Dueler

[Tron_40]

I am looking to make a low lvl untwinked dueler.......

what a good build to go for?

[NightShade]

Standard charger.

Doesn't matter. Everyone has the same gear, it's a matter of luck.

[Dirty Don]

Chargers are uber easy to build. Get a 100 dmg pike (buy, find, what ever). And put one in charge, rest in might. Then duel till you die.

Make sure you keep mana pots on you, you'll run out of mana in a snap.

[_OrpheusPrime_]

I'v got an eth Tanner Gore Rod (Unique Pike).. req lvl 27. On east, *OrpheusPrime if you're intrested in it.

[STINGER]

I'v got an eth Tanner Gore Rod (Unique Pike).. req lvl 27. On east, *OrpheusPrime if you're intrested in it.


Sorry, but Tanners isnt a good dueling weapon even ETH as its damage is pretty poor for that lvl. the Pikes that he is refering to would be in the 100+ range and more like lvl 10-16 and i think ETh may hit in the 150 range just at a guess.

At lvl 27 most chargers are using Snaps ETh and like 220-230 ish damage wiht the handy 40% Crushing Blow so a Tanner Sharger would be very outmatched in damage.

My numbers may be off a bit but it is an accurate comparison.

[WingBlade]

I'v got an eth Tanner Gore Rod (Unique Pike).. req lvl 27. On east, *OrpheusPrime if you're intrested in it.
This would be considered "twinking" :P since he didn't find or purchase the gear in game...

[rachil0]

You might also want to consider a kickersin. You'll need a strength blade talon (so an amn rune) and some socketed gear to stash rubies in. I think a lot of folks use sigons shield to hit an additional kick per cycle (or something) but I am not too sure on the specifics.

So basically, if you can run norm cows you can throw a competent one together in an evening or two. I dunno if you wanna bump up to that high of level though (they are 25 for the blade talon, iirc).

This reminds me of an idea. Since everyone considers kickers to be the top-anti snapper build, how about the anti-kicker snapper? Was thinking along the lines of a 27 charger that shoved sol runes into every hole you could find for the 7 damage reduced.

I wasn't sure about the damage resolution order, as in does this give you

1. (pvm/6)-7,
or
2. (pvm-7)/6

Prolly makes or breaks the idea. Even if it's the first one (which is definitely more better) the crushing on the claw will punch through the -dmg mod pretty effectively.

[Omikron8]

I believe the sol runes work the same as bone armor, ie. they are included AFTER the pvp penalty. This makes them much more effective as they reduce an already small amount of damage.

[Mert1]

27 honor chrger owns kickers so easy

[ZounceHC]

While making an untwinked dueler sounds fun, your dueling career will be very short lived imo. The chances of you fighting another untwinked dueler are very low. Even a mildly twinked charger will kill you 1-2 hits and the chance of you killing him are close to zero.

[NightShade]

Anti-kicker set up :

Telenecro

Gravespine
Whistans
4 sol armour
3 sol helm
string
Tele staff
angelics

Maxed out bone armour + the sols and what not will neutralize their damage almost entirely

[kardinaal]

Maxed out bone armour + the sols and what not will neutralize their damage almost entirely

Will that cancel out open wounds and/or crushing blow?

And by the way, isn't the telenecro a good build versus all? I never defeated one, but I'm on a moderately lagging line as it is...

[CreLuSioN]

lol etheral honor lance with max gear will do vs a kicker but gl finding a 5 socketed etheral lance :lol:

[CreLuSioN]

Anti-kicker set up :
Maxed out bone armour + the sols and what not will neutralize their damage almost entirely

1 point in bone armor rest in bonewall (iirc thats the syn u want) and instead of sols p rubies lmao..

[DFA-FrstbyteOO]

27 honor chrger owns kickers so easy
Thats not always true.

Right before the reset I took my last BtK tagged char on a suicide run. Gave away her armor and used a twitch, took all my charms out. the rest was standard gear.

I proceeded to the first dueling game I saw. Lvl 26 kicker, and a 27 Charger in the game. Charger was no doubt an Eth Honor Knout user. Unless he had some other kind of Eth knout but at lvl 27 Im gonna say its pretty safe to assume it was Honored.

So I tell them my intentions of dueling till I die and both gladly hostile me after seeing my gear via MH.

I go out.. out comes the Pally, chickened him. out comes the Sassy, chickened her. Rinse and repeat the chiken NO less than 8 times EACH before they both came out and double teamed me for the win.

so to sum it up.. Honor Chargers dont beat kickers "that easily" if the kicker knows how to duel.

[ADSL]

1 point in bone armor rest in bonewall (iirc thats the syn u want) and instead of sols p rubies lmao..
I think you are missing the point.

a kickers pvp dmg per kick is pretty low, with the sol runes you will hardly take any dmg, that is if the sol rune dmg is counted for after the pvp penalty, i havent tested it but i guess you have.

[NightShade]

Edit : never mind


You'll see what I mean soon enough, instead of posting the build, I'll leave it to the imagination to see if some one can beat me to it..or if you can coax it out of Billy or Phantom.

[Delybrio]

It's easy enough to make an eth Honor Lance, I have several.

Just run a plain eth lance through the cube socket recipe, and you have a chance of turning every eth lance into an Honor.

[NightShade]

Some have better luck than others with that. I still have yet to get a 5..plently of 4's tho.

[slick4hire]

so to sum it up.. Honor Chargers dont beat kickers "that easily" if the kicker knows how to duel.

Agreed. I fluxed (or chickened) plenty of pallys, to include the 1H and 2H honor chargers, with a level 25 kicker. Actually, I found chargers to be less dificult then other builds such as a well built jabber.

Someone needs to remind me not to chase down a level 42 trapper with my level 25 kicker though. 5 x LS hurt with such poor light resistance... Of course it a dirt nap there is no pain...

:lol:

[ZounceHC]

Yes. The damage reduction of sols is calculated after the pvp penalty.

lvl 26 Kicker with 500 Dt Dmg = 83 pvp per kick, 333 Per 4 Kick cycle.

Sols x 7 = 49 Damage Reduced

83-49 = 34. = 136 Per 4 Kick Cycle

333 down to 136 is quite nice imo.

I always thought that kickers did more dmg than the display due to the success I had compared to the low dmg. I guess it's just the speed of DTalon hat explains this.