Is this Bad mannered?

[NightBlade]

Is using life tap charges from wand when fighting someone who use exile BM? Opinions plz...

[Uhgii]

Technically both would be BM, no?

[xpumafangx]

If you are fighting some one that is bm and you are using a bm tacitc then I do not see a issue. Inless there is gm a way around it.

[Uhgii]

If you are fighting some one that is bm and you are using a bm tacitc then I do not see a issue. Inless there is gm a way around it.

Well BM vs. BM is still BM no matter what way you see it. I suppose it's less wrong since you're both doing it, but it doesn't change the fact that life tap (from chance to cast, charges) is still BM nevertheless.

[xpumafangx]

Yes that is one of the points I was trying to make.


The second one is if there is a way to beat a bm tatic with gm tatic then you should be using that trick instead.

[Jek]

Yes that is one of the points I was trying to make.


The second one is if there is a way to beat a bm tatic with gm tatic then you should be using that trick instead.

Everything is GM against Exile, Enigma (only if they tele) and CTA(non-barb) users IMO. :)

[Tanatus]

The only BM I know is using shift-charge to desync hammers or chasing someone with poor ping with Vigor-Charge

[ThereisnoPeace]

The only BM I know is using shift-charge to desync hammers

well if tele from enigma is bm, and shift-charge is bm, how are us pallies supposed to move fast enough to get in position??

or chasing someone with poor ping with Vigor-Charge

how are we supposed to know they have poor ping? unless every game everyone joins with "Hi, my name is xxxxx, I have 47 ping"

not flaming just wondering.....

[Lyxtwing]

I see this as less BM and more evening the odds. It is like taking gold from someone after they have taken yours, it's stealing but it isn't.

Just my two cents (1.53US)
Lyxtwing

[Uhgii]

I see this as less BM and more evening the odds. It is like taking gold from someone after they have taken yours, it's stealing but it isn't.

Using BM against BM is still BM though... no matter what way you put it. I assume it's reasonable, and completely understandable, but its still, in literal terms, BM.

Just my two cents (1.53US)


:lol: :thumbsup: :lol:

[KruxDeValor]

bm, gm. its all relative. i myself have made the commitment to not use exile for purpose of pride. everytime i beat an exile ebayer or non ebayer its like i made a personal strike against all those who use trendy stuff. conversly i do get defeated alot, now that im NL. point im trying to make is that there is no BM, there is only win or defeat. zeal duels began as a chivilrous upfront style of dueling. little by little it faded away, 1st with cleggers then it was or is 3.20.20 users(90% of us anyways). then it went to the Iths. and now we have degraded/evolved into exile using bo casting players. i am guilty of one these charges which is bo. all in all do what you want, zeal duelz have degraded or evolved(take ur pick), into a non-honorable form of match-ups. some people are Gm enough to take off there exiles and duel with Hoz's or A. Negra.

[Tanatus]

well if tele from enigma is bm, and shift-charge is bm, how are us pallies supposed to move fast enough to get in position??



how are we supposed to know they have poor ping? unless every game everyone joins with "Hi, my name is xxxxx, I have 47 ping"

not flaming just wondering.....
Shift-charge desync game which lead to making hammers invisible which is a exploit. Exploit IS BM. Using Teleport from enigma or using Life Tap from Exile are using items that meant to be used in such manner and as such its cannt be count as a BM because its NOT exploit. Also shift charge prevent droping defence rating for a moving target which is also exploit and as a such its a BM
About ping - like you it or not then you do vigor-charge someone person with faster connection will have upper hand and as such using vigor-charge vs person with slow connection is BM

[ThereisnoPeace]

Shift-charge desync game which lead to making hammers invisible which is a exploit. Exploit IS BM. Using Teleport from enigma or using Life Tap from Exile are using items that meant to be used in such manner and as such its cannt be count as a BM because its NOT exploit. Also shift charge prevent droping defence rating for a moving target which is also exploit and as a such its a BM
About ping - like you it or not then you do vigor-charge someone person with faster connection will have upper hand and as such using vigor-charge vs person with slow connection is BM

i know vigor-charge with connection speed is a big difference, but "how" are we supposed to know they have a worse connection then us, unless we ask every single person we duel?

and as for the charge / enigma, tell ya what lets test something on east if you can...i will use a sorc or trapper or w/e you want. and you use a hammerdin, lets see who wins. I guarantee you, i will beat you everytime if you just walk / run, but...I can also guarantee if you charge or even tele, itll even up the odds and I may lose.

but still to the point, a pally without charge / tele is, well, a pretty much dead pally unless all you do is stand still and get a field of hammers or do the walk 2 steps cast 3 hammers walk 2 steps cast 3 hammers etc. to get a line of swirly hammers, in that case, could be considered cheap like trappers are considered cheap if they put a circle of traps at there feet.

and also another point, if charge is BM does that mean, a V/C is bm?? i mean he uses charge to get to the opponent and hit / setup for smite..so explain this to me...

P.S. Im not calling you wrong...Im not being smart***...I REALLY want to know if maybe theres something I should know...

EDIT: also thinking of something, in 1.09 when charge was the only means of transportation for the pally it wasnt bm, but now theres synergies and tele, hey i have an idea, since theres tele, lets call charge bm since we cant see him attack...hell barbs have been desynching since god knows when and I dont hear ppl crying about it.....but since now theres synergies to make hammers and stuff stronger its all the sudden bm?....no one ever complained about my shift-charge in 1.09 when my hammers only did 2k dmg...

[YomoKimyata]

I think both are BM, but 100% chance to cast life tap (wand) is worse BM than 15% to cast life tap (exile).

[Stoutwood]

If life tap is BM, than a 100% chance is just as bad as a 15% chance. It's like saying killing 5 people is "more wrong" than killing one in a moral debate, when in fact the very act of killing is morally wrong to begin with. Morality is not like mathematics.

[liqu1d_g0at]

i use enchant vs exile, its better than being as n00bl4r and getting an exile, although i dont need enchant because i kill them anyway, surprisingly they have poor AR or just flat out suck, that makes sense since they are using exile eh? anyway the answer to your question is yes but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire and show those newbs how BM should be played ><

[jumbo_SHRIMP]

dont use lifetap when dueling another player...ever...you will teach yourself tactics and gear that will make you win...ability still>gear

phelix

[Weltkriegpally]

dont use lifetap when dueling another player...ever...you will teach yourself tactics and gear that will make you win...ability still>gear

phelix

so if I am a bear shifted necro, I shouldn't use lifetap from my skill? lol. sorry, I just had to ask. I personally have no problem with people using their own skills, but some things are a bit overpowered for dueling (enigma teleport, cta mainly). Stuff like using beast or wolfhowl is fine to me, because you lose a lot of abilities to do it. But using shift charge to move around I don't consider bm. For crying out loud, you are a paladin. You should be able to use your own skills. I just suggest sticking to the private duels if you want set definitions. It helps a lot.

--welt

[Tanatus]

dont use lifetap when dueling another player...ever...you will teach yourself tactics and gear that will make you win...ability still>gear

phelix
Oh really?? so you can go in Charsy bought gear and kick arse someone who use exile ... bravo!!! I am dieing to see that

[ThereisnoPeace]

charsi bought gear? how about when you see ppl dying to naked fb or blizz sorcs?? hell thats no gear much less having some, skill > gear always..of course there are some limitations...but saying a pally cannot use charge as a means of transportation is just...i dunno... like saying a sorc cannot use teleport cuz a barb has to run etc... or saying a zon cannot use guided cuz it follows you...you cannot strip a character of an ability he has had forever...as for an added skill via runeword...then ya some restrictions can be put....but for real dont think of it as an exploit gone bad, think of it as, blizzard made every character have to ability to do something because he cannot do what another can...(ie, asn has bos-df, barb has bo-speed, sorc has es-tele)why is it every character can do whatever they want, but when it comes to the skill of a pally, its bm....

[chinokix06]

because teleport and bo are not pally skills, granted i see no problem with bo or teleport , but when it comes down to it chance to cast in duels is just bm, amp was considered bm in 09 and now that life leech has been nerfed in duels tap is just right up there with amp.

[ThereisnoPeace]

tele and bo are not pally skills, and should not be used. that i agree with. to an extent.

but cutting out charge itself, which IS the pally's skills, should not even be argued with on whether or not its bm...you just can not cut a skill that the character was "compiled" with...

but yes I believe in true gm duels only skills of the character being played should be allowed, except of course necros, no curses, unless its Lower Res in conjunction with a psn nec.

now I know going against a pally with my sorc and all that, sure im like "damn desynch, i didnt see ya" then i proceed to say "gd" so yes ive fallen victim to the desynch of the pally but I dont get mad because, well 2 things.

1.)i know its a way of transportation, just like my tele cuz im a sorc

2.)they're taking a chance at using it right now with the charge bugs goin on.
(ie, if they die while charging with hs casted, they have to completely rejoin the game to be able to charge again, etc.)

so yes it in some duels is a little unfair but I look at the rest of the characters abilities before complaining about "transportation", fb and blizz can kill most in 1 to 2 hits, guided follows, trappers can stun real well, etc.

[Stormshield]

Personally, the only things I consider BM in dueling are NKing, Jumping, and stacking absorb. Other than that, it's all fair game, unless the person I'm dueling says otherwise before we duel.

I've got to agree with Thereisnopeace. Saying a hammerdin can't teleport, OR charge cripples him. He just stands there and casts hammers like a putz. That pretty much makes you easy pickings for... well... anything with a ranged attack.

[NightBlade]

Personally, the only things I consider BM in dueling are NKing, Jumping, and stacking absorb. Other than that, it's all fair game, unless the person I'm dueling says otherwise before we duel.

I've got to agree with Thereisnopeace. Saying a hammerdin can't teleport, OR charge cripples him. He just stands there and casts hammers like a putz. That pretty much makes you easy pickings for... well... anything with a ranged attack.


haha, this is very true. I killed a hammerdin with my zealot on switch with a ballista (dealing 3.7k damage) :yep:

[Stormshield]

haha, this is very true. I killed a hammerdin with my zealot on switch with a ballista (dealing 3.7k damage) :yep:

As far as your original question goes, a lifetap wand isn't quite on par with an exile. I don't see why they'd contest to using it, though.

If it were me, and they complained about a lifetap wand after using exile, I'd just get a lacerator, and smite them to death.

[Stoutwood]

If it were me, and they complained about a lifetap wand after using exile, I'd just get a lacerator, and smite them to death.

Amen to that.

[Tanatus]

Somehow everyone fogot 1 more thing that using 2 angelic rings IS exploit and as such it is a BM ....

[jumbo_SHRIMP]

Somehow everyone fogot 1 more thing that using 2 angelic rings IS exploit and as such it is a BM ....
you, my friend, need to stop saying this ****. this is a ridiculous accusation and you need to stop sowing these crap seeds

thanks
phelix

[liqu1d_g0at]

what an idiot how can you say angelics is bm, it had to be something comin from some newb exile user that doesnt know what bm or gm is. what are you going to say next, that desynch is bm like that newb said? if you are on west i probably ran into your *** once, some idiot told me in bm because i use angelics. please shove exile up your *** and stop tellin us what bm is and what bm isnt.

[Tanatus]

what an idiot how can you say angelics is bm, it had to be something comin from some newb exile user that doesnt know what bm or gm is. what are you going to say next, that desynch is bm like that newb said? if you are on west i probably ran into your *** once, some idiot told me in bm because i use angelics. please shove exile up your *** and stop tellin us what bm is and what bm isnt.
Say what d00d? U r moron (I presume this lingo more familiar to you and more easy to undestand) ne1 know that BM is things that comes trough exploit of game option that was not intendent by Blizzard and as such 2 angelic rings in same time while set itself cosist only from 1 ring IS exploit no matter how you call it. 2 Angelic rings never meant to use at same time ... yet most ppl use which not make it GM. Exile is rune word that introduced in game by Blizzard which is totaly legal and as such is GM
Oh by the way term "us" usually reserved for royal family so then ever you type "us" I highly recomend to change on "me" otherwise you looks really St3wpID d00d

[liqu1d_g0at]

yea thats great buddy, i guess only newbs like you have to support exile so strongly, slap on a SS youre nothing.

[Tanatus]

yea thats great buddy, i guess only newbs like you have to support exile so strongly, slap on a SS youre nothing.
FYI bud my PvP buits arent include zealots ...
a) telehammerdin
b) pure templar
in both case I have zero problem with ppl with exile shield or/and angelic exploit. Heck I dont even have problem then ppl stack against my templar 2 wisps + t-gods.
btw learn first how beat ppl with exile who duel in private games then bark about your skills braging that you won some pubby fight against some person who did nothing but gathering wealth to finally built Exile arent add anything to your skills or reputation

[Stormshield]

eh, let him cry about angelics rings/ammy. Just shows how n00bish he is.

[Stoutwood]

Yes, I'm sure Blizzard never intended that someone would notice that *gasp* they could put on two rings instead of the one necessary for the angelic set. In fact Blizzard was so oblivious to this fact that they have kept this so-called exploit in every single version of LoD since at least (this is as far back as my experience goes) v1.08.

[liqu1d_g0at]

he talks as if exile was a bug, yes it was put there by blizzard and yes its a legit item, that doesnt mean it isnt bm, when you go vs exile you are at a disadvantage vs someone with 2 auras, high high defense and life leech. so in other words it IS bm, its giving an unfair advantage to the user