View Full Version : Remember when hc didn't suck?
Baltozer
14-07-2004, 05:34
it was right back around when d2 was a game. Competitive ladder, fun balanced dueling, balanced pvm. Then blizzard decided to add fun stuff like the party experience bonus and reduce pvp down to 1/904050 or whatever it is now. Remember hell pking? Hard earned exp solo on the river? The notoriety of getting to a decent level, pking a big name, or winning a solid duel? Not being able to be rushed and baal'd to 90 in a few hours? No maphacks, chicken hacks, loaders, blah blah this, blah blah that. Man good stuff huh. noone cares about stuff like that anymore. it's just pbot gear, do runs till your blue in the face, then say stuff like "LOLZ!! SOFTCORE SUX U NEWBZ CANT PLAY OTHERWISE YOU'D SPEND YOUR TIME LEECHING WITH A RED LETTERED NAME AND NOT A WHITE ONE LOLZZ CAUSE THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE NOWADAYZ LOLZZ!!!!"
Don't get me wrong I take every advantage nowadays available but d2 today isn't 1/10 what it was naww meaaan word up to yo mothaz
tomatoman
14-07-2004, 05:41
yup. thats why i want a private realm on tcp/ip or open for duels and stuff.
Remember the english vs korean war? and we all dropped them thanks to this
..................... and then blizzard prevented us from making alot of ....... in a row so we did this ......... .......... ........ and it still worked... hah :thumbsup: good days...
Remember when Sword and Shield barb where the most badass characters on the realms?
Remember when one day, without a patch, lances started to appear on the realm...
Remember when spells didn't have a timer and Orb sorcs where the ultimate duellers because they where loaded with fast cast...
remember when people did hell izual runs (solo) for the great exp?
Remeber when people where impressed at your level 70+
Remember blizzard announced the stress test and almost everyone all over the world could play it but we only had access to level 1 skills and could only do quests up to blood raven... I also remember that some people managed to hit over lvl 20 by just running blood raven...
yeah... i remember when D2 didn't suck :drink:
leihotikan
14-07-2004, 07:11
Yeah, i DO remember but I really dont care. And I dont like all patronizing guys like you out there. You learned one day, you were noob too... What makes ppl so damn proud that they play 3-4 years? I started with Diablo 1 (sometimes still playing sp for fun...) then d2c then d2xpac and so what?? Nothing... I play HC, I played sc, I dont care about how great and sooo cool Dii was before, not a shi_te at all! I dont care if there is lowered pvp penalty, for me it shoud be 1/30 or less. I dont care how tough job you want to have exping... Go play classic with me untwinked and you will see how easy lvl 90 there is. Damn it, all are so righteous, jesus, whats wrong with you? I am fed up with those all threads about "How lame maphack is", " I am bored with so much dying at lvl 20" "My sheep is ugly and doesnt love meh"
STOP COMPLAINING! Go kill someone, kill Meph, lvl a bit - do something but dont compain about this game, plz... If its so bad, why do you play at all?
Go, now.
_OrpheusPrime_
14-07-2004, 09:16
If its so bad, why do you play at all?
Go, now.
Well said. :thumbsup:
Yeah, i DO remember but I really dont care. And I dont like all patronizing guys like you out there. You learned one day, you were noob too... What makes ppl so damn proud that they play 3-4 years? I started with Diablo 1 (sometimes still playing sp for fun...) then d2c then d2xpac and so what?? Nothing... I play HC, I played sc, I dont care about how great and sooo cool Dii was before, not a shi_te at all! I dont care if there is lowered pvp penalty, for me it shoud be 1/30 or less. I dont care how tough job you want to have exping... Go play classic with me untwinked and you will see how easy lvl 90 there is. Damn it, all are so righteous, jesus, whats wrong with you? I am fed up with those all threads about "How lame maphack is", " I am bored with so much dying at lvl 20" "My sheep is ugly and doesnt love meh"
STOP COMPLAINING! Go kill someone, kill Meph, lvl a bit - do something but dont compain about this game, plz... If its so bad, why do you play at all?
Go, now.
Boy someones a grumpy person.
As I said before dont read the thread if you dont want to hear it ??
And Im sure Ill get flamed for saying that.............
Ahh well - whatever ..........
Kev
CreLuSioN
14-07-2004, 09:41
and reduce pvp down to 1/904050 or whatever it is now.
whats wrong with that? u can still 1 hit kill people so i think its k
xxsteelxx
14-07-2004, 11:14
Yeah, i DO remember but I really dont care. And I dont like all patronizing guys like you out there. You learned one day, you were noob too... What makes ppl so damn proud that they play 3-4 years? I started with Diablo 1 (sometimes still playing sp for fun...) then d2c then d2xpac and so what?? Nothing... I play HC, I played sc, I dont care about how great and sooo cool Dii was before, not a shi_te at all! I dont care if there is lowered pvp penalty, for me it shoud be 1/30 or less. I dont care how tough job you want to have exping... Go play classic with me untwinked and you will see how easy lvl 90 there is. Damn it, all are so righteous, jesus, whats wrong with you? I am fed up with those all threads about "How lame maphack is", " I am bored with so much dying at lvl 20" "My sheep is ugly and doesnt love meh"
STOP COMPLAINING! Go kill someone, kill Meph, lvl a bit - do something but dont compain about this game, plz... If its so bad, why do you play at all?
Go, now.
You know what im sick of? Classic players sayin its so damn hard lol. Im sorry but i just tried classic last month and solod hell with a lvl 65 necro and could run around and kill in A1 hell with a 51 barb without ever takin a good hard hit. And neither of those chars had good gear lol. U try runnin around in a1 hell xpac with some crappy rares and sigon gloves lol. And maybe its not that exp is so much harder to get..maybe its just most classic players kinda suck? Just look at the top hc classic ladder...those guys are only 4-5 lvls behind the xpac ladder...they dont seem to have a prob with exp
I play both, both games are tuff in thier own way and simple in thier own way. Classic is pretty damn tuff to get reasonable gear and plase dont use a Skellymancer and a Barb in Act 1 as a freaking example of how easy Classic is.
In Xpac you can hit 80+ and never leave NM and no it doesnt take very long to do that either, if you are still in NM at 63+ in Classic you are lvlin damn slow.
Those lvl 90's on top of Classic East have been playing nonstop since the day of the patch. They are doing 200+ runs a day in CS and they are not the freaking stand still and bombard the same spawn spot and leech. I have a friend who made a BO Barb and hit 94 last season bt simply BOing everyone, entering TP, parking his barb in the corner and then going AFK for a few mins and doing Homework, cleaning his room, doing laundry...etc. You cant and wont get away with that crap in Classic.
Now when you go to Classic and actually play the game not get you *** rushed and beg for items and of leech your way to 91-93 then come back here and tell me Classic is easy. You hit 92+ in Classic you will laugh at people that complain exp is slow at 96+ in Xpac as it is 4-6 times more!!!
BTW.......solo Hell is only severe when your build runs into things it isnt prepared to kill.......and there isnt a Merc there to make up for immunities. how did your Classic Barb do with the PI MBs in Act 2? Oh didnt go that far?
Skellys are pretty powerfull and anyone that can play the build half *** can solo either Xpac or Classic.
You know what im sick of? Classic players sayin its so damn hard lol. Im sorry but i just tried classic last month and solod hell with a lvl 65 necro and could run around and kill in A1 hell with a 51 barb without ever takin a good hard hit. And neither of those chars had good gear lol. U try runnin around in a1 hell xpac with some crappy rares and sigon gloves lol. And maybe its not that exp is so much harder to get..maybe its just most classic players kinda suck? Just look at the top hc classic ladder...those guys are only 4-5 lvls behind the xpac ladder...they dont seem to have a prob with exp
leihotikan
14-07-2004, 18:25
You know what im sick of? Classic players sayin its so damn hard lol. Im sorry but i just tried classic last month and solod hell with a lvl 65 necro and could run around and kill in A1 hell with a 51 barb without ever takin a good hard hit. And neither of those chars had good gear lol. U try runnin around in a1 hell xpac with some crappy rares and sigon gloves lol. And maybe its not that exp is so much harder to get..maybe its just most classic players kinda suck? Just look at the top hc classic ladder...those guys are only 4-5 lvls behind the xpac ladder...they dont seem to have a prob with exp
Well, plz make one not cheesy character above lvl 88-90 + and you will see how easy classic is. Play there for 1 year without runes, charms, uber gear etc. Play it and see the difference in making lvl 95 xpac char and 90+ lvl in d2C. (or even 80+)
Yes, monsters have less hp, yet if you compare stupid "+to mana" items you will be shocked. Sorc in xpac goes with 800-1000 mana just from items - try it in classic hehe. Dmg reduction? Hmm.. Jewels? No way. Act 5 to exp like crazy? Doesnt exist. Etc etc... Plz play classic for some time and then make opinions.
btw, I didnt make not even one very high character in classic except one 87 lvl cow-necro:) since the beginning of 1.09. Maybe now hell is easier but I really doubt it...
edit: Totally agree with STINGER, yeah...
Xpac provides many ways to get all the necessities to beat the game.
Runes for Runewords, or even the simply -34 socket armor wiht runes in it for resists, or a 3 sock helm and then the 3 sock 3 diamond shiled and your resisits are covered pretty quickly. Lets not forget the Pally shields that drop wiht 4 sockets and up to 45 Priz on them. i have an Avenger that beat Hell in Xpac wearing one of these, 3 pcs of Sigs, Shaft (didnt need rez), and Tals Helm with Nords Tenderizer and he could kill very well everywhere. Then if you cant cover resisits with thos things there are charms.
Then an Exec is what 170/110 where a CCB is like 189/110??? Classic SnS has maybe 2600 life while the xpac Barb can get closer to 4500 with +6 Crys on switch. with 1 point invested in Zerk wiht all the +skills possible on could get lvl 10 or better Zerk and 1-3 hit kill normal PIs.
Now you look at a sorc.......hell it is damn simple with charms to go base energy, with a merc 100% of the time single tree is all you need and even if your merc sucks with all the +skills that 1 point invested in lightning can help your merc kill. 1200/1100 Life/Mana isnt hard to acheive even having 135 str and 210 Dex for wearing that SS and having Max Block. 900/700 is pretty average for even the not so well off sorcs. 63 FCR can be had items and one of them comes with a ton of resisits and isnt that hard to find either.
In Classic you deal with Rares, a few sets that arent bad, and a few Uniques that are Hell viable but the gest of most every build comes from rares with no set mods, takes hours of gambling and mfing and about 99% of it is junk. 3 Imbues most of the time will give you 3 chances to sell weapons to charsi so you can gamble. You cannot gamble anything but Normal lvl items. There are no sockets in Armors.
Block in CLassic is what the shield lists but the best you can get i beleive is +2 Pally 30/20 with I beleive 40 Priz if even that is possible, and i have never seen one in 3 years. Best i ever saw was a +2 30/20 with 19all and 3x FR which the guy used a dumped SOJ to socket it wiht a Diamond to get it better.
i challenge you to really play Classic......
HCTwinJava
14-07-2004, 19:07
if this game really sux now, why still playing it?
here is the way how ppl treat a game that sux:
this game is aging. a friend of mine was used to playing sc, but he solo'ed his first 2 hc chars on East HCL to guardianship: one is sorc, the other is barb. Seeing the game is meaningless to continue playing, he removed the game from his PC. Full tal's, full IK's, gF, SS, runes, etc., that he found in countless lvling/MF solo games with his hc sorc, are all abondoned, after he asked me if I wanted them.
IMO, that's the only right way.
_OrpheusPrime_
14-07-2004, 20:05
if this game really sux now, why still playing it?
here is the way how ppl treat a game that sux:
this game is aging. a friend of mine was used to playing sc, but he solo'ed his first 2 hc chars on East HCL to guardianship: one is sorc, the other is barb. Seeing the game is meaningless to continue playing, he removed the game from his PC. Full tal's, full IK's, gF, SS, runes, etc., that he found in countless lvling/MF solo games with his hc sorc, are all abondoned, after he asked me if I wanted them.
IMO, that's the only right way.
I did that exact thing, a while after 1.09 when i was truly sick of diablo ii. Uninstalled, sold an account, gave the rest to friends and took a looong vacation from the game. However, im back now because simply, there is no better rpg out there and I just don't see one coming either.. that you don't have to pay per month for, wich I do not plan on doing.
leihotikan
14-07-2004, 21:51
However, im back now because simply, there is no better rpg out there and I just don't see one coming either..
Except one little fact - Diablo is not rpg :) Its hack'n'slash with some tiny elements of rpg. Try Fallout 1 and 2 to feel RPG written by big R! Single player only, but I simply love that game....
If its so bad, why do you play at all?
Go, now.
Please, where did i say it was so bad? D2 is still a great game... it was just better befor.
remember HC forum when there were no "remember when..." posts, just endless debates over the morality of PKing? Ahhh, those were the days...
Baltozer
15-07-2004, 03:37
I'll still play because I enjoy dueling, and let's face it, with all the "tools" available now I don't have to bother with things like leveling or mfing. I'm just saying, blizzard dropped the ball, again, and again, and again. And to the classic discussion that sprung up, classic now isn't classic liek it was, classic now is just xpac except instead of botd it's a rare exe. there's no big difference in the mechanics of the gameplay. It's still get rushed, leech, do meph runs, circle jerk to how awsome your awsomely skilled hc character is, then go to bed
It's still get rushed, leech, do meph runs, circle jerk to how awsome your awsomely skilled hc character is, then go to bed
Damn. Never get invited to any of these circle jerks. Probably because my best characters die, like they're supposed to.
_OrpheusPrime_
15-07-2004, 04:32
Except one little fact - Diablo is not rpg :) Its hack'n'slash with some tiny elements of rpg. Try Fallout 1 and 2 to feel RPG written by big R! Single player only, but I simply love that game....
If D2 isnt an RPG then it is somthing superior to that. I have played Fallout as well as many other rpg style games, Neverwinter Nights, baldeur's gate, ect ect.. none have come anything close to the replay value of diablo ii.
And to the classic discussion that sprung up, classic now isn't classic liek it was, classic now is just xpac except instead of botd it's a rare exe. there's no big difference in the mechanics of the gameplay.
Not sure WTF you are saying here but there is a hell of a big difference between xpac and Classic and you cant hardly equate BoTD to a max possible 200 ED Rare weapon in classic of which is damn near impossible to get. Rares still spawn the same as they did before LoD only thing that really changed with the patch is that all the monsters now have twice the life, more immunities and much more aggressive while the only real improvements in weapons was that dual leech became more common and dual leech rings are back as well as armors tend to spawn with resisits more often now.
Classic certainly adds some limitations in addition to those mentioned, like no weapon switch, no rare or unique throwing weapons etc. It is harder to level and you can never reach the same levels as XPAC. I think it is a better balanced game overall. In XPAC it is more about having the best gear, runes and charms. In classic the players are better balanced as the gear and weapons are more basic.
There is also the issue of the itty bitty chest.....
Lostprophet
15-07-2004, 16:50
Actually, no.
Guess I didn't get in early enough :hanky:.
tomatoman
15-07-2004, 17:54
remember HC forum when there were no "remember when..." posts, just endless debates over the morality of PKing? Ahhh, those were the days...
you mean like, 2 days before 1.1 was released? :wave:
braveicus
15-07-2004, 23:07
I'm pretty sure HC D2 stopped being fun for everyone right about the time I stopped playing it. :thumbsup:
Oh, and Boo! from beyond the grave to the HC forum :howdy: Only a few names I recognize still. Nightshade, STINGER (who seems as excitable as ever if this thread is any indication :lol: ) Irish2 and of course Zappafan.
regards
ah crap. how could I forget the forum polar bear!?
Phantom_Man
15-07-2004, 23:34
I played classic for a while(and by that I mean like 2 weeks.) I didn't get too much into it, so I can't totally judge, but it became really boring for me. Not so much the gameplay or anything like that, but there were never any games to play in. I know I could've gone priv or whatever, but that was even more boring.
Phantom- :drink:
GrnEggsNHam
16-07-2004, 02:53
Most definately I had the best times playing D2 during classic, the gameplay on B.net has since then evolved into something freakish and I can't even stand to chat on B.net anymore :(.
this game is aging. a friend of mine was used to playing sc, but he solo'ed his first 2 hc chars on East HCL to guardianship: one is sorc, the other is barb. Seeing the game is meaningless to continue playing, he removed the game from his PC. Full tal's, full IK's, gF, SS, runes, etc., that he found in countless lvling/MF solo games with his hc sorc...
People spoil them game for themselves. If you want a challenge, don't do countless MF runs, or do limit yourself to rares. It's too easy? Don't play easy builds or classes. Want even more challenge? Only play in public games and don't use cheats to pick up stuff (result: you will only get what nobody else wants or what you've gambled). Not hard enough? Don't do xp runs, just play every and each area once. Still feeling unchallenged? Play ironman style, and go without a merc. There are plenty of ways to make the game more challenging, if that's what's truly wanted. (I don't think that's the problem, it looks more like a burnout syndrome.)
As for the glorified days of classics: Those were the days of lancers and tweakers, and in the months before LoD came out one of the biggest challenges was to find a game where the RoF had not already been cleared, meaning a game that was younger than five minutes. Games usually lasted less than ten minutes. Then in 1.08/09 we saw the same with cows, and now we have Baal runs. Sure, seeing level 85s in classic was rare, because people got bored before, but what's "better" about that? Just replace 85 with 95 and it's the same now. There were also cheats and exploits, and since there weren't immunities, the end game wasn't exactly difficult. (I liked my FO tweaker, though. :)).
Anyway, I take a few weeks off every few months, play variants and try out new things. That keeps the game fresh for me.
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