I need help on making a blizzard sorc

[D2 renegade]

I want a blizzard sorc so i can mf really fast. I need your help in puttin the points in the right places. i am planning on wearing full tals is this a good idea for a blizzard sorc. Thx for your help.

[Shanksie1337]

read catchs' blizz guide stickied at the top of these forums, and yes full tals on a blizz sorc is good :D

[BabehJesus]

Actually, for pure blizz, full Tal's isn't the best.

Pure blizz sorcs are built for one thing, and one thing alone: Mephing. He's slow, he's weak, and he has the highest MF drop rate in the game. So you want to do as much damage as possible in the least number of casts.

You need a setup that gives you decent FCR, to get through Durance, and lots of +'s, to make your blizzard do good damage. My MF blizz sorc uses:

-PTopaz'd Shako
-PTopaz'd Tal's Armor
-Tal's Ammy
-Cold Facet'd Occy/Wizspike
-Um'd SS/Lidless
-Tal's Belt
-SOJ
-SOJ
-PUpped Chancies
-War Travs

+9 to all skills, just under 394% MF, and 70% FCR on switch. It works for me.

[Shanksie1337]

actually babeh i totally disagree - my blizz sorc has:
more damage
more mana
more life
more resists
When she wears full Tals as opposed to either partial Tals or the shako/ocy/skullders combo's.

Plus she has enough FCR so that i never die getting to meph (once you have some skill at tele'ing about, get better at navigating durance 2, and/or you are a decent clvl FCR becomes redundant).

So maybe it's down to personal preference, but going by the figures on my sorc, the numbers are higher with full Tals. (28 Blizzard and 30 CM - and i wear 2 nagels instead of SoJ's).

She also has 61x mf when i switch for the kill. It works for me.

[BabehJesus]

more damage

You would know this...how? I never said how much damage my blizz does.

more mana

Uh...when did I say how much mana I had?

more life

Again, with the you not knowing.

more resists

Cheers to that. Full Tal's maxes resists, if I remember correctly.

Of course, I know that you're just saying that full Tal's gives more damage bonuses, more mana bonuses, more life bonuses, and more resist bonuses, not saying that you have more than me in all.

Plus she has enough FCR so that i never die getting to meph
once you have some skill at tele'ing about, get better at navigating durance 2, and/or you are a decent clvl FCR becomes redundant

You have enough FCR! I never, ever die teleing to Meph, but I occasionally get lost for a little while, if the map ends up in a big 'U' shape and I tele to the top of one side. FCR from 0%-60% is to get you away from things like dolls. Past 60%, it's to get you out of dead ends. And, no, I don't care if you're Lvl. 99, if you try teleing through Durance with 30% FCR, you're dead (and it'll also take you two and a half minutes to do Meph, if you can make it through alive).

and i wear 2 nagels instead of SoJ's

How much mana do you have?

How much damage does your blizz do?

She also has 61x mf when i switch for the kill

61X? Is that a new number? Please clarify.

How much MF do you have without charms (I have like four, I'm working on trading for more). That 394% was without charms.

And I don't mean to cause a post war, it's just that you disagreed with me, and used my post as a point of reference when showing the good points of yours. There were just a few things I wanted cleared up.

[Shanksie1337]

MY sorc has more mana/life/res etc etc wearing full tals, as opposed to other possibilities she could wear, but that was kinda of obvious i thought as there would be no way to know the stats on your sorc. If ofc you understood but wanted to look clever and give the "smart & witty" replies, than that really wasn't called for and made the first half of your reply totally pointless, if you understood why pretend that you didn't?

As for your other questions:
lvl 87 with:
514 mana
1522 life (vita sorc as opposed to a max block sorc)
4155-4394 Blizz.
1938-2011 Ice Blast.
482 mf on equipment only (including 125 from Rhyme + Gull on switch).
618 total mf (Plus 48 mf on the merc if i can be bothered letting him have the final whack) = 666 mf for the merc kill.

"And, no, I don't care if you're Lvl. 99, if you try teleing through Durance with 30% FCR, you're dead (and it'll also take you two and a half minutes to do Meph, if you can make it through alive).”

I disagree with this too, the only thing that really causes a meph run to take over 60 seconds or so, is the time taken to find the steps, and FCR really doesn't do much to cut this down - i spent a few runs doing meph naked (my sorc not me - BAAAAD images there), to show a m8 how easy mephing is [not totally naked, wearing just a belt for some potions]. As for dieing it's almost impossible to die in durance 2, unless you run into a nasty aura'd pack and manage to land right in the middle, even then you should be able to teleport out again before you take too many hits, especially if you use Frozen Armour. FA is my get out of jail free card - they hit me, i live, they get frozen and i tele away again.

As already stated if you don't want to cause a post war, u really should have edited out the attitude - which i did on this post. (bar maybe this paragraph :P)

On a side note, it would also have been sensible for you to post the stats on your sorc, but it isn't really important as they don't mean much really. As you correctly stated "Mephing. He's slow, he's weak," and you can easily kill him with a blizz less than 3k, it just takes one or two extra blizz's.

@D2Renegade - as you can tell by our somewhat overheated discussion (we seem to be having a silly debate because he prefers one set up, and i prefer a different one :scratch: ). It doesn't really matter what you wear to run meph. I used to swear by ocy/shako/skullders, then i got a Tal's Armour and decided the partial Tals was better, then finally after reading the uber long thread on Tals, somewhere on this forum, after trying it i finally made up my mind that full Tals was better for me.

But ofc other ppl will prefer other equipment combo's for whatever reasons, ateotd meph is an easy run in less than perfect gear - and as such makes an excellent run for poorer D2 players to gather some items for use and trade, and so running him in whatever decent gear you prefer should be very easy.

[enigmachine]

"And I don't mean to cause a post war"

If you feel the need to explain things like that, it's probably too late.

[BabehJesus]

First of all, I am a naturally witty/sarcastic person. It's simply in my nature, and I didn't take five minutes out of what I was doing to come up with those obnoxious comments. It's how I would respond if we were arguing in real life.

To add on to that, I put in the little message about not wanting to start a post war because some people feel that any response to a contradicting post is automatically hostile. Take my word on it, I could be much more hostile, and any hostility you felt there was completely unintentional.

...well, maybe not entirely unintentional, but you have to give the sarcasm and wit a little leeway there. :evil:

There is a clear difference between your sorc and my sorc, and that is that you are a vitasorc, and I am a max block sorc. This was my first try at a sorc, so naturally, I don't expect the first build to be perfect. I can honestly admit that your build is better, and I am going to list why, not for your satisfaction, but for the sorc who made the thread.

1. Max block is useful, and to those who cherish it, it is essentially 75% more life. However, in the end, vitality is vitality, and the stat points used up getting max block (in my case, bringing strength up to about 160 for SS, and dexterity up to 210, which still isn't enough for max block at my level) are much less useful than loads into vitality.

2. I never put a point into any armor, which probably would have negated the need for max block. Silly me. In one level, I could have prevented wasting every from 75 to 99 (because I constantly have to add to dexterity).

3. Resists...I've been struggling to get mine to decent levels, but I haven't gotten mine to where I want them to be. Where are yours?

4. Less expensive. You can get the whole set for about two 290's. That's the price of my shield (um'd SS).

And last, but not least, the one thing that comes to mind when I think of things that are better about my build.

500 mana? How many full juvies do you carry around?

So, once again, I apologize.

[Shanksie1337]

excellent reply babeh :D

i also apologize :D Infact i think we are very much alike, ie i am also very sarcastic and "cutting" irl, but uf i have to curb in on forums as no one can see me smile :D

my res's are all 75 in hell, bar poison @ about 30 (but u can't die from poison anyways), and it's nothing a quick antidote won't cure - and if i am gonna run Andy i'll drink an antidote before i start the run for the temp boost to P res.

As for mana - my belt always has 4 Super Heal, 4 Full Rejuv and 8 Super Mana - 99% of the time i find and kill Mephi using 4 or less mana pots. I can't remember the last time i needed a full rejuv to keep me alive - the dumb merc is a different matter - esp vs. Andariel - even with shed loads of life and 75 P res.

And fyi my full gear is:
Full Tal's (armour and helm "P Topaz'd")
29 + 30 Nagel
40 upp'd Chancies
46 WT's
Lidless "P Diamond"

With Gull + Rhyme on switch

40 Gheeds, some 20 Life sc's, 7 mfsc's and a crappy Anni in inventory.

The funny thing is i have never tried a max block sorc - all that "dex needed for max block at bla bla level" confused me when i first started playing, and now i understand it i am too set in my max vita ways to bother change now. Especially as i prefer more flexability when deciding on a shield.

[enigmachine]

Long winded explanations aren't needed. Be clear enough so as not to be misinterpreted.

BabehJesus

"First of all, I am a naturally witty/sarcastic person"
You need wit to be witty.

"It's how I would respond if we were arguing in real life"
Therein lies the problem. The person asked for advice and this is a place to discuss, not argue.

"some people feel that any response to a contradicting post"
You were not responding to a contradicting post. You were the contradicting post.

"maybe not entirely unintentional"
See above.

"have to give the sarcasm and wit a little leeway there"
Had the original response been tactful, that might have made sense.

"can honestly admit that your build is better"
Almost anyone who looks at the two builds will realise this.


Shanksie1337

"excellent reply babeh"
The word "sorry" alone would have been excellent.

"i also apologize"
You have no need - it's not you at issue.

"i am also very sarcastic and "cutting""
You are presuming he is to anyone but himself and giving yourself too much of the same credit.

You both "believe" you are but wit is in the ear or eye of the listener or beholder.

"can't die from poison anyways"
Anything can leave you at one point, but it's all a catalyst for the next and equally painful.


Perhaps that subject can be put to bed and the advice, the original poster asked for, given!

As a reminder:

D2 renegade

I want a blizzard sorc so i can mf really fast. I need your help in puttin the points in the right places. i am planning on wearing full tals is this a good idea for a blizzard sorc. Thx for your help.