View Full Version : Ideal equitpment for Frost Zealot?
xlodtraderx
09-06-2004, 00:15
Well...the thing is that the Frost Zealot guide only mentioned setups that are ideally obtainable...but im sure there are better items that he didnt mention because the build was focusing on using cheap stuff. But i can afford anything...so im just wondeirng what would be the best setup for a frost zealot...I was thinking:
Eth botd zerker or beast zerker (i need help on the weapon)
CoH archon
COA 2 sockets /w 2x ed/ias jewls depending on the weapon
2x BK rings
Verdungos
Gore riders
Highlords ammy
Eth exile or HOZ ( i need help on this too)
Steel rends or nice crafted gloves with ias + crushing blow depending on wep
Any help would be appreciated thnx. Btw...im looking to balance phys dmg and cold dmg....i was hoping for something like around 6k phys dmg, 2k cold dmg...and would cold faucets help much?
Euro-Crash
09-06-2004, 00:39
Well...the thing is that the Frost Zealot guide only mentioned setups that are ideally obtainable...but im sure there are better items that he didnt mention because the build was focusing on using cheap stuff. But i can afford anything...so im just wondeirng what would be the best setup for a frost zealot...I was thinking:
Eth botd zerker or beast zerker (i need help on the weapon)
CoH archon
COA 2 sockets /w 2x ed/ias jewls depending on the weapon
2x BK rings
Verdungos
Gore riders
Highlords ammy
Eth exile or HOZ ( i need help on this too)
Steel rends or nice crafted gloves with ias + crushing blow depending on wep
Any help would be appreciated thnx. Btw...im looking to balance phys dmg and cold dmg....i was hoping for something like around 6k phys dmg, 2k cold dmg...and would cold faucets help much?
There are several recommendations made in this forum regarding optimum equipment...however, this is something that is based solely on style of play. BOTD is not a good choice for your frosty, and BEAST though a good weapon was something I personally did not like. Depending on how you want to STYLE your build you may want to take a look at Kitiara's Guide which is posted in the strategy compendium. I believe he makes some excellent gear recommendations as well...
that gear is more suited towards a fana zealot.
It really depends what kind of frost zealot you'd like to make. Lots of cold damage? or one with crushing blow. the crushing blow way is much cheaper and just as effective.
xlodtraderx
09-06-2004, 04:32
well...wealth isnt a concern...just efficiency. New equipment changes:
Eth botd zerker or beast zerker (I STILL need help on choosing the weapon)
CoH archon
COA 2 sockets /w 2x ed/ias jewls depending on the weapon
2x BK rings
Verdungos
Gore riders
Highlords ammy
HOZ
20 ias/ 3 ll / 10% crushing blow/ 9 dext / risists crafted gloves
That should give me 45% crushing blow (all i need) and if im facing act bosses i'll put on gulums face to have 80% crushing blow. But the question is still...what weapon??
Omikron8
09-06-2004, 05:01
Wouldn't a 3/2 ethereal perfect heaven's light with zod+shael be better? That should give 100% CB?
id recommend beast caduceus over the botd. it'l give you fana, 40ias on a -10 base speed weapon. Can achieve 4fps easily. It also has 20% cb which is excellent, and can come with +paladin skill mods.
ivan_elverlund
09-06-2004, 09:19
Quick question -
Should the merc use Doom polearm? Would the -enemy cold res. work, when the merc have it?
If so - i would use beast caddy+doom merc!
(SiX)EasyKill
09-06-2004, 21:34
don't forget the Duress rune word, I've tested it on 2 zealot variants and absolutely love it. the CB and Open Wounds is great for pvm. Plus it's not too expensive. i've tried a wire fleece and a scarab husk so far.
The best weapon would indeed be a Heaven's Light. What you are doing with hose runewords, is trying to concentrate on physical damage, which is not the focus of the build. The focus is crushing blow and cold damage. Every single mod on the Heaven's Light is exactly what this build wants, with two sockets as a bonus.
I think the best armor without doubt for a frost zealot is Duress. Added cold damage, resists, and crushing blow.
I think IDEAL equipment would be:
Heaven's Light
Duress
Guillaume's Face
Gore Riders
Crafted "Blood" Gloves (with 20% IAS, and 10% crushing blow minimum)
HoZ
then fill in the rest as you see fit, probably to bolster resists.
xlodtraderx
09-06-2004, 23:35
well im not on laddar so :(. But i want to balance out physical with cold...like i said aiming for something like 4 - 6k physical and 2 k cold. Thnx alot for the commets so far though...looks like i'll be using a beast something :)
Am I missing something or wouldn't Doom Zerker be the best, the -50% cold res is awesome for a frost zealot.
paladinnewbie
10-06-2004, 01:23
Sorry, but heaven's light is not the best weapon for a frost zealot. Why? It has everything you could want, except that it's impossible to get a 4 frame zeal with it. A 5 frame zeal is 20% slower than a 4 frame zeal. This means that your TOTAL damage output is cut by 20%, your crushing blow is applied 20% less often, and your attacks are more likely to be inturrupted. (Think of this as: any weapon which is
For a frost zealot there's only two good weapons (that i know of) you're going to be able to achieve a 4 frame zeal with:
Beast Cadeceus (good option)
and Cresent Moon (best imo)
Am I missing something or wouldn't Doom Zerker be the best, the -50% cold res is awesome for a frost zealot.
I think you shoot yourself in the foot with the aura though, I belive the auras wouldnt stack but switch really screwing your damage (if I am correct).
xlodtraderx
10-06-2004, 02:57
naw i dont think auras switch...i've asked this question before and the answers were that the dominant aura is active (my own). So i guess i'll go with a beast then...thnx for the help guys
Euro-Crash
10-06-2004, 04:37
Sorry, but heaven's light is not the best weapon for a frost zealot. Why? It has everything you could want, except that it's impossible to get a 4 frame zeal with it. A 5 frame zeal is 20% slower than a 4 frame zeal. This means that your TOTAL damage output is cut by 20%, your crushing blow is applied 20% less often, and your attacks are more likely to be inturrupted. (Think of this as: any weapon which is
For a frost zealot there's only two good weapons (that i know of) you're going to be able to achieve a 4 frame zeal with:
Beast Cadeceus (good option)
and Cresent Moon (best imo)
True...however, I find that my Frost Zealot with a 5 frame zeal does just fine. Combined with the fact that he slows enemies by 58% with his aura, 10% with his belt and has a merc who decrepifies enemies and increase his chance to hit targets he simply does not get interrupted at all.
I ask you, just what exactly is going to interrupt his attack other than a group of 50-60 Hell Bovines herded over to you by weaker characters who refuse to stand still???
I think you shoot yourself in the foot with the aura though, I belive the auras wouldnt stack but switch really screwing your damage (if I am correct).
However, synergies will increase the damage of the Aura from Doom. Resist Fire increases the Holy Fire damage from Hand of Justice (it's been proven and I've tested it myself) so I see no reason why Resist Cold would not increase the damage from Holy Fire. Sure level 12 Holy Freeze is low, but you can put the points into Conviction instead. This way you don't have to worry about Cold Immunes and AR.
EDIT: Or you could use Fanatacism with Doom and pump up Zeal and Sacrifice.
Omikron8
10-06-2004, 07:47
Quick question -
Should the merc use Doom polearm? Would the -enemy cold res. work, when the merc have it?
If so - i would use beast caddy+doom merc!
The negative to enemy cold resistance will ONLY work with cold damage that the merc delivers himself (such as jabbing with the holy freeze aura weapon). The only way for the doom weapon to boost your cold damage is to equip it yourself.
so I see no reason why Resist Cold would not increase the damage from Holy Fire
Say what? I also don't see how Crescent Moon is anywhere near best for this build. Static on strike, wow, what, 7% of the time? And mediocre damage with no crushing blow, no + skills. Crescent Moon belongs on a Merc's polearm. I'll use a Scaefer's if want Static on strike, and It will smoke Crescent moon in damage, AND you can still socket it.
EDIT: Or you could use Fanatacism with Doom and pump up Zeal and Sacrifice.
Well this would not be a frost zealot then, now woult it? It would be a Zealot getting a bit of holy freeze from a weapon. You cannot even compare the damage output of a fully synergized level 12 HF, with a fully synergied lvl 26+ HF. I also pump up zeal and sacrifice, the points are avilable to do that.
You would also miss probably the most important attribute of the Frost Zealot, which is Crushing Blow.
By the way, slow is capped at 50%, so that extra 10% from your belt is worthless.
With that 20% damage loss calculation, your calculations lack merit. Put numbers in an equation, then look. I bet it will not be as close to 20% damage lost as you think. You also are thinking you hit every time. Heaven's light has - targets defense, which will help subsequent blows. To make you calculations based on hitting every time is flawed to start with, you are justthrowing the difference between a single variable out there, which in itself, is meaningless. A calculation on damage output must include at a minimum, your chance to hit, your crushing blow, your skill damage (HF and Fanat) Merc auras, tons of other things. To say a 5 frame zeal does 20% less than 4, when considering two different setups, is ignorant.
Now, Beast has crushing blow you say. Yes, not as much, it also lacks the +3 to skills, which adds hundreds of points to your HF cold damage, and well over 30% to your zeal damage (though you could say you make up for it with Fanat). You also lose those three points on Holy shield, which is probably the biggest downfall. Thus you start needing more dex for max block, and it compounds from there, plus losing more free defense.. In addition, you can still socket the heaven's light twice, allowing a vast number of combinations that you could tailor to beat out Beast. Anything from double Ber to IAS to ITD to PMH to double Ohm for more physical if you really wanted. Beast also has less CB than heaven's light. A beats Caudecus would also have less max damage than heaven's light, just by quickly looking at the numbers.
AND it is cheaper. But, on Non-ladder beats would be the way to go.
Bechy2k2
10-06-2004, 17:57
wouldnt a botd warspike bethe best weapon for frost zealot (doesnt need much extra IAS for 4 frame)
wouldnt a botd warspike bethe best weapon for frost zealot (doesnt need much extra IAS for 4 frame)
Well, if you want max damage zeal, don't make a frost zealot, simple as that. While BoTD is a great weapon, I think there are definitely better for this build.
However, synergies will increase the damage of the Aura from Doom. Resist Fire increases the Holy Fire damage from Hand of Justice (it's been proven and I've tested it myself) so I see no reason why Resist Cold would not increase the damage from Holy Fire. Sure level 12 Holy Freeze is low, but you can put the points into Conviction instead. This way you don't have to worry about Cold Immunes and AR.
EDIT: Or you could use Fanatacism with Doom and pump up Zeal and Sacrifice.
Is there a way to verify this? Not to bogart this tread, but Im making a fana pally with doom. I'll have extra points to put in res cold if this works.
UserMathias
10-06-2004, 21:57
Alas, someone in the same situation as me. But you should know there is one problem with beast berzerker axe.
Watch: 26 durability. 4fps zeal. Make it a normal berzerker axe and 1) it will break in 5 minutes, even less 2) it will cost you 185k gold to repair - this I know from experience.
I admit - its extremely powerful - at least for those 5 minutes you are a God, but then its like oh sh*t... For this reason I have sold it off and am now thinking of either of these:
Eternity in an etheral caduceus -
.Decent (260-310) %ed dmg.
.20 CB
.Indestructible: No need to repair the bloody thing!!! WOOHOO!!
.Slows the guy u hit 33%
.Cannot be Frozen: you just saved a wasted socket for a cham
.Replenish life
or eth Botd zerker, we all know this -
.disgusting ed%
.60ias
.30 all attributes
.and best of all... ITS INDESTRUCTIBLE! No need to repair the bloody thing!!! WOOHOO!!
Some of you guys say botd isnt good for this build. Why not?
Also - Heaven's Light sucks. You know why? Because its ladder only. :rant: ...Apart from that its ok :lol:
Edit: as to how to balance cold and physical, then I'll start with disagreeing with the "go pure cold idea" by pointing out cold immunes exist. Imo PvM chars should deal two sources of damage - with each being able to kill on its own.
Alas, someone in the same situation as me. But you should know there is one problem with beast berzerker axe.
Watch: 26 durability. 4fps zeal. Make it a normal berzerker axe and 1) it will break in 5 minutes, even less 2) it will cost you 185k gold to repair - this I know from experience.
I admit - its extremely powerful - at least for those 5 minutes you are a God, but then its like oh sh*t... For this reason I have sold it off and am now thinking of either of these:
Eternity in an etheral caduceus -
.Decent (260-310) %ed dmg.
.20 CB
.Indestructible: No need to repair the bloody thing!!! WOOHOO!!
.Slows the guy u hit 33%
.Cannot be Frozen: you just saved a wasted socket for a cham
.Replenish life
or eth Botd zerker, we all know this -
.disgusting ed%
.60ias
.30 all attributes
.and best of all... ITS INDESTRUCTIBLE! No need to repair the bloody thing!!! WOOHOO!!
Some of you guys say botd isnt good for this build. Why not?
Also - Heaven's Light sucks. You know why? Because its ladder only. :rant: ...Apart from that its ok :lol:
Edit: as to how to balance cold and physical, then I'll start with disagreeing with the "go pure cold idea" by pointing out cold immunes exist. Imo PvM chars should deal two sources of damage - with each being able to kill on its own.
You need 4 fpa zeal for a frostzealot so thoose weapons you mentioned wont cut it.
shotgun666uk
10-06-2004, 22:26
'what you need is an eth botd ba, enigma blah blah blah'
Im sick of hearing it. My frosty use's very cheap equipment (apart from a HoZ) and kicks the **** out everything but cold/physical immunes, check out the guide!
btw right up until I crafted some IAS/CB gloves he was using SIGON's belt and gloves... 30% IAS, 10% Life steal... got to be one of the best combo's of cheap items ive used
Say what? I also don't see how Crescent Moon is anywhere near best for this build. Static on strike, wow, what, 7% of the time? And mediocre damage with no crushing blow, no + skills. Crescent Moon belongs on a Merc's polearm. I'll use a Scaefer's if want Static on strike, and It will smoke Crescent moon in damage, AND you can still socket it.o.Not to say that Crescent moon is the best weapon for a frostzealot but 7 % to cast static field is plenty enough with a weapon that also posses ITD and can be easily wield at 4 fps. Dracul's grasp have a lower % to cast life tap and it fires off at about each 2 zeal sequence. Also, ITD fixes pretty much your attack rating problem and the physical damage does not matter much since the basic idea behhind Frostzeal/Tesladin is to deliever a high amount of elemental damage at a fast rate. ITD, is probably one of the most single important mod for that type of built. - % to defense enemy does not compare to ITD.
'what you need is an eth botd ba, enigma blah blah blah'
Im sick of hearing it. My frosty use's very cheap equipment (apart from a HoZ) and kicks the **** out everything but cold/physical immunes, check out the guide!
I would tend to agree with that statement...........
Alas, someone in the same situation as me. But you should know there is one problem with beast berzerker axe.
Watch: 26 durability. 4fps zeal. Make it a normal berzerker axe and 1) it will break in 5 minutes, even less 2) it will cost you 185k gold to repair - this I know from experience.
I admit - its extremely powerful - at least for those 5 minutes you are a God, but then its like oh sh*t... For this reason I have sold it off and am now thinking of either of these:
Considering I just made this, guess I'll need to carry a lot of Orts with me too :(
I may also use this on an avenger (though maybe Besat would be better).
UserMathias
10-06-2004, 23:23
Whats wrong with 5fpa? I mean, thats still good. Isn't it?......
What's with the Enigma? :scratch: I doubt that makes sense on a frost zealot, why are u talking about it? CoH however is really cool, I'd recommend that.
Well anyways, back to weapon. Well yes, I've checked the guide, and here are the best items:
#1. Heaven's Light: Ladder only...
Other:
Zakarum's Hand: Oooh... the maximum possible physical damage is a whopping 69-79. you won't kill anything cold immune with that.
General-tan-lo, and all the others - ditto (cold immunes r teh pwn u)
Crescent moon: Quite nice indeed. The ITD is very nice. Though I kinda (very) dislike having to repair items (how can u afford 185k every 5 minutes, ffs?) - what would the repair costs on it be and how often? Apart from that its damage is a little low.
Kingslayer: Decent. But still the same comments as above.
Edit: Considering I just made this, guess I'll need to carry a lot of Orts with me too :(
Yer, stock up heavily. My 12 went quickly, mind you. :lol:
Edit2: Just read Arathorn's comment in the strategy compendium - beast in a caddy. Heh, true enough 70 durability. Would be quite cool if it also had some +holy freeze :drool:
The problem with beast caddy is to find the damn scepter for starter and the runes are not exactly cheap.
Beast zerker costs around 26-30k to repair at least mine does. Just sell a piece of elite or high exceptional armor and ur set.
yea a caduceus is hella rare. ive only seen 1 white one drop on ladder and a couple magicals.
im currently offering an engima for a white or 5 socket caddy w/ +3 holy freeze. been doing so for over a month and no luck :( i will have this caddy eventually lol.
UserMathias
11-06-2004, 12:21
Beast zerker costs around 26-30k to repair at least mine does. Just sell a piece of elite or high exceptional armor and ur set.
No way! Why does mine cost 185k? (made in a normal berzerker axe).
Heh, true, caddys don't drop very often. Good luck to you Nexus with finding one with +3 holy freeze. I'll bet most people probably don't know their worth and just ignore caduceuses when they see them.
In the worst case you can just settle for a white caddy. Its sill good, I guess.
Anyone have an answer to why 5fpa is not good enough?
I've got both Beast (zerk) and Heaven's Light, and Beast is FAR better for my build. I have lvl 35 HF and rely mainly on crushing blow. Heaven's Light is far slower and you can really notice the difference.
I notice a lot of people saying crushing blow gloves are the best, but I really doubt anything can be better than Dracul's. Life Tap has saved my life more times than I can count.
PS. It costs under 20k to repair the zerk beast if you don't use the Griz charges.
Euro-Crash
12-06-2004, 08:42
Beast zerker costs around 26-30k to repair at least mine does. Just sell a piece of elite or high exceptional armor and ur set.
It costs substantially more if you use the Grizzly charges. I did that once and it cost 300,000+ to repair. OOPS! I repaired it and decided I liked my +3 Heaven's Light with 2 sockets much more.
(SiX)EasyKill
12-06-2004, 08:49
Crescent moon: Quite nice indeed. The ITD is very nice. Though I kinda (very) dislike having to repair items (how can u afford 185k every 5 minutes, ffs?) - what would the repair costs on it be and how often? Apart from that its damage is a little low.
If you put it in a phase blade, you'll never have to repair it and yes, the damage will be a bit low, but who cares? You have static charge and presumably crushing blow PLUS 4 fps to make up for the low damage.
*Insert Name Here*
14-06-2004, 08:56
Ok, quick question, i wanna make a Frost Zealot but i am more into the dueling scene. Would a Frost Zealot be a viable build for PvP? And if so could i get some suggestions on some gear. Thnx for any and all help.
xlodtraderx
14-06-2004, 15:24
why are people taking over my thread? I dont rly mind just in the future make ur own if u wanna ask another question...again i dont rly mind but this is for ur own benifit as some members might flip out on these types of things. As for the question...i personally dont think they'd be viabe just based on the fact that holy freeze is considered bm. Other than that...it would probably be pretty good if it wasnt facing a barb or ww sin
Have you guys ever thought of using azurewrath on a frostzealot? Adds a crapload of cold/magic damage and only needs 75 ias to get 4 fpa.
yea a caduceus is hella rare. ive only seen 1 white one drop on ladder and a couple magicals.
im currently offering an engima for a white or 5 socket caddy w/ +3 holy freeze. been doing so for over a month and no luck :( i will have this caddy eventually lol.
Wow, I wish I had known. I found a 5 socket caddy in the pit the other day, +2 holy shock and +1 redemption. Traded it for a Titan's Revenge and Mavina's item. Oh well . . . guess the next one will come when hell freezes over.
UserMathias
17-06-2004, 21:05
@xlodxtrader: and how are we messing everything up? We're discussing the Beast weapon - the ideal weapon for this build, the weapon youll want to have. Damnit! We're having an equipment discussion ffs!
As for the repair cost I think I recall casting that bear a few times :lol:
xlodtraderx
17-06-2004, 23:32
well my comment was actually directed at the person above me...but as i said, i dont rely care its not rly bothering me
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