exile and eths

[Sir SDG]

just a question..

Ive been noticing a whole lot of eth only requests for exile and having used both eth and no eth vortexs I cant see any deference apart from about 100 def on the shield itself... am I missing something?

smite is the same
defiance lvl increases overall def the same....

so honestly why the hoopla about eth? its harder to find harder to buy and generally dont do much more than 100 base def on your shield which , to me seems redundant with defiance aura on the same item...

[memememe173]

the eth defense boost is applied befor other defense boosts, so instead of it being only 100 more defense, it's 100 x +%defense mods you might have (defiance, Holy Shield)

also, Exile has an auto-repair mod

[Sir SDG]

the eth defense boost is applied befor other defense boosts, so instead of it being only 100 more defense, it's 100 x +%defense mods you might have (defiance, Holy Shield)

also, Exile has an auto-repair mod
I understand. yet when your talking 20 HS and lvl 14 defiance and 29 k defense overall another 100 time +%def seems a bit overkill........

I cant tell you how many times Ive seen zealots swinging at eachother forever w reg exiles and 10k att

[Guy_LeDouche]

One word..... Style

[Any1]

I understand. yet when your talking 20 HS and lvl 14 defiance and 29 k defense overall another 100 time +%def seems a bit overkill........

I cant tell you how many times Ive seen zealots swinging at eachother forever w reg exiles and 10k att


10K AR in PvP is considered on the low side these days.

[Antiochous_3]

Ok here is an example. Say we have a very respectable 220 def Vortex Shield that we were going to make exile in and a eth base def 220 def vortex shield with which we also make exile in. We end up being lucky and get 260 ed on both shields. :) This is how the def is gonna look.

Norm Vortex Shield:

220*2.60+ Base def (220) = 792 def

Eth Vortex Shield:

(220*1.5 [eth mod]) * 2.60 + base def (330) = 1180

(Eth Exile)1180 - (Norm Exile)792 = 388 dif in def.

I don't know about you guys but I think 388 def on a shield is worth waiting for a eth shield. Especially since that extra 388 gets factored in defiance and HS. I know that when i made exile I didn't want to waist a Ohm, Ist and Vex on ladder in anything but the best shield. Frankly, I'm not rich enough to put it into anything less than a eth shield. (If that makes sence.)

Anti

[memememe173]

exactlly...if you have enough runes for only one BOTD, ever, you're not going to put them in the first eth elite you find

[Ragnarok-]

nicely said :)

969 eth royal here BABY!~~
307 ETH CLEAN vortex too!!!! ~~ (983-1105 defense exiled!!)

i wouldn't put exile in ANY shield that would hit less than 900 defense...

IMO though ~~

:evil: Raggy :evil:

[Ragnarod]

As you've been told already, it's about maximizing the Exile. Since it has the self repair mod, making it in an ethereal shield has no drawbacks, and you get a shield with higher defense and lower strength requisites. The same thing is appliable to a BotD weapon, just that since it affects the damage, it's more noticeable

And I'm happily sitting on a 984 def Exile Zakarum Shield, +43 all res, that Mack gave me in .09 :D

[Schnorres]

so ...
you would not make exile in 225 Def eth sacred rondache 42 res all?
(on Ladder, or is it only a waste on non-Ladder?)
This is the best I have got.

[Piranno]

Hi, all ... can anyone tell me, what kind of shield (Vortex or Zakarum) be better for Exile ? or maybe some else ?

[Schnorres]

1. any elite shield is good for smiters (same smite damage)

2. vortex has lowest block (done care about this with holy shield), but highest Def (182-225 *1.5 for eth one)and highest requirements (138Str = 148Str-10)
compared to 169-193 * 1.5 and 132 Str

so it is the best if you manage the str req. and find one!

[Black-Water]

Ok here is an example. Say we have a very respectable 220 def Vortex Shield that we were going to make exile in and a eth base def 220 def vortex shield with which we also make exile in. We end up being lucky and get 260 ed on both shields. :) This is how the def is gonna look.

Norm Vortex Shield:

220*2.60+ Base def (220) = 792 def

Eth Vortex Shield:

(220*1.5 [eth mod]) * 2.60 + base def (330) = 1180

(Eth Exile)1180 - (Norm Exile)792 = 388 dif in def.

I don't know about you guys but I think 388 def on a shield is worth waiting for a eth shield. Especially since that extra 388 gets factored in defiance and HS. I know that when i made exile I didn't want to waist a Ohm, Ist and Vex on ladder in anything but the best shield. Frankly, I'm not rich enough to put it into anything less than a eth shield. (If that makes sence.)

Anti

the defence difference on in that example is NOT where it stops.

that 388 defence is the defence difference for your shield ONLY.

for a pala with maxxed holy shield and defiance (passive synergy to holy shield), and a lvl 16 defiance of exile that would be

lvl 20 holy shield = 610 % ed
lvl 16 defiance = 220 % ed
total = 830 % ed.

so in the end that is a difference of 388 * 9.3 = 3608 defence

that is WITHOUT any + skills, as the +%ed of holy shield would rise even more.

i think 3.6K+ defence is well worth the efford.

[Ragnarod]

As long as it's an elite shield, for the smite damage, I think that having a good secondary mod (such as 4x res all) is better than having a bit more defense in the end, I'd exile that shield of yours Schnorres :)

[Antiochous_3]

the defence difference on in that example is NOT where it stops.

that 388 defence is the defence difference for your shield ONLY.

for a pala with maxxed holy shield and defiance (passive synergy to holy shield), and a lvl 16 defiance of exile that would be

lvl 20 holy shield = 610 % ed
lvl 16 defiance = 220 % ed
total = 830 % ed.

so in the end that is a difference of 388 * 9.3 = 3608 defence

that is WITHOUT any + skills, as the +%ed of holy shield would rise even more.

i think 3.6K+ defence is well worth the efford.

You will notice that below my calcs I mention that 388 def is only on the shield and has yet to be factored into Defiance and HS.
Glad you did all those calcs, I wasn't in the mood to figure out anymore defence modifiers.

Anti

[Halbreed7250]

I understand. yet when your talking 20 HS and lvl 14 defiance and 29 k defense overall another 100 time +%def seems a bit overkill........

I cant tell you how many times Ive seen zealots swinging at eachother forever w reg exiles and 10k att


I liked having 66,000 defense . . .

I search for ethreals because I would like even more . . .

Call me a defense addict . . .

-Crayon