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Shanksie1337
13-04-2004, 18:17
Shanksies 1.10 Pit Strafer guide

Hi there folks
This is long post (get a cup of Tea ready), this is the final version, with some changes made due to the feedback (ty all). The versatility section didn’t turn out as planned, and there are still some grammatical errors that Word has missed and I am too blind to see after 27 read thrus. Still I hope to have produced a useful document that can answer some of the questions that people have regarding this build.

*Aim:
After reading these forums for some time you see the same old questions asked over and over again, so I am writing this guide with the aim of having all (well most) of the answers in one place.
This guide is based on a pit running pure strafer on Ladder – some of my choices are ladder only but where possible I will list alternative methods for NL / poorer / richer players. I only play ladder so that’s why I am limiting it this way. Plus if I have these items on ladder I can assume most others do as well as I am relatively new to D2.
Once complete and at a decent level (~78-80) she will be able to solo Hell Pits in an 8 man game.
This guide is mainly geared to a strafer using a Windforce as it seems that everyone finds a WF then thinks “I’ll make a strafer to run the pits”, other bows are of course mentioned, but the bulk of this guide is WF based. The build is Hell viable with many of the main bows/xbows, but imho it only excels with a high damage bow.

*Stat points:
Str – enough for gear – extra str doesn’t give extra damage.
Dex – as much as you can spare – more dex = more damage.
Vita – personal preference and gear/charm dependant. I recommend 50 min and ~800 life as an aim.
Mana – BASE.

Those who have already have the items before building the char are at an advantage as you can easily work out where to stop investing in strength, but as I guide I’d say you can go up to 95 easily (for WT’s / 97 for Eagle)), any more than that will be bow dependent – Windforce mainly – 134 str rqd.

*Skill points:
Strafe – 20
Penetrate – 20
Valk – 20*
Pierce – 70% min – more as desired
Critical Strike – 50% min – more as desired
D/A/E – 1 min – more as required (depending on +skills I aim for the 40-50% region).
Plus prerequisites skills for Strafe

*Valkyrie is always a point of debate for any zon build, my reasoning for maxing the valk is twofold:
1. As a meat shield more life = better shield for you
2. As a meat shield to help keep our merc alive and take her share of the hits.
At a minimum I suggest slvl 17 including +skills.

As you can work out this leaves many spare skill points unspent, and spending them is entirely up to you. I tend towards extra points into:
Pierce – more pierce improves your arrow chance to pierce the 1st / 2nd /3rd etc etc target.
Critical Strike – better chance to do double damage.
D/A/E – if you feel you are getting hit too much...
Decoy – both to use in its own right and as a synergy for your valk (more life for valk)

All points spent in the passive tree also benefit your merc/valk so I always prefer to spend them there as opposed to trying to hybrid my zon with either J&S skills or the Cold / Fire arrow branches.

*Equipment:
This main area for debate over equipment is the balance between IAS (increased attack speed) and mf (magic find). Personally I have played with both full mf (30IAS) and full IAS (120IAS) and have to mention that the killing speeds are not that different. I will try and list both mf and IAS options so you can try both sides for yourself. I also realise that IAS can be added to helm, armour and bow via socketing but I will leave those permutations up to you as there are far too many to list here.

Also unlike some chars – mf sorcs for example – a strafer is very dependant on good gear, mainly because her damage is based on equipment as opposed to +skills. This is one of the reasons I stress this guide is referring to a WF based zon, simply because other bows lack the damage.

Key
PT = socketed with perfect topaz
LL = life leech
ML = mana leech
Res = resistances
ED = enhanced damage
IAS = Increased Attack Speed
CBF = cannot be frozen
DR = damage reduction to physical
N/A = Not available
ITD = Ignore target defence

Bow
The main item for any bowazon and a pit strafer is no exception, I am sure we are all familiar with the main bows, (and the not so mainstream ones too), but for the purpose of this guide I will list the main 5 or so.

Windforce – the daddy of bows and the best attainable for most ladder players – huge damage, knock back and ML make this bow hard to beat.
BoTD runeword – too expensive for the majority of legit ladder players – but an excellent choice if available (I have never owned one, and I am not likely to in the near future so I’ll leave it to others to extol it’s virtues). Also as you don’t get ETH bows it does seem a waste of a Zod to make a BoTD bow/xbow.

Those are the 2 end game bows for most players, however some players prefer using bows from this list:
Lycanders Aim – upgraded or not – none upgraded it makes an excellent levelling bow, and upgraded it can be used by those without a WF.
WWS – upgraded or not (or both) - %amp + 2 sockets + Deadly Strike
Eaglehorn – less damage but ITD means hitting is easier – some prefer this to a WF.
Buriza / Langer Briser / Goldstrike Arch, plus many others that I have not listed.

The reason I list so few is that for a strafer speed and damage are the main aims for a bow and whilst many bows offer a myriad of mods, the above bows are available to all purses and can provide the killing power/speed we need.
Bows (like everything else in D2) are a matter of preference and affordability, those I have mentioned are the bows I guess the vast majority of the realms are using.

Just a note on socketing the bow
MF can of course be added to a bow via a jewel or an IST rune but I STRONGLY recommend against it as there are far better options for socketing in bows. For example – Amn / ED / IAS / mana per kill / Shael / Nef etc etc.

Helms
MF = Shako “pt” / ptopaz helm / SteelSkull
IAS = SteelSkull / Mavinas Diadem
Other = Tal’s mask (dual leech + res + life) / Peasant crown (poor mans shako) / Vampire Gaze (DR + Dual leech) / Crown of Thieves (LL + dex).

Armour
MF = Skullders Ire “pt” / Enigma runeword / ptopaz armour / Chains Of Honor runeword
IAS = Anything socketed with IAS jewels – some ppl like Jewellers xxx of the xxx – where this is a socketed magical armour with a natural + to life socketed with ED/IAS jewels. / Twitchthroe (usually upgraded if possible). Good/legit ED/IAS jewels on ladder cost a fortune, off ladder 40/15’s are widely duped and readily available.
Other = Lionheart runeword (quite simply an excellent armour) / Duriels / Spirit Forge / Shaftstop.

Belt
MF = Goldwrap (30mf + 10 IAS) – upgraded if possible
IAS = Goldwrap / Nosferatu’s Coil (IAS + LL)
Other = Razortail (a pure strafer should have plenty of skill points available to get high pierce) / Verdungos (DR + life) / Thundergods (str + life + L absorb) / String of Ears (LL + DR)

Gloves
MF = Chanceguards – upgraded if possible
IAS = Laying of Hands (20 IAS + excellent bonus to damage vs demons) / Rare/Crafted Gloves with 20IAS and nice mods.
Other = Set (see below)

Boots
MF = War Travellers (WT’s)
IAS = N/A
Other = Cow Kings boots (mf + dex) / Set (see below) / Waterwalks (life) / Silkweaves (mana per kill) / Goreriders (damage mods)

Amulet
MF = magic or rare with mf
IAS = Cat’s Eye (20IAS + dex) / Highlords (+skill + deadly strike + IAS)
Other = Mara’s (attributes + resistances) / Eye of Etlich (Cold damage + freeze time + LL) / Crescent Moon (dual leech) / Atmas Scarab (% to cast Amp damage – see notes on mercenary).

Rings
MF = magic or rare with mf / Nagel ring
IAS = N/A
Other = Ravenfrost (a must have ring for any zon) / rare or magic with useful mods (see below).

Charms
Annihilus is a must if u can – and with everyone DC hunting they can usually be traded for a decent Hell forge drop.
Gheeds
Skillers – Bow and Crossbow are NOT needed – a strafer kills with damage not skills. Passive and magic are useful as they boost the passives for you, your merc and your valk.
Life sc’s – aim for 800 life (or a level you are happy with) and then fill with either:
Mf charms
Poison damage charms

Again there are too many possible combinations to list.

Set combinations that give useful partial bonus’s and/or have useful individual items
IK = Gloves / Belt /Boots
Mavina’s = Gloves / Belt / Helm
Sigons = Full for levelling as a javazon / Gloves / Belt / Boots
Vidala’s / Artic = for levelling as a bowazon
Angelic = Rings*2 / Amulet

A note on Mavina’s set
The bow on mav’s set has quite low damage and this means that the full set is of little use to a pure strafer. The full Mav’s set is quite useful for a FA based zon and there is already a guide by Freyas sticked on these forums.

Mod’s to aim for in your equipment
+attributes – in this order dex = vita > str > energy. If you can get any of the 3 main attributes from your gear this means you have more stat points left to use in the dex/life trade-off.
+cannot be frozen – usually from a ravenfrost – stops us getting slowed down by cold.
+damage - for example on the WT’s – as this get’s multiplied up by bonus’s.
+faster run/walk – FRW – helps us get into good safe positions quickly.
+IAS – personal preference and there is a direct trade-off with IAS and mf, more mf = less IAS so experiment about and find a balance you are happy with.
+knock back – crowd control and keeps us from taking hits.
+life – keeps us alive and helps us get near our ~800 life target.
+life leech – helps keep us alive, ~7LL is enough depending on your damage.
+mana – enables us to keep strafing those non leechable monsters.
+mana leech – strafe costs 11 mana and so you need some method to refill the mana pool, ~7ML is enough depending on damage (more damage = more leech as leech is a % of damage).
+mf – the main purpose of this zon.
+passive & magic – good boosts to valk etc if u can get them from rare/crafted gloves.

Mods I feel are not/less important
+crushing blow / open wounds / deadly strike etc – as we need to get IAS and mf into our gear we really have no spare equipment slots to account for these mods and I know my zon kills fast enough without them. Some bows have these mods on them already, but imo these mods do not make up for the lack of raw damage.
+IAS – put both places as too much is a waste and u need to ensure you don’t have excess IAS – for example 100 IAS is a waste as you are not any faster than if you had 90. Experiment about and find the IAS/MF trade off you are happy with.
+resistances – wherever you play your merc valk and decoy should be taking the hits, the majority of monsters in the pits do physical damage, but u can play anywhere in the game with very bad resistances as the merc valk decoy should always be taking the hits. My strafer has MINUS 60 res all.
+skills – strafers kill with damage not skills (like a furyzon), some +skills is nice to boost the passives.

The tables in there nice form can be seen here:

http://www.diabloii.net/characters/amazon/faq2.shtml#What%20is%20IAS? – cut and paste this link into IE then click on “10. Whats is IAS - UPDATED”

Bow IAS table – which I had to butcher as the formatting doesn’t work in the forums :/

FPS____[10]____[5]____[0]____[-10]
15/4_____0
14/4_____4______0
13/3_____11_____6_____0
12/3_____22_____15____9______0
11/3_____35_____27____20_____8
10/3_____56_____46____37_____22
9/3______89_____75____63_____42
9/2______120____102___86_____60
8/2______147____125___105____75
7/2______292____240___200____142

In the above table a WF (and BoTD in Hydra or Crusader bow) is [10].
WF IAS with some possible solutions:
12/3 – 22 (clean WF[20] and IAS belt[10] = 30 IAS)
11/3 – 35
10/3 - 56
9/3 – 89 (Sheal’d WF[40] + IAS belt[10] + IAS amulet[20] + IAS gloves[20] = 90 IAS)
9/2 – 120 (with IAS jewels this is easily possible but at the cost of mf)
8/2 – 147 (don’t even try as you would have ~0 mf)
7/2 – 292 (lol! I dare you)

The below table is for Crossbows, with a Buriza being [10.

FPS____[10]____[0]____[-10]____[-40]____[-60]
22/6_____0
22/5.5____2
21/5.5____3
20/5.5____7
19/5_____11_____0
18/5_____19_____7_____0
17/4.5____27____14_____3
16/4.5____37____22_____9
15/4_____50_____32____18
14/4_____70_____48____30______0
13/3.5____95_____68____46______4
12/3.5____138____99____70______16______0
11/3______215___152___109_____35______8


These tables have all been taken from the Amazon FAQ at the top of this (and every) page via the left hand side drag down menu.

*Mercenary:
For me there is only one choice for a strafer – the Act2 Nightmare Offensive Might merc:
My reasons are:
Act2 – because we will equip him with a Reapers Toll weapon and this is of huge significance to the build.
Might – might provides an excellent boost to our damage – in some cases it can add 30% to our strafe damage, plus the might aura gives boosts to both our merc and our valks damage (plus anyone in our party).

Other mercs have there uses, but none get close to the might merc, holy freeze is nice, as is blessed aim. But both those merc’s are supplanted with knock back and high AR/penetrate respectively.

Mercs Equipment
Helm – Anything with high life leech – Tal’s Mask / SteelSkull / Crown of Thieves etc.
Armour – Anything with high defence (upgraded where possible) and good mods – Duriels / Shaftstop / Skullders / Leviathan / Stone runeword, basically anything with 600+ defence.
Weapon – the most important item for the whole build imo, this is even more important than your choice of bow! – Reapers Toll (ETH is possible) – socketed with Amn.

Our merc is going to take huge amounts of damage and be in the front line for all attacks so lots of LL is vital to keep him alive. I aim for 20+ LL and with my preferred set up he has ~30 LL.

Why Reapers?
As a pure strafer the only thing we fear are Physical immunes (PI), now for pit running the only PI you are likely to face are PI uniques as none of the normal monsters spawn PI. However for ease of play in other areas where PI’s can spawn – Act2 + Act3 spring to mind, then you need some fast way of making them vulnerable to you.
The Reapers has 33% to cast decrepify on striking. Once triggered this means that every monster affected will lose 50% to physical resistances as well as having slower attack and movement speeds.
This affect will mean you do much more damage to those monsters and also it will remove any PI you encounter, even Stoneskin PI.

There are other methods of removing PI from monsters that can be used, and for those on NL you will have to try one of these methods as the Reapers Toll is Ladder only.
WWS bow has 2% to cast Amplify damage
Atmas Scarab amulet has 5% chance to cast Amp damage.
There are other sources of both Amp and decrepify and rares can spawn with either as a mod.

*Levelling Strategy:
As with everything in D2 ppl have many ways to do things and each prefer there own methods/ideas.
As we are going to be a pure strafer, with no non physical attack bar a few optional pdsc’s we are going to have problems in certain areas – Act2 and Act 3 spring to mind so if you are levelling by questing you really need to party for these acts. It is possible to solo quest the whole game, but the PI ghosts in both acts are a real pain for our strafer.
For those who do it the fast way, ie rush from a mate through the important quests and then baal running this is the easiest way to do it.
Normal quests until clvl 21 (usually this means end of Act2 – mid Act3)
Then cows until 25
Rush all remaining Acts & Ancients (& any key quests) and then baal runs until ~clvl 45
Nightmare rush (remembering to hire an Act2 Offensive merc) and Ancients
Nightmare baal runs until lvl 73 (for WF), or until you are lvl 75 (so merc can wear Reapers)
Now you have some choices:
1. Straight to the pits – in 1 man games – excellent for levelling up our merc (he needs to be lvl 75 for the Reapers).
2. Baal run to level up the merc
3. Go back through Normal + NM and do any/all quests that u missed and want/need to do.
4. Hell questing – A1Q1 / A1Q5 / A2Q1 / A3Q1 / A3Q4 / A4Q1 / A4Q2 / A5Q1 / A5Q3 are all the decent quests (on all difficulty levels).

Whichever you choose sooner or later you will want to venture into the pits to start mf’ing.

*Pit Running Strategy:
Start small and solo the pits in a single game and work your way up to a “difficulty” you are happy with at your level. The pits are an excellent place to level up our merc, so keeping him alive is a priority, and going back to town as soon as he is dead is sensible too.
Once you both are lvl 75 (or higher) you should be ready to make things harder for yourself, thus increasing the drops and the exp gained.
So join Hell questing games, or any games where there are a few players and give the pits a try.
Some Pit tips:

1. Use the Outer Cloister Waypoint and go backwards through the Monastery Gate and into the Tamoe Highlands. Follow the path and at some point it will fork/split with one branch leading to the Pits and the other leading towards the Black Marsh. If you take the wrong fork simple go back and take the other way. It helps to play with the map on as the entrance to the pits is shocking purple in colour and is easily seen on the map when not visible on screen.
2. If in doubt over mf/ias trade-off go full IAS for the first few runs, and gradually cut down on the IAS until you reach a comfortable point.
3. Learn the layouts, we want to kill everything as all monsters can drop good items, you soon learn how to “find” the way down to level 2 last as there only a limited number of map layout variations.
4. Strafelock – the bane of all strafers – once you have fired a strafe you will be unable to move or do anything for 1 or 2 seconds, so think before you fire and don’t be afraid to run back behind your merc/valk before you start firing. With practise you almost won’t notice the strafe lock as you will happily strafing away from a position of safety behind your merc and valk. I must say that if in doubt I always fire, as if I fire I hit and I leech so any damage taken is quickly nullified. The only dangerous area is the start of the second level when u can be faced with too many archers to be able to leech more than you loose.
5. Take it slow, your merc & valk will lag behind – she can be recast in front should u need.
6. Decoy can be used, especially near corners/intersections, however the only place I ever use it now is right at the start of the second level, just by the flame torch by the first stairs. This way if there are several archers she gets hit first and I know to be a little more cautious.
7. Use Strafe to “scout” ahead, with an empty screen fire one strafe – if 1 arrow appears there are no monsters in range so move forward. If several arrow shoot of then there are monsters in range (and in the direction of the arrows), so you can cast a decoy that way (and Valk), and advance slowly shooting off strafes. Just repeat this method until you feel comfortable with your char, and the layout of the pits.
8. In your belt keep 16 FULL rejuv’s – you will pick up so many from the pits that it’s a waste to have single life/mana potions in our belt. Plus with good ML/LL we shouldn’t need to drink potions, they are more for our merc should he run into a large pack.
9. Beware of monsters who explode on death, they can wipe ~700 life in one blast – a rejuv is in order here.
10. If your Valks heath gets into the yellow – retreat and recast, this is much better than trying to recast a dead valk.
11. The pits are not like Meph, where some rare/unique/set drops every run, some runs will produce nothing better than a flawless gem or 2, but the beauty of the pits is that unlike meph anything and everything can drop. So many runs are needed to produce results and I am dubious regarding some ppl’s claim to have found x shakos, y Stormsheilds and x Tal’s armours in 10 runs.

Shanksie1337
13-04-2004, 18:20
*Versatility:
After the feedback from the draft it became clear that there was some call for a section that discussed modifications to gear/charms/skills with the goal of helping our strafer in other areas of the game.
In her current state, she is not limited to endless pit runs, and there are other areas that can be mf’ed with no changes made. These include – Eld / Shenk & Pindle but I am sure there are more. Personally I am happy to take her into a baal run with no changes made to the existing setup, but others may cringe at the thought of -60 res all and Burning Souls.

The 4 main areas that can be changed are:
1. Equipment
2. Charms
3. Stat points
4. Skill points

Both 3 & 4 need a lot of pre planning and so I won’t spend too much time on them, instead I will concentrate on the 2 aspects of any character that can be changed easily and quickly.

Equipment & Charms
Because a strafer gets damage from gear and not skills it means that a highly efficient strafer is not a cheap build to make. So if you are new/poor then I’d suggest a sorc to run meph to get a supply of good gear and tradable.
Again I will stress that WF / BoTD are you main aims, as both provide the killing power we need. Rare bows have the possibility to spawn with as good, if not better mods than a WF, but I’d guess they are even rarer/costly than the WF. There are other good bows out there, but they all require alterations and sacrifices in order to fit the main mods on our zon.

I had planned to make this section much more in-depth but to list all combinations/permutations would take pages and pages. Instead I’ll list a few mod changes that you can consider, and leave the actual item list up to you.

Leech - As a rule less bow damage needs more IAS. This is because you will be doing less damage with one strafe, so we need to compensate with a faster strafe rate, and this may push mana costs up.

IAS/mf trade-off – One of the simplest methods to improve her longevity is to cut down on the mf gear, and increase IAS or some other aspects that you deem necessary.

Resistances – obviously minus 60 res all scares some ppl, and there are several easy solutions, again not all listed. Tal’s armour to mf in or several of the runeword armours if mf isn’t the priority.
Other easy sources of resistance are – rare/crafted jewellery – UM socketing in armour/helm – charms (either as the main mod, or as a second mod on a life/mf charm) – good rare/crafted boots (mf / frw / res are a commonish spawn) – same with rare/crafted gloves (ias / mf / res).

Life – for some areas you will lose your merc often – Chaos Sanctuary or anywhere with those pesky Doom Knights – so more life is usually called for as you will spend most of your time with just the 1 tank, and lose the precious might aura.

Open Wounds / Crushing blow / Deadly strike – are all useful, and if you want to sacrifice some mf, then they can certainly help your killing speed.

Stat & Skill points
With the above build, and depending on how high you level her and +skills gear, you will certainly have 20+ spare skill points to spend. For those who don’t want to, or can’t rely on the merc to solve the PI issue, then investing skill points in either the J&S or B&XB tree can provide a second form of attack.
The main two to consider are:
LF – Lightning Fury – Doesn’t need synergising and we already have pierce, so 23 points gets you a nice maxed Lighting attack on switch. (if you use Titans & Lidless on switch you can have +5 extra J&S skills)
FA – Freezing Arrow - Spending 15-25 points in FA and Cold Arrow can produce a useful backup skill to help slow and kill those PI you encounter. Having a bow with +skills can be of use here, as unlike strafe some +skills can increase the damage. Cold Charms and anything that increase cold damage/duration would also be of great use.

I suppose you could always go melee with Jab/Fend etc – but I have to admit I tried them once, and they really weren’t for me!

Lastly there is the possibility of using slightly different stat distribution.
If the WF wasn’t for you, then you would free up ~30 stat points that could be used elsewhere.
You could also balance the dex/vita equation slightly differently and put more into vitality, as the zon my build produces is very dex heavy.
It is possible to alter the stat point distribution, but this really needs planning well in advance and obviously can’t be undone at a later time, so tinker at your peril.

*PvP Section:
I don’t pvp, and from what I can gather the WF is banned in many duels due to the Knock back mod. I may in the future try pvp’ing using a different bow. I am sure some ppl pvp with strafers, but from what I have read elsewhere a bowazon is not the best char for pvp.

*My setup (for those that care):“Windiekins” lvl 88 Strafer – skills as above with spare skill points put into P&M tree

WF “Shael” 8%
Shako “pt”
Skullders “pt”
Goldwrap “upgraded”
Chancies “upgraded” 33% - I sometimes use LoH to get 90 IAS but I find I really don’t need them.
War Trav’s 46%
Cat’s Eye
Ravenfrost 20/24x
Rare 8LL +10dex +etc ring

Gheeds 36%
Anni 13/10/10 – I use it for the +10% to exp
Life sc’s * 6
1290 in pdsc’s
Passive & Magic Skiller
Cube / Keys / Scrolls
= ~350 mf with a 2*4 empty space in inventory (so I could add 8*7 = 56 more mf).

With gear on:
Str – 140
Dex – 395
Vita – 115
Energy – 30

~8k AR / 1.2k def
830 life / 350 mana
-60 res all in Hell

Normal Attack – 1567-4005 // 1680-5134 – (second figures are with the might aura)
Strafe – 1224-3487 // 1308-4336

“Leharas” lvl 88 might merc
ETH Reapers Toll “Amn”
Leviathan “pt”
Tal’s Mask “pt”

397-2250 // 642-4133

*Disclaimer
This guide is simply a collection of replies I have given regarding my experiences with strafing in the pits; everything is open to opinion/preference and budget. In D2 there are very rarely right/wrong ways of doing things and I am sure everyone disagrees with some point of this guide. I am equally sure I have missed points/items/strategies/options etc; this wasn’t an attempt to produce a definitive list, more a summary of what has worked/failed for me in my time pitting.

I hope it has helped those that read it needing help and I wish you all better luck mf’ing in the pits than I seem to have had.

Shanksie

mgill1772
13-04-2004, 19:47
Good guide, I liked reading it.

can this strafer run the chaos sanc? I'm just curious, she has good damage but there can be heavy elemental damage there, im sure she clears pit very well but I havent had the best luck there, matter of preference i think, i would like to c this strafer in action as I'm revamping my pure bow style.

Shanksie1337
13-04-2004, 19:52
@ mgiil thanks for the comment - always nice to know i got a few bits right :D
as for the CS she does well there, how well depends on how often the merc get's IM'd - sometimes i just remove his weapon, but then it usually takes me 3 or more pit runs before i realise why he isn't decrepping anything.

So it's either no decrepify or many tp's back to resurrect him

It's the old situation tho, for the CS nothing clears it faster than a hammerdin, much like nothing (without enigma) does meph quite like a sorc, or the pits like this zon, still the straferzon is versatile enough to run CS should u want a break from the pits, but for pure CS runs i'd dust off the old hdin.

mgill1772
13-04-2004, 19:58
i think hybrid can hang with hammerdin in chaos sanc and the killing is more thorough imo, so if u have people along for the ride they dont get screwed.

I also havent played hammerdin but........hybird zon is just my fav hands down. But your right in that zon effectiveness is many time merc dependant.

Shanksie1337
13-04-2004, 22:29
Comments anyone, surely i can't have answered all questions?

besides if no1 has anything to say this will soon be on page 47 :/

totoro
14-04-2004, 00:22
I like this guide. Who decides if the post gets made into a "Sticky"?

I actually have a strafzon lvl 78, and she does ok in the pit. She has some of the same stuff you mention in your guide. I still have about 30 stat points to distribute, tho (can't decide if I should save points for WF - if I ever find one). I need to level up my merc, tho. Thanks again.

Orcin
14-04-2004, 00:44
Outstanding guide. Organized, complete, concise. Well done!

alexmatusiak
14-04-2004, 08:09
I really liked your guide. But I'm a little weary of any build that I can't solo the game with. I understand this is a build designed to run the pits for items, but I'd love to do more with it.

What would you suggest for immunies? Hellrack?

I'm not big on melee characters anymore ... if the hand of God gave me a Zod I'd probably make a BotD bow for sheer coolness ... add bramble armour for thorns on merc and decoy and added poison nova damage would be cool. More of a big investment for a theme build, though. Seeing all those novas going off would be a sight to behold!

Shanksie1337
14-04-2004, 12:15
Thanks for the replies

@alexmatusiak - i don't think any character can truely "solo" the whole game - take a hammerdin down into the maggot lair, or a blizz sorc to do the Anya quest - both will eventually do it, but no where near as well as they do other areas of the game, and this pure strafer is no exception.

regarding immunes - if on ladder you can definatley get away with keeping pure strafe - with an atmas/WWS/Reapers all the PI's will die.
If on NL - and without the Reapers - i'd be more inclind to spend 23 skill points on LF, mainly due to the low trigger %'s on both WWS + Atmas - wearing both you could fire 9 strafes and not get them trigger - this is touched upon in the "versatility" section.

Salo
14-04-2004, 12:34
Thanks for the replies

@alexmatusiak - i don't think any character can truely "solo" the whole game - take a hammerdin down into the maggot lair, or a blizz sorc to do the Anya quest - both will eventually do it, but no where near as well as they do other areas of the game, and this pure strafer is no exception.

regarding immunes - if on ladder you can definatley get away with keeping pure strafe - with an atmas/WWS/Reapers all the PI's will die.
If on NL - and without the Reapers - i'd be more inclind to spend 23 skill points on LF, mainly due to the low trigger %'s on both WWS + Atmas - wearing both you could fire 9 strafes and not get them trigger - this is touched upon in the "versatility" section.

even with crappy ias gear and an eagle (crappier than a buriza without even socketing the buriza yet) I launced a lot of Amp's from the Atma's. 5% is rather often. 2% is hardly ever, but it is nice to add to the gravey. (and long duration of 5th level)

PI killer for a zon is either cold or fire. unless you have wws upgraded, then you can just straight shoot with that on and a might merc.

Backdoor Bandit
14-04-2004, 12:47
Aha, the final edition!

Good stuff man. I like the structure, content and the manner in which things were explained. This is a really well-rounded guide for any ama player.

Congratulations :thumbsup: Perhaps we should contact Crow (forum mod) to have it stickied?

Btw, I saw you play on Europe. Do you play non-ladder at all? Would be great to do some runs together. Let me know, I am currently on the look out to play with some ppl.

-Backdoor Bandit

Shanksie1337
14-04-2004, 12:56
@Salo - from my experience with atmas/wws they tended to trigger most when it wasn't vital, and not at all when my butt depended on it.
And i stick by my opinion that on L nothing kills PI's faster than a Reapers - all you NL guys/gals should get one asap when L ends.

@Mr Bandit - that would be great.... but atm L only, and i think when this L season ends i shall probably be NL only, tho that depends on what changes occur in the next patch?


As for being "stickied" i haven't a clue how things get sticked, i assumed some forum God swooped down and granted the lucky posts this honour :D

Backdoor Bandit
14-04-2004, 13:04
@Mr Bandit - that would be great.... but atm L only, and i think when this L season ends i shall probably be NL only, tho that depends on what changes occur in the next patch?


As for being "stickied" i haven't a clue how things get sticked, i assumed some forum God swooped down and granted the lucky posts this honour :D

Grrr...That's a shame, oh well. Not sure about how to go about getting this stickied either...Perhaps send it to the strategy compendium. There are no ama guides their yet.

-Backdoor Bandit

Shanksie1337
14-04-2004, 13:39
Perhaps send it to the strategy compendium. There are no ama guides their yet.

-Backdoor Bandit

lol top advise BB - followed the steps to submit it there, and i seem to have already done most of the correct steps - i just pm'd crow so maybe we will get a sticky :D

Backdoor Bandit
14-04-2004, 15:43
lol top advise BB - followed the steps to submit it there, and i seem to have already done most of the correct steps - i just pm'd crow so maybe we will get a sticky :D

Spledid :thumbsup:

Keep me updated man.

-Backdoor Bandit

Shanksie1337
14-04-2004, 21:52
ofc course BB

hopefully i can get more feedback on this guide....

Loinje
14-04-2004, 22:05
great guide tbh shanksie, ive just made a strafer following ur guide and she rox the pit :cheesy: this should be stickified for sure :winner:

Stormie
15-04-2004, 06:03
+life leech – helps keep us alive, ~7LL is enough depending on your damage.
+mana leech – strafe costs 11 mana and so you need some method to refill the mana pool, ~7ML is enough depending on damage (more damage = more leech as leech is a % of damage).
Just a quick note: in Hell, leech is divided by 3, as most people know - but that is an integer division, rounded down. So 7% leech is exactly the same as 6% or 8% in Hell. So you might want to mention that, or at least say "6% LL/ML is enough".

Shanksie1337
15-04-2004, 13:34
well i have never tried 6ml/ll as i always had 7 of both, and i know that works.
tbh i am fairly sure you could cope with much less at higher levels with a WF as the huge damage would compensate for the small %

and ~7 is 6-8 in by book :D

Backdoor Bandit
15-04-2004, 14:01
Some news:

"We've added seven new guides to the Strategy Compendium this evening. One Paladin, two for the Necromancer, two for the Assassin and two for the Druid. Actually we added one at the end of March for a Fire Druid but neglected to update the news here with details. You can find all the linkage you need on the front page of the Strategy Compendium. Don't forget to leave comments and feedback for the authors, you can find that box at the bottom of each strategy page."

Be sure to get yours in there shanksie :thumbsup:

-Backdoor Bandit

Shanksie1337
15-04-2004, 14:19
thanks for the kind words again BB, i have pm'ed Crow (yesterday) so i assume s/he will look at this sometime and make a judgement either way. Tho i did feel a little ego mad suggesting my own thread for a sticky, but nm :o

From what i gather they may get stickied, and if they get sticked they may get put on the strategy compendium, but i may be totally wrong :D

Backdoor Bandit
15-04-2004, 14:43
thanks for the kind words again BB, i have pm'ed Crow (yesterday) so i assume s/he will look at this sometime and make a judgement either way. Tho i did feel a little ego mad suggesting my own thread for a sticky, but nm :o

From what i gather they may get stickied, and if they get sticked they may get put on the strategy compendium, but i may be totally wrong :D

True, most probably. The big test will be the strat compendium. That's where the guide could become popular or be ripped to shreads by the ultimate gurus that seem to know everything about amas. Only time will tell....muuuhhhaahahah :lol:

-Backdoor Bandit

Shanksie1337
15-04-2004, 15:52
yeah true, none of the ama forum guru's - ie the ppl who have had stickies or seem to know their beans - freyas / Jek / Kirsty etc have commented, so either they haven't read it, or have but had nothing to say :|

dereklearnslow
15-04-2004, 19:20
Quick question. How much damage does your strafer do with might merc activated? I made a stafe pit runner before and my damage always seemed too low (1000-1500-ish, sometimes more). I used goldstrike, magewrath, and sometimes Buriza (too slow). Is that where your damage shoud be? If it is then I'm just too impatient.

Shanksie1337
15-04-2004, 19:23
Strafe – without aura = 1224-3487 // with aura = 1308-4336

Using a WF the min is usually lower, my pdsc's boost that, and obviously with a WF the higher level you are, the higher your max is going to be due to extra dex and bigger bonus from the bow. (she is lvl 88)

dereklearnslow
15-04-2004, 19:34
Ah ok. Well I'll remake my stafer whenever I get WF and Reaper's. I won't hold my breathe.

Shanksie1337
15-04-2004, 19:47
nono, they are perfectly workable with other gear.
WWS (upg or not), Lysanders (upg or not) etc etc, also you can just add more mods like Deadly Strike / Crushing Blow / Open wounds to help maximise the extra damage you do.

my figures are with a char with NONE of these mods, so i need the high raw power, for lower power you just need to add the extra mods to increase your killing power.

Good levels of:
Critical Strike
CB
OW
DS

etc can all help vastly improve your killing speed, even tho the actual displayed numbers might not go thru the roof.

YogiRat
16-04-2004, 04:30
Just a quick note: in Hell, leech is divided by 3, as most people know - but that is an integer division, rounded down. So 7% leech is exactly the same as 6% or 8% in Hell. So you might want to mention that, or at least say "6% LL/ML is enough".
Yes, I've read this several times. Since my only source of leach is 5% off my Steelskull, does this mean I only have 1% leach in Hell? How I do it?:surprise: Seriously, I do have to chug pots in Act5, but I attribute that to the large number of unleachables there.

Stickie please Crow :)

Shanksie1337
16-04-2004, 16:34
*Versatility: (Addendum)
It seems that I failed to get my versatility message across with my first attempt.
The main point I failed to get across was this guide is for a pit running strafer, and this is why I suggest the gear that I do, and why I place such emphasis on a WF.

If however you:
A) Don’t have a WF
B) Don’t like the WF you own
C) Don’t want to mf in the pit

I.e. you want to play as a strafer, not a pit running strafer!

Then the character you built based on this guide is just as viable in all areas on Hell, you just need to select some different gear. Those people that think that you must have a WF in order to build an efficient strafer couldn’t be more wrong and many people will in fact claim that for a PvM strafer there are actually better bows, and certainly better equipment choices than the ones I have suggested above.

The reason I suggest and stress WF/BoTD is that my pit strafers equipment is all about pure bow based damage, with no extra damage mods like CB / OW / DS. So the damage you see on the character screen is pretty much close to the real damage I do to the monsters (excluding the effect of decrepify from the mercs Reapers Toll). I suggest this method as this frees up all other equipment slots for IAS+MF. But for a more versatile, play anywhere strafer, there is absolutely NO need to get all your killing power from your bow as the lack of MF frees up many more equipment slots.

A pure strafer can kill anywhere in the game with ANY bow/xbow with the right gear (and tactics).
You simply get your damage from all your equipment:
DS from Highlords Wrath
A whole bunch of good mods from Gore Rider boots
Extra damage to demons from Laying of Hands
Blood Gloves can provide many useful mods as well.

The equipment list is endless.
Many ppl on these forums will tell you they own a WF and prefer to use other bows, with WWS, Lycanders, Eaglehorn and GSA being high on the list.

With other bows the listed damage on the character screen may be much lower, but the real damage you deal to the monsters once all the mods have been added will be much much higher, and then increased again with decrep.

Another thing to mention is that the WF has a base speed of 10, and as many of the other bows you could use have faster base speeds, this means that would be less need to cram as much IAS into your equipment in order to hit the faster strafe speeds.

I just suggest a WF because if I had to play a naked zon in the pits, equipped with just a bow, no armour, boots, gloves, jewellery, charms etc, I would pick a WF.

Hope this helps cleer things up

Shanks

Shanksie1337
18-04-2004, 14:36
shameless .

Tinen
18-04-2004, 20:06
Excellent post. I started a Strafer knowing NOTHING about Strafers and I keep coming back to this post and I learn a little bit more everytime I read it. Thanks

Rayxxx
19-04-2004, 08:32
Thank you for your great guide.

I made a WF strafer along your guide. It's so cool!

I want to add an item for Strafer, it's "Andariel's Visage".
By socketing IAS juel, it gives 35% IAS. Also it gives 10% LL.

My strafer equipes,

Andariel's Visage
Lion Heart armor
Laying of Hand
Nosferatu's coil
Gore Rider
Windforce with Shael rune

With these gears, she has 125%IAS.

What is your opinion?

Shanksie1337
19-04-2004, 12:43
Thank you both for the nice feedback i am glad it is helping ppl :D

@Rayxxx - excellent choice of gear, i hadn't considered andy's vis (mainly due to the horrible -fire res - but on this build this isn't much of a problem mainly due to LoH)
You probably have far too much LL, but as this isn't at the cost of other mods it can't be bad.
a few qusetions
1. what jewellery are you using?
2. what are your res's in hell?

Rayxxx
19-04-2004, 13:49
jewelly is

Raven Frost
Dwarf Star
Cat's Eye

with many resist sc's, resist in hell is
29/-11/45/74

Because I usually use my Strafer to kill the Council in Travincal, Dwarf Star is so nice for me. The Hydra summoned by Council can't harm her at all.

I also use her to quest the Chaos Sanctuary with the gears above. I think no another characters can clean up the monsters in this area as quick as the strafer.

when I kill Diablo, I change the helm and boot

Blackhorn's face with Ort rune
Infernostride

with this the resist is
85/-11/75/4

Beam attack and Fire Nove (?) of Diablo also can't harm her because of fire and Lightning absorption. But another fire attack is a little harmful.

with Blackhorn's and Infernostride, she can do Baal run. But it is better to play with Lightning amazon in this area.


As switch gears, I use
Gimmershred
Moser's Blessed Circle with 2 P-diamonds.
75/52/75/85
She can treat PI monsters, but takes long time to kill them. Is there better way?

Shanksie1337
19-04-2004, 14:23
Rayxx is assume you are on ladder due to the andy's visage.
do you have an act2 merc? if so equip him with a reapers toll (polearm) - can be bought for pgems/crafting runes on most realms. The Reapers Toll has 33% chance to cast decrepify and this will remove 99.9% of all PI's and due to the large % to cast you can pretty much assume they will stay un-PI and you can WF them to death quite quickly.
(apparently there are some PI's it won't remove but i have never encountered one).

I am also very glad that you back up my claim that this zon can play well in other areas apart from the pits with a few gear changes :D

Rayxxx
19-04-2004, 14:52
Thank you for your reply. http://forums.rpgforums.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1783702#

I have the Might Marc with the reapers toll. But he die so soon at Travincal (TT). (I'm trying to find best gears for my Marc to quest Travincal and Chaos Sanctuary. Of course the best weapon is the reapers toll)

Even without migh marc, the strafer you designed is works well ^^.
Due to the high LL percentage, She can survive even when she is surrounded by monsters. (As I'm an unskillful player, she's often hit by)

I should add that the strafer works well in Drifter Cavern and Icy Cellar in act5. I found 2 Ist-runes there.^^

Thank you for your great guide, again.

Shanksie1337
19-04-2004, 15:02
is your merc a nice high level, as mine is lvl 80 and he never dies in the pits with:
Vamp Gaze
Duriels
Hone Sundan [AmnShaelAmn] (haven't got round to muling the Eth reapers onto him yet)

As for the CS - the moment he gets IM'd he will die, and if you take off his weapon so he doesn't die when IM'd then he usually dies due to lack of leech, but as you said this build can do just fine in the CS without a merc, you just have to use decoy a little more to help the valk.

for places like travi and cs i do like to put a tals mask on the merc due to the excellent leech and the 15 all res so he is as near to max res as he can be.

MafCallow
20-04-2004, 02:16
Good work shanksie :D

When seaching for superlatives for this guide, I considered "comprehensive" - then my housemate pointed out it was almost as long as his Uni dissertation, so I checked.

5000 words? Are you bedridden?! :p

Tonge-in-cheek abuse aside, it's a fabulous guide - I think I shall try one myself, when I'm done with my WW Barb... :)


Oh, and good luck with the quest for stickiness / official status!

Maf :)

YomoKimyata
20-04-2004, 20:01
something you might want to add: there are a number of good rare bows that can be used as well (everyone always forgets about those poor rares!) I found one the other day that I created a strafer specifically around.

Rare Blade Bow
+261% ED
+140 AR
+100 poison damage/6 seconds
5% cast AD
+2 amazon skills

damage about 75-150, needs 60 IAS to hit 2 frame strafe. I think I will go with shael in weapon, goldwrap, LoH and crowcaw for the open wounds.

I realize now that I may be better off with a different build since strafe is not that +skills dependent, but she has been doing wonders through NM. Other equipment is pure cr*p, i shudder to think how she will do if i mule some decent equipment to her. PI does not tend to be too big a problem, since the AD triggers pretty frequently and breaks immunity. Hell may be more problematic. Also, since the base damage is relatively low, I went with a rouge merc rather than a Act II merc -- With a riphook, she does a good job of slowing folks down while they fumble all over my decoy and valk.

As time goes by I think I will load up on poison and try to get a bramble for my merc.

Crow
21-04-2004, 09:02
Its official, I'm not dead!

Awesome guide I love reading stuff like this.

stupidgreen
21-04-2004, 09:57
Great Guide!

I am wondering about how much AR is needed to run the pits. Each point I put into penetrate is only increasting my chance to hit by about 1%. Seams like its a lot of skill points to waste for just a little increase in AR.

Shanksie1337
21-04-2004, 14:15
@YomoK - your right, i have made no direct mention of rare bows (but i do mention rare jewellery/boots/gloves etc). Some ppl will find/trade godly rare that are as good, if not better than the bows/xbows i have mentioned, but as the number of possible mod combinations are huge no real anaylsis of rare weapons can be made. If you do have a really sexy rare ofc it can make a perfect strafer weapon.

@Crow - nice one and ty

@stupidgreen - AR is like most things, personal preference, but my thinking behind maxing are:
1. We want to do lots of damage (either raw damage, or via mods such as OW/DS etc), and we need our arrows to hit in order to do this. And the more they hit the better. Also the more we hit the more we leech, and running around even SC with 650-850 life means that 1 hit kills are a risk, but having arrows in there air, that will hit, means that u leech as fast as the monsters can damage you.
2. Strafe has no synergies, so we get no damage boost from investing in other skills, so in order to boost the damage over time we max penetrate to give us the best possible chance to hit.
3. As strafe has no synergies this build will be finished by the mid 70's. Of course we could forego penetrate and spend the extra 20 skill points elsewhere. But unless they are all going to go in the other passives we would turn this pure strafer into a hybrid of some sort - either Strafe/LF, Strafe/FA or some other choice, and my thinking behind the whole guide is that strafe is a good enough skill not to need a "backup" skill for. *unless u meet the 0.01% monster that decrep wont remove the PI - finally met one yesterday doing Shenk.*
4. Lastly more penetrate enables us, should we wish to have more life and less dex, but this again is down to personal preference regarding how much life you want on your zon.

my old strafer "Windiekins" mentioned in the guide had about 6.5k AR at lvl 88.
Having remade her (originally i spend ~30 points in FA/CA but never used them), WindieKins mk2 has about 8.7K AR at level 85 and has a much better chance to hit

cowtestickles
21-04-2004, 22:39
GOOD JOB :thumbsup: on the guide man very well put together. And i know this build is a pit running ***** cause Shank gave advice on how to build mine and its a spitting image of this guide and she does great. Once again good job :thumbsup: . And i'll drink to that :drink: !

Backdoor Bandit
21-04-2004, 22:45
Now we finally have a place to send all those ppl creating threads on how to make a strafer :thumbsup: Grats on getting this bad boy stickied :worship:

That's 1000 posts for me! I would like to thank my mom and....nah I won't start. 1000 baby, WoOt :yep:

-Backdoor Bandit

cowtestickles
22-04-2004, 00:33
Now we finally have a place to send all those ppl creating threads on how to make a strafer :thumbsup: Grats on getting this bad boy stickied :worship:

That's 1000 posts for me! I would like to thank my mom and....nah I won't start. 1000 baby, WoOt :yep:

-Backdoor Bandit
good job on the 1000 i'm working on it