Bulding a PvM Ama [Archive] - Diablo 3 & Diablo 2 Forums

seffe

06-06-2004, 18:00

Hi lads, i wanna now what skills i should go for, bulding my first serious bow ama PvM , i will be using wf.

Plz tell skills points
and stats str dex eg

triqui

06-06-2004, 18:26

first, there are a few guides already posted in the forum.
Second, just stating that you will use a WF is not enough.

Are you going to build a strafezon? FA?. do you like multishot better?. Is it going to MF?. you would need to be a more specific, indeed.

A possible build:
max valk
max strafe
max penetrate
Dodge/avoid/evade to levl 6 or so (again depending on your prefferences and gear)
Rest both in CS and pierce

Str= around 125 or so. depending on your gear, just enough to be able to carry the WF counting the STR bonus to gear.

Dex= ALL the rest

Vita= base. Yes , base. you can get a few more health from charms, gear ( whale armors, waterwalks, shackos, etc). If you dont feel confortable with so low life, spend a few points here. Like 50 at most.

Energy= What? what is energy?

Gear=
WF. (that you already have)
Items with IAS (cats eye, lavagouts,Steel skull, twitchcrow,nosferatus coil)
Items with life (shako, waterwalks, charms, verdungo, )
Items with sockets (jewelers armors of the wale, spirit forge, CoA, etc)
Items with plus stats or plus (raw) damage (razortail, wartrav, ravenfrost)
Items with mana/life leech (tal mask, rare rings, cressent moon)
items with resists (optional) (LoH, vipermage, natalyas soul)
items with mf (optional) (tals armor, skullders)

Several of those items have more than one of those stats (tal mask life, leech, resists, steel skull leech, mf, ias, loh ias, damage, resists, etc). Feel free to combine them
Which is, basically, a PVM strafezon. The target is to shot at 9/2 (120% ias), with good damage, a pair of good tanks (merc and Valk), and kills very fast.

seffe

06-06-2004, 18:43

thanks, it is easier now, to think of what i shall use, ill be back if any problems occure.

wf is the base, i guess i want skills that make alot of damage and can penetrate all kinds of res and phys damage. Maybe a fantasy to get, but thats what i want.

as for other items i really dont know just yet, i guess i will need leech if im gonna use multiple skill, kind if costy in mana, i cant really tell anymore, cuz i dont know for sure myself. :scratch:

edit: im gonna be a pure PvM slaying monsters as if they were tiny ants :)

Dimarte

06-06-2004, 22:24

to be the best requires lots and lots of godly items. I am nowhere near godly, but I can hold my own in hell.

5 or so 100 poison sc
wf with shael
mav armor with 15% IAS jewel
Andy Visage with 15% IAS jewel
War travs
Raven frost
carrion wind
Laying Of hands
goldwrap
highlords

that lets me reach 120% IAS, have 2-3k strafe damage (tons more damage against demons), witchwild string on switch for PI (or put reapers toll on merc). You will mow through any demons, and take out undead at pretty good speed. I dont have nowhere near godly gear, as I need better armor, rings, boots. But it works. just experiment to see how u do. if u dont like what u have, remake. :)

Dimarte

seffe

07-06-2004, 01:10

thanks alot

Darth Joe

07-06-2004, 02:35

My zon's equipment:

Weapon/switch - Windforce/Eaglehorn
Helm - Mav's Diadem
Armor - COH Archon Plate
Belt - Razortail
Gloves - Laying of Hands
Boots - Gore Riders
Ammy - Highlord's Wrath
Rings - Beast Goad (ll,ml, and mf) & Ravenfrost

Skill distribution:

Multishot - 8
Guided - 13
Strafe - 15
Cold Arrow - 7 (synergy for Freezing Arrow)
Freezing Arrow - 9
Critical Strike - 5
Evade - 3
Valk - 19

Stat distribution (these are not base, but with mods off of equipment too):

Str - 180
Dex - 256
Vit - 124
Energy - Base

I have 3 Bow & X-bow skill gc's and one Passive gc in my inventory, some live charms, and a bunch of mfsc's. With all +skill items, my skill tree looks like this:

Multishot - 14
Guided - 19
Strafe - 21
Cold Arrow - 13 (synergy for Freezing Arrow)
Freezing Arrow - 15
Critical Strike - 9
Evade - 7
Valk - 23

This said, my zon has no problems killing things, solo, in hell. She flatout rapes in areas like the Chaos Sanctuary, with the %ed to demons from COH and Laying of Hands (550% total). She can clear River/Chaos, and kill Diablo in around 3-4 minutes on Hell difficulty.

My WF and Mav's helm are socketed with 40/15 ias jewels...this helps her hit the 120 ias breakpoint, along with Highlord's and Laying of Hands.

I use strafe in tight areas, where there are between 3-8 monsters, and multi in open areas, like the Chaos Sanctuary, where there are huge packs of monsters. Cold arrow comes in handy for phys immune/stone skin monsters. If they are cold immune as well, I switch to magic arrow, which is at base (level 7 with all +skills added in)...it's a little slow, but it does the job. :) Guided is my boss killer, and is still very handy when trying to avoid Meph and Diablo's attacks, while shooting at them at the same time. :)

My valk is pretty much unkillable, and only dies to the occassional Iron Maiden. She tanks for me, while I stand back, raining arrows from afar. :grrr:

With this setup, I have 646 life, do 233-2175 strafe damage, have 1312 defense, and AR is 2602.

Now, granted the equipment I have is pretty spendy (and has cost me most of my good items), I was running pretty good without all of the ias and COH. My setup before was:

Weapon/switch - Windforce/Eaglehorn
Helm - Vamp Gaze
Armor - Skullders
Belt - Razortail
Gloves - Laying of Hands
Boots - Gore Riders
Ammy - Highlord's Wrath
Rings - Manald Heal & Ravenfrost

I wasn't killing as fast, but I could still solo anything from the pit to the Chaos Sanctuary...just took a little longer.

Hope this helps. ;)

Darth Joe

07-06-2004, 02:42

^^Forgot to add, my zon is level 85, and still has seven skill points to distribute...I just don't know where to put them, as the skills I use already do the job wonderfully, and I don't want to waste them. I still haven't done all of the skill/stat quests either. :)

seffe

07-06-2004, 23:56

Thanks alot Darth Joe, it sure helped alot. :yep: :winner: :clap:

urban savage

09-06-2004, 13:00

dont you have massive troubles hitting things in hell with only 2.5k ar Joe?

Shanksie1337

09-06-2004, 15:14

Seeing we are posting gear:

“Windiekins” lvl 89 Strafer – skills as in my guide with spare skill points put into Critical Strike and Pierce

WF “Shael” 8% // Demon Limb
Shako “pt”
Skullders “pt”
Goldwrap “upgraded”
Chancies “upgraded” 40% - I sometimes use LoH to get 90 IAS but I find I really don’t need them.
War Trav’s 46%
Cat’s Eye
Ravenfrost 20/249
Rare 7LL +13dex +res all ring

Gheeds 39%
Anni 18/19/10
Life sc’s * 6
1600 in pdsc’s
Cube / Keys / Scrolls
= ~350 mf with a 2*4 empty space in inventory (so I could add 8*7 = 56 more mf).

With gear on:
Str – 144
Dex – 448
Vita – 85
Energy – 35 (base)

14505 AR = 90-95% chance to hit anything
754 life / 350 mana
Minus 60 res all in Hell

Normal Attack – 2022-4784 // 2127-5920 – (without might aura // with might aura)
Strafe – 1561-4074 // 1640-4926

“Gulzar” lvl 89 might merc
Eth Reapers Toll “Amn”
Eth Duriels “ED jewel”
Tal’s Mask “pt”

396-2541 // 644-4116

Hope this also helps :D

seffe

09-06-2004, 21:46

triqui

10-06-2004, 03:00

yes it does, you have alot of AR, where you get all from?
I can answer that for him :from demon limb lvl 23 Enchantment :worship:

Darth Joe

10-06-2004, 05:54

dont you have massive troubles hitting things in hell with only 2.5k ar Joe?

Not that I've noticed. :scratch:

Like I said before, I can clear out Hell River of Flame/Chaos Sanctuary in 3-4 minutes. :)

seffe

10-06-2004, 22:40

I can answer that for him :from demon limb lvl 23 Enchantment :worship:

sorry about my unwarness, but whats a demon limb? :scratch:

triqui

11-06-2004, 01:19

sorry about my unwarness, but whats a demon limb? :scratch:
Demon Limb is a unique elite club. It does a few dmg one handed and have a few stupid mods that nobody cares. And near the end of its skills, it says that it has charges of lvl 23 enchantment :thumbsup:
So the thing is: start the game. cast enchantment on yourself (it last A LOT). play , and when you have done it 20 times, use an ort rune to fully recharge it :uhhuh:

It is an awesome way to save skill points in penetrate, OR to put points in penetrate AND use enchantment to get to a HUGE AR.

seffe

11-06-2004, 01:26

Demon Limb is a unique elite club. It does a few dmg one handed and have a few stupid mods that nobody cares. And near the end of its skills, it says that it has charges of lvl 23 enchantment :thumbsup:
So the thing is: start the game. cast enchantment on yourself (it last A LOT). play , and when you have done it 20 times, use an ort rune to fully recharge it :uhhuh:

It is an awesome way to save skill points in penetrate, OR to put points in penetrate AND use enchantment to get to a HUGE AR.

ok thanks for the answer

seffe

14-06-2004, 17:29

For those who isint gonna mf and cant afford a coh, what armor would be good, for PvM Bow ama?

Perfect Upgraded Shaft?
State your examples, and motives why

iron_du

15-06-2004, 17:24

I'm building an PvM bowazon too (just to play in "single player" mode), actually lvl 29, Normal diff.

I've planned:
- put some skill points (6-10) on Dodge, Avoid, Evade, Pierce, GA and Strafe
- put several skill points (10-15) on Valk, Penetrate, CS
- put all other skill points on MS and Freezing Arrow

- put some points on str (150), energy (just a little bit), vit (???) and all other points to dex

I would like to know if this "strategy" will be a mistake, or if it is good. (I heared that GA is not that good in 1.10 like it was in 1.09, is it true ?)

thanks...

Shanksie1337

15-06-2004, 19:31

tbh sounds very bad :D

u dont need both MS and Strafe - and imho strafe is more usefull for more areas.

1 in D/A/E is plenty for Softcore - some +skills will raise this a little for you.

points into energy really is a waste imho, you will have strafe (or MS) for leech should you need it.

And Ga is overkill aswell, strafe is a usefull boss killer.

In_Remission

15-06-2004, 21:13

Seffe the answer to your question about PvM armor is the runeword Lionheart.

Add a few +max and or +min damage charms/jewels here and there and you will really begin to see what this amor can do.

Angry

15-06-2004, 22:14

pure dexazons can kill just as fast as windyzons and don't need uber gear to do it.

i've built zons using lycanders aim as their main weapon who could kill cows just as fast as windyzons who don't use poison charms either. the trick is to raise your rate of fire to its max, hang onto charms which add min/max dmg, and of course, stay alive.

using a windforce, the str req is kinda high, so i suppose you can't go pure dex. i would go with strafe, guided arrow, freezing arrow and then a valk.

try to keep your str and vit as low as possible for you to play comfortably and effectively, and then push the rest into dex of course. a might merc is ideal, but if you're having trouble staying alive get a defiant or even a holy freeze merc...

cracked sash

15-06-2004, 22:54

I can answer that for him :from demon limb lvl 23 Enchantment :worship:

I thought demon limb was only added fire damage? Ther is a hidden AR bonus as well.

Anyone have sthe stats on a l23 Enchant? How much fire dmg, and how much +AR?

-Sash

seffe

25-06-2004, 14:18

But can you use the limb to enchant your self?

i tested it on my fire sorc, did not notice any changes in my stats or so.

i may be blind but...

cracked sash

25-06-2004, 17:27

But can you use the limb to enchant your self?

i tested it on my fire sorc, did not notice any changes in my stats or so.

i may be blind but...

I enchant fire damage to my char (zon), my merc, and my valk. my guess is +200 fire dmg

sash