Trick to teleporting

[totoro]

Is there some trick to teleporting? I seem to always die when I try. I inevitably tele into a pack of stygian dolls in durance, or some other nasty monster pack in worldstone. Once I get hit, I can't get my tele going again, and I die. Don't know what i am doing wrong. Maybe not tapping the mouse button fast enough? :scratch:

[Nirlem]

Trick one:
stay close to walls the monsters are usually in the middle.

Trick two:
make sure you have over 63% fast cast

Trick three:
Holy freeze merc (to slow the monsters down)

Trick four:
Shiver armor (to slow the monsters down)


use all four of the above and teleporting should become easier!


edited some spelling!

[totoro]

Thanks for such a quick reply!

[Billweed]

Thanks for such a quick reply!
one more trick - get decent block including FBR and good FHR and you won't get caught in stunlock blocklock if you end up in a crowd, Energy Shield helps too.

[sexyfool]

[QUOTE=Billweed]one more trick - get decent block including FBR and good FHR and you won't get caught in stunlock blocklock if you end up in a crowd, Energy Shield helps too.[/QUOTE

This is an opinion I do not share. If you are hit by a pack of light/mana drain bad guys like gloams anything other than massive mana and high pts invested in ES will result in total mana drain which means popping blue pots before tele. That usually means you get scraped.

The way the original poster asked his question suggests he is inexperienced. Therefore I suggest he drops ES altogether, sticks with base or minimal mana and pumps vita and dex for max block, high life sorc. Easy and cheesy. :uhhuh:

[UselessOne]

It takes practice. However, there will come a time when you teleport right into a boss pack that has fanaticism or is extra fast that that often means death. With mana burn by itself, at least you have one or two seconds to save and exit.

[Superhal]

hold down alt when tping. it will keep you from getting stopped.

usually i hold the mouse button down when tping, either 65% or 105% fcr, no problems either way.

dolls shouldn't be giving you a problem. ever. worldstone or durance. they only hurt when they die, therefore just don't attack them.

if only elemental auras are killing you, then your problem is resists or absorbs. i use tgods/dwarf/ravenfrost.

with absorbs, i use max block, max resists, and some dam reduce thrown in. also, usually >200 vit, which may help in avoiding hit recovery lock.

ah yes, ES. it is the biggest harakiri'er in the game. i can't count how many es sorcs i've seen die, but i can count the ones that survive on one hand. you have to be built for ES for it to work, but it does work well. to a point. if you only have 1/1 es/tk, then you can probably double your survival rate by just not using it.

[Tinitha]

Your problems are:

1. Slow Teleport.
2. Get interrupted (mainly, by a stygian doll)
3. Loss of all your mana, so you must stop teleport to drink a mana pot.
4. Lost Soul lightnings doing Baal Hell runs.
5. Walk or run between teleports.

The best sorc for teleport has:

1. 105% FCR (but 63% FCR is enough)
2. 75% Block
3. No Energy Shield nor damage-to-mana items. You need your mana for teleport, not for waste! <-- THIS IS A MUST
4. 60% FHR (but 42% FHR is enough)
5. Shiver armor
6. Holy Freeze merc (but defiance is also good)
7. Lightning resistance maxed and lightning damage absorption (doing Baal hell runs the only thing that could kill this sorc is a pack of lost souls aiming his ligthnings together).
8. The run/walk button in walking position.

Tin.

[awjl]

Your problems are:

1. Slow Teleport.
2. Get interrupted (mainly, by a stygian doll)
3. Loss of all your mana, so you must stop teleport to drink a mana pot.
4. Lost Soul lightnings doing Baal Hell runs.
5. Walk or run between teleports.

The best sorc for teleport has:

1. 105% FCR (but 63% FCR is enough)
2. 75% Block
3. No Energy Shield nor damage-to-mana items. You need your mana for teleport, not for waste! <-- THIS IS A MUST
4. 60% FHR (but 42% FHR is enough)
5. Shiver armor
6. Holy Freeze merc (but defiance is also good)
7. Lightning resistance maxed and lightning damage absorption (doing Baal hell runs the only thing that could kill this sorc is a pack of lost souls aiming his ligthnings together).
8. The run/walk button in walking position.

Tin.

i am interested in this. Maybe can explain a bit on point 8. "The run/walk button in walking position." why is this so?
:scratch:

[Herald of Doom]

i am interested in this. Maybe can explain a bit on point 8. "The run/walk button in walking position." why is this so?
:scratch:
Only thing I can think of: when running you have 1/3rd of your normal blockrate, which causes you to get hit more. If that's not it, then i'm gonna learn something new soon ;)

Imo, 63 fcr+shiver armor+keeping alt down is all it takes so survive as long as you stick to the wall. Gloams dont have insta-hit, so if you tele correctly you wont get hit.

HoD

[Yossarian]

3. No Energy Shield nor damage-to-mana items. You need your mana for teleport, not for waste! <-- THIS IS A MUST

This is the one I don't get.

A good ES is the best defence. No animation to slow you when your hit. Get a nice big mana pool and no worries.

The second part is just clueless. Damage to mana items HELP. If you take 200 damage and have 10% damage taken goes to mana, than you just added 20 mana to your pool. If you don't use huge ES it's a must to have an item that adds so that you can always escape if you get hammered by a MD monster.

[Superhal]

damage to mana doesn't work vs mana drain monsters. see the es thread.

[Tinitha]

This is the one I don't get.

A good ES is the best defence. No animation to slow you when your hit. Get a nice big mana pool and no worries..


A nice big mana pool implies to spend lots of points boosting NRG. So I have less points to invest in DEX and VIT.
It also makes me to spend 40 skill points maxing TK and ES. This lets me 40!!!! less skill points to invest in spells to kill monsters.

This is that I call a WASTE of skill and attr points.

All of this only to let monsters burn lots and lots of my mana. I prefer max resistances... I assume you know that elemental damage applies BEFORE elemental resistance calculations... so, compared to maxblock ES is a complete waste of points.

Maybe, with very good items you can build a 1-element sorc with MaxBlock and perfect ES (a tank) and let your merc kill immunes. Personally i don't like this built.


The second part is just clueless. Damage to mana items HELP. If you take 200 damage and have 10% damage taken goes to mana, than you just added 20 mana to your pool. If you don't use huge ES it's a must to have an item that adds so that you can always escape if you get hammered by a MD monster.

Your own words...

Let's see a pack of 6xLOST SOULS in a Hell Baal Run that shoot at me.

If I take 6x2000 instant-lightning elemental damage and have 10% damage go to mana I get a COMPLETE AND WITHOUT REDUCTION INSTANT BURN of 1200 mana points.

I'm alive but...

Pooofff !!!! My mana pool is empty.

Pooofff !!!! I can't tele.

Pooofff !!!! I'm dead.

Easy.
Do not let the lightning resistance apply is another waste. You can obtain this easily with damage-to-mana items.

And remember: you have 40 minus skill points to put in the killing tree.

Tin

[Billweed]

one more trick - get decent block including FBR and good FHR and you won't get caught in stunlock blocklock if you end up in a crowd, Energy Shield helps too.
Maybe I was not clear -FHR and FBR are the best if going high dex/vit, the ES helps too comment is if you are a ES build with a big mana pool points in teleport etc (see the ES guides threads) 1 pointing it is a waste I agree but a MAX ES and 16 point Teleport build with a big mana pool will never have a problem (except the Single Player Ancients bug)

[BabehJesus]

Here are a few tips I'd have to any sorc who relies on teleing for movement as opposed to walking/running.

1. Don't click, just hold your mouse down. You can't rely on yourself to have fast enough reflexes to get yourself out of sticky situations (EX: mobs of undead stygian dolls), and it can't hurt to keep moving, even if you move in the wrong direction. The only time this can hurt you is when you stop paying attention and just tele straight into a wall, and continue to do so, wasting your mana, and leaving you open to be attacked.

2. FCR is a necessity, as people have stated before. If you don't have good FCR, teleing won't move you around much faster than walking, which doesn't improve your situation at all. Also, if you don't have good FCR, and you plan on teleing, max block will most likely hurt you, block-locking you in place, leaving you for the dolls.

3. When you're teleing Meph, just tele nonstop, acknowledging the rules of Meph mapspawning, and pay most of your attention to the tab-map, and as soon as you see the magenta dash that leads to Lvl. 3, you're good from then on.

4. When you're teleing Baal, max resists and absorb are more important than max block, because souls shoot fast enough to block-lock you, and if you can't reduce their damage, you're fried. However, as stated, you don't want that damage redirected to your mana pool, because you'll need mana to tele out of there.

I'm sure most of this was already said, but I'm new to forum. Pity the n00b (not to D2, though). :uhhuh:

[Henfu]

3. No Energy Shield nor damage-to-mana items. You need your mana for teleport, not for waste! <-- THIS IS A MUST


Hey, Im no sorc expert, but I agree with the ES. You dont want ur mana dropping from any other sources besides tele. However, I think %damage taken goes to mana is actually something good for teleing. I know that in ES when you take dmg, ur blue bulb will decrease. However, to my knowledge, with damage taken goes to mana, when you take damage, u will gain mana from taken damage. THerefore, I think %damage goes to mana would be a great mod to have while teleporting (I think one of the tal pieces has this mod). Also, some other suggestions I have is that make sure you dont wait until ur mana is completely dry before taking a potion (of course this is hard when some mana burn dude hits you), but otherwise, keep a eye on ur mana and when it starts to get low, take a potion, so ur mana will never go all the way to 0 from teleing. I would also suggest full rejuvs when you do get mana burned.

[Tanatus]

Aim for 105FCR - if you have that much you dont even need sheild - you teleport so fast that not a single attack can be started before you will be out of monster crowed
Dont use shiver armor, use frozen armor instead which freeze instead of slow - much more usefull during teleportaion. As ppl stated above teleport along walls. ES or not ES not really matter ... as long as you have 105FCR
Always have rejuce or full rejuce loaded. Normal health/mana not refill you instantly but rejuce do
If you want have some safety net I'd highly recomend use for teleportation next combination Wizzardspike (50FCR/75 resist all/track load mana) and Pdiamonded/Umed upgraded (this is important) Viscerataunt (or Pdiamonded Whitestan guard or 2 Pdiamonded upgraded Moser). Which each combination you will have faster/fastest block, maxed block with minimum dextrity invested and resistance to all will be between 94-113 which after 3X anya quest will net you in hell 24-43 resist all just with prime hand + sheild

[diabloxx14xx14]

I have orb/meteor sorc, lv 58 or so,
she has occulus, lidless, vipermagi armor, and frost burns and she can tele really good bc of the tips, now how can i get 105% fast cas rate?

ty, btw, is ur orb/meteor sorc doing good in mf?

[BabehJesus]

Lidless = 20% FCR
Occy = 30% FCR
Skins = 30% FCR

This gives you 80% FCR.

Now, just wear...

Arach = 20% FCR
Wizspike = 50% FCR

Put either Occy on switch or Wizspike + Lidless on switch, and you have 120%.

Of course, this is for a regular sorc. Arach should not be used on an MF sorc, as great as it is.

[Superhal]

I have orb/meteor sorc, lv 58 or so,
she has occulus, lidless, vipermagi armor, and frost burns and she can tele really good bc of the tips, now how can i get 105% fast cas rate?


lots of ways. easiest is to use wiz spike (50). i get it with spike, 2X fcr rings, magefists, and 20 fcr ammy.

[Tanatus]

Trick is have "teleportation" switch
Wizzi is 50FCR, Lidless 20FCR, Viper is 30FCR - so you have already here 100FCR... so many choices here to pick 5 more FCR
Magefist 20FCR
Arachnids web sash 20FCR
Rare/crafted rings can comes with 10FCR
Magic ammulets can have as high as 20FCR
P.S. Btw also I fogot to mention its usefull to have some sort of FHR too

[Zroc]

Ok, I totally agree that using ES while also trying to run max block is A Really Bad Idea.

However, running min-ES (as in, 1 point ES, 1 point TK) with NO block is fantastic. Instead of dumping huge points in dex, put zero in dex, and put those in mana. I run 1000 life and 1500 mana pre-BO.

For the simple reason that:
1) With no block, you never go into block animations.
2) With min-ES absorb (which'll be somewhere between 55 and 65, depending on your skill gear), you never go into hit-recovery animations either.

That's it. You just telebaal, basically ignoring everything. With THAT much mana, I have never NOT been able to tele away, even from manaburn boss packs, simply because the regen is so fast. And you don't get stuck in block-lock. Plus, with that much mana, a mana pot gives you a ridiculous amount of mana recovery.

I went into this in detail here:
http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=188462

And if you get a battle order (which if you're telebaaling, you will get 90% of the time, if you don't have your own CTA)...I actually get surprised if I have to even use a single potion at all during the run.

Hey, I've tried both...I have two 90's block sorcs, and two 90's min-ES/no block sorcs. Min-ES/no block is much more effective for telebaaling.

If you've already dumped a lot of points in dex...do NOT try to start using ES. You won't have the stat points to do both, plain and simple. If you're starting a new char, by all means, try it. You'll dig it ;)

[Yossarian]

ES rocks for 3 reasons.

You can ignore res (wear any gear)
No points in DEX or VIT (few in STR) HUGE mana pool
No animations

I "waste" 40 skill points but basically have a life ball in the thousands. I wear the best MF or skills gear with no concerns. Plus it's still not that hard to kill. LV 30-35 blizzard kills quick. Plus a back up skill in the fire tree at LV 10-15 is good enough to help the merc.

BTW with so much mana and fast reg even glooms are no prob.

[Vakarrona]

Are we talking of teleporting at Meph or Baal with or without MH??
My sorcs don't get ES or block. All points to vita and enoughf to str to wear equipment. I dont tele to Baal or Meph because I don't use MH and therefore I can't see what's behind a wall, plus I play HC and it's kinda stupid to loose a char while teleporting.
I'm guessing you all assume this (ES+Block+Huge mana pool+FCR+...) conversation is with MH on... TRY IT WITH NO MH.

While Baaling with my necro I get amazed with so much quiters... No Barb or no Sorc and BoooM, everyone quits game. Why not walk and kill everything? I have no problem with that even with souls. People is just to lazy to do the things right and legit. Too bad.

Play legit, have fun.

[sexyfool]

I am hclwest no mh. I am also one of those lazy people who disappear from games if there is no sorc to tele and baba to bo. Half of it is being lazy, the other half is avoiding script pks. I lost 2 sorcs in 2 days making my new talssorc. Fortunately both were in the 40-60 range so whilst I lost useful building items my hard earned Tals Set was intact.

Back to the thread subject.

The ES none ES debate is still continuiing with well reasoned points on both sides. Good to see both camps saying that you either build for it or not. 1.10 has been a great upgrade for planned characters and sorcs are so vulnerable that planning your skills and attributes to work with your end game items is a must.

The % of dmg goes to mana points are, I think, a little misunderstood. % of dmg goes to mana is a mod which takes PHYSICAL damage and converts a given percentage of that dmg and adds it to your mana pool. If your mana pool is full you get no benifit. So whereas if you were an ES sorc this would be a very useful mod vs archers or spike fiends, it would be useless vs gloams. As it is an attribute which helps any sorc however i consider it useful. I don't look for it but I don't discard items because it is there.

FHR has breakpoints?? Really?? This is news to me. Please post a link to either an accredited webpage or a thread with support evidence. If this is true I have stacks of fhr sc's scattered across 3 accts. This mod is very easy to get on sc's and it would not take many to hit 42% :)

Walking is mandatory with max block sorcs. U tele for speed and walk when dual button casting. What is the point of spending all those pts in dex just to throw away 2/3 of the benifit by running?

Res vs absorb is a tougher point. I don't like Tgods on my Sorcs. It is a Zon belt and the other mods just don't help me out. As my new girl is a Talssorc the belt spot is already taken anyway. The obvious answer here is Wisp Projector. Expensive? Yes. Useful ? No. Its just amazing! Every mod helps an mf sorc. So I will either find one or sell my immortal soul ........ As for cold and fire...Max your res and block. The only time these mods are serious problems is with ce or fe corpse explosion. If you are stupid enough to hit dolls then u deserve to die. ( Note to self, stop hitting dolls ) If you are stupid enough to take on ce/fe cursed ancients you deserve to die. ( Note to self, cast the tp you fool. It rerolls those ugly mods ) Seriously though, corpse explosion is 50% ele and 50% phys dmg. With max res and max block you have removed 75% of the problem and a little pdr will fix the rest.

SuperHal your opinions are highly regarded. Please explain about holding down the alt key whilst tele'ing? Do you hold down the mouse key and the alt key together? Why does this help?

[Yossarian]

Are we talking of teleporting at Meph or Baal with or without MH??

Without. Never liked them hacks. Even stopped trading Sojs way back in the duping stage.

[totoro]

Wow! Thanks for all your input. Didn't expect to get such detailed replies, but this is great. The only part I don't get is holding the ALT key. Doesn't that just show the items on the ground?

[Tanatus]

Wow! Thanks for all your input. Didn't expect to get such detailed replies, but this is great. The only part I don't get is holding the ALT key. Doesn't that just show the items on the ground?
I'll explain this...
Then you press "alt" you instantly losing target on monster! That is a key - you cannt teleport if you have monster on targeting cursor but! for hammerdins (probably for winders too) its essential to land on top of target to assure maximum efficiency of attack - this problem born a trick - target say Baal or Mephisto then press alt and then teleport and you be on top of monster. In case of sorc this garant that you will able teleport even surrounded by whole room of monsters

[Billweed]

[QUOTE=sexyfool]
FHR has breakpoints?? Really?? This is news to me. Please post a link to either an accredited webpage or a thread with support evidence. If this is true I have stacks of fhr sc's scattered across 3 accts. This mod is very easy to get on sc's and it would not take many to hit 42% :)
QUOTE]
YES FHR has Breakpoints! its late and I am to tired to point the tables out as they very by class type but see the guides at www.diableii.net as a start as I know the hammerdin and ES guides there cover those two classes at a minimum.

[Superhal]

SuperHal your opinions are highly regarded. Please explain about holding down the alt key whilst tele'ing? Do you hold down the mouse key and the alt key together? Why does this help?

yes somebody else explained it. basicially the only way your tele can get interrupted if you use alt is if the pointer is off the map. you can't highlight any chests or monsters when doing this. i haven't checked if you can still tp if you highlight an item, but i'm pretty sure you can.

[Krazy_Solo]

You can highlight an Item still cast...

[bronzdragon5545]

hmm... this alt thingy for pk... ive never tryed it and its always been just habit from my newb days to hit it when lookin for items. is this what people refer to as "scrool locking" or is that something else?

[Superhal]

hmm... this alt thingy for pk... ive never tryed it and its always been just habit from my newb days to hit it when lookin for items. is this what people refer to as "scrool locking" or is that something else?

scroll lock involves a hack. more common and legit is name locking, which should be self-explanatory.

[bronzdragon5545]

are we aloud to talk about this hack or ways to save are selfs from it?

[Superhal]

are we aloud to talk about this hack or ways to save are selfs from it?

better just not to talk about it. even mentioning it will make people curious to try it and/or want to have it just because it's "bad." like cigarettes or dirty magazines.

[bronzdragon5545]

sad but true...