Synergies Questiion...

[diabloxx14xx14]

:scratch:

I would like to know if synergies work after level 20...

ex. i have frozen orb its synergy is ice bolt
If i have frozen orb at 20 and ice bolt at 20 will it make a difference in damage to my orb if my ice bolt becomes 21? (+1 synergy bonus...ty)

im sorry if i wasnt clear, if its not tell me to clarify

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[Jayaz_Forteck]

No, synnergies only apply up to lvl 20, you won't gain a synnergy bonus for +skills.

[Absolute-Fire]

only the hard skill point will give synergy to other skill, item all up doesn't count

[diabloxx14xx14]

crap and that is tight, well crap because i been spending points into vit, tight because if i figure it right i can have my tstorm/orb sorc w/full energy shield

+3 occy
+1 min armor
+2 min ammy (tals)
+2 min helm (shako or mightwing)
= 8 + skills

ok thanks u sob i have to redo my sorc because of you, well atleast she'll be better

how does this sound

orb = 20
icemastery = 9
ice bolt = 12
telekenisis = 12
tstorm = 20
light mastery= 20
energu shield =20

all points or most into energy, should i get max block, u get the idea right?
full energy shield with orb sorcy, will it work?

can u give feedback ty

[diabloxx14xx14]

only the hard skill point will give synergy to other skill, item all up doesn't count

so ur saying that i have base 12 ice bolt and with +skills i have a ice bolt of 20, only 12 synergy bonus points will go to my orb?....please respond, ty, if u r right i dont have to rebuild :-)

[cheap_trik]

yes, you will only have a slvl 12 synergy for your orb
if u want to take her into hell tho, u should fully synergize it

[Absolute-Fire]

so ur saying that i have base 12 ice bolt and with +skills i have a ice bolt of 20, only 12 synergy bonus points will go to my orb?....please respond, ty, if u r right i dont have to rebuild :-)

correct :surprise:

[diabloxx14xx14]

correct :surprise:

ty, i dont have to rebuild, yay :clap:

[Absolute-Fire]

crap and that is tight, well crap because i been spending points into vit, tight because if i figure it right i can have my tstorm/orb sorc w/full energy shield

+3 occy
+1 min armor
+2 min ammy (tals)
+2 min helm (shako or mightwing)
= 8 + skills

ok thanks u sob i have to redo my sorc because of you, well atleast she'll be better

how does this sound

orb = 20
icemastery = 9
ice bolt = 12
telekenisis = 12
tstorm = 20
light mastery= 20
energu shield =20

all points or most into energy, should i get max block, u get the idea right?
full energy shield with orb sorcy, will it work?

can u give feedback ty
is your sorc going for pvp or pvm?
if you are planning for pvp i highly recommend the following build
orb = 20
icebolt = 20
cold mastery = 20
Telekinessis = 20
Energy shield = 1
rest go for warmth
str = till you can use your ss
dex = max blocking
vit = base(normally) --->1300+ life after your own BO recommended
nrg = rest of point ---> 1500+ mana after your own BO is highly recommended

71%~75% E-shield is enough, higher ES = commit suicide
:buddies:

[lewkc]

yes, you will only have a slvl 12 synergy for your orb
if u want to take her into hell tho, u should fully synergize it

Hi there,

Does the synergy only works that way for Sorc or for all other char too?

Just curious because people keep on saying let the + skill to bring it up and therefore u can put less points.

Does it work the same for Necro too

[Superhal]

there is a bug where you can get >20 synergies only if you have 0 "hard" skill points in that skill, and an item that gives a high level of that skill (charges or skill.) commonly this is known as the "marrowalk bug" as it is most commonly used with marrowalks and bonespirit/armor/spear for necros.

for sorcs, the only one available i think is flamebellow.

[Uzziah]

there is a bug where you can get >20 synergies only if you have 0 "hard" skill points in that skill, and an item that gives a high level of that skill (charges or skill.) commonly this is known as the "marrowalk bug" as it is most commonly used with marrowalks and bonespirit/armor/spear for necros.

for sorcs, the only one available i think is flamebellow.

Not true about just flamebellow. You can use any of the charged items a sorcs and a nercos have a large number of these affixes if you found the right equipment and used the right skill you could create a build abusing the heck out of this bug for a sorc. It would take extremely careful planning and using only lower skills with little or no prereq's.

A charged boltress can use this bug with items charged with lightning you will not be as strong as a fully synergied charged boltress but you will be left with 20 skill points to use elsewhere. Would probably make for a good trielemental build.

[Superhal]

You can use any of the charged items a sorcs and a nercos have a large number of these affixes if you found the right equipment and used the right skill you could create a build abusing the heck out of this bug for a sorc.

well, he was asking about synergies over 20. i don't think you can get over 20 from this method.

[edit] checked out flamebellow, can't do it with that.

[Uzziah]

well, he was asking about synergies over 20. i don't think you can get over 20 from this method.

[edit] checked out flamebellow, can't do it with that.

Flamebellow doesnt even have charges on it. it has +3 fire skills +19 inferno when a sorc uses it they get +6 to inferno 3 from +3 fire and 3 from the +19 inferno. Its a clause in the way +specific skills (not limited by class) works for unique items.

They were asking about over 20 for synergies. I compiled a list of all charged unique items it has just the item name charge on it and how much/ slvl of the charge. Using the marrowwind bug the necros win out hands down just look at the list and youll see why.

item charges lvl of charge #of charges
Arachnid Mesh Venom 3 11
carrion wind plague ploppy 21 15
natures peace oak sage 5 27
wisp projector oak sage 2 15
wisp projector heart of wolverine 5 13
wisp projector spirit of barbs 7 15
metal grid iron golem 22 11
metal grid iron maiden 12 20
Corpsemourn corpse explosion 5 40
Marrowwalk bone prison 33 13
Marrowwalk life tap 12 10
darksight helm cloak of shadows 5 30
Andariel's Visage venom 3 20
Radament's Sphere poison explosion 6 40
spellsteel teleport 1 20
spellsteel decrepify 3 30
spellsteel holybolt 10 100
spellsteel firestorm 12 60
Boneslayer Blade holybolt 20 200
sureshrill frost frozen orb 9 50
moonfall meteor 11 60
Baezil's Vortex nova 15 80
The Gavel of Pain amplify damage 8 3
demon limb enchant 23 20
Nord's Tenderizer blizzard 16 12
bonehew corpse explosion 14 30
hexfire hydra 6 36
bloodmoon blood golem 15 9
Blackhand Key grim ward 13 30

[melianor]

well, he was asking about synergies over 20. i don't think you can get over 20 from this method.

[edit] checked out flamebellow, can't do it with that.
We are talking about charges here! not +skills on items!!

If you dont put any hard skillpoints into a synergy skill and then use an items that has charges, and if that charge is a spell that would give a synergy then you will get synergy bonus equal to the lvl of the charges!

Thats why Necromancers use Marrowwalk! And yes, all lvls of the charges, also those above lvl20 work as a synergy!

[skygoneblue]

I might be a bit off topic, but does anyone else think that pumping points into Ice Bolt for the FO synergy is a dumb idea when you don't have a maxed mastery?
I realize that you don't always have to max the mastery, but the mastery will ALWAYS increase the damage more than the 2% synergy.
Ice Bolt is a waste unless you're PVP.

[melianor]

I might be a bit off topic, but does anyone else think that pumping points into Ice Bolt for the FO synergy is a dumb idea when you don't have a maxed mastery?
I realize that you don't always have to max the mastery, but the mastery will ALWAYS increase the damage more than the 2% synergy.
Ice Bolt is a waste unless you're PVP.
Not for a Pure Orb Sorceress...

[bronzdragon5545]

why are we talking about cheap bugs anyways? from waht ive heard most people here say there to good for this sort of stuff.

[Jayaz_Forteck]

Wth is plague poppy anyway?

And yes, synnergies are the same for all classes, the only way to get more would be to sub a charged item for hard points in the skill. but that's an evil bug...

Also, i'd avoid energy shiled alltogether, it's just not worth the two skills you need to make it even halfway decent.

If you go pure orb + 1 warmth you only use 65 skill points, what would you do with the rest?