ribcracker > eth BOTD?

[ecko2k4]

I been reading around and it sounds like upgraded ribcracker is better to use as fury ww druid 2handed then a eth botd? what how can this be?

[Omikron8]

Depends on the weapon speed on the BoTD but i am not certain about druid speed breakpoints. In the end a ribcracker (socketed with shael) will have 70% IAS on a base 10 weapon (stalagmite) which should be nicely up there with weapons like great pole axe or giant thresher (not as much i know GT is base -10). Now the issue is damage. Ribcracker gives 50% crushing blow! and this is truly amazing with the rapid attacks of fury. This massive crushing blow probably beats out the high ~1000 damage of 2 handed eth BoTD weapons against non physical immune enemies. That and the ribcracker gives the sweet defensive mods of +100% defense and +50% hit recovery as well as WAY lower str/dex requirements (laughably small reqs). That and who doesn't like the style of beating monsters to death with a stick :)

[Tor]

botd has power

ribcracker cant match it

botd is also 1 handed if you choose giving you a shield

crushing blow is not very good IMO

it is a % of the monsters hit points which makes it fairly unreliable, but still useful

[mepersoner]

Ribcracker is king. Don't listen to tor.

[electricblue]

ribcracker has the nice hitting sound.

[ƒenris]

Crushing blow = static field for melee. It'll speed up your kills insanely.
Zod bug eth ribcracker = O_O
I had to go make it in sp-
Jebus (http://server6.uploadit.org/files/doobie-amagawdrib.jpg)
For comparison, a perf botd GPA is 355-978

[Strid]

Crushing blow = static field for melee. It'll speed up your kills insanely.
Zod bug eth ribcracker = O_O
I had to go make it in sp-
Jebus (http://server6.uploadit.org/files/doobie-amagawdrib.jpg)
For comparison, a perf botd GPA is 355-978Uhm, Zod-bug Elite upgraded items are not possible and have never been possible. You need to have Zod'ed you item in 1.09 for the Zod-bug to work, right? And you can only upgrade in the Ladder mode, where 1.10 items are the only items available.

But it sure is insane! :)

EDIT: I would use a Etheral BotD Glorious Axe or Ogre Maul for my Fury WW. They give the most damage/sec for a BotD weapon. Ogre Maul has 1.1 Str Bonus and Glorious Axe has range 4. Thats about the only diffrence.
I haven't done any calculations, comparing the two, but I'm fairly sure, that the eth. BotD will do the killing faster than the upgraded non-eth. Ribcracker.

[Black_Dog]

Check this baby out for a botd... it works well for me
:drool: (http://server6.uploadit.org/files/blackdog93x-My_Baby.JPG) <----- click me

[electricblue]

I shall engineer the godliest possible weapon and make a benchmark , I think.
ethereal rare feral axe Shael/Lo

but first, I shall publish the summoner guide before I get killed.

[ecko2k4]

so the best eth botd > ribcracker? or is it both equal and you use whatever you can afford or like? Theres alot of mixed anwers here so im guessing there both equal and is juts about preference?

[Crimh]

I think you have to consider the 'cost' of BOTD and a ribcracker. Ribcracker is way cheaper and if you consider the amazing stats of it (upgraded or not) it wins easily. In the end, BOTD is most likely better, yes..

But then again, I'd rather use upgraded ribcracker because it's just way cooler..that whacking sound just sends chills down my back.

[xpumafangx]

You could just botd a staff like that achcon staff we all saw.

[Kefir-Tribe]

If no one ever duped a Zod, how many players would then have access to botd?

[mepersoner]

Uhm, Zod-bug Elite upgraded items are not possible and have never been possible. You need to have Zod'ed you item in 1.09 for the Zod-bug to work, right? And you can only upgrade in the Ladder mode, where 1.10 items are the only items available.

Actually, if you socketed the weapon with zod the first week of 1.10 it worked as well. :)

[Voice]

I find eth Botd better for monsters but ribcracker better for boss's b/c of the cb mod.

[YomoKimyata]

You could just botd a staff like that achcon staff we all saw.

well, not all of us want to invest so highly in strength :lol:

[TomGreen321]

BOTD is over duped garbage now. 99% are duped and should be erased weekly.

[TheKbob]

BOTD is over duped garbage now. 99% are duped and should be erased weekly.

Few things to this:

TomGreen, hopefully this isn't the old MTV Non-Comic..

No hate and I don't mean to sound shallow, but most people who post "garbage" such as this usually do not have a BotD nor can get one. And if the duped are erased, then you DEFINATLY will never get one.

~Kbob

[MrPipes]

I've got a perfect upped shael Ribcracker on my Fury druid. Keep in mind, all...Druid Fury cannot surpass 5 FPS with *ANY* two handed weapon. Two handers are capped at 5 FPS for Fury. So with a Shael up'd 'Cracker, you easily hit 5 with a Highlord's. (at least, mine does)

Never had a BoTD, most likely never will. Too poor and I'd rather be original. The defense bonuses are HUGE. I compared it with my IK Maul on switch; with Ribcracker, my defense is 4800-something. IK Maul: 2300. It's huge. Massive damage, massive crushing blow. Nothing stands in my way when my druid is there to save the day. Gooooooooooooooooo RIBCRACKER!

[Strid]

I've got a perfect upped shael Ribcracker on my Fury druid. Keep in mind, all...Druid Fury cannot surpass 5 FPS with *ANY* two handed weapon. Two handers are capped at 5 FPS for Fury. So with a Shael up'd 'Cracker, you easily hit 5 with a Highlord's. (at least, mine does)
That is just plain wrong. Fury druids can easily get 4FPA, and the breakpoint is WSM - WIAS = -75

Lots of people use 4 FPA two handed weapons. Among the most popular are:

Cruel Great Poleaxe of Quickness, Shael + ED/IAS (7/4 FPA)
Custom Etheral Great Poleaxe (Zod + 5x ED/IAS) (7/4 FPA)
Cruel Giant Thresher of Quickness, (2x ED/IAS) (7/4)
Cruel Giant Thresher of Quickness, (2x Shael) (6/4)
Tomb Reaver, (2x ED/IAS + something) (7/4)

If you don't believe me, try one of these out (Or make your custom -75 weapon with some Shael runes or whatever), and compare it to your Ribcracker. 20% effective increase in speed on your last 4 fury attacks is VERY easy to notice.

Furthermore, with a fast weapon, the IAS from Highlord's or other sources extenal to the weapon will NOT help you get your speed up. In fact many people don't even put more than one point in Werewolf, because the don't need the IAS to get the fastest attack of their weapon.

[electricblue]

I've got a perfect upped shael Ribcracker on my Fury druid. Keep in mind, all...Druid Fury cannot surpass 5 FPS with *ANY* two handed weapon. Two handers are capped at 5 FPS for Fury. So with a Shael up'd 'Cracker, you easily hit 5 with a Highlord's. (at least, mine does)

Never had a BoTD, most likely never will. Too poor and I'd rather be original. The defense bonuses are HUGE. I compared it with my IK Maul on switch; with Ribcracker, my defense is 4800-something. IK Maul: 2300. It's huge. Massive damage, massive crushing blow. Nothing stands in my way when my druid is there to save the day. Gooooooooooooooooo RIBCRACKER!

welcome to the druid forum :)

[simmk81]

I shall engineer the godliest possible weapon and make a benchmark , I think.
ethereal rare feral axe Shael/Lo

but first, I shall publish the summoner guide before I get killed.
i'm glad you still remembered... i'm surprised you've not got pitted yet for the nice delay... lol

[xpumafangx]

well, not all of us want to invest so highly in strength

You must be jokeing. If you are not then you would feel really dumb to know that a achcon staff only needs 34 str to be used, with 0 dex. Then take the -30% from a botd. Sould I realy go over what that is? Because elited ribcracker needs 63 str and 35 dex. SEE IT HERE---><--> (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/staves.shtml) I expect a simple I am sorry for that out burst.

[the_sultan]

You must be jokeing. If you are not then you would feel really dumb to know that a achcon staff only needs 34 str to be used, with 0 dex. Then take the -30% from a botd. Sould I realy go over what that is? Because elited ribcracker needs 63 str and 35 dex. SEE IT HERE---><--> (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/staves.shtml) I expect a simple I am sorry for that out burst.
I think the smillie implies that he's joking yes :)

[xpumafangx]

I thought he was laughing.

[MrPipes]

Hrm. Albeit that I really do not know or bother to know about IAS, OIAS, WIAS, and fps calculations, I could have sworn I read a guide in the Druid forum that said two hander's can't get below 5 FPS Fury...

Regardless of my n00Bz0r|\|355,

Shael Upp'd Perfect Ribcracker r0x0rz ur b0x0rz n00bz0r!! :yep:

[xpumafangx]

Mrpipes I remaber that as well. Wasint that with a 240/90 giant threasher?

[thaMcJin]

since ladder started, i haven't one ribcracker, none, heh. but i did make my first botd orge maul. maybe it is just me, i found botd faster than ribcracker.
btw, how do find a ribcracker? if u tell me how i will show u how to get the rune 4 my botd. i did read somewhere saying 80 ias with max fury hit 4 frame per second. is this rite? if so, i think i will just get a highlord and 1 20 ias glove, and some 2 handed 40ias wep, then i will hit 4 fps?

[mepersoner]

4 Frames is the fastest legitely..

Neither Ribcracker or ANY botd weapon can go that fast.

[Project]

Check this baby out for a botd... it works well for me
:drool: (http://server6.uploadit.org/files/blackdog93x-My_Baby.JPG) <----- click me

That +1 Blizzard (Sorc Only) must help out alot. :thumbsup:

That makes it super pimp. :drool:

--Project

[thaMcJin]

then is there a wep that make max fury ww druid hit 4 frame per second?

[YomoKimyata]

You must be jokeing. If you are not then you would feel really dumb to know that a achcon staff only needs 34 str to be used, with 0 dex. Then take the -30% from a botd. Sould I realy go over what that is? Because elited ribcracker needs 63 str and 35 dex. SEE IT HERE---><--> (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/staves.shtml) I expect a simple I am sorry for that out burst.

I was laughing, literally on the floor, when I read your comment. I will give you a simple "I am sorry" -- I am sorry that you are so oblivious. If you are going to make comments on the forums, you really really really should think about them before you post them.

Um, just to be clear, yes I was "jokeing". I think any druid can invest the 3 extra strength points to use an "achcon" staff.