View Full Version : Next Patch: How Would You Fix Weaken?
ArcticSpectre
09-05-2004, 11:07
I believe I'm not alone in thinking that weaken is about useless. Why make them deal less damage if you could instead Dim/Decrep them to achieve a better effect? The rest of the curses have a fairly unique niche...but weaken is just kinda there as a prereq.
Suping up the damage reduction doesnt seem like it would do much good...
It would be interesting if they added a 2nd effect to weaken...or(highly highly doubtful theyde do this) create a new curse in its place.
Here's 2 ideas.
Weaken Version 2.0: Normal Weaken + Lower Enemy Defense.
Stupify: Normal Weaken + Forget one random special attack/ability for curse duration(would be fun for bosses, especially on diablo if his lightening got forgotten :clap: )
Again...Blizzard won't do it, but if they were what would you want?
LordDrift
09-05-2004, 11:43
no more new patches, its done set in stone
Mad Mantis
09-05-2004, 15:40
Lowering enemy defense would be a good idea. Then I might even use it over Decrep. I would definitely be switching between the two if they made Weaken have a second effect.
But alas, I'm still waiting for Blizz to fix the Fe bug in SP...
The thing that convinced me that Blizzard really isn't going to do ANYTHING to change Diablo (other than maybe reducing the number of servers to save cost when the number of games dies down) is that they have done zilch about the in game spambots. Mostly they are just annoying, but I've had a couple of close calls when they blocked my view of what was going on with their spam. If they were spening a dime on this game, they'd CDkey ban those suckers as fast as they pop-up. Even at the $10.00 that D2 is going for in the bargain bins, the cost of getting new copies would drive them out of business.
Growlor
memememe173
09-05-2004, 17:28
the only think I want Blizz to do is...fix the inferno bug...and maybe enable Frostwind Champion Axe :teeth:
Necrochild313
09-05-2004, 18:09
Weaken fix: Replace with Bloodmana
Quickmind
10-05-2004, 15:34
I think lowering defense would be really cool. Also, if you have a screen full of messages, just hit the N key to clear them all. That's what I do, at least after squelching them.
Weaken fix: Replace with Bloodmana
Yeah! :yep:
Indemaijinj
10-05-2004, 15:47
Weaken fix: Replace with Bloodmana
Do monsters have a mana stat at all?
Necrochild313
10-05-2004, 15:56
no they don't, but they should add it just for this curse ;)
It'd be invaluable pvp though.
TypicalHammerdin:HAH HAH, nub nexro
TypicalHammerdin was slain by an evil force
TypicalHammerdin:OMFG! NOOB!
EuroJamie
10-05-2004, 15:59
What about just making it stackable with other curses, in the same way that Attract currently does. Weaken + AD could be rather tasty...
Necrochild313
10-05-2004, 16:21
hehehe, how about BM + IM against a WWing barb (hitting your summonings, of course ;) )? Wow, if curses were stakable even WEAKEN would have a use.
Weaken + Decrep = 17% damage. That'd be quite nice.
Id like weaken to be replaced by minion frenzy skill (u know the one that lashers use on their minions) :)
Necrochild313
10-05-2004, 17:10
Id like weaken to be replaced by minion frenzy skill (u know the one that lashers use on their minions) :)
that's a nice idea, sort of an "enchant" for necros.
I'd use it on an iron golem.
"FEAR TEH ZERKER GOL3M NUB!"
I would remove weaken all together, and instead i'd like to see a skill something along the lines of teleport, but not me teleporting, the skill could be called "return to me" where when cast, all your minions would teleport back to your location in the form of a human shield around you.
Good for unsticking the mercs that seem to get stuck all too often
I wish confuse and terror worked in pvp.
Barb cursed with terror: *trying to hit necro*
Barb cursed with terror: "I can't"
Barb cursed with terror: "Impossible"
Barb cursed with terror was slain by evil necro
EDIT: Sorry for going off topic.
Mostly they are just annoying, but I've had a couple of close calls when they blocked my view of what was going on with their spam.
Oops, that was to be a quote ^^
Just hit the "n" key to clear the screen of all messages
Blood mana would be awesome, but WHAT IF....
What if it weakened elemental damage as well? Or does it already do that?
Id say keep weaken, but make it be able to reduce damage by 60% at level 20 and apply to all forms of damage. That would make it a useful curse in pvm and pvp.
Or make it a synergy to decrep. Id like both amp damage and weaken to be synergies to decrep. Every point in amp gives 2% more enhanced damage tp decrep, and every point in weaken gives -2% more enemie damage. Thats just kindof a basic idea, but I think that (fine tuned) it could be a good idea.
Necrochild313
12-05-2004, 02:25
yes, it DOES suck that curses have no synergies :rant:
if your description of decrep with it's synergies was true I could make a hybrid mojo/venomancer. THAT'd be fun.
StormriderXIII
18-05-2004, 07:08
Select the block of code for weaken and press backspace.
Then save and compile.
Best idea ever. :king:
Teufelskreis
18-05-2004, 18:47
Weaken... hrm... maybe they should just replace it with a new curse. Like Asthma or Emphysema... where people lose health for running. :)
gvandale
18-05-2004, 18:59
Weaken... hrm... maybe they should just replace it with a new curse. Like Asthma or Emphysema... where people lose health for running. :)
oh my lord. that sentence added with your avatar is just absolutely f'ing hilarious.
g
Teufelskreis
18-05-2004, 19:08
Undead smokers reprazent. :cool:
jumbo_SHRIMP
18-05-2004, 21:37
Undead smokers reprazent. :cool:
i think they should nerf all the curses so weaken doesnt seem like it sucks so much. I would also do something so that the curses got more effective with more points, its insane that necros can have insanely powerful skills, for all 10 skills in a tree(except maybe weaken) without the need for any synergies or even more than 1 point...name anohter class with such an effective tree?
phelix
edit: CEG your idea is insane...and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too powerful...
JettJagwar
18-05-2004, 21:37
they could replace weaken with delerium, maybe a modified version where you morph into random enemies. or, your enemies turn into stygian dolls possibly. would be nice vs gloams. call it transmute or metemorphasis or something.
Necrochild313
18-05-2004, 21:39
How about the "Defense Curse"?
It's the only other non-necro curse in the game, and I think that it'd be a meleemancer favorite, as the -defence scales with lvl.
memememe173
18-05-2004, 21:41
how bout Polymorpsh from Warcraft
Necrochild313
18-05-2004, 21:48
On that note, Stone Curse from diablo 1. :D
Mad Mantis
18-05-2004, 22:00
how bout Polymorpsh from Warcraft
Too bad we can't have Bloodlust. :(
Teufelskreis
19-05-2004, 00:13
The new "Curse" should be something terribly offensive about the monster's mother and her sexual habits.
Mad Mantis
19-05-2004, 22:23
:lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbsup:
I'd like to see it reduce the monsters Defense as well as their attack damage, much like a weaker version of Amp.
Or something a bit more intresting, along the lines of a curse you cast on your minions which increases their attack speeds and r/w speed at the cost of 5-10 life drain on the minion for the time of the curse.
It would be rather fun to see.
--Project
BlackDethLegion
19-05-2004, 23:49
Na i got an idea... replace WEAKEN with 'Life Drain' curse above thier heads LOOKs like Life Tap but a diff Color. Heh and it Drains the life of the target, while healing you. Kinda like a poison skill, it would have %X of life drained over Xsecs, increasing as higher lvls... and futher more Blood Golem would be the syenergy! Maybe Blood golem adds the Same affect BUT works ONLY on your MANA! (hince a Dual Leech kinda Redemption skill) :flip:
Teufelskreis
20-05-2004, 02:45
Na i got an idea... replace WEAKEN with 'Life Drain' curse above thier heads LOOKs like Life Tap but a diff Color. Heh and it Drains the life of the target, while healing you. Kinda like a poison skill, it would have %X of life drained over Xsecs, increasing as higher lvls... and futher more Blood Golem would be the syenergy! Maybe Blood golem adds the Same affect BUT works ONLY on your MANA! (hince a Dual Leech kinda Redemption skill) :flip:
While we're hanging out in the realm of "lol yeah rite", I'd like to get paid $128k a year to come up with creative ways of insulting people.
suppasonic
21-05-2004, 03:42
[QUOTE=jumbo_SHRIMP]i name anohter class with such an effective tree?
phelix
QUOTE]
Barbarian Warcries can do most of what necro curses can do, and their passives can be one point wonders as well.
tinncann25
21-05-2004, 04:18
how bout u can curse urself with it, would get rid of iron madien
Vakarrona
21-05-2004, 04:27
Weaken is just fine. Otherwise you wouldn't have a topic to complain about.
StormriderXIII
21-05-2004, 08:22
how bout u can curse urself with it, would get rid of iron madien
And decrep, baal's curse when you fight his minions
Necrochild313
28-05-2004, 23:16
The new curse
Lag Spike
Only effects non-necromancer players in the game
Mana cost goes down and duration goes up with further levels invested
Mad Mantis
28-05-2004, 23:23
Can it add some desync with higher skill levels?
Necrochild313
28-05-2004, 23:28
No, that would be too godly. BUT it would be balanced if it had a synergies.
Lag Spike gains bonuses from:
Raise Skeleton Warrior .25 seconds desynch per level
Raise Skeleton Mage .25 seconds desynch per level
Revive .5 seconds desynch per level
Mad Mantis
28-05-2004, 23:43
[Cartman Impersonation] Sweeeeeeeeet. [/Cartman Impersonation]
D Eediot
29-05-2004, 05:47
Weaken should cause the affected to target to deal 67% of their listed damage (including magic damage).
So multiply by 0.67 (like a mana shield kinda effect) instead of taking their enhanced damage attribute and 'adding' -33% to it.
That'd mean decrep is better for general pvm, but weaken is teh uber for pvp and/or extra strong/might'ed/magic using monsters.
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