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(Ø=M)^42
31-05-2004, 14:30
Two and two can make five.

1984.

Edit: I just had to write this wonderful quote somwhere. Luckily there's an Off-Topic Forum here. The book 1984 is great.

WebDragon
31-05-2004, 14:44
Two Minutes Read Without The Hate - George Orwell

Jigga-Scrooge
31-05-2004, 14:50
explain how two and two can make five.

masterazn
31-05-2004, 14:52
So what...?

WebDragon
31-05-2004, 15:41
explain how two and two can make five.

Easy, just change the laws of mathematics.

Note: Is it just me or are the forum servers acting up?

bigD72
31-05-2004, 16:08
explain how two and two can make five.
Its not that math makes 2 + 2 =t 5, its that the government makes 2 + 2 =5.

WebDragon
31-05-2004, 16:11
Edit: I just had to write this wonderful quote somwhere. Luckily there's an Off-Topic Forum here. The book 1984 is great.

Alright folks, false alarm, move along now, nothing to see here.. move along.

Savage
31-05-2004, 16:16
Great book, but it's more the fact that one completely believes that 2 + 2 makes 5 that makes it "true".

tarnok
31-05-2004, 16:19
2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2.

Draconis
31-05-2004, 17:00
You just need to reassign the '+' sign to represent a mathematical operation that takes the sum of the two numbers and adds one.

WebDragon
31-05-2004, 17:07
2 + 2 = 5

2 + 2 = 4
4 = 4 x 1
(kicks the x so it falls to the side)
4= 4 + 1
2 + 2 = 4 + 1
2 + 2 = 5

QED

Nword
31-05-2004, 17:40
2 + 2 = 5

2 + 2 = 4
4 = 4 x 1
(kicks the x so it falls to the side)
4= 4 + 1
2 + 2 = 4 + 1
2 + 2 = 5

QED

*turns the alarm back on*

th5418
31-05-2004, 17:45
Actually 100=.0000000000001 too. Math is only a concept. We can bend it anyway we want.

Rius666
31-05-2004, 18:08
umm ya are we still talkin about the book 1984 cuz if we are i also enjoyed that book. Best part of the book is that last paragraph and the final 4 words of the novel. Go read it

iq144
31-05-2004, 18:30
Actually 100=.0000000000001 too. Math is only a concept. We can bend it anyway we want.

Such as .99999999999 = 1.

LuckyDwarf
31-05-2004, 18:58
1984 is my favorite book of all time. I am constantly alluding to it in papers and the like. It's a real masterpiece because the events in the book depict what is happening, and will happen, very clearly. Orwell is a great writer.

Lucky

lala
31-05-2004, 20:33
i just read it for school and i must say it was the best book i have read despite the fact that i hate reading.
Theres 3 more concepts:
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorence is Strength
God is Power

We had a class discussion and im beginning to think of US as the way they are in the book. In the book, Oceania (1/3 of the world, where the main char lives) is at constant war with the other 2 major powers. This need for war is to keep surplus supplies down and promotion of government. Also, war never happens on their own land and even though they have plenty of weapons, they keep stockpiling them.

This is much like the US, WW1, WW2, Cold war, Viet war, gulf war, Afghanistan, and iraq. they all seem to be one after another. War was never fought in the US, except when there were surprise attacks like pearl harbor and trade towers. Did you know they have enough nukes to nuke the world couple hundred times but they are still producing them?

thoughts?

SuggestiveName
31-05-2004, 21:29
War was never fought in the US, except when there were surprise attacks like pearl harbor and trade towers.Thank god the revolutionary war, war of 1812 and civil war weren't fought in the US.

lala
31-05-2004, 21:32
Thank god the revolutionary war, war of 1812 and civil war weren't fought in the US.
im talking about when the borders were settled and some countries can be recognized as powers

bigD72
31-05-2004, 21:36
im talking about when the borders were settled and some countries can be recognized as powers
How do we know the borders are settled now? Your wrong, just admit it. And countries (read: Britain) were recognized as powers.

Draconis
31-05-2004, 21:38
This is much like the US, WW1, WW2, Cold war, Viet war, gulf war, Afghanistan, and iraq. they all seem to be one after another.

Hint, they seem to be one after the other because you wrote them down in a list.

lala
31-05-2004, 21:52
How do we know the borders are settled now? Your wrong, just admit it. And countries (read: Britain) were recognized as powers.
Yes I'm wrong, I admit it. What's with the offensive tone?

ash2ash
01-06-2004, 00:04
Easy,

Proof:

5 = 3 + 2

let y = x;

y + y = y + x

2y = y + x

2y - 2x = y + x - 2x

2(y - x) = y - x

2 = 1

------------------------------------------------

since 2=1,

3 + 2 = 3 + 1

But since 3+2 = 5 and 3 + 1 = 2 + 2

5 = 2 + 2

QED :D

lala
01-06-2004, 00:23
it's wrong in the first line already, if y=y and x=x, how can y=x?
if you start at y=x, might as well start at 5=4

ash2ash
01-06-2004, 00:32
it's wrong in the first line already, if y=y and x=x, how can y=x?
if you start at y=x, might as well start at 5=4

I'm just saying that for any number which y equals, x equals that number as well - It's a general case.

There's a trick to that proof, but it's not in the first line...

WebDragon
01-06-2004, 00:45
I'm just saying that for any number which y equals, x equals that number as well - It's a general case.

There's a trick to that proof, but it's not in the first line...

Well yeah.. in this case the last 2 lines is where the trick is, I think...

If we take it in a different direction from there, if we say..

2(y - x) = y - x

&

y=x

Then we can subsitute the y for an x, since they're equal, so..

2(y - x) = y - x
2(x - x) = x - x
2( 0 ) = 0

2 * 0 = 1 * 0

2 != 1

QED
:thanks:

lala
01-06-2004, 01:01
we have a winner!

Stevinator
01-06-2004, 05:44
Easy,

Proof:

5 = 3 + 2

let y = x;

y + y = y + x

2y = y + x

2y - 2x = y + x - 2x

2(y - x) = y - x

2 = 1

------------------------------------------------

since 2=1,

3 + 2 = 3 + 1

But since 3+2 = 5 and 3 + 1 = 2 + 2

5 = 2 + 2

QED :D

one line equals zero which is a big no no.
2y - 2x = y + x - 2x

the last line of 1984 was I love big brother (i think).

1984 was a great book. I recommend it to everyone. the concepts discussed abve can all be neatly narrowed down to "doublethink". it's the act of functioning while knowing one thing to be true, while also believing something else that is completely contradictory. at the same time.

much of what is thought and known in 1984 is a lie, purpotrated by the ministry of truth. however, the citizens that get that everything is a lie, also believe the lies, while also bleiving that in actual fact. the concept here is that a completely totalitarian government would no only control a person's actions, but their thoughts as well. it's a frightening thought. Equally frightening though is the world described in "A brave new world", by aldus huxley in his world, instead of the governemnt watching oyu and making sure you did what you were supposed to, they instead changed the culture to complete moral relativism. nothing was concretely wrong or right. if anyone got rowdy they were drugged with soma, which made them feel happy agian and they would forget what made them upset.

these books offer two frightening poles of extremism. one we go all the way to the left, and the other we go all the way to the right. the end result is the same. totalitarianism.

there's a lesson here somewhere...but I'll let you decide what it is.

read both books, they come highly recommended by more than just stevinator. :)

edit:all my base are belong to webdragon

i think I've said that before

WebDragon
01-06-2004, 05:53
edit:all my base are belong to webdragon

i think I've said that before

:worship: We're not worthy! We're not worthy! :worship:

masterazn
01-06-2004, 12:58
Math is only a concept. We can bend it anyway we want.

If only that was true....argh, math exam tomorrow..

iq144
02-06-2004, 00:44
Equally frightening though is the world described in "A brave new world", by aldus huxley in his world, instead of the governemnt watching oyu and making sure you did what you were supposed to, they instead changed the culture to complete moral relativism. nothing was concretely wrong or right. if anyone got rowdy they were drugged with soma, which made them feel happy agian and they would forget what made them upset.

I found them both equally frightening, both scary and both painful. The ending of A Brave New World, where

SPOILER! SPOILER!

SPOILER! SPOILER!

the poor guy isolates himself and is STILL tracked down and has the culture (which is by all means 'accepting' and 'loving' *cough*) forced on him with spray Soma. Then he hangs himself. Awesome.

And no one got the .99999=1 joke. I'm ashamed, deeply, deeply ashamed of you guys.

Corneo
02-06-2004, 01:41
My professor actually made use find .999 in fractional form using geometric series. I kept getting my answer as 1. Then I remember the stupid .999=1

Mr.Bogohossian
02-06-2004, 02:40
damn it when i was in grade 10 and read that book, all i cared was how that guy was screwing that younger girl. anyways gotta re-read.