View Full Version : My hybridzon okay?
DragonZeroX
06-06-2004, 19:10
20 LF
20 Strafe
20 Valk
20 Penerate
10 Pierce
5 CS
2 dodge, evade
1 avoid
9 presquities
120 str with items that gives more str
rest dex
100 vit
base energy
Is this build ok? If it has problems plz tell me thank you.....
Shanksie1337
06-06-2004, 19:17
hybrids aren't my forte, but it looks fine to me :D
flapserdk
06-06-2004, 20:59
I have an slvl 90 hybridzon, and she is a mean killer. Generally you build is ok, but you could make her more flexible and effective.
I dont understand why you want to max Penetrate. I have only spent 7 points in Penetrate, and I have no trouble hitting the monsters. Save some points here and put them in Piercing instead. If LF is your main attack, you should go for 100 % piercing.
I also think that you need another importent bow skill. I only put one point in FA (lvl 7 with skillers), and its still an awsome skill, because you can freeze the monsters. If you use FA with a Buriza they will stay frozen for a long time.
If you encounter a big mob of super fast LI monster, FA is a great life saver.
I would never max Valkyrie, because I only use her as a meat shield. My Valkyrie is lvl 11 (4 points + skillers), and she is excellent.
I also use Jab as backup skill, and despite the low damage, its a great skill, because its a super fast attack (With 85 % IAS 5 attacks/sec). If you have some Life Leech (LL) (from Titans of course), you will leech so fast, that you almost are immortal.
Try to get Dodge and Avoid to reach around 50 %.
DragonZeroX
06-06-2004, 22:52
umm k....but i have a question for u how do u get 100% pierce cause last i check was u only can get 85% from 20. I think 71% pierce enough but that's just me and I don't need jab because I'm not fighting close. Also I use items that gives +skills and some passive and magic charms for dodge, avoid and evade so I don't need to put them more besides I don't get hit much. I have buriza but I'm not big fan of crossbow so I use Wf instead. I supposed I could put 17 in valk and put in FA for LI/PI wait....is there some monsters that has LI/PI?
st-hearts
07-06-2004, 00:22
umm k....but i have a question for u how do u get 100% pierce cause last i check was u only can get 85% from 20. I think 71% pierce enough but that's just me and I don't need jab because I'm not fighting close. Also I use items that gives +skills and some passive and magic charms for dodge, avoid and evade so I don't need to put them more besides I don't get hit much. I have buriza but I'm not big fan of crossbow so I use Wf instead. I supposed I could put 17 in valk and put in FA for LI/PI wait....is there some monsters that has LI/PI?
Razortail provides Pierce, as do a number of bows.
~Hearts~
flapserdk
07-06-2004, 03:32
WF is better for Strafe, but FA is great with a Buri, and you also get 100 % piercing with Buri.
You will only encounter very few LI/PI monster, and thats always Bosses and uniques.
urban savage
07-06-2004, 14:15
really i think that your points are spread wrongly imo
seeing as your a hybrid it isnt that great having demon limb on switch or even in your inven, so i'm leaving that out of the question.
20 points into penetrate are great
20 lf
20 charged strike because with just 5 points you may as well be jabbing the bosses to death
20 strafe
and if your not hc you can get by with 1 into all the passives
that build should be finished at around lvl 90
i dont think you need even a point into FA because stafe with kb is great for safety purposes.
if you use razortail then that saves you points into pierce and around 70% pierce is suffieient throughout the game unless your cowing
a highlords would go well on your build seeing as your neglecting critical strike. or if you meant cs to be critical strike then your build would be fine but may have some trouble taking out big bosses like hell baal ect.
hybrids are great characters and alot of fun because you can go into tank mode if your party needs it with your titans and ss
good luck.
I guess it would be cool to know which items you use and if you play HC or SC. As a rule I would put more into vit or DAE when in HC. Also usually Valk is okay whenc cast at lv 17..so that could even mean investing a lot less (use +skill gears to cast)
DragonZeroX
07-06-2004, 14:39
Yes I meant CS as Crital Strike not charged strike.....If I decide to not put in FA what am I gonna do with PI/LI? IS there any way to deal with them? This is what I'm wearing right now
WF with Shael/Titan and SS
Mavs Armor
Thunder's God belt
Soul Drainer gloves
Gore Rider boots
Kira Gurdian circlet
Crescent Moon amulet
Rave Frost ring
5% BK ring
And later on I might use COH, Maras, maybe another BK ring and maybe razortail? Should I put 20 penerate If I not hitting anything? What good % for hitting things?
oh I'm in SC and there's no way I'm gonna play HC ever......cause i'm scare....
Death on Dark Wings
07-06-2004, 17:28
If you're going to do a hybridazon, notice that there're NO 1.10 hybridazon guides. What am I trying to say? Whether PVP / PVM-wise,
...your LF will do squat...
Not to be sardonic or something, congrats.
If you encounter a PI/FI (dual immunity) boss...I'd say, don't kill him. I am becoming quite adapet with my pure lightning zon to just not kill anything LI. Then again..my sorc can tele away, hehe.
If you however desperately want to kill everything, you could invest 20 points into Magic Arrow OR use a WWS bow in those occasions OR use an Atma's Ammy OR equip your merc with a Reapers Toll (could be ladder only however). If there are wands with Amp charges available at vendors, you might wanna try one of those..just don't spread yourself over 3 different kinds of attack.
In_Remission
08-06-2004, 02:32
Your point distribution is fine IMHO. That includes 20 into penetrate and LF.
The points for vitality are excellent as well. Might look at your stuff and try to get to that number with your stuff on.
There is a trade off with the hybrid using strafe for the primary bow skill. You need lots of dexterity...400 is a good number to try for. Even with penetrate to 20 and couple more with +skill items your AR will hover around 8K....in Hell difficulty that is okay. The knockback on WF will give you time to move around as you will be "locked" in that strafing animation with the next arrow miss thing going . Other bows without knockback don't do that.( Comparing WWS upgraded and Lycanders upgraded, Eaglehorn.....the knockback helps.)
Since you have chosen jav's as a back up, your belt slot is filled...T gods. Forget about any other.
Physical immunes can be dealt with a couple of ways. Elemental damage from equipment(belt), charms, shield(tiamat's), with your lightening skill LF. From range LF will use up your mana real quick, usually about the time you needed just 2 more casts to kill that pack of......Charged strike is a great alternative. I have chosen to see how far I could go without wanting to use Charged Strike. I had a character with 20 CS/20LF, the combo kills great. This second time around I have held back skill points and throw thunder bolts until I run out of mana then jab the left overs to death(1+5 level jab).
The second way is to equip your act 2 merc with a Reaper's Toll Thresher. It and your Valk will take care of the leftovers once decrepify has triggered. This second method works well enough that your strafe can hit and do damage as well.
Last comment is pierce. I have read rec's about level 12 without razortail. I have noticed a difference when using lycander's bow. My pierce skill is 1 baseline pt with +3 with items and + 4 w/Lycanders, the couple extra to skills does make a difference. I mention this as a number you might consider if you wanted to add to pierce.
My build and equipment is very similar to yours, I use different armor, but the other slots are about the same. I hope you enjoy the character as much as I have.
Cheers
If you're going to do a hybridazon, notice that there're NO 1.10 hybridazon guides. What am I trying to say? Whether PVP / PVM-wise,
...your LF will do squat...
Not to be sardonic or something, congrats.
Lightning Fury does not need synergies to be effective. I made an LF/FA zon that did excellent. Each synergy point gives what? 1%? It is the pierce that makes this skill so powerful so don't plan on killing single monsters with this.
And as someone mentioned earlier, a level 20 valk isn't necessary. Even with a war pike at level 17 her damage still sucks to be honest. Decoy + level 10ish Valk would probably suffice.
I would put less Valk, more pierce and critical strike.
Try a level 15 lightning fury as well. If you don't like the damage output from that, I would boost it to 20. But if a level 15 LF is good enough for you, you just saved an extra 5 points :) I never understood why people would get 60+ synergy points into LF, only to wait years to kill a Light Immune with their merc.
DragonZeroX
08-06-2004, 14:26
Thanks for all your help people....
mgill1772
08-06-2004, 19:45
I would never use any belt on a hybrid besides razortail, both weapons benefit greatly from it, T god is a dueling belt, imo
i think the following things are valuable to a hybrid zon are:
ias to hit the desired break point, i suggest 90 if u choose wf
life, over 100 vitality
DR, i would try to be near 50 when in jav style unless u plan to stay behind your pets
piercing 100%
MF - lets get over 100 to keep game interesting
+skills - distribution can be thin so these help pump up the one and two pointers
life/mana leech - i would have at least 6% of each
merc - might
AR boosters - this can be done a variety of ways, but you will want the bow to actually hit things in Hell difficulty.
Resisters - I like to try to be positive, this is easier to get in jav/shield, but at least get close to zero on bow if you plan to play past act3 frequently.
If you meet this criteria, I think any soft hybrid zon will do fine.
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