Is this wrong? If so, why am I having fun? [Archive]

ConnerMacleod

13-07-2004, 00:13

In the words of Harvey Firestein, or as played by Jon Lovitz, "Is this wrooooong?"

Read this and vote.

I hate Rush Monkies. And Rush Puppies too. I originally thought Rush Puppy was good, but Rush Monkey sounds MUCH better. It implies a trained chimp that just gloms on to a greater character to get through Hardcore, with no particular skills or talent for the game. I like completing each quest myself and going forth when I know the character is ready.

So like last season, I decided (per my New Season's Resolutions) to give bad TPs to anyone I didn't like, and attempt to get everyone who shouldn't be where they are ... killed. Woot! And it's working and I'm having a blast. I'm fast becoming the most hated person I guess, but I just can't help it. It's too much fun this early in the season. That's not to say I am trapping Waypoints and doing the unfair things (like what happened to Dahk's Druid, that is just LOW).

Case in point. I join an Ancient's quest yesterday to level through WS2, 3, and my character is about ready for Nightmare. These guys are all level 23, 20, 21, 24, and I think a 26 was in there. None had the waypoint, mostly because none had even killed Shenk yet... It's all about skipping straight to the leeching, let other's do the work. To hell with playing together, right? Don't attempt to hit about 30 before going to WS2.

Well, Baal died in that game, just about the time they got to the Arreat Summit. Good luck in Nightmare, you level 20's.

Same character, leveling in Nightmare WS2, 3, and throne like always. I am ready for Hell at this point because the sorc is killing everything. Level 49, 51, 45, etc all trying to kill the Ancients. A level 60ish helped them and they were ready to go leeching in Baal runs. About this same time, I was approaching Ventar, and one of them goes, TP TO THRONE! TP TO THRONE! Oh so rude. I teleport over to find the nastiest group of monsters I could find - Oblivion Knights and such en mass - and make my TP and go back to Ventar.

Pow, dead sorc. I didn't say 1, I didn't say "it's clear, come ahead". It's just assumed that High Levels don't mind you leeching off their xp, so the Rush Monkey bought it. I think his chicken failed him that time because as soon as he died, he exited. Like RIGHT at the same time. And the best part?

I went for Baal's throat while his friend was IN GAME spamming at me that I was an idiot and a noob. Well, you should stop whining and look at the party screen, because I killed Baal and got the quest, giving everyone who was partied a chance to go get rushed in Hell... in their late 40's and early 50's. I had such a blast with the Rush Monkies last night I wanna build more characters, and do the same. :flip:

So was I wrong? Tell me what a jerk I am in the Poll Above.

terrymanning

13-07-2004, 00:18

Not wrong, but I wouldn't do it. If they took the TP, it's their own fault.

TM

slick4hire

13-07-2004, 00:36

Conner, you are a flaming NOOB! I hate questing!

J/K

I don't mind, but I wouldn't do it. At least, that is, not often...

:evil:

STINGER

13-07-2004, 00:53

Well......i am not a fan of people doing this as what happened is what you intended, but you sure as hell didnt make them go in either.

nebby

13-07-2004, 01:12

I guess the only question I had is IF they had said "1?", would you have said "1", or just say nothing, or say "1.5", etc.

I think its hilarious, even if I wouldn't do it myself (well, OK, I might if they had been annoying for more than a minute or so...)

I say if you haven 't learned "caveat emptor TP" by now, you deserve what you get.

ZounceHC

13-07-2004, 01:23

I agree. I also enjoy playing through the game and actually get really bored if I can't kill anything. It also annoys me when doing baals when there are rude, ill-equiped leechers constantly demanding tps the second they see u have entered the throne. If leechers are polite and quietly wait for a safe tp I don't mind so much but spamming in caps to send a tp while u are trying to clear a safe spot to for one instantly makes it fair game to send a dirty tp imo. I don't usually just do it for kicks but i despise leechers who make demands like that.

kurg

13-07-2004, 01:56

Its amazing the number of times people have intentionally left me trapped portals and/or portaled me to a waypoint so they could waypoint PK me, and yet I HAVE NEVER DIED TO SUCH AN OBVIOUS PLOY.

I always have the hands on the juv keys, I never do it if my comp is lagging, and I always expect to find 50,000 monsters pounding on my head when I take a tp.

I've never died yet to a bad tp, and I have taken some very very bad tps, and also had to alt-F4 a few times.

Go ahead and mess with em. If you really want to irritate them, do hellforge quest while they're fighting diablo. And countess too, while they're finding andy. :D

Note: I never take cow portals unless I'm ready to die, or unless I completely trust the person. Cows would be an easy way for my perfect record to come to a halt.

ConnerMacleod

13-07-2004, 02:50

LOL, kurg, just stay out of NM cows if you see a lone sorc in there doing em! That's my absolute FAVORITE place to TP kill someone. They can't go through a blue so they have to take the red.... which of course I trapped the minute I was able to cast a safe blue for myself.

xxsteelxx

13-07-2004, 05:12

not only is it good to kill noobs this way its good to kill anyone stupid enough to walk through an unknown to first. The more peps we bad tp the easier it is to stay near the top of the ladder

Mecal

13-07-2004, 05:49

not only is it good to kill noobs this way its good to kill anyone stupid enough to walk through an unknown to first. The more peps we bad tp the easier it is to stay near the top of the ladder

that was exactely the point of my LLPK'ing Cleansing thread!! :thumbsup:

anyways, i have had a trapped TP once! (and not on ladder)
and it was with a lvl 21 necro, in A4 Normal!! lol, and i lived! and someone else died. :lol:

Dahkar

13-07-2004, 06:00

Conner you shouldtalk to me again :). Only reason i was rushing amazon is because dueler ^^. Btw i got enough to repay you for titans now.

_OrpheusPrime_

13-07-2004, 06:16

Doing a little hell baaling with my shockbear druid (lvl 80) has show me there are more dumbasses than ever near the top on HCL. I mean, so many newb hammerdins and sorcs with chicken are in my games, its a wonder they get there because i swear a hammerdin or sorc is killed every run by an extra strong boss or standing too close to where lister spawns.. ect ect.

I myself have had only 1 close-ish call with an extra-strong, curse, conviction, FE that too my 5,312 hp (oak and BO) waay too low.. i dont remeber exactly how close, i full juved too fast, but yeah, there are tons of newbs on the ladder that need to be killed. If i had a sorc that could 'tele' for these runs.. id be killing all the moochers i could.

Semidi

13-07-2004, 06:29

Why I stopped playing.
I hate people with mh rushing around and not questing. Ruined the game more for me than hacks, dupes, and botters. just my opinion.

Dire_Wulf

13-07-2004, 07:16

Funny you should post this thread... cuz i did exactly that last night. I was killing shenk in a "Act3 Rush Me" game.. in NM. This guy was like.. can you give us durance? I told him "In a sec". Like 2 seconds later hes like "COMON" so i hearded up some urdars (the act3 equivilant) and tpd. I never said it was safe... and 2 of them bought it. it made me feel this odd yet satisfied feeling :D. They were both lvl 40

ConnerMacleod

13-07-2004, 11:17

Here's the standard anymore:
Level 2 Necro in game (aka Noob)

Noob: sorc? Can i have something ? Can i have something? or 80K
Me: She has no money, she's just in game for xp
Noob: can u get some
Me: just kill monsters
Noob: ?
Noob(noob) left our world. Diablo's minions weaken.

Level 2 asking for 80k? Alright, here we go, lesson about stashing. Stash can hold 50k, and at level 2 you can hold HOW MUCH GOLD?

Edit: By the way Dahk, I know you were leveling for dueling, that doesn't count. But consistently demanding TPs and such is bad bull. Not at Dahk: Get some friends if you want to rush, will ya!? Some of us may be here to enjoy the game.

Cironir

13-07-2004, 12:05

It's not something I'd do, because at the end of the day, you do ruin someone's day, even if they're a moron. Differently put, I think it pretty much means that you sunk on their level. Takes zero skill to get people killed who were dead before their screen was done loading, which makes it a bit pointless, in my opinion. So, no, no kudos for being cool, sorry. :)

Don't get me wrong, I find people who beg for rushes extremely annoying, and it's one of the reason why I started to spend some time in SP (still doing ladder now, though, until rushing and dupes are back in full force), but I just squelch them and let them get frustrated. Who cares if they pester if you don't see it and their presence gives you more xp? ;)

I agree that people are fairly stupid. There's no way I'd take someone's portal unless I've played for a while with them, know them, or had a chance to get a feel for them. Still, I don't know, I wouldn't exploit people's stupidity or carelessliness (yeah, I'm one of the dorks who tell a cashier that they accidentally received too much change).

Dahkar

13-07-2004, 12:10

TT sorry, ive been playing to many pubs. Alot of people there forget tp. I dont think I spammed tp while we were questing tonight. Well I hope I didnt ^^

ConnerMacleod

13-07-2004, 12:10

hehe, I give the money back too.

I'm not looking for kudos, I'm really more or less curious what the general concensus is using this legit method of PKing people. Gotta keep the ladder season fair and challenging for all, there's $174 worth of worthless Blizzard crap available for the first 99!

edit: LOL Dahk. Funny part was we all ended up pretty much at the same level at the end.

toutim

13-07-2004, 12:44

Just my two cents:
-I don't mind skipping some normal and even some nm quests. The game is not that interesting before hell (too easy)
-take the average baal run game: 1-3 people doing the actual killing, 0-2 helpers (bo, curses...), and the rest leechers. Take off the leechers, and baal runs become 2-5 players games, not full games, thus reducing the interest of the run, even for the ones actually doing the work. Of course, if they start spamming 'need free plz' or other nonsense, the ratio leecher annoyance / leecher usefulness goes way up...

NightShade

13-07-2004, 12:54

C'mon conner, where's your spite and condescendence?

They're nothing but barely functional insects for us to toy with at any given time we please. They don't feel and certainly don't think...obliterate them with a smile and sleep well knowing you just made them a little bit unhappier. They're nothing and should be wiped from the face of B.net as such.

I commend you.

Gyro

13-07-2004, 13:45

This post reminds me that social niceties evaoporate in situations where people are shielded from perceiving the consequences of their behavior.

The way people behave on the road for example. Suddenly others are no longer people to be treated with respect, but idiots or a@@holes who should get out of the damn way.

Just a game, of course, but since you posed the question, would you really feel fine about letting yourself behave this way if you were in the same room with the person? To me, that's a low but determinable measure of how much respect I'm giving out.

EDIT: BTW my friend and I who are first-time HC players easily defeated the Ancients at level 24. Lucky for us you weren't in our game to teach us a lesson by stealing our Baal Quest.

NightShade

13-07-2004, 13:50

We kill people for enjoyment. While I can't speak for Conner, I generally refrain from killing those in a room with me. Makes me look bad ^^.

MoUsE_WiZ

13-07-2004, 14:13

Well now I understand all the talk of killing rush monkies that went on tonight anyways.

Keep up the good work Conner, of course people willing to take TPs from high level strangers because they're in a hurry need to be made dead.
I bet they'd prefer it happen while they're low level than somewhere in their 80s.

The quest stealing is even better. Hey, if they feel they need to kill the ancients, they should be ready for baals anyways.
And if they're ready for baals, they should be ready to kill baal's minions for themselves.
From there, they're better off soloing it anyways, that's what I did tonight. Got me a vipermagi and a razorswitch for my troubles too.
Even if they can't solo it themselves, they can create baal runs where baal can be killed, so they're at least helping the community out...and as such, you are helping the community. Good work, you deserve a metal for being such a humanitarian.

Personally, I don't bother doing things like trapping the red, but if some level 1 comes down and starts following me, I tell them to leave. If they don't, well leading cows back to them is easy enough.

leihotikan

13-07-2004, 14:41

You are sooooo righteous, lol.

Let others play their game if they dont hurt anybody. You are jerk, just as you wanted to hear. People that go to HC are not too noobish, they must have proven something, played a little. I understand that there are many noobs and morons in HC, as in every pub game, yet doing so is just lame for me. WHat? Is it so funy to kill ppl? Go hostile and pk them in decent duel. Traping sucks and will always suck for me, especially to ppl that didnt try to pk you in lame way (and thats the only reason when I justify killing them)

Oh, did I make enemies here in this forum? I dont really care... that is **** what you do, gl.

Cenzas

13-07-2004, 14:47

These guys are all level 23, 20, 21, 24, and I think a 26 was in there. None had the waypoint, mostly because none had even killed Shenk yet... It's all about skipping straight to the leeching, let other's do the work. To hell with playing together, right? Don't attempt to hit about 30 before going to WS2.

Disagreed. If you choose the right build and twink it with sigon-type items, you can kill or at least tank Baal's minions way before level 30. Besides who wouldn't want a bit lower level zon casting slow missiles? I guess it's good I wasn't in that game...

But no, I don't mind such things. The hardcore is about surviving. If you are stupid enough to take a strangers tp to NM Baal... well start over again. The worst part is that they don't learn. They keep trying to go through the game by plain leeching. They die 1, 2, 10, 20 times, but don't even think about changing their behavior.

So keep doing this great job. :thumbsup:

NightShade

13-07-2004, 14:52

Intentional gifts of trapped TP's when people are begging/leeching...Boo-hoo.

They now have to leech and beg yet again. The cycle continues.

Vectom

13-07-2004, 14:57

Not really, but I wouldn't do that

...because I just don't care anymore :cheesy:

ConnerMacleod

13-07-2004, 20:40

LMAO Nightshade, condescending behavior? Moi?

Listen, I am a jerk on Bnet. I think I mentioned last night in our questing that I was working to be the biggest noob in pubbies. Without using TPPK hacks that is. And if someone is decently twinked, they will survive!

I remember last season I was twinked to all creation with Godly Cathan's within the first two weeks. A level 60ish joined my norm Act 2 game and bad TP'd me. I got the waypoint and tp'd back to town. I took the risk, I won. Can't say that always because I've gotten nailed with a bad red before.

Like Let's Make a Deal, what's behind TP #1? Oh! X Fast Death Lords! Or maybe Conviction Burning Souls! Or maybe, just maybe, there will be a chance to get free experience at the expense of a superior player.

Oh, and if the person WAS in the same room as me, I would probably kill them, online of course. I'm currently working on a strafer to go kill someone's necro on my /f list. And yes, I play with him all the time. That's a story in itself.

Test your might and character's build - take a stranger's TP.

By the way, nobody has voted option four yet! But it's overwhelmingly in the majority that Bad TPs are Good Bull.

HCTwinJava

13-07-2004, 21:11

just my .02:

1- lvl 20ish chars, if they are able to work together in a complementary way, are able to kill Norm ancients, get to Throne and then kill Norm Baal too. Last weekend, I saw a lvl 20ish Hammerdin alone tanked in Throne in a full HCL game, and myself had experience killing Norm ancients with a bunch of 20ish HC chars only, and NM ancients with everyone in their 40-50s. Not very easy, regardless. but if a 20ish druid tanks for a lvl 24+ sorc, Norm ancients are no longer very hard. If a lvl 50ish necro leads 10+ minions tanking for the whole party on NM arreat summit, defeating NM ancients is not too hard also.

2- I don't mind setting a bad tp to guard your "area" (cow lvl, typically). I did this in the past by "dragging" monsters to wp when there was a PKer in the same game and I didn't want to exit. But I don't think it's fair to others to intentionally trap a TP and then "lure" whoever into entering it for a quick death. Saying 1 or not doesn't matter. What matters is really the bad intention behind it.

If I don't want to give a wp/tp, I simply don't do it. If I ever decide to help with a wp/tp, I'll keep my "words" by helping with a wp/tp.

Some experienced players obviously don't like many noobs. Yes, I do hate some noobs, they are rude, very, very rude! But simply being a noob or whatever type of inexperienced player does not deserve being tricked to death. Every player was once a 100% noob.

4- Not all noobs use MH, chick hacks, or whatever. When I'm bored in private games, I play in pubbies just like any noob, but no hacks of whatever type. Yes, in pubbies, I'm a dumb noob, who never states he/she really knows how to play this game. Some day later, I guess I may be tricked and die too.

At this moment, I can only remember a long time ago a lvl 20ish leecher asked my javazon to help her get her body, and insisted that I enter her tp, instead of my own... my java died in 4 or 5 sec due to block lock when fully surrounded with Hell cows... But that's fine. I hated that sorc only for a second or two, cuz that was SC. It's just a game after all.

happyfamine

13-07-2004, 21:12

Dirty Don

13-07-2004, 21:14

Personally? I think its cheesy/lame/childish. Reminds me of the same attitude that a Hyrda PKer would have.

I don't quest. I have played through the game for beginning to end over ten times (single player and on B.Net) and now I enjoy mfing and dueling/pking.

But, I also don't beg for PAs. If someone is bothering me I hit "p" then squelch them. Problem solved. I "peronsally" think it's low down to send trapped tps and steal quest.

But hey, that just me, and I could be wrong... do what you like man.

HCTwinJava

13-07-2004, 22:15

i was in a normal baal game and some <30 was spamming TPTPTPTPTPTPTPTP. so the sorc opens a tp but doesn't give a '1'. the spammer goes through and sends three messages:

'omg'
'its a trap there are monsters'
'dont take tp'

and then dies.
'OMG why didnt mh exit?!'

it was a great moment for all of bnet.

1- the player was very likely a kid (or just a kiddish adult)

2- the player wasn't very polite. (hey what could you expect of a kid addicted to a game?)

3- the player wasn't a bad boy or gal, for just before his/her sorc died, he/she told everyone the truth about the tp and actually typed a warning.

4- the player wasn't an experienced MH user like many truly "expierenced" players.

I might lament the death of this cheap sorc for a sec. But it's just a game. Died in HC? Just start all over again, or go back to SC, if the game is still enjoyable. Whether the lesson is learned doesn't really matter. A lvl 20ish leeching sorc is just way cheap to rebuild: 2 or 3 hrs in pubbies, that's it. And in another 2 hours, she's already 40 somehting.

ConnerMacleod

13-07-2004, 23:16

Woot! Someone finally voted for number 4! Wish I made it public, I'd like to know who it was... ;)

I wouldn't dare set a trap to kill off level 20s... I prefer to complete the Baal Quest while they kill the Ancients as I said. It's very annoying to them, but hey, what were you doing partying with my level 40ish sorc? Leeching? kktksggomg I and others realize that rebuilding to 20ish is easy, so why kill them with trapped tps?

Level 50ish isn't that easy to rebuild on the other hand. And MAYBE they twinked that new Occy, Perfect Viper, and War Travelers before they started their leeching. And even better, they have a Shako and a Death's Fathom in their stash waiting on the appropriate level!

In the former case, not only are they Rush Monkies, they are Rush Twinkies too! Man, inventing all sorts of new terms this week.

Rush Twinky - n., adj., A person that mules items to their character in anticipation of equipping them when they hit the appropriate levels so that they do not have to stop their runs to go mule the item privately after reaching the necessary level. see also; Conner's favorite type of PK.

nebby

14-07-2004, 03:52

Disagreed. If you choose the right build and twink it with sigon-type items, you can kill or at least tank Baal's minions way before level 30. Besides who wouldn't want a bit lower level zon casting slow missiles? I guess it's good I wasn't in that game...

Well, what Conner is talking about is the ladder, so I don't think there are too many well-twinked new characters out there just yet, just a lot of lazy people who can't figure out how to make a character strong enough to level AND mf on their own...

And as far as ruining some kid's day, well, it's a $hitty world, and the sooner they learn that, the better.

gj Conner.

Gyro

14-07-2004, 05:32

Well, what Conner is talking about is the ladder, so I don't think there are too many well-twinked new characters out there just yet, just a lot of lazy people who can't figure out how to make a character strong enough to level AND mf on their own...

I don't disapprove of what Conner is doing as long as it's in the spirit of the game (i.e. respects other players' right to enjoy the game). I may change my mind the first time it happens to me.

I still don't understand the patronizing attitude toward <30 lvl players. Since Holy Shield is acquired at level 24, it's not that tough for untwinked Paladins with decent allocations in dex/vit to tank Ancients and Minions starting from that level. I'm sure there are similar viable builds for most other classes as well.

Even though I like most of the posters here, I do get the feeling that many experienced HC players (which I admit I am not) simply get off on opportunities to feel superior. Doing so at the expense of inexperienced players makes me question their motives and integrity. I suspect that these retroactive justifications and mutual declarations of approval are a part of the ego circle-jerk. "Let's tell each other some more stories about why 'THEY' are so pathetic and deserve to be squashed like bugs." Fortunately for anyone wanking off, there's no compelling need for a reality check in a fantasy game, which makes these posts all the more ironic. Or ridiculous?

Anyway, whatever rocks your pony. I admit it gives players more incentive to succeed knowing that there are extra hidden dangers to be overcome. But personally I just wish it weren't so hard to find players who get off on cooperative play. Not everyone wants to play solo just to avoid being tricked into an untimely death, though it's smart to be prepared. Most of the time I'd rather play with a group of honest noobs than jaded more-superior-than-thou pk-ers. It's not easy to find a good HCL group with characters at ~the same level. It's even harder when you're not living in a western timezone. When I do find a group to play with, I don't appreciate some relic trying to break it up to stroke his ego at everyone else's expense.

xxsteelxx

14-07-2004, 06:00

a fun pass time of mine is norm cowin to get lld charms/jewels. I tell peps before the game "all drops are mine" When i see someone take a something the next game i make him not hear me and tell the rest not to enter to when i say 1. I trap the tp...call 1..annoying little grabber dies :winner:

Cenzas

14-07-2004, 08:27

Well, what Conner is talking about is the ladder, so I don't think there are too many well-twinked new characters out there just yet, just a lot of lazy people who can't figure out how to make a character strong enough to level AND mf on their own...

I was talking from my own experience. I collect low level items. Even traded "better" equipment like Frosties, Spectral Shard, uniq Jo in day 2 ladder for some Sigon's. I don't get PAs. It's just more fun to acquire 4 levels in a few minutes when cleaning tombs alone in a full game.

I was tanking all the minions with my level 25-26 ama. Not any lower because I simply try to kill ancients at level ~24.

Also I saw somebody wow'ing, that a party of 20's on normal, and party of 40's on NM can actually kill ancients by themselves. I yet to get involved the other way around. You join special game, party and gogogo. Sure somebody might die, especially on NM Ancient q, but I survive :)

Normal Ancients are a light walk if you got at least one decent-damage dealer and few tanks.

In other words I HATE being helped by a lot higher level. Exceptions are rare. For example: a friend asks me to help him mule while I'm going through Act 1 or am at Diablo. So I ask him to help with the q so I can help him mule. Fair deal, isn't it?

NightShade

14-07-2004, 08:32

If only some how we could cleanse b.net of idiocy......prehaps concentrate them into some sort of crude housing system...they'd make camp there...yes...

Then prehaps purge them with fire.

Gyro

14-07-2004, 08:45

If only some how we could cleanse b.net of idiocy......prehaps concentrate them into some sort of crude housing system...they'd make camp there...yes...

Then prehaps purge them with fire.

I thought that's what the bots were going to be when they came back--the perfect Trojan horse for imbeciles who would get purged when Bnet discovered they had fallen victim to their own weakness for a shortcut.

Call me eternally optimistic, cuz the new ladder economy is already flush with bottables while I'm still scouring the surface of Act 5 norm for flawed gems and a 3 skt pally shield.

kurg

14-07-2004, 08:46

The main point I would disagree with (and others have also mentioned their disagreement as well) is that a bunch of lvl 20-ish chars can do norm ancients w/o much trouble (say lvls 20-25). And lvl 40-ish characters can take NM ancients w/o much trouble (say lvls 40-50). It doesn't happen very often just because someone usually brings a high lvl friend. But when it does happen I always take a screenshot of the party levels on top of Arreat summit with gold statues shining.

So its sort-of unfair to target lvl 20-somethings just because they're doing ancients, unless they're whining incessantly to have you come help them. On the other hand if they made an 'ancients' game, and you're baal running in it w/o helping them do ancients, then that is rather rude on your behalf.

Besides its no biggie to not be able to see normal games, as you can just make a brand new lvl 1 mule character to scout out normal games, and then logout and rejoin with the lvl 25 char.

5zigen

14-07-2004, 08:58

more power too you cooner. I always hate it when people are like "help us with andy sorc", and im like, "no" then they start cursing ect. nah if you dont want to play the game yourself dont play it. this is technically a competetive ladder, so like, isnt it about getting you (or your friends) in the best positions? how could this be looked down upon? Its completely legit, and one of the oldest ways to kill people off.

anyway. For example if i was in this type of situation, in real life i mean, like when in college you have group projects, and somone doesnt contribute or is just worthless in general and doesnt try to help, yeah sure i would get let them learn from their mistakes.

anyway thats just my .02$

ConnerMacleod

14-07-2004, 13:26

Interesting 5zigen, that exact situation happened my last semester of college when Senior Projects were due. One guy never came to meetings, etc, and then at presentation day he BS'd his way through. Surprise, surprise, a peer evaluation form was given at the end of the presentation. He did not graduate with us in the end. Jeez, almost ten years ago and I'm still chapped about that guy.

I've never liked leechers. And kurg, I don't TARGET level 20's. I merely assist them with getting to NM faster, because in the end that's where they want to go. I don't trap a TP for them, I figure they'll have more fun in NM Act 1 when nobody wants to party them.

Ahhh, xxsteelxx, don't give away your secrets!

Gyro

14-07-2004, 13:33

And kurg, I don't TARGET level 20's. I merely assist them with getting to NM faster, because in the end that's where they want to go. I don't trap a TP for them, I figure they'll have more fun in NM Act 1 when nobody wants to party them.

Whatever. Since you can only do this once (i.e. when your character hasn't already completed the quest) I guess you're relatively harmless.

cyradis2003

15-07-2004, 08:24

Oh, did I make enemies here in this forum? I dont really care... that is **** what you do, gl.

Why would that make you enemies? You stated your oppinion on a thread that asked for your oppinion. Dun fret it.

Personally Conner if they are annoying I squelch them, if they endanger me in some way I will kill them if I can - if I can't I leave. If they try to steal my drops when I am killing all the beasties ... well 9/10 I know the lil dipwads so I can't kill them no matter how much I want to ... and man sometime I really really want to.

Especially when they grab something and type "heehee" or some crap like that then act all surprised when I ask for it back since I just let them keep anything I don't really want. *grumbles* Know what? next time I am gonna get the lil booger killed ... oh wait .... then he would beg for a rush ...

ps ... I voted noob just because I feel like calling you names, not that I actively disagree with you. :uhhuh: I might need a nap ...

muckus

15-07-2004, 16:54

Rueter_Reborn

15-07-2004, 17:26

What gives you the right to prey on the weak? I could careless that you get thrills out of traping tp's. They should know better than to enter tps of bm players. Its just sad you have regressed to thinking you can change the way people choose to play the game. Some people do lack the skill to lvl solo or as a party through the game and as you said earlier you did the same thing before till you discovered questing and leveling "the correct way" through the game. Your just a contributor to the on going problems with public games.

Have fun you goober :P

Rueter

edit: Your not wrong but not right either.

slick4hire

15-07-2004, 18:19

MoUsE_WiZ

15-07-2004, 18:40

BM as in bad mannered, I believe is what he means.

Not that it makes the latter any less true.

Rueter_Reborn

15-07-2004, 23:25

bm = bad mannered

@slick4hire: sounds like you don't know what your talking about. :thumbsup:

I don't know Conner personally. Nor do I kiss his arss and answer his thread replies. Hell Connor could be a great guy to play with and for the most part playing the game as he see's fit. Like I said I could careless about the bmpks. He asked if it was "wrong and I said no but its not right either."

:worship:

Phantom_Man

15-07-2004, 23:41

Okay, so I skipped over all of the other 47 posts.

I do enjoy questing, but some of the time I'm making duelers, and can't place my stats to use any weapon that will be any good. That is why I leech sometimes.

Also, it's hard to quest with every character. Some builds just aren't good until a certain point. Such as: my wind druid. He sucked until about 35 with good equipment on.(He actually did quest, but I was with a friend who was a trapassn and killed everything.)

Phantom- :drink:

nebby

15-07-2004, 23:51

I still don't understand the patronizing attitude toward <30 lvl players. Since Holy Shield is acquired at level 24, it's not that tough for untwinked Paladins with decent allocations in dex/vit to tank Ancients and Minions starting from that level. I'm sure there are similar viable builds for most other classes as well.

Agreed. A party of cooperative, skilled players even with no eqipment to speak of can deal with normal ancients pretty handily at lvl24-29. However, again, I think maybe you've had a somewhat better gaming experience in pubbies, as many people, not just "relics", have had the pleasure of being annoyed by an entire group of strangers spamming for TPs and begging for rushes. I think that Conner is not refering to polite, cooperative players here, rather the former group.

Even though I like most of the posters here, I do get the feeling that many experienced HC players (which I admit I am not) simply get off on opportunities to feel superior. Doing so at the expense of inexperienced players makes me question their motives and integrity. I suspect that these retroactive justifications and mutual declarations of approval are a part of the ego circle-jerk. "Let's tell each other some more stories about why 'THEY' are so pathetic and deserve to be squashed like bugs." Fortunately for anyone wanking off, there's no compelling need for a reality check in a fantasy game, which makes these posts all the more ironic. Or ridiculous?

Well, posters here are no different than any other sampling of humans. A$$h0les are going to be a big part of the demographic. But, as far as feeling superior, I think that many- I'm just speaking from my own experience here, which I believe to be similar to others posting here -- many posters' expressed irritation with such people is the laziness factor, not the lack of skill or items. Let me elaborate: (1) We all, including Stinger, Conner, Rach, Rowdy, Barry, Nightshade, and even ZF {and whatever other relics you want to dig up) started the game the same way: we bought the box, installed it, started with nothing, and kept playing and trying things to get better. Few were "fortunate" enough to have ready access to free rushes, enchants, bots, MH, chickens, triggers, etc to get by. (2) Even if you only play rarely, and you have very few "uber" items, it does not in fact mean tha the only way to progress is to beg for rushes and ITAMZ PLZ. I myself have only had to time to play rarely lately, and so only managed one character to hell still alive, and that's in Act1. Do I need or want RUSH PLZ, or GIB ITAMZ! or Durance TPTPTPTPTPTPTP....no, of course not. I suspect neither do you. (3) Finally, if you can't spank the taters out of some snotty kids in a game, where the hell else are you supposed to do it? ;)

Here endeth the Defense of the Relics.

ConnerMacleod

16-07-2004, 01:22

@nebby: :worship: :worship: :worship: Very nicely put.

I was a newbie just 4 short years ago. Man, I'm a relic. OUCH. That hurts! Now I gotta go PK level 9s with my level 80 sorc to get my emotions and poor self-esteem back in order. Prozac, where's my Prozac!?

Just remember that part of HC is always checking your party screen. If you see someone doing Baal in an Act 5 game (and who actually quests it besides me?) just leave the game or the party. Always leech from friends, not in pubbies. And at least I'm not randomly joining public Baal runs just to see how many people drop when I hit hostile... and then leave a second or two later. :p

SpittingHammers

16-07-2004, 01:43

Honestly I dont think it is wrong but I wouldnt do it either. I dont mind when people take my TP's but at the same time I dont worry about clearing them. They say TP i say ok and wherever I am at the moment will get a TP lol. I dont like getting Rushed but sometimes you can only play the game so many times before it gets boring lol. Either way you do what you want. I cant get rushed anyways because i dont have any HC friends (this is because I just got back to playing after a year of being away and i just got cable :D) . I am allways looking for people to play with on UsWest. I hate playing by myself. I find myself rushing so I can go play with other people and have someone to talk to. anyways i voted no but i wouldnt do this. *grins*

Smashy

16-07-2004, 02:51

I'd say it's fine to do it if an obviously much-lower-than-should-be level dude starts spamming something like "SEND TP HURRY" 3 or 4 times. :D

Other than that, planting a death trap is kinda uncalled for...

Slash

16-07-2004, 02:56

that was a hard vote...i wanted to put #1 but then again i do think you a flaming nOOb....so i went with the latter ;)

NightShade

16-07-2004, 04:25

It's nice to be known as a relic isn't it?

Gyro

16-07-2004, 04:37

It's nice to be known as a relic isn't it?

Well, if the shoe fits, wear it with pride. At least no one here has gotten too jaded for good-natured banter.

NightShade

16-07-2004, 04:41

<----King of spam.

nebby

16-07-2004, 05:00

<----King of spam.

I'm not so sure, *Brother Nightshade. I see that Stinger is rapidly approaching 3,000 posts....

Do we get to pour Gatorade on him when he does?

*from the Fraternal Order of Aged Relics, obviously

sohcan

16-07-2004, 05:16

Had to vote that there was nothing wrong with it. Unless you are playing with friends you never enter a tp from another player. If you like to gamble with that then by all means do so, or build your character so that they can take a trapped tp. I can't count how many trapped tps I went through during the first 1.10 ladder season, but my characters either accepted death might be there, or were built to deal with it.

Gogo p-ruby gear and max block! :D

***Edit*** Also it might not be a nice thing to do, but someone's inability to play smart, or to build a resilient character, isn't Conner's or anyone else's problem. Play smart or accept the risks.

MoUsE_WiZ

16-07-2004, 05:22

I'm not so sure, *Brother Nightshade. I see that Stinger is rapidly approaching 3,000 posts....

Do we get to pour Gatorade on him when he does?

*from the Fraternal Order of Aged Relics, obviously
AshHousewares and Fenris r teh pwnz Nightshade, just to name a couple.

Stinger has a high post count, but he doesn't just blatantly spam for the most part, although he's not afraid to flame people who (most of the time) deserve it, that's different than spam.

NS can have a title relating to "Duke of HC Spam" or something to that extent, but AshHousewares is the clear king.

NightShade

16-07-2004, 06:42

I can never touch ash. He's exceeded Darius.

ConnerMacleod

16-07-2004, 07:24

Me and my poor post count, hell I barely contribute here. Why do I try?

Thanks guys for the Noob votes! At least SOME of you are honest with me! I think I'll devise a list of annoying legit things you can do in the game that annoy everyone. :idea: I mean, why just annoy the lower levels! Annoy higher levels too! Everybody's gotta die of SOMETHING! What, do you wanna live forever?

ConnerMacleod

16-07-2004, 08:17

Woot! I finally got my orb'er into Hell! Below are the pics!

Before Death (http://img6.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img6&image=Screenshot011.jpg)

After Death (http://img6.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img6&image=Screenshot16.jpg)

Now I ask you, why are there so many people in town? And what's with all the 40's!? Ok ok ok, I admit it, I helped them through D, and then after Baal they caught on after Ancients were dead - which I PA'd for them (killing all three). You gotta ask however, how long 'til deeds for them? Hmmm?

ps. yes, I act like a 5 year old, but guess what? This is ladder season! To the top yo!