Natalya's armor

[Kumaiti]

I got a natalya's armor and I wonder what should I put in the sockets ? Topazes ??
I was considering a jewel of easy, or else I will have to wait until lv73 to use it, and by that time I will probably need a better armor.

Any suggestions ?

[LLD-Vampire]

I got a natalya's armor and I wonder what should I put in the sockets ? Topazes ??
I was considering a jewel of easy, or else I will have to wait until lv73 to use it, and by that time I will probably need a better armor.

Any suggestions ?

First off jewel of ease lowers str and dex reqs not lvl reqs, 2nd nats armor just sucks in general get soemthing else, 3rd since you didn't know these I am under the impression that you got the game recently. Make a blizz sorc and kill hell meph a lot to get good items.

[Kumaiti]

It is good to know that about jewel of easy. I thought it would lower lv requirements also.
Second, I am NOT new to the game, I know that Nat's armor is not the best possible choice but I like the set (it is cool). I was just asking because some people might have a good idea of what to put on those sockets.

[Duncan Idaho]

If you might reach 149 str (IIRC) don't waste jwls of ease.
In my Nat Armor i've put a Cham rune (ok it's not cheap, but it was the only one i've ever found !), and 2 max/ed jwls.

[sr126]

It is good to know that about jewel of easy. I thought it would lower lv requirements also.
Second, I am NOT new to the game, I know that Nat's armor is not the best possible choice but I like the set (it is cool). I was just asking because some people might have a good idea of what to put on those sockets.

i put ed jewels in mine, and i'm not to happy w/it, base damage from claws are way too crappy. i would say socket them to take care of resistance problems, to free up other gear. or socket w/runes that will increase the max to a particular resist, especially if you're a fade user. i wouldn't suggest using a jewel of ease in a nat's armor. it's for a melee sin, you should have the str and dex to use it to begin with.

[Kumaiti]

As I said before, the jewel of easy was to offset the lvl requirements. I didn't know that jewels of easy didn't affect lvl requirements.

Maybe jewels of IAS and resist runes would be better, no ?

[Duncan Idaho]

IAS jwls are not a good option, since you don't need them to reach max speed with BoS.
With a good equipement (charms), base dmg are not crapy ... for ex my Bartuc has a base max dmg of 287.

Of course if you lack resistances, it can be a good option ... but IMO ED/Max are always the best choice

[lextalionis]

Are you using the whole set or just the armor? If you use the whole set then you'll have decent damage reduction, just add a %DR belt like STring or Verdungo. Then you can always use BoS. But some people will socket their Nat's with IAS jewels, if they aren't using the whole set so they can hit the breakpoints for their kicks/melee and still use FADE.

Also what build are you playing, I presume Melee, but what melee? PS? DTail? DTalon?

[Duncan Idaho]

Are you using the whole set or just the armor? If you use the whole set then you'll have decent damage reduction, just add a %DR belt like STring or Verdungo. Then you can always use BoS. But some people will socket their Nat's with IAS jewels, if they aren't using the whole set so they can hit the breakpoints for their kicks/melee and still use FADE.

Also what build are you playing, I presume Melee, but what melee? PS? DTail? DTalon?
DC ? :p ...

[Kumaiti]

I am planning to use the whole set (if I can get natalya`s mark... :-( )
And my build is Dragon Tail/Tiger strike as main attack and Death sentry against fire immunes and crowds. And I use BoS all the time, since I Have pretty good resistances for now (nightmare).

[HipHop Automust]

287 base damage on Barts? That's pretty impressive... or do you mean your displayed damage? When I hear base damage I think of the damage of a Greater Talon or Runic Talon (if up'd) that Barts are derived from - and I highly doubt that is your BASE damage unless you have all Vermillion Jewels of Wrath (30max) socketed in all your equipment.

Then again if you were so lucky to find those, then I suppose getting a base of 287 is likely. In any case, if you were to socket equipment (3sock helm, 4sock armor and shield) you would get an increase of 330max dmg... which would be insane, but I don't think I would sacrifice stats for pure MAX dmg.

[Duncan Idaho]

UPgraded perfect bartucs, with +3x% ED / +1x max dmg, along with +83 max dmg on charms, that makes 287 base max dmg. (min dmg 10x i can't remember precisely the 'x' ;) )

[Dogbert]

My Natalya armour is socketed with 3x poison facets.
Good to increase poison damage with Venom.

And its Jewel of ease not easy.
I wouldn't waste a cham rune in Natalya armour it's useless when you can just wear a Ravenfrost.
Make a Doom runeword instead and you have a solid mercenary weapon.

[lextalionis]

My Natalya armour is socketed with 3x poison facets.
Good to increase poison damage with Venom.

And its Jewel of ease not easy.
I wouldn't waste a cham rune in Natalya armour it's useless when you can just wear a Ravenfrost.
Make a Doom runeword instead and you have a solid mercenary weapon.

Dogbert got it. That is probably the best idea for a Natalya Armor. 3 Poison Facets or 2 Poison Facets and one Jewel of ease or Hel rune, to reduce requirements, but that's only if youre having trouble getting into the armor with your build. Most builds will have enough strenght for this. So I'd say pretty much go for the glorified BRAMBLE armor.

[Duncan Idaho]

2 poison facet make -10% res / +10% dmg. Let's say you have a lvl 29 Venom, and a monster with no Psn resist. That makes 700 avg dmg, no resist so always 700 dmg, and +10% dmg that makes 770 avg dmg, so a bonus of 70 psn dmg. If you have a lvl 40 Venom, you reach a little bit less than 1100 avg dmg, so it makes a 110 avg psn bonus dmg - I don't event speak of the psn bonus on the jwl itself since it is neglectible quantity-

With 2 35%ED/13 max (I don't take perfect ED/Max since they are so rare :) ), let's say you have 160 str and dext (+120% ED each), lvl 29 CM (+147% ED), and I don't even speak of DC, and a claw with let's say 150 avg base dmg (very easy to have, upgd perfect Bartuc without jwl in it have mor than 150 avg base dmg).

So, with one 35% ED / +15 max, you have a bonus of 150 * 0.35 = 52.5 on avg dmg, added to the 15 * (1.2+1.2+1.47) = 58 bonus to max dmg, which is equivalent to a 29 bonus to avg dmg. That means a total of 81 bonus to avg dmg for only 1 jwl so a bonus of 160 avg dmg

So ... make your choice :)

Cham is IMO quite useful if you have a good crafted/rare ring with strength, max dmg, eventually ll and resistances, etc ... (having str prevents from having to socket the armor with a Hel rune)

[Dogbert]

2 poison facet make -10% res / +10% dmg. Let's say you have a lvl 29 Venom, and a monster with no Psn resist. That makes 700 avg dmg, no resist so always 700 dmg, and +10% dmg that makes 770 avg dmg, so a bonus of 70 psn dmg. If you have a lvl 40 Venom, you reach a little bit less than 1100 avg dmg, so it makes a 110 avg psn bonus dmg - I don't event speak of the psn bonus on the jwl itself since it is neglectible quantity-

With 2 35%ED/13 max (I don't take perfect ED/Max since they are so rare :) ), let's say you have 160 str and dext (+120% ED each), lvl 29 CM (+147% ED), and I don't even speak of DC, and a claw with let's say 150 avg base dmg (very easy to have, upgd perfect Bartuc without jwl in it have mor than 150 avg base dmg).

So, with one 35% ED / +15 max, you have a bonus of 150 * 0.35 = 52.5 on avg dmg, added to the 15 * (1.2+1.2+1.47) = 58 bonus to max dmg, which is equivalent to a 29 bonus to avg dmg. That means a total of 81 bonus to avg dmg for only 1 jwl so a bonus of 160 avg dmg

So ... make your choice :)

Cham is IMO quite useful if you have a good crafted/rare ring with strength, max dmg, eventually ll and resistances, etc ... (having str prevents from having to socket the armor with a Hel rune)


Yes enhanced damage jewels are good choices too.
Just a minor correction: +10% damage is indeed 770 with level 29 Venom but -10% resistances should take a monster with zero resistance to -10 if i'm not wrong. A little extra damage there too.

[Duncan Idaho]

True I had totally forgotten that part !!! And that makes quite a difference since against a monster who has 0 Psn resistance, it doubles the Psn bonus dmg, so that ED/max jwls and Psn facet are almost equivalents !!!

Against Psn resistant monsters the effect is greatly reduced of course.

[Dogbert]

On a sidenote, the jewel with -15% requirements is called Jewel of freedom.
I'm not sure where i got this Jewel of ease from but there seems to be no item with that name.

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/magic/jewels.shtml

[MagicMastered]

Its a SUFFIX, not a PREFIX :)

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/magic/suf.shtml

[miyulight]

for pvp venom users;
i stuck psn facets in mine to help venom on my kicking sins and my ww sins. but occasionally, ill use enigma against foes that deem neccessary

[Chinesef00d]

pop some perfect rubies in there for those jewels that all girls need!