WW sin do they stand a change vs baba ?

[Sephiroth[TR]]

does a WW sin stands a change ? without going for OW laming Cos all the assa i saw all lost from a good WW baba.

And i dont see how a WWsin does stand a change
baba wil have more def and life and. Perhaps venom can change things ?

just wondering incase i might gone make a WWsin...

[Neuroff]

Even with open wounds, cos, and venom, you'll still lose if they're good.

[C-Beat]

barb got more dmg, life and ar...go figure

[Eisirt]

This question has been posted many times already...


Barbs invented WW... of course they are better with it.

[[cK]Extreme]

This question has been posted many times already...


Barbs invented WW... of course they are better with it.

I can beat all barbs excluding strictly Iron Barbs using BoTD. Builds like IK barbs or such I tear apart.. its just a matter of knowing what to do ;)

[Sephiroth[TR]]

Extreme']I can beat all barbs excluding strictly Iron Barbs using BoTD. Builds like IK barbs or such I tear apart.. its just a matter of knowing what to do ;)

eh all ik barbs are being wacked badly in duels. But hmm wel guess my next sin wont be a WW sin. Hmm also wondering why a WWsin keeps hostiling me than :scratch:

[C-Beat]

no wonder you can kill ik barbs, they got no shield....

ww sins are great all around duelers if build correctly, but of course they can not kill a good ww barb.

C-Beat

[Sephiroth[TR]]

hmm so what are the changes for a WW sin vs sorc ? bliz orb fb sorc ?

Hmmm shield arent the only thing they lack( cant beat a BOTD with the wicked maul). i still beat WW sin without my shield :/ well most of them than. Altough i havent come across the really good WWsin

[[cK]Extreme]

']Altough i havent come across the really good WWsin

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Im on everyday :howdy:

[lix]

I can beat all barbs excluding strictly Iron Barbs using BoTD. Builds like IK barbs or such I tear apart.. its just a matter of knowing what to do ;) *Neilix I play a conc/ww pvp barb w/ only 15k defense. I wouldn't mind dueling you. I've never dueled even a decent ww asn.

[mooseontheloose]

Naw it's tough. My buddy has a WW Zin and when I watch him duel Barbs he's almost always shredded if the Barb's Def/Dmg is moderate. The Barb will almost always do more damage if he has a decent weap, and will Always have much higher def. He also has a better chance to block and the AR difference is probably quite big, and even if it isn't the above mentioned still put you at a big disadvantage =\

[Sephiroth[TR]]

Extreme']*Celeras, UsEast

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hmm btw 1 advantage of WW sin they block during there WW with clawblock !! damm anoying sometime... And baba cant block during WW. or atleast i havent notice they did.

[Tanatus]

Few things
Pole/Spear WW barbs have range 5 with weapon mastery maxed, WW maxed and Serk maxed assuming that using eth botd cryptic axe or similar type spear any assasin even with maxed fade will shreded into small pieces from single attack. If you use C/S for WW have maxed block and maxed PDR (via SS) as well as have on switch CoA THEN you could have a chance surive 1 round of attack of barb
Sword/Sheild WW barbs - even more durable but do a lot less damage
Your only hope vs. WW barb - stun lock him with MB, use Venom/OW and CoS to cover retreat ..

[Zero-unit]

I'll say this a C/S WW Assassin does fare a much better chance than C/C WW Assassins. Although the block is not shown during the WW animation its there and makes a big difference, and i'm pretty confident that WW Assassins can defeat a WW Barbarian if done right. The majority of WW Assassins at least all of the ones i've seen are all C/C! We actually have about equal damage as they do by our Venom skill. Sure we don't major defense but we have our advantages.

Dr@kE~

[C-Beat]

My ww sin was c/s and my venom dmg was very high, around 1.6k if i remember correctly. My ar was also above 8k which is farly good for a ww sin. I think my total dmg with venom was somewhere between 3.3k and 3.8k....cant remember exactly.

Even still, i had a hard time versus decent-good barbs as they had more dmg, more life and more defence than i had.

Also dont forget that venom is easier to resist that physical dmg (75%-90%pr versus 50%pdr).

The only thing that speaks for the ww sin is the magic dmg on chaos, though because of lower ar and alot lower life it didnt make a big enough difference versus good barbs.

oh, i only had the ow from chaos as i consider it lame to stack up on it to kill the opponent.

regards
C-Beat

[Zero-unit]

Only 8k ar? On mine i have 15k which gives me a very decent advantage. Plus higher levels making easier to hit, and not every one has decent poison resist i mostly fight melee (Palas, Barbs, Druids.) and they never really cared for resist. Majority of Barbs i face are taken down. However the kings of WW (Barbs) will take down most WW Assassins.

Dr@kE~

[C-Beat]

that is 8k without angelics....

Also, i duelled in a private community which are held in normal so basicly everyone had maxed resists.

regards
C-Beat

[ƒenris]

WWsins have lower life, ar, dmg, and ww skill lvl.
Barbs can get as much poison in charms, if we use venom charms are useless.
A 200-ish claw vs. a 500 botd. And with dual claw we can never have as much block.
CB owns normal block though. No dex, blocks spells, and you can run.

[Mr.E]

And there's always good ol' Mind Blast.

[C-Beat]

barbs cannot pack the same kind of poison damage by charms, but they're physical damage is so much greater it doesnt matter.

An ww sin is superior if she's using a shield. She will in most cases walk faster than the barb but the huge difference in life and damage is what it all comes down to in the end.

Mind blast dont do any real difference versus ww barbs.

C-Beat

[Sephiroth[TR]]

i always duel melee with angelic 1/2 ring depending on enemy and my bars still has almost max res without amu/ring still 60fr/max lighting/max cold/60poison

my baba got 10k AR without angelic...

and i havent lost from a WW sin yet... no mather what she does MB or wake of inferno... Somehow the wake of inferno doesnt do anything to my baba altough it did effect my smiter much..

[ReallFugitive]

']i always duel melee with angelic 1/2 ring depending on enemy and my bars still has almost max res without amu/ring still 60fr/max lighting/max cold/60poison

my baba got 10k AR without angelic...

and i havent lost from a WW sin yet... no mather what she does MB or wake of inferno... Somehow the wake of inferno doesnt do anything to my baba altough it did effect my smiter much..

10k Zerk if you are on ladder. I highly doubt 10,000 without angelic pieces for whirlwind. I hardly ever lose to WW Barbs. BOTD or not, Angelic or not. Not to brag but there has only been one or two people to ever beat me on a regular basis, and even then their guys are highly specialised for only melee whirlwind agianst whirlwind meaning all max dmg life charms. I'd say get better equipment or get a better strategy.

[Kaffe]

Barbs have Shield and Weapon (usually). No Shield vs. WW is dead baba.

Assassin gets:
- Chaos (either 1 x or 2 x a lots of magic damage, +possible skills).
- Dual Claws
- Possibility of picking Fade over anything else. This means more equipment slots left over for other stuff. Deadly Strike, +skills, what-ever.

Being able to whirlwind with two weapons, and still have fair block is a luxuary.

Not to mention the added damage of Venom, Blade Shield, a minion, Mind Blast. And traps perhaps.

Not to mention that WW sin quite easily gets good FHR. Shadow Dancers, CoA, Tuc's. 90% Right there. Now, FHR might seem pointless as one WW will probably knock you out cold anyway. But why walk around with Base FHR when you can have it like that :)

With some practice you should hold a few advantages over barb. I'm mostly speculating though. I don't have the funds to make a WW sin, or at least not the one that I would like to make :). If I were to make one I might be able to post more specificly on how to kill barbs :)

[Lunatic]

Melee = ar / defense duel nowadays. And barbs can have the same or more AR then you , yet barbs can get alot (and I do mean alot) more defense then you.