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goodstuff1
12-06-2004, 00:16
Hi all!
First a little of my backround as me as an bowazon player...
I luve bowazon.. the most fun build in d2 history... My experience is 1 wf fa/strife zon (thanks for guide..:)) took here to lev 84 and heard rumor off the wws... Made a pure strafe wws zon to lev 83. bouth off this 2 was for mfing...
Now im gonna do a pure killer zon no mf whats so ever... (thinking of loads of trav runs to get runes and charms....)
I went through all the forum guides and no1 have ever named any1 off this two armours...
Crow caw (can make 30 IAS)
15 ias
35 open wounds
15 dex
Black hades (can make to 45 IAS..:))
30-60 dmg demons
200-250 ar demons
and best off all 3 socket..:)
I think thoose 2 outshines most others to get high ias and dmg and no1 ever mention any off em.... sure they dont have any res but how often does a well played ama need that?
well what armour should u choose for pure killing speed with an ias over 30 (need that for my build)?
thx for ure time and sry my bad english...
Most people seeking ias, especially for pvp, put on 160/60 four socket armor, hopefully with life. Crow caw is an excellent armor for open wounds but thats about it. Hades is a low lev armor, you dont need ar if using ga. Reality is that for bowazons attack speed is the holy grail. 8 fps attack with wf makes life a lot easier.
Don't forget the spirit forge linked mail:
+120-160% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+ (1.25 Per Character Level) 1-123 Life (Based On Character Level)
Fire Resist +5%
Adds 20-65 Fire Damage
+15 To Strength
Gem Sockets (2)
+4 To Light Radius
I think Crowcraw is heavy armour? So it would slow you down a bit?
About the 160/60 armour..well...I understand the original poster was looking uínto legit, attainabe armours..maybe if we are just daydreaming he would have named CoH or Enigma?.
That said, Twitchthrow, when upgraded could be an awesome zon armour...20IAS and it can be socketed for more IAS or res. Then again, if you play HC, resists are a big issue..which brings us back to all time favorites like Duriels, Lionheart or Smoke...
sir goatscelot
12-06-2004, 00:55
I think Crowcraw is heavy armour? So it would slow you down a bit?
About the 160/60 armour..well...I understand the original poster was looking uínto legit, attainabe armours..maybe if we are just daydreaming he would have named CoH or Enigma?.
That said, Twitchthrow, when upgraded could be an awesome zon armour...20IAS and it can be socketed for more IAS or res. Then again, if you play HC, resists are a big issue..which brings us back to all time favorites like Duriels, Lionheart or Smoke...
Dang it! Server booted me and you beat me to old school Twitch :( Major style points from the vets for Twitch :)
goodstuff1
12-06-2004, 01:51
thx for the input.. just for the record i play sc/ pvm... (hc is hard with a modem and bad comp..:)..) and yea i was speaking of the more affordeble armours.. but i would luve to try a 160/60.. :)
well my playing style is a bit def so i dont rly need any res so the old time favourits doesnt suit me to well..:)..
but i have to look into the spirit forge thx for that suggestion... twitchtrow has 20 ias but that about it, even if its good.. those above i personal think outshines it...
sir goatscelot
12-06-2004, 02:03
Heh. Thou mockest Twitch? BahI say! Hit recovery, blocking(for hybrid builds), 20 ias.., if Ya don't like that you must be a baby ;) Just kidding dude :) As always go with what you feel best.
Don't forget the spirit forge linked mail:
+120-160% Enhanced Defense (varies)
+ (1.25 Per Character Level) 1-123 Life (Based On Character Level)
Fire Resist +5%
Adds 20-65 Fire Damage
+15 To Strength
Gem Sockets (2)
+4 To Light Radius
I use it also. it is very good armor, imo. 15 to str is the same than 15 to dex. Simply, the 15 points i saved from my strength req for the WF, i put them in Dex.
Life is a very good mod for a bowazon, that tend to have between 0 an 50 in vita, and even give a armor rating. if you are wearing already a high str bow (such as uped buriza), you can upgrade the armor also.
If you can get to your planed ias point without using 4 sockets in your armor, imo it beats the jewellers xxxx armor of the whale hands down. If you are already looking for the last fps shots, then you probably would need the 4 sockets from the jewelers xxxx of the whale. And no, im not talking of a 160/60. A xx/60 is nice enough.. XD. plus, in this patch, i think that max damage ias are better. I traded away a 15 res all /15 ias jewel last week, so those are possible (dont ask what i got for it, :rant: . probably much less than i should). Basically, anything that gives you ias plus damage, resists, AR, or dex is a very good jewel.
Omikron8
12-06-2004, 04:09
Hi all!
First a little of my backround as me as an bowazon player...
I luve bowazon.. the most fun build in d2 history... My experience is 1 wf fa/strife zon (thanks for guide..:)) took here to lev 84 and heard rumor off the wws... Made a pure strafe wws zon to lev 83. bouth off this 2 was for mfing...
Now im gonna do a pure killer zon no mf whats so ever... (thinking of loads of trav runs to get runes and charms....)
I went through all the forum guides and no1 have ever named any1 off this two armours...
Crow caw (can make 30 IAS)
15 ias
35 open wounds
15 dex
Black hades (can make to 45 IAS..:))
30-60 dmg demons
200-250 ar demons
and best off all 3 socket..:)
I think thoose 2 outshines most others to get high ias and dmg and no1 ever mention any off em.... sure they dont have any res but how often does a well played ama need that?
well what armour should u choose for pure killing speed with an ias over 30 (need that for my build)?
thx for ure time and sry my bad english...
Why is black hades not used? simple
It is heavy weight --> -10% run/walk (and adding a few run/walk charms doesn't seem to solve this problem totally)
140 strength requirement--> Unless you have + strength items most bowazons don't aim this high for strength.
The 3 sockets are irrelevant because for example
You put in resistance jewels/runes
--> Same thing as duriel's shell or lionheart but worse
You put in IAS jewels
--> Same thing as a plain IAS armor but worse
The damage bonus to demons is not the same as enhanced damage added to the current enhanced damage of your bow and delivered to demons. It is calculated from the base damage only so the final bonus is probably less than a 100 damage and not noticeable.
The two most underrated armors for zons are most definetely duriel's shell and lionheart runeword.
As for crow caw, twitchthroe just beats it hands down. Crow caw is tigulated mail which is heavy weight again. The open wounds are nice on crow caw but not necessary and twitch has more speed and stats as well as FHR.
I think Crowcraw is heavy armour? So it would slow you down a bit?
About the 160/60 armour..well...I understand the original poster was looking uínto legit, attainabe armours..maybe if we are just daydreaming he would have named CoH or Enigma?.
That said, Twitchthrow, when upgraded could be an awesome zon armour...20IAS and it can be socketed for more IAS or res. Then again, if you play HC, resists are a big issue..which brings us back to all time favorites like Duriels, Lionheart or Smoke...
please forgive me oh guardians of political playing correctness, I forgot to put xxx instead of 160 that I bought on ebay with everything else I own.....sarcasm, sry
ALtheDefender
12-06-2004, 04:30
please forgive me oh guardians of political playing correctness, I forgot to put xxx instead of 160 that I bought on ebay with everything else I own.....sarcasm, sry
On the subject of cheap zon armors, what would y'all think about the viability of a rattlecage. It's not too hard to come by. It's a medium armor, 70 strength required, and the 40% chance of flee coupled with the 25% cb makes it seem pretty appealing to me, but I don't hear much mention of it. What do you all think of it?
As far as I can tell and from what I have read the weight doesn't effect how fast you run but only your sta drain speed. It appears that you are moving slower because of the rate you sta is draining. And seeing as run speed charms don't effect that feeling I believe its right in that its an illusion of slower running. I know my zon with leather runs the same speed as my daughters zon with chaos or shadow plate.
please forgive me oh guardians of political playing correctness, I forgot to put xxx instead of 160 that I bought on ebay with everything else I own.....sarcasm, sry
:lol: :lol: :lol:
ConFusion
12-06-2004, 15:35
For PvM the best bowazon armors are in my opinion: 60/40+/80+ IAS/All resist/Life armor, Lionheart or Twitchtroe. Duriel's shell is nice but since you'll probably be wearing at least one raven the extra cold resist is not that important and neither is the cannot be frozen.
Sokar Rostau
12-06-2004, 16:55
On the subject of cheap zon armors, what would y'all think about the viability of a rattlecage. It's not too hard to come by. It's a medium armor, 70 strength required, and the 40% chance of flee coupled with the 25% cb makes it seem pretty appealing to me, but I don't hear much mention of it. What do you all think of it?
It is decent enough. I have seen a few 90+ zons using it - CB is always helpful and hit cause to flee is a boon to any bowazon. My Tankazon used it to great effect until she could equip upped Crow Caw which came along 3 or 4 lvls before Arkaine's Valour. Its definately not the best out there but if the Bowazons I have seen (one of which was lvl 96 SCL) can use it then give it a try. Personally I would go for maybe Smoke, Duriels or Lionheart for the resists (unless you're rich in which case there is no other option but CoH), or Duress for all those juicy damage mods. I havn't tried Duress on a Bowazon yet but it works a dream on a Tank.
Omikron8
13-06-2004, 01:18
As far as I can tell and from what I have read the weight doesn't effect how fast you run but only your sta drain speed. It appears that you are moving slower because of the rate you sta is draining. And seeing as run speed charms don't effect that feeling I believe its right in that its an illusion of slower running. I know my zon with leather runs the same speed as my daughters zon with chaos or shadow plate.
No
Heavy Armors most certainly do slow down your run speed AND increase your stamina draining. I definetely find it harder to maneuver and run away from monsters when wearing heavy armor.
ReallFugitive
13-06-2004, 01:26
No
Heavy Armors most certainly do slow down your run speed AND increase your stamina draining. I definetely find it harder to maneuver and run away from monsters when wearing heavy armor.
That is because it is taking 10% off the top of all your effective run/walk total. Not simply slashing 10% off charms/boots.
Omikron8
13-06-2004, 07:52
Exactly, this is why 3 or 4 run/walk charms or run/walk boots still don't give you the same run/speed as if you were wearing lighter armor.
That 10 percent must be so little as to make no difference then. We ran from the far oasis to valley of the snakes and were right together the whole way. Sta drain yes, slows you down, nope not from what i have seen.
In my personal opinion, I've always liked a good old Chains of Honor wire fleece... lightweight armor, decent defense, fantastic mods... and it works well for both bowazon, javazon, or hybrid builds. The + to skills is a must-have for any zon build, since the majority of your damage will probably be elemental-skill-reliant. Not only that but +65 all resists to top it off. For the level-up process I usually use Twitchthroe. I find it works great all the way until Hell. Aside from being lightweight armor and having the IAS bonus, it also boosts your dex and str a bit... and the chance to block bonus will be helpful to any who are leveling a jav/hybrid.
In fact, were it not for the massive resists on CoH, I'd probably be left with no other armor to point at besides Twitch. An upgraded elite Twitch on ladder served my bowazon well for quite a while... and it got me some admiration points from veteran players as well :evil:
MN12Thunder
13-06-2004, 22:03
My vote would be for Lionheart and I would still be using it today if I didn't have my Bowazon attend M'avina's School of Freezer Burn. The runes are fairly inexpensive and the stat and resist bonuses are great.
for PvM the underrated armor i don't see enough people using is the Smoke runeword.
its more of a javazon armor than a bowazon armor, but you drop it into a wirefleece and you have tons of defense and 50 to all resists.
the runes are cheap too, nef and lum, you'll probably have a harder time finding 2 socket elite armor, god knows i did.
goodstuff1
15-06-2004, 00:29
thx all for the advices, suggestions and good input...
Just gonna tell u that i still settled for crowcaw, upped soon.. (black hades had to much str...) even if the running is slowed...
and i need 30 ias in armour so thats leaves sort of all the others away except twitch and spirit... and well i just use my crow caw because no1 else seems to use it.. ( i reckon its an even raise between...) and it look kind of cool.. all black...
cya all and good hunting....
for one of my old characters i made myself a 60 ias armor, if you're a bowazon with a merc and valk, and espescially if you play in group games more than solo, a 60 ias armor is beautiful, it gives you so many options with the rest of your gear
thx all for the advices, suggestions and good input...
Just gonna tell u that i still settled for crowcaw, upped soon.. (black hades had to much str...) even if the running is slowed...
I hope you are taking into account that Open Wounds is reduced on projectiles? [Still great for multi-shot and strafe but otherwise I wouldn't go after it specifically]
mstrnicegui
15-06-2004, 09:46
runeword gloom looks more interesting to me than a smoke armor, slightly less resists and fhr, but ctc dim vision is nice and def to rival stone.
goodstuff1
15-06-2004, 18:09
Ye i took the open wounds into account as well but thx for reminder, do use strafe 99% of the time... and well true the 60 ias armour should be good but for my gear i think they r excellent already..:)
Starting gear:
WF (15 ias / some enchanted or shael) dunnu yet just at lev 43 right now
razortail
crowcaw (15 ias socked)
andarials visage (15 ias socked)
atmas amu
laying on hands
raven frost*2 or ravenfrost and dwarfstar or some nice min/max dmg dex ring
Wts or gore riders dunno yet... any1 have suggestions?
this takes me to 9/2 breakpoint (35wf, 35andyvisage, 20loh, 30crowcaw)= 120..:)
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