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NightyNight
14-06-2004, 01:50
Hey :)

My TS+Dtail assa build is currently at lvl 70, I've already maxed Tiger strike, Max Dragon tail, maxed Phoenix strike, i've put 1 on all the rest of the skills but fade (which i greatly doubt if ill use with this build) and venom, and of course none in traps.
Now, I think I've got like 17 skill points remaining (not to lvl 99, but to lvl 83-85), ill put another 2 into shadow master to get it lvl 17 (all items), then, I was thinking, if should i start pumping one of PS's synergies for some dmg or put 1 point in DS and all it's synergies.
Now, I've got a decent +to all skills (11 to MA, 10 to shadow, 9 to Traps), and from experience i know that if ill max Claws of thunder it'll give me only +800 dmg on my PS lightning, which is nothing in Hell, if ill max Claws of ice ill get like +200 dmg each bolt, dosent really matter in Hell too, btw the freeze time remains the same anyway (btw Pstrike has a huge freeze duration in hell :), so i though that ill put 1 point in DS, go into a crowd, cast Cloak of shadows, throw my master in (which is already casted and buffed of course...),cast some mind blast, meanwhile kill 2-3 enemies with melee, throw in a couple of DS traps and boom they're all dead, how's that? wont it be better than adding several hundreds dmg to PS?

Heh, that sounded complicated but it actually takes only a few seconds, now that I think about it, a sorc would just spam orbs into the crowd and kill all...but hell, that's boring, and not challenging, and we assas love challenge (otherwise we wouldent pick assas).

Uhm, my kick dmg without charges is 2200-3800, and 22k-34k with 3 charges of tiger strike, obviously (upgraded gores:), yeah, it may sound way overbalanced, but I think its definetly not, otherwise i would've been killing everything easily on hell, and so far it's not that easy. There's an AR problem...my AR is 6k, 8k when charged, and I miss ALOT, but ill guess when ill get to higher lvles it'll be ok (jrichard posted a message saying it depends on Clvl\mlvl ratio...I need to be same or higher lvl than monster to hit alot...) so i guess it'll get better later on.

Oh well, wish me luck, and thanks for those who will help.

Nighty night [It's 2 AM here in Israel...and it's a school night X_X] :)

NightyNight
14-06-2004, 02:01
It's me again X_X

Here's my gear list, mention any changes if you think they are needed.

Helm: Shako with Um (I got andariels visage, but i just cant suffer the loss of 120 HP and mana, and the PDR)
Armor: Smoke, getting Lionheart soon (Fal plz anyone ^^)
Gloves: Immortal king (20 STR, 20 DEX)
Belt: Immortal king (got Verdungo's, though I prefer IK for the partial set bonus, from gloves and belt i get 25 IAS, +200 Def, 500+ AR...)
Boots: Upgraded gores.
Ring1: Raven frost
Ring2: Dwarf star (considering to replace with another raven frost for AR...dunno, I kinda need a ring lol).
Amu: A rare +2 to assa skills, +15 to all resists and some toppings on that.

In your opinions, are there any changes needed? thx and good night again :)

xanth
14-06-2004, 04:09
nice, you seem pretty well off. If i were you, i would max Claw mastery to add just a bit of dmg each time you attack while you're charging ts...or maybe max venom to add a little more dmg. If you max ps and cot, it makes for a great great combo (i have a pssin and its awesome)

skygoneblue
14-06-2004, 04:26
Max out Claws of Thunder - no question. It gives you better Phoenix Strike damage, and it will already be fully synergized. Also, it is another source of damage (then you would have physical, fire, and lightning).
You also don't need many points in Claw Mastery - if you're hitting well enough, just stick with where you are. Also, Venom is kind of a waste when you already have a synergy skill maxed (PS).

I think it would be insane to do anything other than Claws of Thunder. :)

NightyNight
14-06-2004, 22:07
Max out Claws of Thunder - no question. It gives you better Phoenix Strike damage, and it will already be fully synergized. Also, it is another source of damage (then you would have physical, fire, and lightning).
You also don't need many points in Claw Mastery - if you're hitting well enough, just stick with where you are. Also, Venom is kind of a waste when you already have a synergy skill maxed (PS).

I think it would be insane to do anything other than Claws of Thunder. :)

Hmmm...I think I wont max CoT after all.

Fire immunes? I'll dragon claw them.
Physical immunes? Dragon tail.
Both? Very rare to bump in, when and if I'll ever meet any monster like this, ill just skip it.

I think I'll invest my remaining points on DS and it's reqs after all, a death sentry is by far the most damaging thing ill have, all I gotta do is kill 1-2 monsters in a crowd, throw in a DS or 2 and BAM! They all drop like flys, yeah, that's probably what I'm gonna do, I don't see any reason why I should max CoT.

omnis
15-06-2004, 03:53
Hmmm...I think I wont max CoT after all.

Fire immunes? I'll dragon claw them.
Physical immunes? Dragon tail.
Both? Very rare to bump in, when and if I'll ever meet any monster like this, ill just skip it.

I think I'll invest my remaining points on DS and it's reqs after all, a death sentry is by far the most damaging thing ill have, all I gotta do is kill 1-2 monsters in a crowd, throw in a DS or 2 and BAM! They all drop like flys, yeah, that's probably what I'm gonna do, I don't see any reason why I should max CoT.
Please, please, put those points in CoT. The actual damage increase will be about 3.5 times your current PS 2nd charge damage! (20x.13+1, except that you already have one point in it) That's about 2200 more damage, although this is a rough estimate only. Plus the lightning usually hits more than once

See my belated but detailed response to your last thread here (http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=203516&page=2). There I explain why you don't want to use Gores, how to get more AR, why DT is WAY overstated damage-wise, etc.

You cannot use DT on Pi's unless you release on a non-PI. You will do more damage with TS vs. FI's than with DC alone, especially since you haven't maxed that skill.

As for DS, note that the damage is divided by number of players in the game, and if you play this character right, you will feel overpowered playing alone in a one person game. You just do too much damage. So in the end, I usually don't use DS much. I often just keep it on a claw instead of investing points.

Lunatic
15-06-2004, 08:39
Right now your PS lightning dmg is 1-1740. That's with 1 point in CoT. With a maxed CoT it'll do 3-5544. I would call that quite the difference.

skygoneblue
15-06-2004, 16:58
All you need is one point in Death Sentry - especially with a bunch of +skills equipment.

Man, no offense, but if you don't max of Claws of Thunder, you will have totally ****ed your build! :lol:

NightyNight
16-06-2004, 01:12
OK guys, thanks alot but, I deleted my lvl 75 assasin. Why? because it simply SUCKED in hell, low res due to no fade, low hp due to lots of STR needed, low armor...Too fragile, but it's not just that, I didnt die alot, atleast not in the first 2 acts... I think it's like that with every melee charatar, in baal runs or whatever, where there are alot of magic using chars, ur just useless, nothing to do but to stand back there and watch other chars cleaning the screen within a few seconds...But I think i sucked mostly because of LAGS! And I think that we all know that melee+lags=death, from now on I think i wont start a melee char ever again, because of my badass lags, it's impossible, so I've started a new trapper, and a Fireball+Orb sorc for MF, I think i'll do fine.

Thanks alot for your support along the way...you really really helped and I hope that u'll support me with me next builds :) Anyway, eventually i got sick of standing behind...Nothing to do...Conclusion? Melee sux ;/ Yes, this build has a great potential to be very uber...phoenix strike...freezing the entire screen...stupidly high damage (over 30k), very, very fast attack and running speed, a very powerful tank...sounds like a dream but it actually sux in hell, I think it's due to the fact that I just keep missing...again, I think it's just lags, cuz i tested it in single player on hell and it was pretyu good but i just can't, cant play a melee char, not with my current connection (750kbps) ;/

Have a good night ;) Atleast i can transfer my stuff to my new trapper...lol.