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Herald of Doom
09-06-2004, 10:05
I was just in the druid forum, where garbad made a thread about the worst item ever. I nominated Dragonscale, which is imo the worst item. If anyone found ANY use whatsoever, please tell me. I'd say HoZ is superior for any pala build, and so are mosers/SS/almost any other shield... I'm just curious if someone had been very original and did find a use for it :)
HoD
Kirby Hunter
09-06-2004, 10:29
I was just in the druid forum, where garbad made a thread about the worst item ever. I nominated Dragonscale, which is imo the worst item. If anyone found ANY use whatsoever, please tell me. I'd say HoZ is superior for any pala build, and so are mosers/SS/almost any other shield... I'm just curious if someone had been very original and did find a use for it :)
HoD
Ormus Robes
+Unique Jagged star
Trang Oul set+ GLove+Belt
Stuff like that^.^
+Dragonscale
Is VERY Fun =pIf you dont like the jagged star, you can use Frostwind6,^
Holy Fire Smiter? It does have much higher smite than Herald.
However, Most all 1.09 Class specific uniques were all designed with the same template on them. They all are very well rounded and basically provide ideal stats for every build. The new 1.10 class ones IMO are all inferior to the 1.09, even if they are elite.
Holy Fire Smiter? It does have much higher smite than Herald.
However, Most all 1.09 Class specific uniques were all designed with the same template on them. They all are very well rounded and basically provide ideal stats for every build. The new 1.10 class ones IMO are all inferior to the 1.09, even if they are elite.
Except Deaths fathom.
I would still prefer the resists, FCR, Life and MF with an Occy any day.
And am I the only one that is bugged by the fact that both deaths fathom and eschuta's are almost the exact same?
Holy Fire becomes a decent aura when coupled with dragon scale. I wonder if holy fire granted by hand of justice will stack with normal holy fire and receives damage bonus from synergies.... hmm.... probably not. That would have been too good.
Holy Fire becomes a decent aura when coupled with dragon scale. I wonder if holy fire granted by hand of justice will stack with normal holy fire and receives damage bonus from synergies.... hmm.... probably not. That would have been too good.
I'm pretty sure it does.. I'll go test. brb.
EDIT (just tested): It receieves bonus from synergies, doesn't stack with Holy Fire (seems like they cancel each other). So it allows for Holy Fire + Conviction, hmm, interesting...
very fast smite + 2k fire dmg from holy fire + convic = dead people in duels?
So If you wear hands of justice, thats a level 16 holy fire that can be synergized. Make it in a phase blade for less IAS needed for Smite. You need 75% IAS according to German Calc to get 6 frame smite. 33% from Hands, 20 from gloves, 20 from high/cats +Ias jewel.
Max Smite
Max Holy Shield
Max Salv
Max Resist fire
10 in Convic
hmmmmm
Metroid_01
09-06-2004, 12:19
You all left out the best part! you can make hydras!!! hydras are so awesome! (i really do like that by the way...not being sarcastic lol..i love this build idea, if i ever get the wealth together ill try it.)
I'm pretty sure it does.. I'll go test. brb.
EDIT (just tested): It receieves bonus from synergies, doesn't stack with Holy Fire (seems like they cancel each other). So it allows for Holy Fire + Conviction, hmm, interesting...
The higher level aura will be in effect, atleast that's what happens when one runs high level Defiance while using Exile.
Does the elemental damage from the Holy auras even transfer with Smite?
Concerning 1.10 uniques, there's quite a few actually that are rather good, but they're geared towards specific build(s). All-around-usable uniques are always nice and all that, but they tend to make everyone the same = bad.
Kirby Hunter
09-06-2004, 13:03
The higher level aura will be in effect, atleast that's what happens when one runs high level Defiance while using Exile.
Does the elemental damage from the Holy auras even transfer with Smite?
Concerning 1.10 uniques, there's quite a few actually that are rather good, but they're geared towards specific build(s). All-around-usable uniques are always nice and all that, but they tend to make everyone the same = bad.
The elemental DMg doesnt stack
or else we'd probably see a few Shocking smiters =)
Elemental damage doesn't carry in with smite, only the aura area damage will work and that only sparks about once per second. It's nice to know that synergies work. That gives me some things to think about.
I'm pretty sure it does.. I'll go test. brb.
EDIT (just tested): It receieves bonus from synergies, doesn't stack with Holy Fire (seems like they cancel each other). So it allows for Holy Fire + Conviction, hmm, interesting...
Excellent! Perhaps now I will try to build a Fire Zealot (or whatever you want to call it.)
Herald of Doom
09-06-2004, 13:39
So basically, only HF paladins would work. but even with all the ormus's and whatnot, will dragonscale be better then hoz? Res all, faster block, 20str/dex ... And I'm not talking about "pwning" normal, I mean is it either usable in nm-hell or duels?
Oh, while we're discussing dragonscale, what does this mean:
+15 To Fire Skill Damage
Is it 15 extra damage for every skill that has fire? if so, its kinda useless imo.
And seriously, lvl10 hydra's without mastery will have 59-74damage, thats not even remotely usefull.
HoD
It's +15% to fire skill damage. That means the damage done by fire skills go up 15%. ie. If HF did 100 damage, it now does 115.
EDIT: Add the -20% fire resist from HoJ and -125% from Conviction and I think you'll be doing some serious damage. That's a 160% damage increase on Holy Fire.
Oh, while we're discussing dragonscale, what does this mean:
+15 To Fire Skill Damage
Is it 15 extra damage for every skill that has fire? if so, its kinda useless imo.
And seriously, lvl10 hydra's without mastery will have 59-74damage, thats not even remotely usefull.
It's the same thing as on Facets, etc (so +15% fire damage). Counts towards Fire Mastery.
The Hydra would require a large bunch of +all skill/+fire skill items combined with high level charges of Firebolt. Fireball charges would be usable also but they don't come on rings... It would still suck though.
Kirby Hunter
09-06-2004, 13:48
It's the same thing as on Facets, etc (so +15% fire damage). Counts towards Fire Mastery.
The Hydra would require a large bunch of +all skill/+fire skill items combined with high level charges of Firebolt. Fireball charges would be usable also but they don't come on rings... It would still suck though.
O.o
MMMM
Its not really for duels i'd assume
unless you want a funky templar
Foh+Fireball+Hydras+Smite I'd assume=)
Herald of Doom
09-06-2004, 13:52
Oh right, I see. So dragonscale on its own isnt very usefull at all, but combine it with the runeword Hand of Justice(SurChamAmnLo, which is way to expensive imo :D) so you could use conviction and then it gets good. Well, perhaps not good, but better. Hmm, alright, I'll have to rethink what the most useless item is then, although dragonscale is only good for one very weird build ^.^
HoD
[Limitless]
09-06-2004, 14:13
Oh right, I see. So dragonscale on its own isnt very usefull at all, but combine it with the runeword Hand of Justice(SurChamAmnLo, which is way to expensive imo :D) so you could use conviction and then it gets good. Well, perhaps not good, but better. Hmm, alright, I'll have to rethink what the most useless item is then, although dragonscale is only good for one very weird build ^.^
HoD
wierd, but hilarious if i ever saw it. some rich guy with extra high runes lying around should go try this for fun :lol:
I was tempted to make it into a duel build but since I didn't know if 2x holy fire would stack I didn't go for it.... yet.
Hmm, it'd probably be pretty fun with Zeal, the caster zealot build has been revealed to the public!
what about FoH and its Sinergy instead of Smite? that could work.
']wierd, but hilarious if i ever saw it. some rich guy with extra high runes lying around should go try this for fun :lol:
You can always use an editor in single player to test it out before you make an investment in it on battle.net
Soepgroente
09-06-2004, 16:58
what about FoH and its Sinergy instead of Smite? that could work.
Yowza! Place hydra's around yourself to scare off the opponents, then kill'm with FoH as they're dodging :D
I could actually see some potential in this build!
Yowza! Place hydra's around yourself to scare off the opponents, then kill'm with FoH as they're dodging :D
I could actually see some potential in this build!
Actually, it'd be hilarious if teamed up with a fire sorc -- what hydras would deal 1000ish damage and what'd deal 100ish damage? Forcing the opponent to play rather defensive.
EDIT: I've decided this will be my 8th PvP char, finally I've found a fun enough build to fill my PvP account! Yay, mad props to HoD for starting this thread and getting the attention to the "useless" Dragonscale... giggle. :clap:
What'd be the best, Zeal or FoH to compliment this? I could see both having their advantages, zeal would of course give you some really nice melee, and FoH (if combined with something like Ormus) could also dish out some nice ranged damage.
And is it final that the weapon would be a HoJ, it'd be nice in a scepter I think, +3 FoH, +3 Holy Shield. Mmm.
Well, I suggested one crazy idea and everyone here turned it into something that is viable. Good job, now only if we can find someone rich enough to make HOJ and try this build out.
are you absolutely positive that the holy fire aura on HoJ recieves bonuses's from synergies allowing you to use a different aura entirely? i was told that does not work. Either way I dont think level 16 holy fire would be an impressive amount of damage even when synergized. these kind of aura needed to be maxed out like mad to achieve their true potential. ie level 40+ holy fire plus synergies plus mad fireskill enhancing gear can get upto 10k fire damage. If it does, this makes me rethink my frost zealot to try and go with fana + doom zerker + holy freeze synergies.
lets say we got 2k fire damage like was mentioned. That + conviction = about 2k fire damage every time since resistances are gonna be cut down so much. Now lets say we used our own aura and got it to a nice level with +skills etc... lets say level 38. Ive heard a good amount monsters have about 50% resistance in hell so that seems like a good number to go with. So we're dealing 8k-10k fire damage with our aura, and with their resist, the least damage we would be doing is 4k-5k, which is still higher. However thats completely based on pvm, I guess in pvp the conviction route would be much more effective.
P.S. anyone tried a holy fire kuko ranger? 10k fire explosion damage seems pretty appealing.
P.S. anyone tried a holy fire kuko ranger? 10k fire explosion damage seems pretty appealing.
It surely is. :D
The Holy Fires DOES receive bonus from synergies, however it's locked at level 17. I don't see the Holy Fire as the main killer, but more like a really nice back, I've tested with SP, and I seem to get around 900 fire damage added to melee. Which isn't all that bad considering -170 fire resist from HoJ and Conviction, the real killer IMO is the threat of Zeal/Conviction/Fire to ward off melee, and FoH/Hydra to put on ranged presure.
PS:
Dragon Shield, Shako, Ormu, all with Lightning or Fire Facets: Max Holy Fire, 1 in salvation - isn't really worth it.
Fire Facets: Melee: (before fire, 1237) 2088 + FoH: 4158
Lightning Facets: Melee: (before fire, 1277) 1962 + FoH: 4700
If going the FoH route, you're better off using Lightning Facets, IMO. :)
PS2: The build is quite strong in PvM, gets by easily with zeal/fire/conviction.
xpumafangx
09-06-2004, 19:58
I wish I read this tread sooner. I thought dragon scale had a use for some thing. But what I thought was with conviction and hrydas. Who would have thought holy fire/zealot. What not use vengence?
O ya I want one now. Thanks
This idea isn't all that new. I made a thread about it a week or so ago.
http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=198346
I never really considered Dragonscale as I figured HoZ would be better.
skills given by certain items like the beast runeword and the hand of justice runeword, DO NOT recieve bonuses from syergnies, +skill items, or points into the skill, or even +%to fire skill
skills given by certain items like the beast runeword and the hand of justice runeword, DO NOT recieve bonuses from syergnies, +skill items, or points into the skill, or even +%to fire skill
So my display is just lying?
This idea isn't all that new. I made a thread about it a week or so ago.
http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=198346
I never really considered Dragonscale as I figured HoZ would be better.
Dragonscale's 15% fire damage adds roughly 250 extra Holy Fire damage (yes, remember the +str and 370 max fire dam from shield).
--No offense, but that build idea is pretty inferiour to this I think, in that thread the ideas were too focused on melee, and not the caster aspect.
The way I see the future of this build is a very strong elementary zealot caster variant. As Conviction would be the main aura it's pretty important to max it and if possible use Offensive charms - to overwrite enemies Conviction - the high conviction would most likely allow you to get by with relative low AR, and thusly lets you pretty much ignore passive BA.
The main offense of the build, is probably that of a Templar - FoH, and the defense will be a field of hydras and a suprisingly strong melee. Yes, I hear you say, "But Jek, those pityful Hydra's will spit 150ish damage! and you'll only hit 700ish fire damage!". Translated to pvp: Hydra=25 and melee: 115ish.
Well, at first this doesn't look at that powerful, but then remember conviction will knock off 150 resists, and HoJ another 20. That's 170 right there, and with most players not stacking fire resist very high you're in for some serious payback. (plus your 20 pvp pulses get all the more scarier).
This build's strength would be most people can't stack against fire AND lightning, punish those to resists your FoH and those who resists your Holy Fire.
sidenote: I know I might be too hyped, but I think it could have some potentionel, anyway I'll make one. :)
my numbers are from 20 resist fire and 1 salvation.
EDIT: Henceforth I'll call this build an Inquisitor, as a humble nod of recognizition to GentlemanLoser on TAB, who was the first I heard of to talk about HoJ/Conviction, he called his build an Inquisitor, and thus I will to. :)
you werent lying you were mis-informed
you werent lying you were mis-informed
It boosts damage on my screen when I place points in the resist fire. :scratch:
jek obviously you dont have very much ingfo about hand of justice because you are talking about having ar jproblems and hoj has itd, the only effect that it has that will help the holy fire, is - 20/% to fire res. And you are not going to have any skill points left to max FoH, so youre not going to be able to make a templar/inquisitor
jek obviously you dont have very much ingfo about hand of justice because you are talking about having ar jproblems and hoj has itd, the only effect that it has that will help the holy fire, is - 20/% to fire res. And you are not going to have any skill points left to max FoH, so youre not going to be able to make a templar/inquisitor
I'm talking PvP, AR matters. Trust me, I know HoJ has ITD, been using it for quite some time on one of my lightning amazons. :)
The Holy Fire damage, granted by HoJ DOES in fact go up when I boost resist fire on my paladin - on my screen at least.
Armor_Biff
09-06-2004, 22:29
Jek, dont listen to them, I believe you. I have a Doom warspike and I've maxed cold resist to boost the level 12 holy freeze on it, salvation works also. Damage goes up when investing points to the synergies of holy freeze (or holy fire if using Hand of Justice). Why would the damage displayed on the char screen go up if the synergies didnt work ? There is even a Faq stickied on this forum which says that it works.
Jek, dont listen to them, I believe you. I have a Doom warspike and I've maxed cold resist to boost the level 12 holy freeze on it, salvation works also. Damage goes up when investing points to the synergies of holy freeze (or holy fire if using Hand of Justice). Why would the damage displayed on the char screen go up if the synergies didnt work ? There is even a Faq stickied on this forum which says that it works.
Thanks for the support! :)
This pala is so much fun in SP right now, can't wait to get a Dragonscale for my online version. :D
The screen is buggy at times. Can you check if the damage done to a monster also goes up with synergy points? I don't really have an editor at home to test it...
The screen is buggy at times. Can you check if the damage done to a monster also goes up with synergy points? I don't really have an editor at home to test it...
I'm at it, will hack the test sword to deal 0 physical damage, and have a higher level Holy Fire - to make the %-damage show more clearly.
EDIT: Here are my results.
Level 30 Holy Fire granted by a Crystal sword.
Without synergies it displayed 400ish damage, with synergies it was in the 2100ish range. No damage from other sources - IE. no DS, CB or other elementary damage sources.
Without synergies, barely scratching an Urdar.
With synergies, considerable more damage. Also killing the ghosts in A4 hell in three hits, doubt that's possible with unsynergied level 30 Holy Fire, but it's untested with unsyngerized.
Conclussion so far:
Synergies: :winner:
Nay-sayers: :worship:
Could this be a possible new PvP build? :)
Could this be a possible new PvP build?Maybe not a new concept but it will at least make a good variation.
Maybe not a new concept but it will at least make a good variation.
Yea, I know, it kind of appears like a V/T, just helluva more unique and interesting. :)
Only problem is it relies so much on HoJ, heh, those babies are quite expensive. BUT I WILL NOT GIVE UP.
*scours the trade forum for Sur rune*
oh... you only require a sur? i'm not that fortunate atm, lol
hashmalum9
10-06-2004, 06:22
*Yawn* Youre so wrapped up in this godly new build that you seen to have forgotten certain things like DR.. your own res.. AR.. What is the exact skill template and item setup you are going to aim for? List plz.
Kirby Hunter
10-06-2004, 07:27
*Yawn* Youre so wrapped up in this godly new build that you seen to have forgotten certain things like DR.. your own res.. AR.. What is the exact skill template and item setup you are going to aim for? List plz.
Pssh O_o Can all be gotten from charms ^_^Dotn wreck the moment
Helm:Probably SHako with Fire facet(has +2 ALL)
Shield:Dragonscale
Ammy:maras or nice paladin
Rings:2 Soj or Bk
Belt:Spiderweb sash or Verdungos
Weapon:unique jagged Star ///A nice jeweled Sword(fire facets,light facets), HOJ
Glove:Maybe Magefist, Bloodfist
Boots:water walks?Sandstorms?
Charms:a few Combats, Rest life/mana/Res charms, a few r/w charms
Skill Set
20 Foh
20 Holy shock
1~10 or more in conviction(only need lvl 25 max)
Holy shield
A few points into Vigor
1 into Meditation
IO_o A new ty pe of mage that uses Fireballs/Holy fire from Hoj//Foh//Hydras to kill in pvp?
*Yawn* Youre so wrapped up in this godly new build that you seen to have forgotten certain things like DR.. your own res.. AR.. What is the exact skill template and item setup you are going to aim for? List plz.
DR - taken care of by Shako/CoA and Verdungo's and Bers. I think I'mma go with two bers and CoA for a nice 46% Physical Damage reduce. :)
Here's what I'm thinking about right now:
Inquisitor, level 85:
Helmet> Crown of the Ages [Ber, Ber]
Amulet> Mara's
BodyAr> 15% Fire and Lightning Ormu's Robes [Resist All + Ias]
Gloves> Blood Fist
FeetAr> Sandstorm Trek
Finger> Ravenfrost
Finger> BulKathos
WaistA> Verdungo 15%
Weapon> Hand of Justice Phase Blade
Shield> Dragonscale [Resist All + Ias]
--Enchant Switch--
Weapon> Demonlimb
Information:
46% Physical Damage Reduction
75% Chance to Block
4 FPA Zeal (6.2 attacks per second)
-175 Fire Resistance
-150 All Other
Skills: 25 + x + y / 35
1 Zeal
20 Fist of Heaven
x Conviction
y Holy Shield
1 Charge
1 Vigor
1 Meditate
1 Defiance
Synergies: 40
20 Resist Fire
20 Holy Shock
Pre-Reqs: 11
1 smite
1 Sacrifice
1 Conversion
1 Might
1 Prayer
1 Cleansing
1 Blessed Hammer
1 Holy Bolt
1 Holy Fire
1 Holy Freeze
1 Thorns
1 Sanctuary
Kirby Hunter
10-06-2004, 10:55
DR - taken care of by Shako/CoA and Verdungo's and Bers. I think I'mma go with two bers and CoA for a nice 46% Physical Damage reduce. :)
Here's what I'm thinking about right now:
Inquisitor, level 85:
Helmet> Crown of the Ages [Ber, Ber]
Amulet> Mara's
BodyAr> 15% Fire and Lightning Ormu's Robes [Resist All + Ias]
Gloves> Blood Fist
FeetAr> Sandstorm Trek
Finger> Ravenfrost
Finger> BulKathos
WaistA> Verdungo 15%
Weapon> Hand of Justice Phase Blade
Shield> Dragonscale [Resist All + Ias]
--Enchant Switch--
Weapon> Demonlimb
Information:
46% Physical Damage Reduction
75% Chance to Block
4 FPA Zeal (6.2 attacks per second)
-175 Fire Resistance
-150 All Other
Skills: 25 + x + y / 35
1 Zeal
20 Fist of Heaven
x Conviction
y Holy Shield
1 Charge
1 Vigor
1 Meditate
1 Defiance
Synergies: 40
20 Resist Fire
20 Holy Shock
Pre-Reqs: 11
1 smite
1 Sacrifice
1 Conversion
1 Might
1 Prayer
1 Cleansing
1 Blessed Hammer
1 Holy Bolt
1 Holy Fire
1 Holy Freeze
1 Thorns
1 Sanctuary
Jek, why zeal?Zeal=No good most of the time unless you get the proper Gear
I'd suggest going with smite for more dmg///ITD(no ar problems)itd doesnt work in pvp apparently////STUN! It would make you somewhat like a vt/mage
I might suggest the use of hammers?Im sure if you lossened up on other skills (just slighty)U could reach at least a 3~5k hammer, making u alot more powerful o.o Use Hydras for stun and cover, foh to make them Come, Hammer fields for protection, and smash them with your shield^^*
Jek, why zeal?Zeal=No good most of the time unless you get the proper Gear
I'd suggest going with smite for more dmg///ITD(no ar problems)itd doesnt work in pvp apparently////STUN! It would make you somewhat like a vt/mage
I might suggest the use of hammers?Im sure if you lossened up on other skills (just slighty)U could reach at least a 3~5k hammer, making u alot more powerful o.o Use Hydras for stun and cover, foh to make them Come, Hammer fields for protection, and smash them with your shield^^*
The problem is smite doesn't transfer the elemental damage from Holy Fire :(, zeal should hit okayish with a conviction aura to reduce their defense.
Blessed Hammers might be a possibility, hmm, will look into that! Thanks! :D
Herald of Doom
10-06-2004, 12:25
I think I should get a medal or something for starting all this. Soon the Dragonscale will be worth more then HoZ, and Inquisitors shall be the new cookie-cutter build !
On a more serious note, it's starting to like very nice. It should surprise a lot of people (zeal with fire+foh and conviction is hard to resist) and be a lot of fun to play. Try dodging hydra's, foh, and when your close zeal/hammers :D
Now y'all go find a sur, and test this :yep:
Perhaps I should post something about Halabard reign in the barb forum, perhaps they could find a new build too ^.^
HoD
Perhaps I should post something about Halabard reign in the barb forum, perhaps they could find a new build too ^.^
HoD
Haha, that'd be awesome! Suddenly we'll see the realm swarmed by funky singer barbs and inquisitors! :D
Your my new personal hero for getting the attention to Dragonscale. :winner: :buddies: :clap:
Kirby Hunter
10-06-2004, 13:56
Haha, that'd be awesome! Suddenly we'll see the realm swarmed by funky singer barbs and inquisitors! :D
Your my new personal hero for getting the attention to Dragonscale. :winner: :buddies: :clap:
O_o Love me too
I want love O_o I t old HoD About how nice it was
O_O Love me
YomoKimyata
10-06-2004, 16:54
you want some real fun? how about wearing dragonscale with 2 or more pieces of Trang Oul's set. You cannot use the cantor trophy, but you'll be using dragonscale anyway. You will be one fiery paladin, I'll tell you what!
Then again, I am the guy who made a Vengeance paladin just so I could find a use for Medusa's Gaze, the second most useless unique in 1.10.
Metroid_01
10-06-2004, 17:20
And seriously, lvl10 hydra's without mastery will have 59-74damage, thats not even remotely usefull.
HoD
Who said anything about useful? i just think they are damn cool lol..plus they may not do alot but can be used strategically to manipulate your apponent (most people will avoid stuff flyin at them ;))
Herald of Doom
10-06-2004, 17:52
O_o Love me too
I want love O_o I t old HoD About how nice it was
O_O Love me
You're not getting any loving, it's all mine !
@Metroid: I know believe the hydras have a purpose. One, they distract, which is always good. Two, they might even chip away some life with conviction. And three, they do look cool :D
@Yomo: It would be fun, but not very effective. It would make a very well themed char, so if anyone is crazy enough to waste sur cham lo ? :)
HoD
YomoKimyata
10-06-2004, 18:37
You're not getting any loving, it's all mine !
@Metroid: I know believe the hydras have a purpose. One, they distract, which is always good. Two, they might even chip away some life with conviction. And three, they do look cool :D
@Yomo: It would be fun, but not very effective. It would make a very well themed char, so if anyone is crazy enough to waste sur cham lo ? :)
HoD
Trang Belt and gloves gets you +18 fireball. In addition to another ranged attack, that is +54% damage to your hydras (which still sucks, I realize). Trade out your Ravenfrost for an additional BK ring/SoJ. If you are going with a caster-type build, I don't see how you are losing much of anything by going this route. You lose some PDR on the Verdungo, and you lose a little net life in exchange for fire synergies and some FCR.
Do +skills work for the hydra of dragonscale? Would 2XBK rings increase the level of hydra by 2?
Armor_Biff
10-06-2004, 19:49
Do +skills work for the hydra of dragonscale? Would 2XBK rings increase the level of hydra by 2?
Yes, + to all skills and + to fire skills (as long as it doesnt say "sorc only") works for the hydra from dragonscale. Equip mara's amulet, 2 bul-kathos rings, arachnid mesh and harlequin crest, and you'll have a level 17 hydra. Or does someone think that its another display error ??
YomoKimyata
10-06-2004, 20:19
Nice, I think I am going to make one of these bad boys w/Trang's gloves and belt for the fireball and synergy to hydra, focus on +fire skills. Since every paladin seems to have to have a classification, this will be a Yomadin.
Yes, + to all skills and + to fire skills (as long as it doesnt say "sorc only") works for the hydra from dragonscale. Equip mara's amulet, 2 bul-kathos rings, arachnid mesh and harlequin crest, and you'll have a level 17 hydra. Or does someone think that its another display error ??
It is not a display error but is part of the game: http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/skills/basics.shtml
shotgun666uk
10-06-2004, 20:53
Haha, that'd be awesome! Suddenly we'll see the realm swarmed by funky singer barbs and inquisitors! :D
Your my new personal hero for getting the attention to Dragonscale. :winner: :buddies: :clap:
As cool as this build looks I doubt it will be the next hammerdin, the HoJ is just way too expensive for most of us... and you really cant make it work without it.
Respect though for a top idea
toolthegod
11-06-2004, 00:19
hmmmm.... :scratch:
What about a 2 socketed Dijinn slayer, with 2 facets??
whouldn't that be a good choice too? or would the cost be about the same for ladder?
hmmmm.... :scratch:
What about a 2 socketed Dijinn slayer, with 2 facets??
whouldn't that be a good choice too? or would the cost be about the same for ladder?
Nah I think Upgraded Hexfire would work better.
i have been testing this build and i have noticed some things:
-+2 to all skills adds about same amount of damage as 15% ormus, so enigma would be much better choice
-make sure you get items with +to all skills, not pally skills, these do not increase hydra damage
-trang oul's fireball combo DOES NOT synergize the hydra. the fireball is an added plus though, adding yet another skill to killing arsenal. lvl 6 charge of fire bolt ring adds VERY VERY good amounts of damage to hydra. about 20 damage average.
- with lvl 1 zeal you will murder monsters with HoJ, it has ignore target def so no AR issues. do not use zeal in pvp since your AR with be around 1k. i do fine with 5 frame zeal. along with FoH, Conviction, fire damage + fire radius, zeal, hydra, and fireball(optional) , very hard char to get used to.
basic setup:
helm: griffon's eye socket with fire facet
armor: enigma dusk shroud
weapon: HoJ phaseblade
shield: dragon scale -15 req 15 res
glove: magefist
belt: arachnid mesh
boots: sandstorm trek or rare dupe boot
rings: 1x soj/bk/raven frost, 1x 10 cast lvl 6 firebolt ring
ammy: mara's
charms: combat with life, offensive are a waist sence it uses HoJ's lvl 16 holy fire. offensives may be useful if opponent stacks resists
*make sure you achieve at least 75 % cast rate. like this: magefist, arachnid, 10 cast lvl 6 firebolt ring, and griffons eye. try using griffons eye it has 1 to all skill (boost hydra) 25 cast and it increases foh damage.
*use hydra for pvp only, not very good in pvm
* you have to cast hydra then turn on conviction. -.-
skills:
max holy shock
max foh
max resist fire
max conviction
res into salvation, or holy shield.
very very very wierd build, i have only tested on open, so i have no idea how it would fair PVP wise. you would basically play as FOH with hydra backup. maybe fireball if you wish on losing cast rate. it's a blast to play in pvm though, theres so many skills you can use to kill your enemy.
ura_loser
11-06-2004, 07:28
You can always use an editor in single player to test it out before you make an investment in it on battle.net
thats what i normally did too in .09 with jamella
by the way where can i find a editor for 1.10?
If anyone wants to emphasize the fire damage of fireballs from Trang Ouls partial set bonus, then get rings with firebolt charges plus moonfall. That unique exceptional mace has level 11 meteor charges which really helps out the damage. I use one on my hybrid firesorc and it gives a bigger bonus than eschuta or oculus for instance, though that could be partially related to the fact that I emphasized more on my cold tab and gotten +coldskills rather than +all or +fire.
Maces are very interesting sorceress weapons nowadays. You can do similar things for cold and lightning skills by equipping Sureshrill Frost (lvl 9 orb charges) or Baezil's Vortex (lvl 15 Nova charges)
bah, i was in a game earlier today when someone was pimping an etheral dragonscale, i should have offered him a few pgems just to mess around with this build :rant:
Kirby Hunter
11-06-2004, 13:02
If anyone wants to emphasize the fire damage of fireballs from Trang Ouls partial set bonus, then get rings with firebolt charges plus moonfall. That unique exceptional mace has level 11 meteor charges which really helps out the damage. I use one on my hybrid firesorc and it gives a bigger bonus than eschuta or oculus for instance, though that could be partially related to the fact that I emphasized more on my cold tab and gotten +coldskills rather than +all or +fire.
Maces are very interesting sorceress weapons nowadays. You can do similar things for cold and lightning skills by equipping Sureshrill Frost (lvl 9 orb charges) or Baezil's Vortex (lvl 15 Nova charges)
^^ Yep
that what i was talking about earlier and the unique jagged star
Just my 2 cents,
I think hydras would still be useful even if they don't deal major damage by stunting you enemy. I don't know if it still works but they use to get you in FHR animation even at a low level
Weltkriegpally
11-06-2004, 18:46
something I have tested....2-3 hydras+ smite=stunlock. It isn't very nice, but trust me, they won't be doing anything to fight back.
--welt
Herald of Doom
11-06-2004, 19:18
Haha, good news, I found someone willing to make a HoJ for this, he has all the rest. After this weekend we should have some test results if he doesn't chicken out :D
HoD
Why not go..........
20 holy freeze
20 fire res
20 cold res
20 zeal
5 holy shield
15 sacrifice/defiance
then its a..........
holy freeze/fire zealot! haha lol
thats what i normally did too in .09 with jamella
by the way where can i find a editor for 1.10?
Check your PMs
Swordguy
12-06-2004, 20:21
Check your PMs
could ya hook me up with one of those too? :wave:
oh , and great build...when I saw this particular shield on d2data.net i was wondering why i never heard about it...and how it was so rare
ive tried somethign liek this on my vt i was playing with my friend's fire sorc ina pubby
i had trangs and dragonscale
kinda funny wtf 1k damage fireball..then another hits you...wtf 2 damage ><"""
skygoneblue
15-06-2004, 19:20
This may be a bit off topic, but I have a DragonScale on SC USE Ladder if anyone wants it. I'll give you a steal! :D
Acct Name: SkyGoneBlue
Email: lpbro@hotmail
~Kazama Fury~
16-06-2004, 03:51
cpg, can you post the stats and everything about your build on open?
knowing the numbers can give somewhat a better idea for PvP wise.
this build seems interesting, perhaps ill let soemone else try out a fun build this time, i want to make an actual build for my next char. i guess enchant run for ch soon!
I actually made an FoH paladin with Dragonscale in mind... for the most part I had always thought of an FoH pally to be a PvP character only, and I wanted to change that. I figured for lightning immunes, use hydras... and it worked... just not as well as I had hoped... the hydra damage was far too low to be very effective against monsters, and it killed rather slowly, even with Conviction...
On the plus side, it made dueling incredibly easy and fun... and also got a few "Woah you're using Dragonscale?"s. The hydras+Conviction did plenty of fire damage to kill in PvP... and quickly I might add. And although my FoH damage improved drastically when I switched back to HoZ, that Dragonscale just seemed much more fun. I guess that just goes to show that maximum damage doesn't always mean maximum fun. :scratch:
Soepgroente
16-06-2004, 12:59
What about:
20 fist of heavens
25 conviction with items
20 holy shock
20 holy shield
rest in resist fire/vigor
You'd smite the enemy once so he gets stunned, then hydra's + conviction + smite + FoH oughta kill him. Grab combat charms. You get a decent charge, powerful FoH, nice holy fire, hydra's, decent smite etc :teeth:
Neat :D
china boy
16-06-2004, 15:16
Check your PMs
I need one too, please. I tried to build a hydra Sorceress online because I couldn't get an SP editor...it didn't go so well. Lol. Plus, I want to try a Holy Fire Zealot. I always loved Zealots. Or maybe I can make my first FoH with Conviction and Hydra. Sounds fun!
I salute you Herald of Doom (and Jak for testing it). :worship: :worship:
One worshiper for each of you. :D
inkanddagger
16-06-2004, 20:04
okay, whats exactly been tested as far as the lvl 16 fire aura from the runeword synergizing with resist fire?
you have to put a point into holy fire to get conviction, so won't that in effect ruin the ability to synergize the lvl 16 fire aura with resist fire?
okay, whats exactly been tested as far as the lvl 16 fire aura from the runeword synergizing with resist fire?
you have to put a point into holy fire to get conviction, so won't that in effect ruin the ability to synergize the lvl 16 fire aura with resist fire?
If you use HoJ and put points in Resist Fire, the damage on the Holy Fire aura given to you by HoJ will go up. A few people including myself have tested this. +skill do not increase the Holy Fire damage by HoJ.
inkanddagger
16-06-2004, 21:26
If you use HoJ and put points in Resist Fire, the damage on the Holy Fire aura given to you by HoJ will go up. A few people including myself have tested this. +skill do not increase the Holy Fire damage by HoJ.
that isnt what i was asking.
i was stating that it should be impossible to use conviction stacked with the lvl 16 hoj aura and have that aura synergize, because you have to actually invest a skill point into holy fire in order to get conviction.
It doesn't work that way.
inkanddagger
16-06-2004, 21:55
It doesn't work that way.
so in other words it doesnt work like the marrowalk thing wher eif you invest a skill point the synergy wont work?
you can actually invest points into fire and have it still work?
thats so beast.
~Kazama Fury~
16-06-2004, 23:52
you're looking at this upside down.
marrowwalk works as you use a skill which you manually put a pt in that has been synergized by the lvl 33 bone prison.
HoJ gives a lvl 16 holy fire, which grants you the ability to use another aura. in this case, conviction. Its a level 16 aura, its not even charges, like marrowalk or carrion wind.
The holy fire isnt a synergy for an attack, say HoJ had CHARGES for sanctuary (which doesnt make sense, but just to put it in your context), then putting a pt in sanctuary will ruin it. Putting a pt in holy fire doesnt mean anything, as long as you dont use that 1 pt in holy fire aura, and let the aura from HoJ work, and you will be fine. Get what i mean? You dont have ur holy fire activated, its the aura from HoJ that is. Has nothing to do wether you put a pt in it or not.
inkanddagger
17-06-2004, 01:52
you're looking at this upside down.
marrowwalk works as you use a skill which you manually put a pt in that has been synergized by the lvl 33 bone prison.
HoJ gives a lvl 16 holy fire, which grants you the ability to use another aura. in this case, conviction. Its a level 16 aura, its not even charges, like marrowalk or carrion wind.
The holy fire isnt a synergy for an attack, say HoJ had CHARGES for sanctuary (which doesnt make sense, but just to put it in your context), then putting a pt in sanctuary will ruin it. Putting a pt in holy fire doesnt mean anything, as long as you dont use that 1 pt in holy fire aura, and let the aura from HoJ work, and you will be fine. Get what i mean? You dont have ur holy fire activated, its the aura from HoJ that is. Has nothing to do wether you put a pt in it or not.
In this case I am suprised there arent a lotf of people doing this with both HoJ and Doom already. Now all I have to do is find a phase blade for my HoJ.
Also, on a side note, I have been experimenting with Dragonscale as a smite shield, and I've had a lot of success using the hydra skill to stun lock people. I even managed to lay to waste a Doom(r) Smiter who was geared much better than me.
I was thinking maybe Lay Hydras,smite once, then zeal away.
Another thing I was considering is a variation of a Judicator that uses fire skills granted by items instead of FoH. This would leave room for a higher level smite and hammers.
Of course they would scoff at me in the temple for using cross class skills, but maybe not in palapk or something where everyone is bad manners. (not that i consider weak *** fireballs and hydras bad manners, they really aren't. curses and Bo are another matter).
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