Wind druid or Bone necro???

[supremevolver]

I am currently in serch for a decent dueler and i have narrowed it down to either a bone necro or a wind druid. What should i make? i have enough to afford all the best ezuip for them so its just down to wut char is btr.

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pick one and try it. why dont u build a shockwave druid or posion dagger necro and be different :lol:.

[Rauth]

If you are skilled you can beat just about anything using a bone necro assuming you have the apropriate gear. I play windy because beating everyone so easily is not much fun(plus you get to kill those anoying fohers without taking damage). Without chars that can beat your build easily where is the challenge? My most fun duels are with good necros/hammerdins/wwsins/wwbarbs. This is because they all can kill me if I screw up even a little(or not at all).

Don't get me wrong. Bone necs are great fun(spear spear). I just like chasing people down more than sniping them from a screen away. Plus I'm just too laggy to pull off a necro.

You really should try a diffrent build than necro or wind druid sometime though. There are at least 2 bone necros in every duel game if not more, while usually only 1 windy(me). If you want to kick *** AND be different, use a ww sin. They can do very well against all classes and there are not too many of them around.

[Sephiroth[TR]]

now if u wanna have the most nastyest dueler... il say poison necro... Altough i havent played one.. I did got > by one..

and windys are pretty boring to >.< must be the lack of good competition on my realm :/

always stock up on Manapot vs necro keke i learnd that yesterday :P

[supremevolver]

I think im gona make a windy druid. should i use hoto or doom? (The runeword or cousre).

[oscarmk1]

I think im gona make a windy druid. should i use hoto or doom? (The runeword or cousre).
Hoto of course.

[Rauth]

While useful, hurricane is not your primary damage source so doom is pretty useless. Tornado(your primary damage) is pure physical damage, and if you want to catch anyone with windy, you're gonna need fast cast from hoto.

[LordDrift]

Necro for sure

[Jek]

Necro for sure

Quoted for truth. :)

[Dimoak]

Windy. Otherwise FoH pallies will have your panties in a bunch.

[Netherwolf]

Windy. Otherwise FoH pallies will have your panties in a bunch.

Why is that? He said he has enough to get the best equip, meaning enigma is in his range. He never mentioned that he wanted to play anything besides pubbies, so teleport is free to use. With fisters just tele straight next to them, and let your golem take the bolt. Right after tele, shoot spears. You got a very skilled fister if he can dodge those. When he does manage to squeeze out of it, repeat, but then use 2 volleys of teeth first to put him in block animation, then follow up with spear.
Even without tele, negating foh is pretty easy versus a non-skilled dueler. Just keep a clay golem up at all times between you and the fister. It will always take the hit unless the fister clicks you iso using shift (which they use a lot more than you'd expect). Recast golem whenever he threatens to move to the side or when the golem is about to die.
Third option, just stay offscreen and spam spears in his general direction or designated teleport-path. He can't namelock/click you as he doesn't have you onscreen. Again, keep the golem between you and him. (Ps, this is also THE way of checking if he uses scroll-lock or not, since it would normally be impossible for him to score a hit this way. Don't EVER scroll-lock)

Supremevolver, I would pick a Boner anyday over a windy. If of equal skill and gear, the boner "should" win most of the time. But the main difference between the two is the pace with which you duel them. The windy is a bit more laid back, while the boner required a lot more action and hot-key use. The boner is a bit more lag-intolerant though. If you have a bad connection/comp you should probably pick the windy.

[Sou1jah]

i would pick bone necro. that marrowwalk glich kills lol. cuz i have a bone necro =X. doing around 5k+ bone spirit damage and 3500ish spear damage is pretty fun. trap them in some bonewalls and ya. :winner:

[Stubbs]

yeah i got a pnb necro and fohers dont get to me at all really. You can let the golem take it or just be defensive and shoot while avoiding getting conviction on ya. The necro can pretty much take on anyone, but several classes can make it real interesting. A windy druid can give a necro a good run. Personally what I hate most is trapsins. Thats always an option if you want to have one of the best duelers. Public that is. But pretty much all melee disregarding javazons die to the necro with no prob.

[The_Sickness_101]

Bone necro...the windies weakness. Tele backwards spam teeth/spear. To beat a foher replace your homon/bflame w/ a 4 ptopazed shield. Tgods wisps, etc. No elementalist can really say they can beat you if you use the appropriate gear. In public duels there is not a restriction on absorb and necs are very versatile.

[dorn124]

i would say bone necro because i killed a wind druid that was like 10 lvls higher than me.

[LordDrift]

FOH is utterly useless against a 125Caster Necro, can get out of range b4 hits or golem tanks the hit. Since i hit 125FCR i havent lost to much FOH'r's...i just lost to my own FOH'R :D

[xshinakuma]

Supremevolver, I would pick a Boner anyday over a windy. If of equal skill and gear, the boner "should" win most of the time.


Bone necro...the windies weakness. Tele backwards spam teeth/spear. To beat a foher replace your homon/bflame w/ a 4 ptopazed shield. Tgods wisps, etc. No elementalist can really say they can beat you if you use the appropriate gear. In public duels there is not a restriction on absorb and necs are very versatile.

Sorry, I will have to disagree with you two. If a very good Elemental Druid dueled a very good Bone Necro, the Elemental Druid will win most of the time, trust me on this.

In the case of dueling vs. all, the edge goes to the Necromancer.
In the case of Druid vs. Necromancer, the edge goes to the Druid.

[KillSwitcHR]

neither are that fun in my opinion. Personally i think its boring being able to go into a gameand easily killing most of the people. Also a good windy can beat most necs unless they run and spam teeth

[D-Giant]

imo it comes down to which u like.ive played both but right now im usin a windy bc im my opinion its not fun to kill ppl from like 2 screens away. i like to get in close and get dirty.If u want sheer killing power and want to be able to get your kill ratio real high make a necro

[Krisu]

Just umm. Wind druid won't lose to those boners , if you want to be real nasty. Just summon 5 spirits wolves and tele with enigma , they'll stack the nec must shoot 5 or 6 bone spears [6 if your spirit is alive] and in that time he is dead if he didn't get away when you teled next to him to do hurricanes.
If he did , do again or tele away from him to resummon.

At least no one complains in pubbyes.. :lol:

[Krisu]

Few corrections :

They'll stack and the nec must kill them in order to hit you

"To shoot hurricanes" I meant tornados *

[D-Giant]

i dont like to stack unless the other ppl are bm.and ur forgetting that if u stack most often those necros are gonna stack as well.

[LordDrift]

wolves are nothing

teeth spam the druid, wolves cant tank much.


with teeth spam chips away at the druids life as well as the oak sage, when you seen the sage and the wolves gone necro can come in for the kill.

if a necro only uses spear and tried to hit the druid, that necro does not know how to duel druids

[NecroManiac]

It depends on what u like, for me its necs b/c i love the unresistable dmg and bone armor :) if u have the right gear u can beat almost any class except a good wind druid those r probably the hardest for necs.

[LordDrift]

It depends on what u like, for me its necs b/c i love the unresistable dmg and bone armor :) if u have the right gear u can beat almost any class except a good wind druid those r probably the hardest for necs.


nah, to me tele locking ww barbs, annoying as hell

[The_Sickness_101]

Sorry, I will have to disagree with you two. If a very good Elemental Druid dueled a very good Bone Necro, the Elemental Druid will win most of the time, trust me on this.

In the case of dueling vs. all, the edge goes to the Necromancer.
In the case of Druid vs. Necromancer, the edge goes to the Druid.

You are very, very wrong. Fenris has brought this up many times. and he was proven wrong in a duel. A 125% fcr bone necro THAT KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING will beat a wind druid way more often than lose to one. Perhaps you are just dueling the wrong people. Teeth the minions around the wind druid, if he has low fhr he will die. Then spam spears, if he namelocks you he will die from spears. You telling me to trust you on this one hardly influences a decision. Not to mention, I OWN BOTH classes. My wind druid and bone necro are fully geared up, so you'd think maybe I'd know from prior experience. You think summoning wolves makes ele druids invincible...teeth will easily do the job. Plus, I'm pretty sure I can summon more minions than a wind druid...heh..

[NecroManiac]

You are very, very wrong. Fenris has brought this up many times. and he was proven wrong in a duel. A 125% fcr bone necro THAT KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING will beat a wind druid way more often than lose to one. Perhaps you are just dueling the wrong people. Teeth the minions around the wind druid, if he has low fhr he will die. Then spam spears, if he namelocks you he will die from spears. You telling me to trust you on this one hardly influences a decision. Not to mention, I OWN BOTH classes. My wind druid and bone necro are fully geared up, so you'd think maybe I'd know from prior experience. You think summoning wolves makes ele druids invincible...teeth will easily do the job. Plus, I'm pretty sure I can summon more minions than a wind druid...heh..


Hmmm i can see what your saying but it still doesnt convince me that Necs>Windys. The Nec has to chip away at the druids minon+oak sage while dodging around trying to avoid a direct hit, usually one of 3 will things happen:

A. You run out of mana
B. You make a mistake and druid lands on u
C. u take out the minons+oak sage and the druid runs away and recasts them

There is very little room for error when dueling a wind druid and most people, like me, make mistakes while dueling them. I dont know about u guys but i seem to run short on mana after teleing and teeth spamming.

Meh, wtvr my 2cents :D

[dumbpig]

played perfecty with no mistakes, a 125 fcr necro will beat a 163 fcr druid every time, since he moves faster and can hurt the druid and also heal slowly from the engima life-per-kill (this number is quite large if the druid keeps resummoning wolves), while the druid wont be able to hit the necro

however, everyone lags/makes mistakes, and usually necros at the 56 fhr breakpoint will die to tornadoes if he ever gets caught, and taking into account that teeth doesnt exactly kill fast, the chance of the necro screwing up is high.

however, if the necro is good, doesnt lag, and has the 86 fhr break, the necro will basically always win. it only looks like druid > necro beacuse in cases where mediocre to somewhat-good players are playing, both people mess up sometimes, and the nero only has 1 chance whil the druid has many.

[Joe_smith]

played perfecty with no mistakes, a 125 fcr necro will beat a 163 fcr druid every time, since he moves faster and can hurt the druid and also heal slowly from the engima life-per-kill (this number is quite large if the druid keeps resummoning wolves), while the druid wont be able to hit the necro

however, everyone lags/makes mistakes, and usually necros at the 56 fhr breakpoint will die to tornadoes if he ever gets caught, and taking into account that teeth doesnt exactly kill fast, the chance of the necro screwing up is high.

however, if the necro is good, doesnt lag, and has the 86 fhr break, the necro will basically always win. it only looks like druid > necro beacuse in cases where mediocre to somewhat-good players are playing, both people mess up sometimes, and the nero only has 1 chance whil the druid has many.

too bad i seem to beat all necros 10-0 or 10-1 with my druid at 11 fps and i've dueled hundreds of them. if i actually do use 163 i'll prolly lose more cuz i dont' have druid ammy with fcr and only have 4 gcs so won't do enough damge and summons will be weak and i'll actually lose more.

[LordDrift]

too bad i seem to beat all necros 10-0 or 10-1 with my druid at 11 fps and i've dueled hundreds of them. if i actually do use 163 i'll prolly lose more cuz i dont' have druid ammy with fcr and only have 4 gcs so won't do enough damge and summons will be weak and i'll actually lose more.

Only 4 GC's and you beat most 125FCR? I beg to differ, care to prove? I'm on WestN/L

I use 125FCR, 86FHR

[Joe_smith]

Only 4 GC's and you beat most 125FCR? I beg to differ, care to prove? I'm on WestN/L

I use 125FCR, 86FHR

sure what's your account name. and in druid vs nec is more about skill and connection than gear of course i'm not saying having 2k more damage won't help. and i duel necs mostly with my druid so there's nothing too amazing about it. i do have a hard time agaisnt good barbs due to low damage. o

[LordDrift]

*stron, ill be online to duel around 6:30-8 PST

[NecroManiac]

I want to duel also *AH_Calix same time as lord :)

[LordDrift]

great ill see you all then :clap:

[NecroManiac]

great ill see you all then :clap:

:surprise:

[mepersoner]

It doesn't count because Joe has mad skills, he's like me when I used to play 24/7 back in the day.

[LordDrift]

time played doesnt always mean better

[Joe_smith]

time played doesnt always mean better

actually i havent' been using windy at all he's getting boring the only time i use him is when i punish summon necros who use iron maiden on my barb. and why don't you guys get on isntead of hanging around on the forum i tried to whipsper but u were offline.

[Joe_smith]

It doesn't count because Joe has mad skills, he's like me when I used to play 24/7 back in the day.

also you've never seen my windy you action how would you know if i'm any good with him. or did you only say that so you'd have a chance to remind people of your past glory.

[LordDrift]

i cant im at work, thats why i said at that time.

Edit: Dude nevermind, dont wanna start flame war

[LordDrift]

i'm online now

[Joe_smith]

I want to duel also *AH_Calix same time as lord :)

err just whispered u but u didn't reply. o..

[LordDrift]

he beat me with his barb :surprise:

[Joe_smith]

he beat me with his barb :surprise:

u were defintely one of the better necs i've dueled just like all the other people in ur clan. but you were a bit on the defensive side and against blobs ***** hide in a house trick ibs wont' work. if u played more offensively and used prison u might have won more. =) too bad we were both lagging next time when lag gets fixed we can have a real duel.

[NecroManiac]

he beat me with his barb :surprise:

lol i second that, except he didnt really beat me, he pwned my *** to the ground :lol: But it was a good duel(lol kinda), and in my opinion hes one of the best barbs on west.

[Joe_smith]

lol i second that, except he didnt really beat me, he pwned my *** to the ground :lol: But it was a good duel(lol kinda), and in my opinion hes one of the best barbs on west.

there are more good barbs out there than you think many don't post on this forum and you and i havent' seen.

[no2fakeshakes]

is it me? or most of the necs i come across are more defensive than offensive and tend to stay offscreen spamming bs? :scratch:

[Joe_smith]

is it me? or most of the necs i come across are more defensive than offensive and tend to stay offscreen spamming bs? :scratch:

u won't find anyone else jumping all over u with an unfinished 10 fps no fhr nec with no res getting 1 hitted left and right like me i'm mr kamakazie.

[LordDrift]

ill try to keep that in mind, i got back u were gona i wanted to try the bone prison thing to try to slow ur ww down so more spirits can hit. spear did not work at all it seemed. def one of the best barbs ive duel'd.

duel'd necromaniac as well, fun dueling an ex-ladder necro.

[dumbpig]

he beat me with his barb :surprise:

haw, somehow i knew that was gonna happen, mr. "i got a 415 botd ax now and think souless is hard to beat"

good job chris, hehehe

what "clan" is lorddrift in anyway? RoT? or Ai? :lol:

[LordDrift]

haw, somehow i knew that was gonna happen, mr. "i got a 415 botd ax now and think souless is hard to beat"

good job chris, hehehe

lol yes my having a 415 axe has to do with me using a necro, very bright der. how do you memorize all my posts, you stalk me or something?

[dumbpig]

u won't find anyone else jumping all over u with an unfinished 10 fps no fhr nec with no res getting 1 hitted left and right like me i'm mr kamakazie.

that necro u used isnt half bad, its got max res in nightmare and fhr doesnt really do jack except when u get it to 86, almost everyone without a 108 valk uses 10 frame cast anyway, and 3k bs is plenty good enough to kill anything

[dumbpig]

lol yes my having a 415 axe has to do with me using a necro, very bright der. how do you memorize all my posts, you stalk me or something?

:lol: doesnt take much to remeber your posts, just like it doesnt take much to remeber what george bush has to say about strategery, his pre-before-preplanning on da eye-racky issue, and the effectivityness of religiosticalness on the best moralical family structurationing.

u have enough runes to get yourself a 415 ax and a 125/86 necro, and find it surprising that a barb can beat a necro, and post about how difficult necros are for barbs....

now, pubbie duelers, like you said in another post, often buy themselves perfect items on ebay without any idea how to duel, and end up owned by far worse-equipped experienced duelers. chris doesnt have bad items, but they're far from perfect and he probably has less than half an inventory of damage/life charms... and you use a 125/86 necro and even considered resorting to bone prison. what does that sound like?

"der"?

[LordDrift]

1. you know what der means, if you dont, please dont try to quote to try to make me look stupid, you just make urself look like an idiot
2. i never said barbs couldnt beat necro's, nor i said all wind druids will be beat by nec's. i simply said that a good necro wotn lose against a good wind druid
3. it was suppose to be a wind druid duel, not barb duel but a duel is a duel
4. i did not use bone prison he simple said use it maybe ill do better with it, get ur fact straight before commenting
5. you're an idiot, i will no longer respond to you ignorant remarks

[dumbpig]

tee hee the little steam engine blew his top

gg

:howdy: :thanks: :howdy:

[LordDrift]

now gettin back on topic.

Any USWest Wind Druid Dueler care to prove Wind > Nec?

[dumbpig]

now gettin back on topic.

Any USWest Wind Druid Dueler care to prove Wind > Nec?

hey, don't disgrace the realm here, we dont want them easties on the forum to all think you're representative of "Nec" for west... :lol:

[LordDrift]

no one is representing anything i just wanna see if a wind druid can beat me. besides what do you care what i do? you like me or something cant stop talking to me?

[dumbpig]

5. you're an idiot, i will no longer respond to you ignorant remarks

awww how cute he even broke his word to reply to me, i feel all warm and fuzzy

to answer your question, yes, anyone with more wrinkles in their brain than a walnut should be able to beat your particular necro with a fairly well equipped wind druid. dont bother wasting anyone else's time.

[LordDrift]

na na na na na na hey hey hey say goodbye dumbpig

and i dont see u having a wind druid to try to duel me

[dumbpig]

na na na na na na hey hey hey say goodbye dumbpig

and i dont see u having a wind druid to try to duel me

im busy enjoying the warm and fuzzy feelings, leave me alone, nub

:yep:

[LordDrift]

don't worry ull be alone permanetly :drool:

[D1ce]

Both of you should knock it off before Bloem comes down with the Wrath of God. This reminds me too much of the lame side of public dueling...

[Garbad_the_Weak]

o_o

BB has gone perm afk; the Wrath of God has been transfered to me. I'll lock this thread but don't make me ban you again. Talk trash in the game all you want but not here.

Garbad