3.8K and gets 2 hit kills against people who dont stack up lite absorb like pansies. I've put a few pts in Dtalon to counter them, so I only have LS maxed and SW is almost maxed. I'm lvl 73 so i'm gunna lvl a bit more and stop putting into Dtalon (i've got 3 kicks with it, good enough) and put into synergies more. But yeah 14K is a lot....he's most likely lying, a good number to aspire to is about 8K, because with 5 traps out thats really all you'll need.

[KaUgA]

Well I don't know for sure what he said about his dmg, the number I gave you was just off the top of my head, it didn't have any real significant value. As far as my dmg, I know I should have more +skill items but I'm getting bored of playing with her. I use dual bartucs so it could be better, dual +3 trap and +3 lightning sentry claws would be choice. But I dunno, I'm getting bored of the trapper.

[DukePukoze]

actualy agree with most, + skills gives huge boost to trap damage. Do everything to get more +trap +*** skills, even equip crappy stats items , but having +skills stuff.

[Hells]

We'll it is possible though, perhaps he meant Charged sentry with it's bolts

[HCTwinJava]

with all related skills max'ed -


lvl 40 LS : 9K max/shot * 10 shots
lvl 40 DS : 3K max/shot * 11 shots
lvl 40 CBS: 1K max/bolt * 11 bolts/shot * 10 shots
lvl 40 SW : 3.6K max/sec * 3.6 sec
lvl 40 FB : 6.7K min / 7.8 max => +7K avg fire dmg per blast


there is no way a trapper can get 14K max dmg per X out of her skills, where X is shot, throw(blast), or second.



Just to throw in an interesting comparison:

In similar situations, what a L-based javazon can do is -

lvl 40 CS : 6K max/bolt * 11 bolts per strike
lvl 40 LS : 5K max/hit * 41 hits per strike
lvl 40 LF : 2.5K max/bolt * 41 bolts per throw (note: LF pierces up to 4 or 5 times, and each pierced LF does the same insane LF dmg)

a fastest javazon can have 3.5 attacks per second.



I am guessing the guy who said 14K L dmg might be a javazon, NOT a trapper! For a high-lvl javazon, lvl 20 CS can already do 2K/bolt * 7 bolts = exactly 14K max.



By the way, trapper does not sux.

[jrichard]

The 14k LS damage is possible. consider these +skills:

12 from two +3 trap, +3 LS claws
3 from a trap helm
3 from a trap ammy
1 from an arachnid mesh
2 from two +1 rings
2 from armor
1 from an anni charm
10 from trap GCs
that's +34 to LS

With Sweb, CBS, and DS maxed for synergies, LS damage would be 8-14022. So, it is possible. However, it is also unlikely to have that gear. Odds are the trapper in question had some very nice gear and was counting the damage from +%lightning damage on gear which is reported on the character screen but not actually done.

jrichard

[KaUgA]

Well I've decided to mule my Assassin, she is just a pain in the arse right now. I love playing with her, but, I can't duel with her (I'm not good at it), and I think my dmg is on the low side. I don't have any intention in trying to increase her dmg, it would be nice to find an ammy better then +1 to traps. I just don't feel any need to increase her lvls anymore. Well, RIP KauTrapper.

US EAST *kauuga

[HCTwinJava]

Level 54 LS... wow!!

to the best of my knowledge, i tried but can't increase the +skills any further. is 14k really the highest possible max dmg from a single shot of a L trap?

[HCTwinJava]

I think my dmg is on the low side.

I seriously doubt it. all trapsins are born equal.


in essence, only 2 things make them different:

1- how she is equipped - you'd have to be very very rich to have an optimized gear with > +20 trap skills on a blizz closed realm.

2- how she is played.

also some good luck, if you duel.

[Elcold]

I think the best trapper claws are +2 asn skills +2 traps and +2 or 3 (I only got 2 not sure if you can get three on it) to LS. If you can get more you would have +7 to LS from each claw, which equals +14 from claws alone. I guess you get +2 from rings, armor, hats. +1 from your belt and +3 from your amulet. Thats +24 from equipment alone and with charms you can get another 11. So you can get +35 to LS so you can have lvl 55 LS. That would deal a lot of damage. I guess you can get a rare circlet with +2 to asn skills and traps, but that would be very rare.

[FrozenSolid]

I think the best trapper claws are +2 asn skills +2 traps and +2 or 3 (I only got 2 not sure if you can get three on it) to LS. If you can get more you would have +7 to LS from each claw, which equals +14 from claws alone. I guess you get +2 from rings, armor, hats. +1 from your belt and +3 from your amulet. Thats +24 from equipment alone and with charms you can get another 11. So you can get +35 to LS so you can have lvl 55 LS. That would deal a lot of damage. I guess you can get a rare circlet with +2 to asn skills and traps, but that would be very rare.

I thought +assa skills and +trap skills couldnt spawn on the same item...

[quik77]

Hmmm another thing to remember is some people count the damge as all five traps put together, its a play style thing, I had a friend who was always boasting about his damge... and that was cause he always clustered his traps so the bolts all hit the same targets. So he'd always state his damage X 5

[AvatarMyth]

facets dont increase lightning damage, jut thought i would put that in.

[HCTwinJava]

Witch-hunter's and Cunning cannot coexist on the same magical katar. So you can't have both +2 to asn skills and +3 to trap on a single magical claw.

But there are items that are not subject to the above rules. Unique bartuc has both +2 to all and +1 to MA.

Rare items might have both +2 to all and +y to trap - any1 actually have one like that?

[FrozenSolid]

Not even rare claws can have +assa skills, +trap skills and +LS...
So i wonder how Elcold could have gotten those :rolleyes:

[piroteuss]

+2assassin +trap +ls on the same claw is impossible. +2 assn and +3 LS is possible though.

[HCTwinJava]

is +3 trap with +3 LS possible? This appears to be okay, but never seen one.

btw, there are editors out there for years. is it possible to edit a claw to make a +2 asn +3 trap +3 LS?

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Remember, the likelihood of this guy being full of horse-droppings is high. You inexplicably announced your damage to the party and he probably just wanted to cut you down a peg.... that's all.

I wouldn't worry about it.

[KaUgA]

Ya thats what I figured. I mean I had no trouble with my sin, she wasn't doing bad at all in my eyes. I did kill her off though, it just seems too impossible to make a trapper awesome without uber gear. I'll play with her again if I manage to find more +skill items, or if I have a sudden urge to join a pk game. She was fun, prob the most fun I have ever had with a char. Some good times, like popping corpses when the necro's were slowing down the game too much, nk'ing the $hit out of this guy who was pk'ed my brother. Those were the times :uhhuh:

Its so cool seeing the trap dmg go up so high so fast. I have a orb//lightning sorc right now and I keep wishing she would increase damage as fast as my trapper. But you know how that goes.

[jrichard]

is +3 trap with +3 LS possible? This appears to be okay, but never seen one.

btw, there are editors out there for years. is it possible to edit a claw to make a +2 asn +3 trap +3 LS?

The answer is yes to both questions.

jrichard

[FrozenSolid]

I asume editting items has something to do with cheats?
And in that case, Elcold is either a stinking liar or a rotten cheater :rolleyes:

[jrichard]

No, i thought Elcold was just stating a theoretical maximum for +skills that can appear on a claw in the game, not stating he had such a claw.

jrichard

[KaUgA]

I just read somewhere that someone was doing 14k dmg, i think it was in one of the sin posts. I find that really hard to believe. Maybe he was talking about total dmg, like adding the dmg of each lightning for the trap. I dunno

[jrichard]

earlier in this thread, i posted how 14k max damage is possible from one LS shot.

jrichard