WEp for ww?

[rdjw]

Whats the best weapon for a Pvp WW barb? Botd cb or zerker? or zod d cleaver? or what?

[Omikron8]

Between the zerker and the CB the zerker wins hands down. Both weapons are range 3 (highest for one handed weapons) but the zerker has higher average damage and lower requirements.

As for the zod'ed death cleaver versus BoTD zerker, i will leave that suggestion to someone more knowledgable like Hal.

[xpumafangx]

Matters on what you want to do. Do you want alot of deadly strike or do you want really high attack ratting? Like with the deaths cleaver 66% deadly then 32% from highlords = 98%. Thats 3% more then you need. You will want 2 perfect raven frosts for dex (block) and 500 attack ratting. Throw on some wartravelers and steelrend.

Or ebotd BA, 2 angelic rings, and 1 ammy. no cannotbefrozen, fine get a better wirlwind some times. Or cham your helm, sheild, or armor. Boots wartravelers, steelrends. Here you are doing less damage but you are getting 2426 attack ratting from items at level 99.

I think we are going with arreats face, stormsheild, 15% dr verndegos, and stone armor right?

Hal am I right to be posting this?

[Halciet]

Aye, I'd say you're more or less right. You only need the angelics against other melee opponents, and you need a wizardspike to replace the shield with when you go up against casters (more resists/mana for whirl). Armor should be something defensive for melee, enigma for casters.

DC or BotD make fine pvp weapons both, and I've heard good things weight on each side. I myself just use BotD, as I like the stats better, but if you had a powerful cleaver, you could definately run with it.

-Hal

[rikstaker]

yep,but if you use swords,you dont get asked,"hey where is your weapon ?"(eth zerks).I really can't figure out how zerk axes are rated range 3?They are half the length of legendary mallet(range 1)!!!!

use swords if you are fashion concious like me or axes if you are a tweak freak.

[Omikron8]

Yes those gigantic blades have the same range as those tiny zerker axes (3). If you are poor enough that you only have on choice use the zerker for sure.

[rdjw]

Does anyone trade their botd zerkers 4 CB? i got an eth botd CB and id like to trade it in for a eth botd zerker now, lol

[acceleration turkey]

yep,but if you use swords,you dont get asked,"hey where is your weapon ?"(eth zerks).I really can't figure out how zerk axes are rated range 3?They are half the length of legendary mallet(range 1)!!!!

use swords if you are fashion concious like me or axes if you are a tweak freak.


legendary mallet is range 2 :cheesy:

as for death cleaver vs botd, a perfect death cleaver (+280%) with 66% deadly strike is equivalent to +466% damage, and so even a perfect +%ed and perfect superior base can only reach +415% damage. so, at the top end, an extra +50% damage is possible with death cleaver. however, the stat bonus on botd gives 120 life to a barb, and the dex/strength bonus also increase fighting ability by a little. both weapons cut defense, but botd has dual leech. botd also has -requirements and so if you are really tweaking max life it is superior in that department. i think in the end botd is superior, but death cleaver puts up a good match.

[rdjw]

mm thanks but now i needa know about cb trading 4 zerk, lol

[rdjw]

god im so screwed. i just noticed this. i have a 378/15 eth botd cb, but whoever traded to me, ripped me off so bad. the eth colossus blade was persionalized be4 they made it into a botd, so i cant even give it away. which really makes me mad, because it doesnt make the sword any less good, the fallen dont care whos name is on it, just perfectionist traders.....arghhh im screwedddd

[rikstaker]

[QUOTE=acceleration turkey]legendary mallet is range 2 :cheesy:QUOTE]

no it isn't
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/maces.shtml

[Herald of Doom]

[QUOTE=acceleration turkey]legendary mallet is range 2 :cheesy:QUOTE]

no it isn't
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/maces.shtml
Yes it is : http://www.d2data.net

Both the sites have a lot of mistakes, and I can't find the right info.

HoD

[ivan_elverlund]

Hmmm... do all ppl only play PvP ?! IMO a BOTD Great Poleaxe is the best weapon for ww, but off course thats PvM.

[Omikron8]

Hmmm... do all ppl only play PvP ?! IMO a BOTD Great Poleaxe is the best weapon for ww, but off course thats PvM.

Against spellcasters of course a range 5 high damage 2 handed weapon would be nice, as long as you can get the resists elsewhere. Now against physical damage opponents where you have no shield ---> You will die awfully quickly.

[rdjw]

Ah omggg, can anyone help me? As i stated earlier the botd is personalized, and everyone says they dont want it. It doesnt preform any worse......argghhh is there anything i can do? some rune like hel rune take it off? lmao

[kfowler]

Ah omggg, can anyone help me? As i stated earlier the botd is personalized, and everyone says they dont want it. It doesnt preform any worse......argghhh is there anything i can do? some rune like hel rune take it off? lmao

I could care less if an item was personalized if i got it for a good price. I think I have a sig's shield that says something like "Butthole's whatever the shield is called". I thinkyou'll eventually find a buyer.

Note on BOTD vs. eth DC. One problem is the IAS. BOTD is 60% and a Zoded eth BC is only 40%. That means its all the more harder to reach the 9 fps.

I found a bad *** Rare Etin Axe with like 530 max damage. But its base speed is [10] so almost impossible to reach the 9 fps.

[acceleration turkey]

[QUOTE=acceleration turkey]legendary mallet is range 2 :cheesy:QUOTE]

no it isn't
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/maces.shtml



as HoD said, both sites have mistakes.

a good rule of thumb is that d2data.net has better info about base items. arreat summit is host to small errors such as saying the ogre axe is base [10] just because the bardiche and lochaber axe are base [10]. arreat summit fails to distinguish between normal exceptional and elite base items. it treats all base speeds and ranges the same if the weapon is in the same 'family' (war hammer, battle hammer, legendary mallet are one 'family'), when in fact range and base speed are often different, especially at the elite level where many items have higher range (such as all 2 handed elite axes having range 3, or 4 for the glorious axe).

another rule of thumb is that d2data sucks for set bonuses and also runeword info. for some reason they simply leave things out. for instance, their info on call to arms, a famous and hard to mess up item:

+(250-290)% Enhanced Damage
Replenish Life +12
40% Increased Attack Speed
30% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
7% Life Stolen per Hit
Prevent Monster Heal
+1 To All Skill Levels
Adds 5-30 Fire Damage
+(1-4) To Battle Cry

despite the fact that this item is famous for granting battle orders, the stat is missing here. who knows why :cheesy:

also, consider trangs gloves:

Defense: (67-74)
Durability:16
Required Strength:58
Required Level:45
+30 Defense
Cold Resist +30%
20% Faster Cast Rate
+2 To Curses (Necromancer Only)
+25 To Poison Skill Damage(4 items)

this is false...the +25% to poison is not a set bonus, but is available on the gloves by themselves. once again, i dont know how they got it wrong.

so, there are little errors all over both sites. the best way to get info is to download the data files of the game as a text file and view them in excel. thats how i determined that arreat was wrong in its ogre axe base and its legnedary mallet range, among other things. in this file the "rangeadded" box for legendary mallet is 1, which means it has base range +1, which equals 2. a weapon with range 1 has nothing in this box, and a weapon with max range (5) has a 4 in this box. similarly, in the speed box for ogre axe, there is no number. a thunder maul has a 20, and a cryptic sword has a -10. a blank means base [0].

in general when i want to look something up i got to d2data. the layout is superior and the site usually is less clogged. the affix info is also extremely useful and well presented.

one thematic mistake that occurs throughout d2data is its failure to use ethereal damage for the new batch of ethereal/indestructable uniques such as ghostflame or ethereal edge, or wraith flight. all these weapons appear to have low damage because their normal damages are used, rather than the base x 1.5 which shuold be used. combine this with the fact that those ethereal items haev low %damage mods to make up for the strong base, and the items look poor on paper. goto arreats for the correct damages, or calculate the base yourself.

[rdjw]

i ended up having to trade my 378 personalized for a 358 zerker non personalized :(

[acceleration turkey]

i ended up having to trade my 378 personalized for a 358 zerker non personalized :(


ethereal colossus blade 1 handed damage

37.5-97.5
+378% damage =
179-466
322.5 avg

ethereal berserker axe 1 handed damage

36-106.5
+358% damage =
165-487
326.5 avg

your new weapon does more damage, and does not have a name on it, by my calculations. i forget if the game rounds up or down, so i rounded arbitrarily. the berserker axe is a superior base to a cb, so do not fret about +%ed.

[xpumafangx]

yep,but if you use swords,you dont get asked,"hey where is your weapon ?"(eth zerks).I really can't figure out how zerk axes are rated range 3?They are half the length of legendary mallet(range 1)!!!!

Yes I too feel that they need to change the grapix on the berserker axe as well. Maybe to some big long shafted axe with a small single head. All in all looks does not really matter.

Rdjw, Turkeys right about the weapons congrats. Now you need to build your barb I think if you have the expive weapon you could easyly get the rest of the items.

One question about wizspike vs silence in dueling casters. Would a silenced weapon like a phaseblade 200-215% ed, 75% resist all, 20% ias, and plus 2 to all skills. Out way the 75% resist all and more mana for ww of the wizerdspike? If that is true you might want to look in to getting one. Only becuase from the questions you have been posting I think you want to make the best barb you can make.

[Halciet]

Acc: Diablo rounds down all decimals, so those totals would be like, 2 damage lower each on the max end, but otherwise you're right.

Puma: Silence is neat, but I'd still use wizzy; huge resists and a ton of mana to keep you whirling, along with the faster cast for teleport outweight the +2 skills from silence (which would in turn make the whirl cost more). If I used anything besides wizzy, I'd probably go with a HotO instead.

-Hal

[xpumafangx]

I see your point Hal.

[Joe_smith]

Acc: Diablo rounds down all decimals, so those totals would be like, 2 damage lower each on the max end, but otherwise you're right.

Puma: Silence is neat, but I'd still use wizzy; huge resists and a ton of mana to keep you whirling, along with the faster cast for teleport outweight the +2 skills from silence (which would in turn make the whirl cost more). If I used anything besides wizzy, I'd probably go with a HotO instead.

-Hal

hmm actually i seem to find the the damage bonus from dual axes more useful.

[Joe_smith]

Yes I too feel that they need to change the grapix on the berserker axe as well. Maybe to some big long shafted axe with a small single head. All in all looks does not really matter.

Rdjw, Turkeys right about the weapons congrats. Now you need to build your barb I think if you have the expive weapon you could easyly get the rest of the items.

One question about wizspike vs silence in dueling casters. Would a silenced weapon like a phaseblade 200-215% ed, 75% resist all, 20% ias, and plus 2 to all skills. Out way the 75% resist all and more mana for ww of the wizerdspike? If that is true you might want to look in to getting one. Only becuase from the questions you have been posting I think you want to make the best barb you can make.

actually the berzerker axe has a speical design to it. when you swing it really fast it creates a strong air current extending from it which can cut thru things like a steel blade.

[rdjw]

lol wtf u talking about

[Lordjim]

Yes it is fun to kill people with Wind Burn....Its just like crop dusting them!!!

[rdjw]

Yes it is fun to kill people with Wind Burn....Its just like crop dusting them!!!
lmao wtf, u guys need to stop smoking

[xpumafangx]

Owning them with windburn the new twist on the berserker axe using barbarian.