Fighting teleporting WW barbs?

[WuffWhacker]

I've been seening a certain goob running amok which has led me to think about how one would go about fighting a barbarian with high/max resists, a crazy whirlwind, and the ever-present Enigma for the topping.

A few problems must be solved:

1. Survive at least one whirlwind
2. Manage to attack back (and hit)
3. Win (at least some of the time)

How does the paladin's Thorns aura work vs. whirlwind? If the paladin takes a hit and lives, will Thorns return 800%+ received damage back (depending on slvl) immediately, or is the returned damage subject to the PvP penalties all over again?
Wouldn't Smite be the skill to use alongside Thorns in a case like this? Assuming the pally lives through the whirlwind and returns damage, the ITD would prove helpful vs the barb's assumed high defense.

Or, if the whole thing sucks, what sort of character would be decently suited for taking down a barb? O.o

[fugitive alien2]

thorns is nerfed too much by pvp. best choice is a hammerdin with some points in holy shield.

[Rauth]

Thorns is pretty useless. Best bet is a hammerdin or summoner necro with teleport using iron maiden. Barb can't leech off the skellies and he will take a ton of damage if he wws them. If you're rich you can always make a smiter. They do very well vs babas. Other classes can be effective but they don't win anywhere near as easily as these ones.

[Phyrexial]

I use a tele bone necro with maxed block, haven't met any barbs of any kind (including tele WWers) that can beat me consistently.

[AndyChrono]

I've been seening a certain goob running amok which has led me to think about how one would go about fighting a barbarian with high/max resists, a crazy whirlwind, and the ever-present Enigma for the topping.

A few problems must be solved:

1. Survive at least one whirlwind
2. Manage to attack back (and hit)
3. Win (at least some of the time)

How does the paladin's Thorns aura work vs. whirlwind? If the paladin takes a hit and lives, will Thorns return 800%+ received damage back (depending on slvl) immediately, or is the returned damage subject to the PvP penalties all over again?
Wouldn't Smite be the skill to use alongside Thorns in a case like this? Assuming the pally lives through the whirlwind and returns damage, the ITD would prove helpful vs the barb's assumed high defense.

Or, if the whole thing sucks, what sort of character would be decently suited for taking down a barb? O.o

If you are on West... the barb's name wouldn't happen to be Mugaf would it?

If it is, don't even bother. The guy has ridiculous hacks and pots like mad.

[WuffWhacker]

No comment on who the goob might be... ;)
I've been puttering around with the idea of a hammerdin (yick) for a while now anyway...

Thanks much for the info and insight. :)

[Metroid_01]

i personally like the bonemancer, if you just make sure he has crazy bone armor absorb, and good dr somewhere a baba will have issues killing him with a single ww like that. the strategy i would use is every time they tele, u tele and fire a couple teeth/spear shots. get them down somewhat and your finisher involves you letting that barb ww straight through you, and pump him full of your best attack. i do it all the time with my (fire) sorc, though its not nearly as effective because she doesnt have the nice bone armor to save her.

[Deceit]

I use a tele bone necro with maxed block, haven't met any barbs of any kind (including tele WWers) that can beat me consistently.
Then you havent met xe's I think. Its one of the barbs on @Uswest one of the top 10 I'm pretty sure. I'm quite skilled with teleporting, and lets just say I can square off with him, and he is one evil dude to duel with. He teleports as if he has 150% cast, and does a serious 5k per hand dmg.

[Netherwolf]

Like the other people said, use a boner. If a barb kills mine more than one in ten I start wondering what I am doing wrong...

Just remember some basic things with him. Try to keep up a golem at all times, as it takes at least one hit, saving you some damage. Keep bone armor up at all times. Use walk instead of run to keep max block. If you are cheesy, use decrep (or IM if they do real high damage) to keep em from becoming a real threat. If he does insane damage, cast a (not more than one or you are REAL cheesy) bonewall and stand next to it, saves another hit. Use spear when he is closing in, teeth when he is running and dodging, and use spirit when he is about to ww you. Then as soon as his ww is past you, switch back to spear again. If he ww's right through you all your spears hit automatically. If he knows what he is doing he will use a diagonal ww, forcing you to aim (practicing on this vs a friendly barb will help tremendously).

Most of these tactics only work if you play defensively. If you are more like the guns ablazing jump in or go down with a bang type, then at least make sure you know your tele grid better than he does his ;)

[Phyrexial]

Then you havent met xe's I think. Its one of the barbs on @Uswest one of the top 10 I'm pretty sure. I'm quite skilled with teleporting, and lets just say I can square off with him, and he is one evil dude to duel with. He teleports as if he has 150% cast, and does a serious 5k per hand dmg.
I play on US East Ladder with a mediocre level bone necro and I've had no problems at all with WW barbs. If I had something like Gideon's necro it would absolutely be no contest. If someone has a decent block tele necro on West they'd lend out to me for an hour, I'd gladly duel this barb.

In the meantime, I'd ask that another necro dueler on West duel this barb and give a report if they could.

One minor comment. Why do you say "as if he has 150% cast"? If the breakpoints are the same as sorcs then shouldn't it be 110% or 200%? 150 or 120 fcr should make no difference.

[Monger]

Telearbs can be tough, but a necro with minions and Iron Maiden can ruin them. Most of them will use slow missle too, so I like to shoot teeth and spear all over. If they use potions and slow missle then maiden might be necessary.

Hammerdins rock them if they don't stand still and try to tank whirlwinds.

[Hungry Ghost]

I dont know why, but my roomie has a FOH Paly who just dominates all WW Barbs, tele or not. He is 87 I believe, and will just stand in the WW without even moving. Its quite humorous actually. But he does also have around +26 to skills with all his hear and charms, so maybe that does a lot of it, with the points going into Holy Shield and all...

[Phyrexial]

Telearbs can be tough, but a necro with minions and Iron Maiden can ruin them. Most of them will use slow missle too, so I like to shoot teeth and spear all over. If they use potions and slow missle then maiden might be necessary.

Hammerdins rock them if they don't stand still and try to tank whirlwinds.
Slow Missile is one thing (I find it cheap, but I'm an Enigma necro so I guess I shouldn't be complaining) and if he wants to play that game I can run him out of charges or just play long range combat. At best the barb will be teleing at the same speed as the necro without sacrificing too much efficiency and as such the necro can stay off the screen at all times if they wish and just let ibs do them in sooner or later.

Health pots is entirely different. If he wants to play that, get some pots yourself and Revives.

[Phyrexial]

I dont know why, but my roomie has a FOH Paly who just dominates all WW Barbs, tele or not. He is 87 I believe, and will just stand in the WW without even moving. Its quite humorous actually. But he does also have around +26 to skills with all his hear and charms, so maybe that does a lot of it, with the points going into Holy Shield and all...
He's facing weak barbs that are ill prepared without a doubt. If they aren't hitting due to insufficient AR then they are horribly weak barbs. Also, simply slapping on a 4 ptopaz shield will shut down FoH instantly, tgods if you're feeling cheesy.

[ReVolution]

Then you havent met xe's I think. Its one of the barbs on @Uswest one of the top 10 I'm pretty sure. I'm quite skilled with teleporting, and lets just say I can square off with him, and he is one evil dude to duel with. He teleports as if he has 150% cast, and does a serious 5k per hand dmg.

:O

Anyone who wants to duel me, msg *XE-Revolution..I'm always up for duels.

[BadLikeMe]

*slain.by.me

[Joe_smith]

*slain.by.me

? huh? u mean u beat revolution or what?

[dumbpig]

BABRS R BSET!!1!!1

DOUL FIGHT ROAR !!

BABR KIlL ALL!!1!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!00

HOOO CAN FIG NT!

*blobs for SUPRA FIHGTING KOREA PKPK LOVE@!

gg bone necros :lol:

ill be back in a few weeks to collect all you arrogant necro/hammerdin butt-cracks

[Joe_smith]

BABRS R BSET!!1!!1

DOUL FIGHT ROAR !!

BABR KIlL ALL!!1!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!00

HOOO CAN FIG NT!

*blobs for SUPRA FIHGTING KOREA PKPK LOVE@!

gg bone necros :lol:

ill be back in a few weeks to collect all you arrogant necro/hammerdin butt-cracks

i never seen you on anymore.

[fugitive alien2]

ill be back in a few weeks to collect all you arrogant necro/hammerdin butt-cracks


ill be keepin my butt-crack ty :wave:

[Joe_smith]

ill be keepin my butt-crack ty :wave:

he already said he couldn't beat you but there aren't a lot of hammerdins like you.

[fugitive alien2]

btw blobs that pally you got temp-banned with came back, immediately flamed garbad and got perm-banned. please don't do that since you are fun poster ^^

[Joe_smith]

btw blobs that pally you got temp-banned with came back, immediately flamed garbad and got perm-banned. please don't do that since you are fun poster ^^

lol. ya where u think i learn my 1337nese from. "ownzored", "pawnzawned". and if he wants to flame garbad he'll do it in game instead of here.

[dumbpig]

hehe

im on vacation for a few weeks on a 28k laptop :grrr:

hopefully, ladder will be reset when i come back, widow makers will come out, and ill have the butt-cracks of desync pallies too

maybe :scratch:

jk

but no, to the rest of you, teleporting bone necros and hammerdins are not the answer to beating tele barbs, especially not reasonably good ones.

[Joe_smith]

hehe

im on vacation for a few weeks on a 28k laptop :grrr:

hopefully, ladder will be reset when i come back, widow makers will come out, and ill have the butt-cracks of desync pallies too

maybe :scratch:

jk

but no, to the rest of you, teleporting bone necros and hammerdins are not the answer to beating tele barbs, especially not reasonably good ones.

i guess i'm not even reasonabley good then i can beat necros now but i still can't beat good hammerdins consistently. it takes them 3 hits to kill me while it takes me like 10 wws to even land a hit sometimes. and i mess up a lot with barb (not skilled enough) + some lag and lack of patience i usually get screwed by good ones.

[dkay]

mugaf hacks? i see him around way too much -.-
darnt it.. i even complimented his barb ><

[Garbad_the_Weak]

BABRS R BSET!!1!!1

DOUL FIGHT ROAR !!

BABR KIlL ALL!!1!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!00

HOOO CAN FIG NT!

*blobs for SUPRA FIHGTING KOREA PKPK LOVE@!

gg bone necros :lol:

ill be back in a few weeks to collect all you arrogant necro/hammerdin butt-cracks

O_O

I told you no pwn crap, even joking it gets taken the wrong way. 3 day ban.

Garbad

[BadLikeMe]

Originally posted by Me
*slain.by.me.
Originally posted by Joe_smith
? huh? u mean u beat revolution or what?No, i mean i wanna find out how well I do against him, it's a challenge.

He'll probably beat me for sure but i still wanna see if i can do any damage or at least learn how to make my barb that much better.

[Joe_smith]

O_O

I told you no pwn crap, even joking it gets taken the wrong way. 3 day ban.

Garbad

kinda pointless since he already said that he was gonna be on vacation for a few weeks lol.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

My goal is not to make blobs suffer but rather to show people what is acceptable (or not). Call it deterrance/education.

Garbad

[Joe_smith]

My goal is not to make blobs suffer but rather to show people what is acceptable (or not). Call it deterrance/education.

Garbad

lol nice excuse for not reading the last part of hist post.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Think what you want.

My goal isn't to ban anyone or punish them in any way (you can ask anyone and see I am a big advocate of leniecy and free speech, etc), simply to get people to stick the the minimum standards. In fact, quite the opposite. I would rather have a repentant sinner posting than 10 self righteous sheep. Difference of opinion is good, just keep it within the rules.

The mods of this forum have consistently stated we will not allow abuse, flaming, etc. I also won't allow excessive 1337ness or angry challenges, wild accusations, etc that sometimes go on around here.

My temp ban of blobs is to show that I won't but up with that kind of comment, even in joking. Whether it actually deprives him of the joy of posting here or anything is incidental.

Now everyone knows a little more clearly what is acceptable under the iron fisted rule of the goatman :D

Garbad

[BadLikeMe]

I don't get it, so what exactly did he say? maybe i didn't read properly and missed it..

[Dimoak]

If you are on West... the barb's name wouldn't happen to be Mugaf would it?

If it is, don't even bother. The guy has ridiculous hacks and pots like mad.
I don't think Mugaf hacks, but I know he pots. He killed me once in a pub when I tested tanking, then I dueled him again paying attention and he used about 4-5 full rejuvs. (no I didn't have bear out-_-) He proceeded to say 'I have your ear noob' and tell me how owned I was, then refuse to duel anymore.

[AndyChrono]

I don't think Mugaf hacks, but I know he pots. He killed me once in a pub when I tested tanking, then I dueled him again paying attention and he used about 4-5 full rejuvs. (no I didn't have bear out-_-) He proceeded to say 'I have your ear noob' and tell me how owned I was, then refuse to duel anymore.

He does hack, but only in cases where people are able to kill him initially or he finds himself unable to get your ear. I've seen him do two things that make it pretty obvious.

1. Since I play sorc and he slaps on the absorb, I do my best to avoid him. However, after he gets annoyed and types his characteristic "RUN SORC", he turns on autoaim/scroll hack which allows him to instantly cover the ground that normally takes me 5-6 teleports. The first few times I thought it was lag, but when it starts happening on a consistent basis, every time I see him in a pubby, and to other people in the game as well, its pretty obvious he hacks.

2. His WW does ridiculous damage. I use a 95% ES sorc with max block, and I can survive 5-6 WW's from an Eth' BOTD Ghost Spear barb on a consistant basis, yet I can only take 2 WW's at most from him when he's using a 1 handed WW. He doesn't use massive poison, since my life drains very slowly, and open wounds takes time to work so I would notice that. Crushing blow suffers from penalty in PvP so unless he could hit me 10+ times with 1 WW (which isn't possible), there's no way I'd lose that much life from a 1-handed WW. My friend duels with me sometimes and he uses a pure smiter with around 60k defense. Even he notices that Mugaf hits him on average about 3-4 times each WW. Even if ur attack was ITD, there's almost no chance a 1-H WW could hit this many times through 75% block on a consistant basis. Add on 60k defense.... it means he either has around 1 million + AR (literally) or he has some kind of hack that when he clicks 1 WW, he actually does about 5 of them. Seeing as how 1 million + AR is impossible, I can only conclude that he is hacking.

If you don't believe me, gimme your account and I'll message you next time I see him in a game and you can come watch yourself. Due to my elusiveness, he's learned to turn his hacks on the instant he sees me in the game =D. If not, I could probably insult him enough to make him turn them on.

Alternatively, you can ask some duelers on West like SE clan members on whether my claims about Mugaf are true =D.

[Winger]

A top dueler uses h4x? OMG nevar

[ReVolution]

*words*

Friggin guy, got yourself banned so i cant reply to your pm, lol.

[Rauth]

I don't think Mugaf hacks, but I know he pots. He killed me once in a pub when I tested tanking, then I dueled him again paying attention and he used about 4-5 full rejuvs. (no I didn't have bear out-_-) He proceeded to say 'I have your ear noob' and tell me how owned I was, then refuse to duel anymore.

That guy is just plain awsome. He likes to use a life tap wand vs my windy. First time I met him I beat him 1 of 1 duels then he left. A couple days later he comes into a game I'm dueling in and hosts. He procedes to life tap me and then I get him down to almost nothing and he magically has full life again. I figured full rejuvs so I just kept dueling him so he would run out. Finally right as he had about 400 life left and showed no signs of healing he said something like "Pwned noob" and left. Any guesses why he left? My best bet is he ran outa juvs since he had used about 12 of them. I don't think he goes to duel games without full rejuvs in his belt. Once they are out, he just leaves or stands in town yelling noob etc.

Btw, all these duels were with me lifetaped. It didn't seem to help him much though. You would think, with life tap, he wouldn't need juvs. Its ok, I'm making a cheap summon necro to deal with annoying nk barbs. Iron maiden+ww+skellys= gg rejuv that *****

I really don't think he hacks that bad. He probably uses the autoaim/scroll one that every jerk and his dog has, but I doubt someone like him would take the effort to actually hack the game himself. His ww didn't seem any more dmging to me than any other babas. I haven't seen him in a few weeks though so he might have changed, I dunno.

A good barb won't need hacks or bm to win. They are right up there with bone nec, hammerdin, windy in overall dueling effectiveness.

[Joe_smith]

i'm not surprised to hear the things he does and say. i mean auto aim hackers have an average IQ of 10 with 100 being the average IQ of a house rat can't blame em.

[Xombie]

In the meantime, I'd ask that another necro dueler on West duel this barb and give a report if they could.

Yeah, he's pro baba :thanks:

Something he kills me, sometimes i kill him. But then again, i suck :evil:

EDIT: Whoa.. the lettering in my avatar looks HORRIBLE. :cheesy:

[Buliarios]

I've been accused of using auto aim before, because I teled on top of a sorc ww'ed and killed her.

Just cause someone does something means they hack, but I'm not saying he doesn't. I'll have to duel him to check wat all the fuss is about.

[Watzit2ya]

Heh, i remember that guy in a pubby duel. He used 9 LT charges on me after our 1v1 was said and done. I finished with 1/2 hp he died. He used about 2 Rejuv's too.

Hes the worst barb ive ever 1v1'd his equip is a joke, his WW's are too long and 50% of the time he clicked on me to WW. Then he spammed the screen with " i own you racial slur " And he didnt type out Racial slur... Then he left.

[BadLikeMe]

hm.. filling the screen with "I PWNZ U NOOBZOOR!!111" then leaving? i think i've met him a few too many times? can he possibly control 3+ characters in a single game? is he that pro at d2? he must hack!

[Watzit2ya]

You know what drives them up the wall, Body gaurd them and keep spamming I OWN YOU every time you kill them. Everyone else in the game will be rolling, and he will be getting so p/o'd

[finfunnels]

theres a good way to go against a hammerdin with a barb. (you don't even need an enigma)
just keep running downwards, and ww downwards when u see pally teles. make sure u have good psn/ow keep him drainning and switch to some charge weapons to finish them off. I know its kinda cheap but so is hammers:)

[darius_paul]

theres a good way to go against a hammerdin with a barb. (you don't even need an enigma)
just keep running downwards, and ww downwards when u see pally teles. make sure u have good psn/ow keep him drainning and switch to some charge weapons to finish them off. I know its kinda cheap but so is hammers:)

This does work too. I do it all the time when I duel a hammerdin. Each of us win about an equal number of times, depending on the hammerdins build.