Level 9 pvp assassin

[HaUsBoArDeR]

Tbh I do'nt have the time right now to look through and see if there is a previous post. I am leaving for the weekend in a few minutes, and I wanted to get this up so I'll have a guide by the time I get back.

Would someone be so kind as to point me to a level 9 dueling assassin guide? If none exist, would you be so kind as to tell me what skills to use? :)

[K-Lined]

http://users.pandora.be/solartje/site/guide-Tsassasin.htm

[Uber_Kulu]

in this guide it says how you should get:
3 skillpoints from cleaning Den of evel (Act1-q1) in all difficulty levels
3 skillpoints from killing Radament (Act2-q1) in all difficulty levels
6 skillpoints from killing Izual (Act4-q1) in all difficulty levels
But with the new patch dont you have to be lvl 20 to complete norm, 40 to complete nm and 60 to complete hell. Cuz when you go to the ancients you have to be lvl 20 in norm in able to do that quest, if u dont do that quest then u cannot go onto baal. Or is there some way around this?

[st-hearts]

in this guide it says how you should get:
3 skillpoints from cleaning Den of evel (Act1-q1) in all difficulty levels
3 skillpoints from killing Radament (Act2-q1) in all difficulty levels
6 skillpoints from killing Izual (Act4-q1) in all difficulty levels
But with the new patch dont you have to be lvl 20 to complete norm, 40 to complete nm and 60 to complete hell. Cuz when you go to the ancients you have to be lvl 20 in norm in able to do that quest, if u dont do that quest then u cannot go onto baal. Or is there some way around this?

Just party with someone who gets the Baal Quest. Remember, the Ancients quest is only to allow you to get into the Worldstone Keep, but you don't need to be there with your character to get the quest as long as someone in your party gets it.

~Hearts~

[Uber_Kulu]

oh sweet, i never knew that. so i can just wait in town when there killing baal? not to shabby :thumbsup:

[evils]

reading that "guide" makes me wanna cry and smack the author in the face.. that guide is COMPLETELY useless.. why? ok, i'll tell you:

1. gothic plate at lvl9? heavy armor anyone? (ever heard of penalties?)
2. a 3socketed superior gothic shield or a 2socketed superior boneshield? Please stop.. A shield with no increased block rate/speed is completely useless. who wanna spend an entire(ok, almost :))duel in blocking-animation?
3. why min/max jewels? a PK want as HIGH MAX dmg as possible, who cares about min dmg.. really.. use max/max(carbuncle of wrath) instead.

that was just some of the flaws i saw from browsing thru that ****.. anyways, i'll whip up a decent guide for you. this is a sin accepted in "public" duels, but she's mostly suited for pking. (i actually used a sin like this to kill norm ancients once, just to see if it was possible.. and it was :))

head: 3socketed mask (3* 9-14max dmg)
neck: rare ammy with str/dex/life/res etc
body: 3socketed breast/light plate (breast plates are ugly imo) (3 * 9-14max dmg)
left hand: ethereal 3socketed blade talon socketed with: either 3 * 20/9 ed/max or 3 * 9-14max dmg. OR a rare eth blade talon with amp, ed, max and other nice mods.. if you are lucky it will have 2 sockets, or if you are unlucky, only 1 socket.. just fill em with ed/max or max/max.
right hand: BSoD socketed with 2 9-14max dmg jewels
gloves: deaths
left ring: nagel or a nice rare with 75+ar and max dmg/other nice mods
belt: deaths
right ring: nagel or a nice rare with 75+ar and max dmg/other nice mods
boots: hsarus(nice fire res and some fr/w) or gorefoot(crappy useless manaleech, and 20 or so fr/w)
charms: what he said, 15 life/ar large charms.. if you cant afford em, stick to plain 15 life larges.

stats:
str: enough to wear your heaviest piece of equipment
dex: enough for max block
vit: rest here
nrg: none

skills:
you can either get a nice mix of mastery/tigerstrike or just get 1 pt into mastery and the rest into tigerstrike.. (remember what i said about PK's looking for the highest max dmg possible? that applies here)
lvl3 Bos (lvl3 BoS+30% ias from deaths is all you need to hit 7frames with a blade talon)

thats pretty much that.. if i werent so darn lazy i'd do all the math for you, and check on stat distribution and **** as well, buuuuuut.. i wont :)

//Johnny a.k.a. evils/BtK

[Hyb!]

Question:

Its tower shield w/ 3 socks(Bloq Ama/Asn/Bar: 49%) a bad idea to use?

Req 75 strenght but w/-15req jwl, only 63

[Uber_Kulu]

I agree that this guide does make more sence. I still have 2 questions thoough.
"right hand: BSoD socketed with 2 9-14max dmg jewels"
Whats BSoD?
And also, why wouldnt u use bloodfists for gloves? they seem to be alot better then deaths and the lvl requirement is still 9. BTW, what does deaths belt and gloves give as bonus?

[A_S_G]

BTW, what does deaths belt and gloves give as bonus?

30% IAS, 10% LL

[theBlackKnight]

BSoD = bone shield of deflecting, curteousy of drognan in normal.

now for the OT part of my post, I just ruined my stupid 1337 counter !!!! ASG you didnt fill in enough info for me to avoid posting!!!!!!

[evils]

Question:

Its tower shield w/ 3 socks(Bloq Ama/Asn/Bar: 49%) a bad idea to use?

Req 75 strenght but w/-15req jwl, only 63
it is a very bad idea.. first of all, 63 str is still alot for a lvl9 char, not to mention all the points you need in dex for max block. what you need to remember is that you need to dump as many pts as possible into vit. i guess high life isnt as important for you guys playing softcore as it was for me playing hc, but still, losing is losing... and losing sux :D

also, it has no faster block.. good luck going up against anything with a faster than 9 frames attack, with a shield like that..

//Johnny

[st-hearts]

reading that "guide" makes me wanna cry and smack the author in the face.. that guide is COMPLETELY useless.. why? ok, i'll tell you:

1. gothic plate at lvl9? heavy armor anyone? (ever heard of penalties?)
2. a 3socketed superior gothic shield or a 2socketed superior boneshield? Please stop.. A shield with no increased block rate/speed is completely useless. who wanna spend an entire(ok, almost :))duel in blocking-animation?
3. why min/max jewels? a PK want as HIGH MAX dmg as possible, who cares about min dmg.. really.. use max/max(carbuncle of wrath) instead.



1. Gothic Plate and Ancient Armors are medium weight armors. Check it out at the Arreat Summit if you do not believe me.
2. The Assassin starts out at a 5 frame block rate without any FBR. It's hard for builds to achieve 5 frame attacks at level 9, with the only one I know of being a kicker.
3. Average damage is better. Who cares if you have +14 max if your damage range is horrible? Coming from a SC perspective, I suppose.

~Hearts~

[Matt]

yeah... that guy who wrote the guide had some INSANE jewels and jewelry... can you say 1-14 max, - req jewel, 74 AR, 1 max, half freeze ring ETC? Wow, some of that is really nice.. but then again... the guide messed it up in a lot of places, the shield, the armor, the belt and boots are debateable.

johnny, another, cheaper weapon is, of course, clegs sword too, just thought i would point it out.

[darius_paul]

Originally Posted by evils
reading that "guide" makes me wanna cry and smack the author in the face.. that guide is COMPLETELY useless.. why? ok, i'll tell you:

1. gothic plate at lvl9? heavy armor anyone? (ever heard of penalties?)
2. a 3socketed superior gothic shield or a 2socketed superior boneshield? Please stop.. A shield with no increased block rate/speed is completely useless. who wanna spend an entire(ok, almost )duel in blocking-animation?
3. why min/max jewels? a PK want as HIGH MAX dmg as possible, who cares about min dmg.. really.. use max/max(carbuncle of wrath) instead.




1. Gothic Plate and Ancient Armors are medium weight armors. Check it out at the Arreat Summit if you do not believe me.
2. The Assassin starts out at a 5 frame block rate without any FBR. It's hard for builds to achieve 5 frame attacks at level 9, with the only one I know of being a kicker.
3. Average damage is better. Who cares if you have +14 max if your damage range is horrible? Coming from a SC perspective, I suppose.

~Hearts~



1. This is very true. I have a LLD and before i put jewels into his armour, he had a superior 4 socket ancient armour. 259 def and 4 open sockets!!!!! and NO LEVEL RESTRICTION.

2. Covered

3. Min damage is better to have. Remeber, LLDer's dont have alot of life. 400-500 at most. Assassins can get their max up to what, 1k? 1.5k? With max damage jewels. Good yes, but whats your min damage? 100? 75? 50? Add the PvP penalty to that and if you hit for the lowest amount of damage, 20 life def wont kill the other player. So yea more min damage is better.

Question: Arent min damage jewels higher lvl req though? Or are +9 min damage jewels a lvl 9 req?

[st-hearts]

1. This is very true. I have a LLD and before i put jewels into his armour, he had a superior 4 socket ancient armour. 259 def and 4 open sockets!!!!! and NO LEVEL RESTRICTION.

2. Covered

3. Min damage is better to have. Remeber, LLDer's dont have alot of life. 400-500 at most. Assassins can get their max up to what, 1k? 1.5k? With max damage jewels. Good yes, but whats your min damage? 100? 75? 50? Add the PvP penalty to that and if you hit for the lowest amount of damage, 20 life def wont kill the other player. So yea more min damage is better.

Question: Arent min damage jewels higher lvl req though? Or are +9 min damage jewels a lvl 9 req?

+8 min (Scarlet Jewel of Joyfulness) is the best you can get at level 9.

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/magic/jewels.shtml

~Hearts~

[evils]

1. Gothic Plate and Ancient Armors are medium weight armors. Check it out at the Arreat Summit if you do not believe me.
2. The Assassin starts out at a 5 frame block rate without any FBR. It's hard for builds to achieve 5 frame attacks at level 9, with the only one I know of being a kicker.
3. Average damage is better. Who cares if you have +14 max if your damage range is horrible? Coming from a SC perspective, I suppose.

~Hearts~
1. i stand corrected. though the str is still a lil hefty for a lvl9 imo.
2. had no clue about that, never bothered to check it out.
3. i wrote the guide from a pk's point of view, where a mad high max>good average dmg.

no, when i played i played hc only.

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matt: yeah, but i dont like sins with swords :D however the 50%(or is it 50? been a while since i played) DS is kinda nice i suppose.

//Johnny

[Jerkazoid]

1. i stand corrected. though the str is still a lil hefty for a lvl9 imo.
2. had no clue about that, never bothered to check it out.
3. i wrote the guide from a pk's point of view, where a mad high max>good average dmg.

no, when i played i played hc only.


let me 1st say this:
lld is not a huge community.. we sorta "know" everyone.. its pretty crappy to insult a persons efforts openly on forums like this. Solartje is not a dim-wit, he really does have alot of his ideas well planned out.. i hope in the future people wont be so critical of anothers expeirence and suggestions.. ...

unless there REALLY bad..... :lol:

now then:

ancient armor (usually paired with sigons gear) hits 70 str, 500 def, while still mainting 450-550 life and the same good dmg.. its all about wealth.
(u dont need run/walk speed in melee duel.. for pksing?yes.. but ot melee duels)

the 3 sock shield wich hits above the same blocking as pelta doesnt require much more dex. and for amazons who have uniteruptible hits blocking speed is not an issue. (and she uses 55dex eth throwspears and hits 75% blocking anyway).. her dmg is the biggest issue, and an extra jewel (or two) can really help

also the anti block lock feature prevents lock now too.

from a pk point of view in hc its all about getting max bc u need a 1hitter to kill. (we should all know that HC and SC are very different)

statistically speaking if u use ALL +8min jewels (wich btw +8min is statistially easier to find then +14max) the min dmg works out better.

there are severeal reason why
heres a grossly exagerated example

character has 400 life
Opponent a max gear) dmg 50-400 avg = 275
opponent b min gear) dmg 150-151 avg = 150.5

opponent A)
worst case 50dmg = 8 hits ,
best case 400dmg = 1 hit
avg hits 9/2 = 4.5 hits

opponent b)
worst case:150 = 3 hits ,
best case:151dmg= 3 hits
avg = 3 hits

let me just remind everyone that mathmeticians will critize my above example.. ,, but to better illustrate my point, i included it.

also when we think about Average we must understand that small marginal things like:
70 avg dmg vs 75 avg dmg
WONT make that much diff becase we are not hitting opponent 100's of times.. the samples we live (duel and die) under, are limited..(very limited) maybe 5-6 good hits at the most. within limited sets as such higher minimum ranges are more beneficial

also, (the biggest factor),, Minimum dmg has a small exploit.
If u surpass ur max dmg the Max is reset to min +1..
this means once u have surpassed ur max dmg (pretty easy with low max dmg weapons) a +8min dmg jewel will act like +8min and +8 max.. statistically the same as a +16 max dmg jewel. :0

[evils]

also, (the biggest factor),, Minimum dmg has a small exploit.
If u surpass ur max dmg the Max is reset to min +1..
this means once u have surpassed ur max dmg (pretty easy with low max dmg weapons) a +8min dmg jewel will act like +8min and +8 max.. statistically the same as a +16 max dmg jewel. :0
that i had absolutely NO idea of.. kinda cool. :)

//Johnny

[HaUsBoArDeR]

Let me get this straight then, I just wasted a mal rune on a BSoD?

All of this is well and good, but it seems that a lot of posts are suggesting that evils guide isn't top choice for a sc dueler. Does anyone have a good level 9 assassin guide I can take a look at?

[LLD-Vampire]

Jerk when you start talking about lld and doing your math you scare me A LOT.


BTW I found a 2 bone 20%fcr wand with 1 BS and 1 bspear and got 2 socs from larzuk. Still looking for 3 bs though...

[pitzuchim]

Jerk when you start talking about lld and doing your math you scare me A LOT.


BTW I found a 2 bone 20%fcr wand with 1 BS and 1 bspear and got 2 socs from larzuk. Still looking for 3 bs though...


Just an idea... wouldn't it be way better to use +8 min dmg jewels in everything. Think about it... if you're using cleg sword, the first 2 jewels will get you to 19-20 dmg

After that, each jewel will do +8 min ANNNDDDD +8 max dmg, because max is always min + 1. This will quickly amount to huge dmg. Not to mention your damage will be a lot more consistent. But I guess it doesn't give you those "1 hit kills" like the + ~14 max dmg jewels do