Different Boss Levels in D2C?

[TheCerberus]

I was reading a thread somewhere on another forum, and someone said that there although NM Andy may provide the best chance to drop SoJs in expansion, NM Andariel cannot drop them in Classic. He said that opposed to Andy mlvl of 49 in expansion, she has a mlvl of 37 in classic.

Does this make sense to you guys? Could the mlvls differ in classic and expansion, or is this just some speculation?

[viamede]

Well here is a list of Monster Levels in Classic (doesn't specify bosses but may be of assistance).Also I just copied it so cannot verify accuarcy (helpful huh :D ) Actually it may have come from the same source as your question :lol: you classic addict. So notwithstanding the unhelpful chart below I would also like to know the answer. BTW how can one check a monsters level while playing anyway?

MONSTER LEVELS

_____(Normal)___(Nightmare)_____(Hell)


________1_________36__________67________Blood Moor
________2_________36__________68________Cold Plains
________4_________37__________68________Stony Field
________5_________38__________68________Dark Wood
________6_________38__________69________Black Marsh
________8_________39__________69________Tamoe Highland
________1_________36__________79________Den of Evil
________2_________36__________77________Cave Level 1
________4_________37__________69________Undergroun d Passage Level 1
________5_________38__________80________Hole Level 1
________7_________39__________85________Pit Level 1
________2_________37__________78________Cave Level 2
________3_________37__________83________Crypt
________3_________37__________85________Mausoleum
________7_________42__________79________Tower Cellar Level 5
________8_________40__________70________Monastery Gate
________9_________40__________70________Outer Cloister
________9_________40__________70________Barracks
________10________41__________71________Jail Level 1
________10________41__________71________Jail Level 2
________10________41__________71________Jail Level 3
________10________41__________72________Inner Cloister
________11________42__________72________Cathedral
________11________42__________72________Catacombs Level 1
________11________42__________73________Catacombs Level 2
________12________43__________73________Catacombs Level 3
________12________43__________73________Catacombs Level 4
________6_________39__________76________Tristram
________28________64__________81________Moo Moo Farm


________14________43__________75________Rocky Waste
________15________44__________76________Dry Hills
________16________45__________76________Far Oasis
________17________46__________77________Lost City
________18________46__________77________Valley of Snakes
________16________48__________79________Canyon of the Magi
________13________43__________74________Sewers Level 1
________13________43__________74________Sewers Level 2
________14________44__________75________Sewers Level 3
________________________________________Harem Level 1
________13________47__________78________Harem Level 2
________13________47__________78________Palace Cellar Level 1
________13________47__________78________Palace Cellar Level 2
________13________48__________78________Palace Cellar Level 3
________12________44__________78________Stony Tomb Level 1
________12________44__________79________Halls of the Dead Level 1
________13________45__________81________Halls of the Dead Level 2
________14________47__________82________Claw Viper Temple Level 1
________12________44__________79________Stony Tomb Level 2
________13________45__________82________Halls of the Dead Level 3
________14________47__________83________Claw Viper Temple Level 2
________17________45__________84________Maggot Lair Level 1
________17________45__________84________Maggot Lair Level 2
________17________46__________85________Maggot Lair Level 3
________17________46__________85________Ancient Tunnels
________17________49__________80________Tal Rasha's Tomb
________17________49__________80________Tal Rasha's Tomb
________17________49__________80________Tal Rasha's Tomb
________17________49__________80________Tal Rasha's Tomb
________17________49__________80________Tal Rasha's Tomb
________17________49__________80________Tal Rasha's Tomb
________17________49__________80________Tal Rasha's Tomb
________17________49__________80________Duriel's Lair
________14________48__________79________Arcane Sanctuary


________21________49__________79________Spider Forest
________21________50__________80________Great Marsh
________22________50__________80________Flayer Jungle
________22________52__________80________Lower Kurast
________22________52__________81________Kurast Bazaar
________23________52__________81________Upper Kurast
________24________53__________81________Kurast Causeway
________24________54__________82________Travincal
________21________50__________79________Spider Cave(Arachnid Lair)
________21________50__________79________Spider Cavern
________21________51__________80________Swampy Pit Level 1
________21________51__________81________Swampy Pit Level 2
________22________51__________81________Flayer Dungeon Level 1
________22________51__________82________Flayer Dungeon Level 2
________21________51__________82________Swampy Pit Level 3
________22________51__________83________Flayer Dungeon Level 3
________23________52__________84________Sewers Level 1
________24________53__________85________Sewers Level 2
________23________53__________84________Ruined Temple(Kurast Bazaar)
________23________53__________84________Disused Fane(Kurast Bazaar)
________23________53__________84________Forgotten Reliquary (Upper)
________24________54__________85________Forgotten Temple (Upper)
________24________54__________85________Ruined Fane ________24________54__________85________Disused Reliquary (Causeway)
________25________55__________83________Durance of Hate Level 1
________25________55__________83________Durance of Hate Level 2
________25________55__________83________Durance of Hate Level


________26________56__________82________Outer Seppes
________26________56__________83________Plains of Despair
________27________57__________84________City of the Damned
________27________57__________85________River of Flame
________28________58__________85________Chaos Sanctum

[STINGER]

Mert1 had a list of Super Uniques for Classic. I cant verify it to any extent but as far as i am concerned it is good enuff for me to use.....

As for Andy and other bosses, I am possitive there are lvl differences. There is absolutely no way to get 250k exp in a CS run at lvl 95 and I did tht for my last run to 96 to help someone. From what I understand a CS run is about 150-200K at lvl 91

I ahve been told diablo is the only moster able to drop a +2 ammy. If this helps any then good, but wouldnt that put him around lvl 85 or so? The river is definetly not 85 in Classic, nor is the pit.

I am not sure how they swing making these monstrs differnt lvls in xpac vs Classic but they cant be the same or it wouldnt be so slow lvling.

i do know Meph NM can drop a Soj, so I would guess anyhting in Act 4 NM can. Andy has always been a considerably lower lvl boss than Meph in all difficulties so I could see the lvl 39 being pretty close.

i suppose that this info is posted somewhere but probably archeived since LoD has been out so long. I use to know of a site that was dedicated to Classic but it closed about a year ago.

Andy Hell has a nack of dropping Stones. I have herd many people talk about them getting thiers there. Remember this, you arent lowering your odds trying to farm NM monsters for a Stone as the Stone is the highest lvl unique ring. If it rolls unique, you have jsut as good a odds with any boss able to drop it.

Gambling is another avenue to get it. It is a bit time consumign, but if you both MF, collect stuff, sell stuff and gamble then you are practically doing it all at the same time. Make you a guy, take him to lvl 29ish and freeze him. Collect the gold, move it and gamble it all on rings. I have no idea of which one has better odds, but when odds are in this type of area i frankly dont worry about it!

Just kill massive monsters, things will come........build without the stone and if ya get one either be better with it or rebuild........simple.

[TheCerberus]

About the monster lvl and experience gained, aren't the experience lvls at which one gains a level different in Classic and Expansion? I remember looking at ladder one day and noticing that, or maybe I can't read. Gambling can net you SoJs though, through gambling amulets. Save your gold until lvl 83, and then gamble away. 86 was a really good lvl for me, only time I got +2 amulets. But you can find really good ones that people will trade SoJs for. If there ever is a ladder reset and I can play again, I doubt I will make a MFer, but hey, never know I guess. Runs just don't appeal to me, the massive slayings does however.

[jsiv]

I was reading a thread somewhere on another forum, and someone said that there although NM Andy may provide the best chance to drop SoJs in expansion, NM Andariel cannot drop them in Classic. He said that opposed to Andy mlvl of 49 in expansion, she has a mlvl of 37 in classic.

Does this make sense to you guys? Could the mlvls differ in classic and expansion, or is this just some speculation?
Correct.

Andariel (classic): N: 12 NM:37 H: 62
Andariel (hell): N: 12 NM: 49: H:75

Taken from the classic monstats.txt.

And yes, only Diablo can drop +2 all skills amulets in classic. He is the highest level monster at level 90, which is the level required to drop +2 amulets.

I'd post the tables, but I'm not sure if I can convert them to a format that will fit in here.

EDIT: If you have a spreadsheet util like Excel, here are the two different monstats.txt files from classic and expansion. Look for the columns called Level, Level(N) and Level(H)...pretty much goes without saying, but here you are: http://home19.inet.tele.dk/jsiv/monstats110d2c_and_d2x.zip

[Unholy_VI]

Correct.

Andariel (classic): N: 12 NM:37 H: 62
Andariel (hell): N: 12 NM: 49: H:75

Taken from the classic monstats.txt.

And yes, only Diablo can drop +2 all skills amulets in classic. He is the highest level monster at level 90, which is the level required to drop +2 amulets.

I'd post the tables, but I'm not sure if I can convert them to a format that will fit in here.

EDIT: If you have a spreadsheet util like Excel, here are the two different monstats.txt files from classic and expansion. Look for the columns called Level, Level(N) and Level(H)...pretty much goes without saying, but here you are: http://home19.inet.tele.dk/jsiv/monstats110d2c_and_d2x.zip

I looked at those files you linked to. looks like 1 is from LoD 1.09 the other is LoD 1.10

am i missing something? Becuase the tables seem to have only the expansion values for the monsters.

Thanks

[jsiv]

Ah lol, zipped the wrong file, doh!

I'll fix it.

EDIT: There, updated the file, it should be correct now. Just use the same link as before.

[Unholy_VI]

Thanks Jsiv.

This is very nice info to have. :thumbsup:

[TheCerberus]

Thanks a lot Jsiv, that helps very much.
Good thing I don't have a MFer to waste all that time running her.