PvP Elemental zealot(concept)

[liqu1d_g0at]

ok this is an idea me and brian (LovelyGods) had. ok so as you all know the elemental zealot uses zeal like every other zealot and fanatism like every other zealot, only that he has massive elemental damage rather than physical. me and brian decided that instead of fanatism we would make it with a twist, conviction. here is the skill plan and i think it needs no changes, the items though need to be planned out well, here is where i have the doubts

SKILLS:
20 conviction
20 zeal
20 blessed aim
20 holy shield
20 defiance
as you can see the normal zealot but with conviction and blessed aim instead of fanatism and sacrifice, we omitted sacrfice since elemental damage is the concern, not physical damage, so we get blessed aim to make up for the AR loss from no fanatism.

ITEMS:
helm shako ber
belt verdungos
armor enigma
shield HoZ
jewelery ANGELICS? RAVEN FROST AND HIGH LORDS? NOT SURE
weapon azurewrath SHAEL
magnus skin
waterwalks with high life and dex

[Stoutwood]

Definately angelics. DS is worthless with elemental damage.

[Stoutwood]

I don't know how viable this concept would be. Belth posted something once that was a calculation of how much defense Conviction actually takes down in PvP. The result wasn't much. You will be having a lot of trouble hitting stuff.

[TJTG]

IIRC the reason is because Conviction only subtracts as a straight subtraction... it's not actually a percentage.

Eg theoretically, lets say 1000 defence, Conviction = -50% defence

Now, your defence is now 950. NOT 500.

[Gremlins]

I've tried this build on ladder before, and it runs into many problems:

1) Phase blade only option for 4fps zeal, and even then it needs another 72ias
2) % chance to hit, even at best, is comparable to decent zealots due to the conviction problem as mentioned before
3) Damage is horrible, without any boost to elemental damage pally has to rely solely on gear which brings us to
4) VERY expensive build due to the fact that you NEED high dmg elemental charms /w life and/or nice elemental damage jewels

Even with the azure, the damage would not be enough to compare it to decent physical damage zealots. A versatile zealot can also easily stack resist in charms and gear to compensate for conviction. If you want to have a unique build, for all means try it, but I would search for other options.

Gremlins

[Gremlins]

Some of the gear I had collected to be used for zealot:

Azure (elemental dmg jewel w/ 15ias)
Ravens w/ Metalgrid
Upped 200% Tiamets (open socket)
Upped 220% Shaftstop (open socket)
2/xx/15 Coa (elemental dmg jewels w/ 15ias)
Hsaru boots / belt
(Glove slot open)

Same skill placement. Build offers 4fps zeal, cbf, 30%fhr, 45% dr, decent ar bonus, 2 open sockets and glove slot open.

[liqu1d_g0at]

come on dont just shoot down this build, i wanted some construcgtive ideas not some its not going to work or stuff like that ><
hmm maybe youre right, but its time to start thinking of new viable builds, just wanted to see what you guys thought.
oh also i didnt finish the first post guys, here, charms are all elemental of course... youre right AR would bbe low huh.... i cant think right now, maybe soemone who wants to see this build happen wants to help!!!

[Caerbannog]

Conviction does it's tricks from the opponents base defense before any defense boosts he/she might have... I think, wasn't too long ago we tested it and I already forgot :cheesy:
But it still uses a % ... a reduced % for PvP anyways... I think.
Oh, Famine would be nice for a conv pally, too bad I'm a poor bastard :(

[Stormshield]

A while back, HandOfElysium had one of these. I'm not sure if he still uses it or not, though. As best I can recall, it done fairly well in melee dueling.

If you're going to public melee, which is what I tend to do, you'll want to use some of the following:

On Switch: Call To Arms/Lidless (Or Splendor), life saver.
In Stash: Demon Limb - enchant charges. Add a huge bonus to Attack Rating.

Other than that, everything's bang on. Just make sure you've got 4fpa zeal, and you should be able to hang in there. Exile/draculs will be hard on you, but I think a lower resist wand would maybe help to even things out here? Depends on how much damage you can load up.

[ash2ash]

Hey liqu1d_g0at,

I noticed you posted on my pvm elezealot thread about needing a PvP section. If you could provide me with some data with your build, I could try writing a PvP section.

I'll admit that I'm totally unfamiliar with PvP, but if you or LovelyGods could provide something like a strategy section, it would be off to a good start :D

P.S. since I just realized that forum threads are very very versioning-unfriendly, I think my next version is going to be submitted to the strategy compendium.

[liqu1d_g0at]

if you want to join me and lovely working on this project then sure, we could use as many ideas and feedback we can

[LovelyGods]

ok ok, another idea..

Well...

idea 1. HoJ Zealot.

20 Zeal
20 Resits Fire
20 Holyshield
xx Conviciton.
xx Defiance..

The synergy from Resist Fire will help with HOj's Fire damage, Use flaming sc of vita for alot of fire damage and get some flaming sc with attackrating..


idea 2. Doom Zealot.

Same as one but swap weapons so u use a Doom and do Resist Cold.
Hibernal Sc of Vita.

Idea 3. Lightning Zealot.
Same as others but .....you use Cresent Moon to get -35 Lr, mix with conviciton.

get shocking sc of vita. or sometihng, im not sure if light wil work, but hey who knows...

[Soepgroente]

A famine war spike would be a good weapon to start I think. Use conviction over fanaticism. Use raven+raven+cat's eye/highlord, you'll need the IAS (145 - 30 = still 115 to go on eq)

[YeaaaReaper]

LovelyGods what does maxing the Resist Auras do for damage? I knew they increased Vengence damage, but do they effect zeal as well?

[liqu1d_g0at]

but with famine you wont get max FPA unless you use fanatism....... i also thought about those ideas brian, looks like the cold is best but one problem, no max ias....

[prion]

idea 2. Doom Zealot.

Same as one but swap weapons so u use a Doom and do Resist Cold.
Hibernal Sc of Vita.


How about Doom Zealot with fire charms/gear? ppl will expect lightning (FoH)when they see your conviction and expect cold when they see your doom. You'll get higher damage with fire charms. (?) Can they stack up enough resists to overcome Conviction for 2 different elements?

[Stormshield]

The auras from HoJ, and Doom don't really do enough damage. If you're going to use a weapon to stack auras, id suggest doing it through beast, and max holy freeze, or holy shock. Maybe holy fire.

The best idea I've seen thus far is using a phase blade (I used a lightsabre on my elemental zealot in .09, which killed a lot of physical damage zealots in 1-2 hits. Very damaging.) with conviction, and loading up on elemental damage.

If I were going to suggest anything, I'd suggest using a 3x elemental damage/ias jewel / 3x all out elemental damage jewel'ed phase blade, with a pair of 20% ias gloves. This gives you 4fpa zeal.

You'd also have to use Angelics rings + amulet, and probably enchant from demon limb too to even hope to hit most zealots. Beyond that, it's all defense/ar on your gear, and as much elemental damage/ar in your charms as possible. A good amount of damage to aim for would be somewhere around 2500 elemental. It seems kind of low, but when you consider a lot of melee duelers will have -100% resist all after conviction, it's quite a bit more than you'd expect.

Just my 2 cents.

[Caerbannog]

Well now,
If you can afford a Doom...
Don't bother maxing resist cold, the aura won't get that much damage at level... 12? 16? You'll be doing more than enough damage with the physical from doom, with the crushing helping in PvM too. IAS, no problem since anything you encounter is slowed, so you're pretty fast when compared to those sad bastards :)
And even if you happen to die that 44 blizzard you cast will kill the still-a-while-more convicted enemy too :)

[Soepgroente]

but with famine you wont get max FPA unless you use fanatism....... i also thought about those ideas brian, looks like the cold is best but one problem, no max ias....
143% IAS on a -10 weapon. With 30% IAS on the weapon that's doable :)

[jumbo_SHRIMP]

if youre going to do elemental zealot, go all elemental...with crushing blow maybe?

anyway:
azurewrath(ber)
dragonscale(sure it needs higher dex to get to max block...oh wait, you need more dex for decent attack rating? thats right...put a few extra point in dex)<--most damage from shield
hellmouth gauntlets(upgraded if you can handle it) nice high defense, you'll be fire immune by this point(shield helps fire)
crown of ages(2x elemental damage jewels(prolly some kinda facet))<---get any needed ias from this hat
gore rider boots(no elemental damage? good, you need crushing blow and open wounds anyhow)
verdungo's(dr, other urine)
duress runeword as armor(now you have like 50% open wounds, crushing blow...oh yeah it adds the most elemental damage besides some weird self concocted jewel armor, resists)
anni charm
a bunch of lit damage charms(i know the fire ones have a nicer average, but you haven't any lit damage in any of the other gear...they also do have the highest average damage...try to get more ar and life on some of them if you can handle it...

with that gear...you should be swinging....oh i dunno 1.5kish min(might be a stretch) and 5kish max(or more) plus then you can reduce resists from conviction, you'll clear house

phelix

[chinokix06]

so far i think jumbo is one of the best looking builds......

[liqu1d_g0at]

hey i like the idea jumbo but would it have max fpa? thats very important to me, for shield i was thinking alma or hoz though

look at mine though

azurewrath- shael
enigma
HoZ- ber
CoA- elemental/ias jewels
blood fists
hsarus belt and boots
dual perfect raven frosts/highlords wrath
elemental small charms with life (hibernal,shocking,flaming)

that gives us.... 4 fpa zeal, lvl 25 conviction, high elemental damage, 46% DR, i guess ok AR, hopefully conviction takes care of that...

skills
lvl 27 zeal
lvl 25 conviction
lvl 30 holy shield on prebuff
lvl 10 defiance synergy
lvl 20 blessed aim 100% bonus to AR

[Gremlins]

jumbo's can hit 4fps if he sockets jewels with ias in 3 of the open sockets.

This build has potential if you can get the godly charms and jewels needed for it. It'll be very difficult to get this guy set up, but neat to see in action :thumbsup: Anyone think of using Fury phase as an option? Lose 200-500 cold from azure (200-500 magical not affected by convic) but you get close to 100% OW in combination with Duress ...

I'm wondering what defense this type of zealot would get as well (if using duress or enigma). What is the pvp penalty on elemental damage?

Gremlins