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U Got Waxed
11-06-2004, 00:10
Can someone help me make a good rushing zon? What skills should i get and what stats. What equipment should i wear? I would appreciate you helping me!

Dr.G
11-06-2004, 00:21
I dont think one zon is better at rushing than any other style of zon.

XZON
11-06-2004, 00:27
Can't tell you what to build, but I can tell you what not to. A bowazon. Teleport, FCR, high life / defense is what you will want. Even if you could build this, I don't think you could kill anything.

Dr.G
11-06-2004, 00:36
egnima is kinda pricy for a rusher.

Panzer_Erwin
11-06-2004, 08:26
egnima is kinda pricy for a rusher.

try to get an teleport amulet instead

ConFusion
11-06-2004, 11:16
Can't tell you what to build, but I can tell you what not to. A bowazon. Teleport, FCR, high life / defense is what you will want. Even if you could build this, I don't think you could kill anything.

The point of a Bowazon is obviously not to get hit, so why bother with defense and high life?

I think Bowazons, when well-build, can do just as well as any other amazon when it comes to rushing people.

triqui
11-06-2004, 15:53
egnima is kinda pricy for a rusher.
Enigma is kinda useless in an amazon, due to the 19 frames cast rate. you can use it in some situations (like river of flame and some other places to avoid run too much) but not much more, imo.

I have no enigma, but if i find one, i would use it in my pala, necro, barb, or sorc first. only if you play ONLY amazons, or you are insanely rich, you should bother in putting enigma in an ama. IMHO.

For rushing people, i would use a hibrid. Max LF, MAX CS, some bow skill (GA ignore defense and therefore ignore penetrate, you can use a GSA for good AR also, or Eaglehorn, and then use Strafe). With an hibrid, you can run really faster (titans add run), while avoiding lot of hits, and block some of them (1/3 of 75% is still a 25% block). you can clean crowds faster than anything, and you can kill bosses really fast with CS. You can use the bow for LI, or run past them.
However... probably a meteorb or FO/CL would be a better rusher. A hammerdin also rushes very well, with maxed vigor and maybe even enigma.

XZON
11-06-2004, 20:09
This was the point... to rush well, you need to do it fast. Fastest way is teleport. Who wants to waite around while an amazon walks durance of hate and kill every monster on the way. Could take 10 minutes. Or 2 levels of catacombs? Which of the 4 directions is the summoner (its always the last one you try). Might as well not call it a rush.

High life/fcr/defense was for a teleporter. I also wouldn't build a bowzon around those priorities. Like I said, you couldn'y kill anything. I guess you could use any charachter to rush normal & nightmare. But for hell, I just think there are better characters (with teleport).

P.S. I hate charges. They cost an awful lot to repair.

sir goatscelot
12-06-2004, 00:10
I know I will get flamed for this but.., Rushers and Rushing ruin the game period. I play this game for fun and to enjoy the comradery of others, but all I see is selfish people who are out to get all they can for the least amount of effort. Manners, curtisy are all foreign concepts to the average rusher. What matters the most to them is their enjoyment.., not that of their fellow players. The worst part about rushing/rushers is that they teach this way of play to the new people who decide to try this game.

So all I have to say is this: Slow down. Help your brothers and sisters out but don't help those who don't want to help themselves. Enjoy a game where everyone contributes equally and maybe you will find something you may have lost...

BodomSaint
12-06-2004, 01:16
well i agree with you sir goatscelot BUT i just hate playing through normal, then nightmare. I think Hell is the most fun part of the game since only in hell one can see if the Char is good or not (PvM of course, PvP is a whole differnt story). In normal nearly every char plays like the same, since you don't have any fun skills yet (or very little). If you fought your way through normal, the game starts again, and most of the time Nightmare is boring cause your char will devastate everything there (if not, don't even bother Hell ;)) so a little rushing is nice from time to time as long as you don't rush hell ;)

sir goatscelot
12-06-2004, 01:34
To each is own as always :) But let me clarify a few things, if you want to rush, go ahead, but rushing in open pubbie games just invites the worst crowds.., passworded friends games seems better. As far as not rushing hell, I lost count at how many people sit in Baal runs at lvl 50 or less. So while you may have a better attitude, the other 90% do not :( Now for the point that good skills are not available till late.., well make some chars to just have fun with like say an undead killer Paladin that uses the Civerbs set only as well as Sanctuary.., or a Cleglaw only Sword Barb.., the classic Missionary build with max thorns etc etc. Inject some much needed life and imagination in to it :) Above all else, have fun but not at the exspence of others..

triqui
12-06-2004, 02:27
I agree with Sir to some degree.

What i ussually do is play solo the first 24 levls. Ussually, this makes me enter the durance of hate (with the khalims will done). then i get rushed from a friend to act 5, do baal runs till lvl 50, then start nightmare. I play ALL may way to nightmare, couse i find it the most exciting and funny lvls. You are not as wimpy as in normal, and monsters are not as tough as in hell. When i enter in hell in lvl 70 to 75, two things can happen.
1) i hit a wall. The character is not tweaked, not well build (or is a pvp build), or is , ie, pure lightning sorc. So cant beat the game, or have a very slim chance to do so. Then i get rushed to Baal run directly from lvl 1
2) The character works. OMG. Then i do the entire lvls from act 1 to 5, and get every bit of fun from the game. Im currently doing that with my new multizon with windforce. She can kill consistently, and playing her is fun. I did also with my javazon, and my hammerdin (except act3, that got rushed).

The thing is, lot of characters arent fun in hell. Try to cross hell difficulty with a chargedin or a smiter. Try to do it with a blizzardess. Or bad equiped baba, as my first character in ladder was. The game become AWFUL when you need 40 to 50 swings to kill a single mega demon, if you get killed every 5 minutes, or you simply cant damage at all a kind of enemy with that characater.

So, the rush has it uses, and , imo, is very important in those uses. Hey, we are planning a 8 man hellforge rush next week. That is 8xnormal + 8xnightmare + 8xhalf hell , with a character "pulling" from a lvl 40 char and 6 lvl 1 mules. To do that, i want a character ABLE to do it.