foh and telsadin

[jmoney21]

could foh be viable as a pvm skill at all? i was thinking of adding foh with a telsadin just for a different twist, but i doubt it would be viable pvm. you could put 1 pt into conviction and let +skills carry it so you can switch to it when you use foh. just looking for some input with the idea.

[wvx_leader_returns]

20 FOH
20 Holy shock
20 zeal
20 sac
rest conviction

Idk my first feeling was it would be Completely lame, but looking at the skills roughly together it doesnt look too bad. But, I think that having lightning/lightning is too one dimensional, and you will Definately have Serious troubles with lightning immune. Act 3 will be death in hell. I dont think its the best combo but if you want it you can try.

[Wurmer]

I pretty much agree, I also think that FOH needs to be paired with conviction to show some efficiency.

[Tanatus]

I have templar that play mostly PvM (was testing some idea's about damage vs. deffense)....
Here is what I heave learned
Everything that not LI will die in 1 hit from FOH (single player game) - assuming your conviction with items give you -150% lit resist total and total damage from FOH is 3.5k+
Everything that LI ... pain in the arse - you need use both conviction and wand/dagger with lower resist lvl 2 charges to deliver more or less reasonable damage. From my expirience I need ~4-5 hits to kill LI monster in 3-4 players with -221% lit resist grand total (conviction + items+lower resist) and my FOH damage is 4.2k
Now about bad side - FOH have recast delay so you'll do basical 1 hit per second top which lead to next problem - unless you have deffense like a mamonth and track load various elemetnal absorbance and PDR - once you surrounded by group of monsters .... you'll have a problem...
In PvM FOH truely awesome skill to kill hellwitches, evil dolls, pack of undeads (not LI type) and those peskly flayers

[jmoney21]

just found out that the dmg outputted by foh cannot be resisted by demons or undead but can be use in conjunction with conviction to make it stronger

[Uhgii]

I actually almost completed a pretty hefty guide on this, which I entitled the "Teslafister" (from lack of a better name...). I have mine at level 80, and its extremely efficient, even in hell. Paired up with a nice conviction, the FoH will prove useful in PvM, and especially PvP if you plan to use this build at all for PvP (and yes, I am aware your original post is about PvM, and my character does great in hell, with a few minor weaknesses, but he can do anything himself.)

An easy way out of any situation in which zeal paired with holy shock wouldn't be a good idea... FoH typically pulls through, and its nice to give it a little variation... I had a lot of fun with the build, and I'll get to finishing up the guide soon... I could always post what I have so far, and get a little input. It's nothing too special, but I felt like I'd try to add a little something to the community through a build I found to be extremely efficient and fun.

However, I would suggest no more than 1 point in zeal and sacrifice, as the rest would need to be poured into holy shock, resist lightning, FoH, and conviction (which you would want to cap at Slvl 25 I believe... I'm tired, and don't feel like looking it up in my guide.) Get a nice casting weapon, or hand of blessed light, on switch with another hoz, and you're pretty much set for anything you'll encounter. Then again, its 3:30 AM and I could be mindlessly babbling, so please excuse me if this post is repetitive, flawed, or annoying.

Cheers. :thumbsup:

[Tanatus]

just found out that the dmg outputted by foh cannot be resisted by demons or undead but can be use in conjunction with conviction to make it stronger
not true .... skeletons that listed LI wont be affected by FOH unless you hit em with conviction first. Only hammer posses ability to ignore magic immunity of deamons and undeads

[belth]

not true .... skeletons that listed LI wont be affected by FOH unless you hit em with conviction first. Only hammer posses ability to ignore magic immunity of deamons and undeads

Indeed, never ever believe what Arreat Summit says, check from other, more reliable, sources 1st.

On the subject, I was actually looking at the skills recently and thought of the following skill-plan (not that I intend to make such a character, but anyway):

20 FoH
20 Holy Shock
20 Resist Lightning
~10 Zeal
Enough in Conviction to get to slvl25 in the end
rest Holy Shield
+pre-reqs

rely on Offensive or Combat skillers to "favor" either the melee-side or the "mage" side.

[Tanatus]

Seriously after playing a lot with pure templar I come to conclusion (regardless my initial sceptical view) that best complementary skill for FOH is smite but only if if you are rich and can afford fency rune words like "beast"
FOH simply useless unless you have truely fearsome conviction AND plently -light % (via facets and and via lower resist lvl 2 charges) I have 4.2k FOH with total -221% to enemy resist - its just barely enouth to be efficient. With maxed HS (easy for templar) with beast in scrouge and upped HOZ you should have very decent smite damage as well
I guess what I am trying to say is FOH is skill point consuming I'd not pick it as secondary attack and rather for something more efficient and skill point cheaper

[space_loner]

Yes, as Wurmer knows, I've tried this build.

The only advantage here is that you've already maxed the synergy, from here on it all goes downhill (lightning immunes **** you, not enough points to spare in conviction... etc.)

Teslafister eh? How about a corny name like Heaven's Storm:)

This build actually does work a little, the skill allocation should be

1 zeal
1 holy shield
20 FoH
20 Holy Shock
5+ Conviction
20 Resist Lightning
20 Conviction
afterwards pour into holy shield

as you can see it takes quite a few lvls to complete this. The trick here is to mass spam on captain grand charms (id say mininum is 8) to boost both your holy shock and your conviction. You need to get all your +skills sorted out beforehand so you can put the least points into conviction possible (since it maxes out at slvl 25)

using +combat grand charms would not be as effective since you only boost FoH (well, yeah, and holy shield) Those charms would be more useful in clerics and hammerdins.

I'd think this is more a PvP build, though, especially if you switch zeal with charge. You need both your FoH and Holy Shock damage to at least average 5k though.

For pvp, I can't imagine you using FoH all that much...

[Uhgii]

While there are far more effective builds, I made myself a tesladin, and it was very average... and it did fine in hell. However, I then made one of these builds, as I felt the points wasted in zeal and sacrifice were useless while using CMPB as my main weapon for zeal/holy shock... so I figured I could better spend them in a skill that was pre-synergized... hence, FoH. It was a lot more fun, and I had a slightly easier time with it, as I could always step back, and use a rather effective FoH with a Slvl ~25 conviction, which isn't hard at all to accomplish with some decent +skill gear. It's just a little fresh variation, and it was very fun in my honest opinion... I would recommend trying it. And I actually felt, though I'm no avid dueler, than the FoH mine uses is also rather effective in PvP, though in PvM, I do find myself using zeal/holy shock more...

I still thought it was fun, and I still felt it was effective. It's really ideal if you use a CMPB as your weapon of choice for zeal... I picked a hand of blessed light as my alternate weapon with another pdia hoz, and it worked fairly well.

And I told you it was a lame name... I'm not creative, so I put "Tesla" and "Fister" together, as I'm sure you all figured out. I'm corny... what can I say? But I have an 8-10 page guide waiting to be posted on this build... explaining the pros and cons, equipment choices, and my own personal experience... I doubt it'll be anything big, as its just a variation of a tesladin, but it was fun, and I felt like I'd write a little something for the community, and maybe get a few other people to try out this build.

[wvx_leader_returns]

FOH simply useless unless you have truely fearsome conviction AND plently -light %



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