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Repsaj

19-06-2004, 18:22

Ok here is my problem. I've already made a nice necro (sort of skellimancer: max skel/mastery/mages ), but i noticed the mages aren't very useful. They die faster than the rest and i feel they don't do that much damage. Now I started another necro and I know i want to max skell warriors and mastery but i dont want the mages. What do i do with the left over points?

P.S. I don't want to use poison, because of the many imunes.

Mad Mantis

19-06-2004, 19:28

Summon/Bone Hybrid. We have guides stickied IIRC.

spartacvs

19-06-2004, 20:35

TheKbob

19-06-2004, 21:57

Follow the guide:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/guillaumep/necro.txt
Feel free to ask questions.

Nightfish beat you too it.

Fishymancer Skele guide (http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=509)

~Kbob

Dracoy

19-06-2004, 22:03

http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=174269&page=2&pp=25

Bone/Summon

spartacvs

19-06-2004, 22:37

Nightfish beat you too it.

Fishymancer Skele guide (http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=509)

~Kbob

My built is different. And I prefer mine.

Repsaj

19-06-2004, 22:54

My built is different. And I prefer mine.
We all have our preferences.

Thanks for all your input will try some :)

gvandale

21-06-2004, 17:14

it's been said time and time again...

your 'build' is nothing more then a variant on the tried and true fishymancer. get over it.

g

spartacvs

21-06-2004, 17:45

it's been said time and time again...

your 'build' is nothing more then a variant on the tried and true fishymancer. get over it.

g

That's your opinion. And you are the only one who respect it.

TheKbob

21-06-2004, 18:00

I respect his and I don't see your guide stickied nor in the strat compendium.

Nightfishes is.

So is my guide as well.

Dracoy's, I know is stickied, but strat compend yet?

~Kbob

spartacvs

21-06-2004, 18:14

I respect his and I don't see your guide stickied nor in the strat compendium.

Nightfishes is.

So is my guide as well.

Dracoy's, I know is stickied, but strat compend yet?

~Kbob

Yeah Adoph Hitler too have soem fellows. So is gvandale. My bad.

spartacvs

21-06-2004, 18:15

I respect his and I don't see your guide stickied nor in the strat compendium.

Nightfishes is.

So is my guide as well.

Dracoy's, I know is stickied, but strat compend yet?

~Kbob

Yeah Adolf Hitler too had a fan club. So is gvandale. My bad.

TheKbob

21-06-2004, 18:34

Good job for doubling down a post that makes no sense...

~Kbob

spartacvs

21-06-2004, 18:39

Good job for doubling down a post that makes no sense...

~Kbob

Is that your best shot?

gvandale

21-06-2004, 18:49

Is that your best shot?
*edit by gvandale* I KNOW THAT WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ME BANNED FOR LIFE
g

Nukeman8

21-06-2004, 19:10

it's been said time and time again...

your 'build' is nothing more then a variant on the tried and true fishymancer. get over it.

g

The true "fishymancer" is nothing more than a variant of a pure summoner.
Im not trying to start something but i think your laying into him a bit hard. All he said was that he prefers his build which is fair enough, everyone prefers their own build coz its theirs.

HarbingersOfSkulls

21-06-2004, 19:19

The main difference between the 2 guides That I saw was Spart maxxed DV...when NightFish went with 1 like most people do.

Also...he also used only 1 in Revives...while NightFish went with 6.

Though...there are some things different in Spart's guide...it is based around the basic skills of NightFish's guide...and he just added a twist to it.

It should be about what works for a person anyway...and fun like Patsy says.

But most vets/senior citizens here on the deadman's forum will (and do) defend a guide stickied (and has been copied many time over). And when someone changes 1 skill point for it...they try to take credit for it.

If your looking for a War of The Words...gvandale is not the 1 to start it with...time has proven that.

But...if you feel the need to...have fun with gvandale.

HoS

Nukeman8

21-06-2004, 19:25

But most vets/senior citizens here on the deadman's forum will (and do) defend a guide stickied (and has been copied many time over). And when someone changes 1 skill point for it...they try to take credit for it.

HoS

Heh yea but sometimes the vets defend the stickies a tad to hard.

gvandale

21-06-2004, 19:29

The true "fishymancer" is nothing more than a variant of a pure summoner.
Im not trying to start something but i think your laying into him a bit hard. All he said was that he prefers his build which is fair enough, everyone prefers their own build coz its theirs.

NightFish was the first to popularize this build on the forums here. End of story. There are many resources that have been stickied for many reasons.

Also, preferring your own build over someone else's is fine, but recommending it in almost every post is crazyness.

when you post something like this:
Follow the guide:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/guillaumep/necro.txt
Feel free to ask questions.

I get the impression that mr. spartacvs is too good to actually type out what he would suggest. Instead, lets just copy / paste my link like it's the end all be all.

I don't want to turn this good thread to pointless flames.

g

gvandale

21-06-2004, 19:33

Heh yea but sometimes the vets defend the stickies a tad to hard.
We defend them as vehemently as we do because 'we' feel they are stickied for a reason. This is the way these forums should work in the ideal situation:

1. noob1908 signs up on diabloii.net forums
2. noob1908 is curious about the necromancer class, and types of builds
3. noob1908 comes to forum, and reads guides / stickies and misc threads. he/she then makes a decision as to what kind of build he/she is interested in making.
4. noob1908 does a couple 'searches' on the necro forum to see if his questions have been asked before, and if they have been, then what kind of answers were given.
5. noob1908 has a complete picture of what he wants, but has 1 last question in regards to his build, so he posts his question.

See how easy that is?

g

Nukeman8

21-06-2004, 19:35

I don't want to turn this good thread to pointless flames.

g

Fair enough

spartacvs

21-06-2004, 19:55

I don't want to turn this good thread to pointless flames.

g

No really?
So you spit on peoples (for the 500th time) because your opinion is soooooo superior.
You write two pages of stupid replies calling peoples noob for some reasons.
That's very typical of you. Pointless comments and then try to convince peoples it wasn't a flame, you are trying to help. lol pathetetic.

I never wrote my guide based on NightFish guide. Everybody know the basic of a skellimancer. Yes I do posting the same things again and again but if I want to answer to peoples who keep asking the same questions, it's my buisness. In my guide I invite peoples to have a look at others peoples guides. So I think I know much more the basic of a forum community. That is someting you know nothing despite the fact that you claim you're here longer than me. Some peoples never learn.

gvandale

21-06-2004, 20:06

Ok, so lets get these situated and answered 1 by 1.

1. I've been a active member of the diabloii.net community for years. As in, I've been through a few forum wipes causing re-registration. Like the one in June 2003. (notice how Dracoy / Kbob / Mad Mantis / and I are all registered since June 2003?)

2. I'm not accusing you of plaguerizing (sp) but I am saying that your build is a variant on Nightfish's guide. You should really throw out thanks where / when necessary.

3. "Follow the guide, feel free to ask questions." That's unreal. If your guide is all that, point them to where it can be found in the stickied thread, or the strat compendium...

*edit* Spartacvs' guide is neither in the strat compendium or the stickied thread...my bad.

4. I didn't understand the rest of your post.

g

Nukeman8

21-06-2004, 20:08

We defend them as vehemently as we do because 'we' feel they are stickied for a reason. This is the way these forums should work in the ideal situation:

1. noob1908 signs up on diabloii.net forums
2. noob1908 is curious about the necromancer class, and types of builds
3. noob1908 comes to forum, and reads guides / stickies and misc threads. he/she then makes a decision as to what kind of build he/she is interested in making.
4. noob1908 does a couple 'searches' on the necro forum to see if his questions have been asked before, and if they have been, then what kind of answers were given.
5. noob1908 has a complete picture of what he wants, but has 1 last question in regards to his build, so he posts his question.

See how easy that is?

g

damn you type quick, my last post was in response to your post before :P
and yea im starting to agree with you. Looking through the recent posts and spartacvs your just posting ya guide all over the place, your not actually helping the person just trying to get your guide attention.

spartacvs

21-06-2004, 20:34

damn you type quick, my last post was in response to your post before :P
and yea im starting to agree with you. Looking through the recent posts and spartacvs your just posting ya guide all over the place, your not actually helping the person just trying to get your guide attention.

That's not true. Sure I 'm making publicity to my guide but I don't see what I should say more. I mean I consider my guide to contain all the needed information. Sure it's not perfect but that's why I invite peoples to feel free to ask questions. And I update my guide when I see something is missing.

The problem with experienced peoples is that they don't understand that new players of a character are somewhat lost because there is so much to know (skills, stats, equipment, gameplay strategy, what built is best untwiked, what built if you can afford...). This is why my mini-guide is straight forward. I tell peoples exactly what to do based on my experience. Because when the skill points are allowed, it's too late, there's no reset.

The reasons I don't sticky my mini-guide it is because, untill recently it was, IMO, not complete or at least I wanted to make sure it was. Furthermore, as everybody said, there is already a skellimancer guide. So I never feel it was necessary to sticky mine. I still prefer my skill points allocation. It's not much different from Nightfish built but that is a matter of preference. I still feel it's not worth to sticky my mini-guide but I could be wrong.

Patsy

21-06-2004, 20:36

Fellow Necromancers,

I'm going to side with The Big G on this one because, yes, he *HAS* been around for a tad few years, ayupper-duppers, and the plan that he has outlined for necomers to *any* format is one that I've followed for years, hence the reason why I only 'lurked' for the first few months of coming here; I was learning the ropes and formats.

Now, Sparty, I hope that you wouldn't take having your Fishymancer variant being called a 'variant' too personally, I mean, heckles, I've created all sorts of whacked-out builds, and none of them are stickied! Eh, so what? Big deal! Doesn't bother me at all.

But what I *DO* take umbrage upon is one of your earlier comments to him.. and for the sake of argument, I let this thread, stillborn as it may be, pass on.

-Patsy
"Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving N***s or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the N***s has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful."

Nukeman8

21-06-2004, 20:41

That's not true. Sure I 'm making publicity to my guide but I don't see what I should say more. I mean I consider my guide to contain all the needed information. Sure it's not perfect but that's why I invite peoples to feel free to ask questions. And I update my guide when I see something is missing.

The problem with experienced peoples is that they don't understand that new players of a character are somewhat lost because there is so much to know (skills, stats, equipment, gameplay strategy, what built is best untwiked, what built if you can afford...). This is why my mini-guide is straight forward. I tell peoples exactly what to do based on my experience. Because when the skill points are allowed, it's too late, there's no reset.

The reasons I don't sticky my mini-guide it is because, untill recently it was, IMO, not complete or at least I wanted to make sure it was. Furthermore, as everybody said, there is already a skellimancer guide. So I never feel it was necessary to sticky mine. I still prefer my skill points allocation. It's not much different from Nightfish built but that is a matter of preference. I still feel it's not worth to sticky my mini-guide but I could be wrong.

Fair enough but you are posting your guide in threads that dont ask for a guide but want help with their build.
I think this has gone a little off topic to say the least :P

spartacvs

21-06-2004, 21:14

Fellow Necromancers,

I'm going to side with The Big G on this one because, yes, he *HAS* been around for a tad few years, ayupper-duppers, and the plan that he has outlined for necomers to *any* format is one that I've followed for years, hence the reason why I only 'lurked' for the first few months of coming here; I was learning the ropes and formats.

Well, problem is he seems to think that because he has been here longer than me he have some kind of rights over others peoples. His main problem is not what he say but the way he say it. This have been mentionned many times before in others threads.

Now, Sparty, I hope that you wouldn't take having your Fishymancer variant being called a 'variant' too personally, I mean, heckles, I've created all sorts of whacked-out builds, and none of them are stickied! Eh, so what? Big deal! Doesn't bother me at all.
As I said, I don't feel my mini-guide is worth being stickied. Especially with Fishymancer guide being officialy stickied. I just don't appreciate when peoples say "Nightfish beat you too it" and "it's been said time and time again... your 'build' is nothing more then a variant on the tried and true fishymancer. get over it.." AT this point it wasn't a question of guide but a question of respect.

But what I *DO* take umbrage upon is one of your earlier comments to him.. and for the sake of argument, I let this thread, stillborn as it may be, pass on.

-Patsy

Since I'm in this forum, there is only one person I came to a sort of verbal conflict with and it's...gvandale. And I know I'm not the only one. I know he is a vet but when you set the level of a conversation, you should expect the other to reply at the same level.

Necrochild313

21-06-2004, 21:28

:scratch:

I think closing this thread at this point may be wise

gvandale

21-06-2004, 21:28

spartacvs

21-06-2004, 21:50

Sparty,
I could care less who's been here longer then whom. Those types of arguments mean nothing. A lot of times, someone who has post count '0' may be really smart, but just new to the forums here. Post count means nothing. I was simply replying to one of your comments based on who was here longer. Get over it.
Then why do you write things like: "I've been a active member of the diabloii.net community for years...."? Anyway, that is not important at all so I suggest we drop it on this one. You have make your point and I take your words.

Please don't let your ego/pride get in the way here. I've said time and time again, that you continually post a link to your guide, without actually answering the posters questions. That's how this place works. They ask a question, you answer it directly and provide appropriate links where/when applicable.
Was that a order or a suggestion? I suppose it was a suggeston and, therefore, I don't take all your suggestions, nothing personal.

Peoples are posting questions about what should they do. I link them to my mini-guide and, into it, I invite peoples to read others peoples guides. If they still have questions at that point, they can ask. I don't see what is the problem?

Nukeman8

21-06-2004, 23:16

Peoples are posting questions about what should they do. I link them to my mini-guide and, into it, I invite peoples to read others peoples guides. If they still have questions at that point, they can ask. I don't see what is the problem?[/QUOTE]

People post questions like "how do i build a overlord" and you post your guide which isnt an overload, how does that help that person? It doesnt.
gvandale and others try to make the board work in a certain way so people with questions get the questions answered quickly.

Dark Knight

21-06-2004, 23:32

:scratch:

I think closing this thread at this point may be wiseIndeed.

This is what I get for assuming people can be trusted to hold a simple conversation on the Skellimancer.

I cant really be bothered with this crap but I suppose I better read through again carefully and see what went wrong...

In Spartacus' defense:

I can see how this would have been irritating "Nightfish beat you too it."

I'm a personal fan of powerful overlord type builds since well before Nightfishes (very good) guide came along, and no doubt some of my builds were near identical to his, but without me even knowing it - so I wouldn't call them fishymancers.

However Mr Nightfish has put the guide onto paper, and in a professional manner, and so I suppose it is fair enough he gets credit. This does not mean that all other summoner builds should credit him however...

"That's your opinion. And you are the only one who respect it." is where the thread takes a turn for the worse, however, with a direct flame. From there on the thread becomes worthless...... Our good friend Adolph Hitler was also mentioned I see. :rolleyes:

Here is what is going to happen:

1) Spartacvs - do not flame again in this forum. If you have a problem report the post, but just dont respond. Flaming often instantly puts you in the wrong, and can even earn you a ban.

2) Other people - Reccommending a build is fine; noting the differences in focus between builds is fine. Saying "gtfo someone else did it first" is not fine. If you have to highlight things between the two guides then you must try to do so constructively and without managing to flame the other guys guide. Basically - do not incite people to flame.

3) I am going to be looking through nightfishes guide and Spartacvs' to see if our visitors benefit from being linked to <similar guide> over <similar stickied guide>. I would not normally do this, but this particular thing seems to be a semi-reccurring incident, and given the debacle in this thread I feel I have no choice. Please keep an eye on your Private Messages for one from me shortly Spartacvs, on this topic.

Lastly - guides usually get added to the sticky / etc after people ask for it to be so - I'm not psychic.