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Ritslev

09-04-2004, 18:10

Hey Franky.

For the gear you've collected, I'd definately say good job. You seem to be working hard and that is part of this whole BF gear assembly idea.
You mention gear which you'd like added and I agree with most of it... except Draculs. Yes they are cool gloves, but the Life Drain it offers isn't as good as other stats which gloves can offer. Crafted gloves and Soul Drainers are much better.
Keep up the good work.
About your merc. Nice gear. I would have loved my mercs gear to be etheral but still : Shaft + Gaze + Bonehew (amn/amn) does the trick still. It offers :
50% reduced damage (and since a merc already has some reduced damage this extra makes him a very good tank.)
20% life leech.
damage : 507 - 1878
life : 2067.
ATM i'm pondering adding runes for more life but that is at the bottom of my list of things to test.

Hoi Mufassa.

Well good to see another play joins the party.
It's always great to see new players trying out different things. I won't kid you though that the weapon you're using will of course see a deminishing effect in multi player games. That is also part of the challenge.
Speaking of multi player games Crushing Blow, also has a deminishing effect in multi player games, so keep that in mind when testing it.
As for your skills... (grin) .. save em. I had a some time 37 unspend skills at level 5X, it was quite ammusing really, but eventually you'll find where to place them and well then you'll be set.
One thing though. Get at least 1 point in Death Sentry, to help with the killing, even if you max Venom and Shadow Master first.

As for animations.. well if you want to see something amusing ... Do the following
Put on a FROSTWIND blade.
click on the : Artic Blast - while out of town of course.
and you'll go WTF!... You see your assasin will now do a spinning kick vertically... yes vertically not horizontally, be stuck half way through the kick and start to sprout frost out her *beep*... talk about animations.. that is one which always gets a laugh...

With said I'm also not a great fan of the point and shoot of the BFs' animation.

Muffassa

09-04-2004, 19:04

I'll definatly have to give that Frostwind thing a try :) looks like it could be cool too - and well worth the laugh. I play mostly Single Player and use the /players 8 function, so I often reduce it for especially dificult parts (or when fighting Isuzal with his 2432543424 life.

Thanks again!

Tanatus

09-04-2004, 19:28

Glad to see this new and updated guid for very unusual yet most durable built in game. I think its nessesary mention - this is ultimate class/skill built for HC. Unless you want to do something extremely stupid furysin virtually unkillable in PvM. Maxed SM, High cloak of Shadow, Mind blast and maxed Fade - very crucial if you want to survive ANYTHING.
Beauty of furysin that this type not really relay on skills but rather on gear which give huge variety of substyles that you can use. My furysin have moderate life but maxed blocking and relay heavy on poison attack (even merc armed with "poison" aka eth viperfork).
I have slightly different approach on fighting - I overcome monsters defence not with ITD but with Cloak of Shadow and -%monster defence per hit as well as relatively high dextr (which serve not only for maximum block but also for maximizing weapon damage). With my "shadowkiller" built I dont even need merc - but I am looking forward for getting ohm for eth viperfork what should bring damage of my secondary tank up 2700 per hit and I am considering switching deffencive act2 NM merc (HF) in favor of offensive act2 NM merc (might aura). As I said cloak of shadow + mind blast if litterally immobilize everything and now I have notion to boost my damage (atm I have displayed 500-1700 per blade firing and not counting my open wound, deadly strike and crushing blow)
As a some personal notes:
Bear in mind while shadowkilling fusysin is nearble immune to any form of attack (they either greatly reduced via 33% weaken + 50% PDR , or blocked if you chose to use moser/SS or simply resisted due to Fade/gear) there is one attack that can harm you - its lighting from black souls/gloams. While you attacking you planted to ground hence each arch of lighting hit you FIVE time as well as assositate with it physical attack will hit you FIVE time. Cloack of shadow somethat protect you ... as long as you not on same line as your merc or SM... (which is unfortunally usually a case). So you need have any form of lighting adsorbtion either as a switch gear or in a primary.
Another thing that I feel need to be stressed out - if by some misfortune you have "monster flee" anywhere in your gear - "prevent monsters to heal" become mandatory thing to have or killing single monster will take forever. To elaborate this I just say that in hell monsters run far enouth and for long enouth to get up to 30-50% health back before you start hit them again. So word of advice if you are desperate to use upped Rattelcage for extra 25% CB use it as switch gear for bosses only.
Last but not least PI monsters can pose certain problem and few way to beat - em. First is trivial - get a lot elemental damage, other way around is get high open wounds gear. So then you consider your gear think about this too. Since you going to use DS to deliver addicition damage to area you need copses and as a such I suggest you avoid having any cold elemetal damage/freeze target in your gear/your merc gear.

Frankeinstein

09-04-2004, 19:48

THanks for the comments. I see your point on the gloves. I just haven't been able to score the souls yet & when I do find someone to trade w/ they want too much or something I can't come up with.

I lucked out on the (eth) crown! That is 1 piece that will not be traded! (well I'd have to be offered some ungodly sum for it... Its def is 451 + 12% LL :drool:
also have an (eth)rockstopper

now 1 question... the demon limb gives AR you say... is that after you cast it & do a weapon switch? or you still have to use it? I have both (eth) & (non eth) now :scratch:

I almost got my hands on a (eth) gimmershred last night... just couldn't come up with what they wanted for it...(290's) :rant:

BTW I'm getting tired of this trade for 290's business.... maybe since i never had any.

Ritslev

09-04-2004, 21:45

...now 1 question... the demon limb gives AR you say... is that after you cast it & do a weapon switch?

Demon Limb... you switch to your second weapon.. the Demon Limb.
Then click on your enchant skill. You activate enchant and then switch back to your main weapon.
Your main weapon will be Enchanted since it is the character and not the individual weapon which is enchanted.

...While you attacking you planted to ground hence each arch of lighting hit you FIVE time as well as assositate with it physical attack will hit you FIVE time. Cloack of shadow somethat protect you ... .

Cloak of Shadows will stop Souls dead in their tracks if used correctly. They will stop 'firing' completely. It is though a good idea to have Lightning absorb in your stash I suggest Whisp Ring here.. Expensive yes but leaves you with your other killing gear intact.

...Another thing that I feel need to be stressed out - if by some misfortune you have "monster flee" anywhere in your gear - "prevent monsters to heal" become mandatory thing to have or killing single monster will take forever....

On this we completely disagree. Monster flee will not make monster flee so far that they regain 50% of their health. That is absolute nonsense.

Though should they do.. and I'm playing this little game here, in agreeing that they do. Well then you will by the time they return have a corpse. Maybe two? Oh.. wait how about three?.. and Death Sentry will make short expendature of them still. Monster flee is not a 'misfortune' nor is 'PMH' mandatory. I've survived without PVM and used Flee for .. well months now.

The damage output I have on my Fury Sin ATM is 707-3545 (this is clean damage, which includes Venom, elemental damage and the 3/4 damage reduction. So to put it shortly this is the damage you receive with each blade. I'm ATm trying to get this upgraded to even more, but that is still under testing, mind you I have 52% critical strike so 52% of the time my daamge is a lot higher. Anyways....

They run, but don't get far.

Like my daddy taught me.
- If they are lying down kick em!
and
- If they get up and run away, shoot them in the back.

SonOfRa

BIGeyedBUG

09-04-2004, 23:46

Furthermore, any source of Open Wounds (Malice, Blood Belt, Gore Riders) takes care of that problem very nicely. One of the great twisted pleasures of this game is watching a victim run off leaving a trail of blood.

The main problem I have with the Flee! from Rattlecage is it overwriting CoS (and other curses). This has occasionally resulted in some sticky situations. Still, in HC I think it's basically a plus.

Frankeinstein

10-04-2004, 00:41

Demon Limb... you switch to your second weapon.. the Demon Limb.
Then click on your enchant skill. You activate enchant and then switch back to your main weapon.
Your main weapon will be Enchanted since it is the character and not the individual weapon which is enchanted.

SonOfRa

So I am doing it correctly then I take demon limb off & put it in stash instead & put jade talon for back up when elementals get hairy.

Now you have done it... I got a Brainhew in a trade a couple minutes ago. Almost got a flamebellow too. Got a 2nd light sabre now, Guess I can use that for trading. Flamebellow has pretty good dam & can be used 1 handed also... lots of fire dam on that.

Looked up stats on Hwannins armor... now I know why... Static field. Forgot about that. I also liked tooththrow on him. guess I gotta paly around with his stuff too. SO you perfer gaze over Crown of thieves?

better check that too. but eth crown w/ hig def & 12% LL... that s hard for me to switch. But if I go with 2 amn's in the bonehew... thats 26% LL for the merc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yep:

Tanatus

10-04-2004, 01:31

Just dont foget that in hell you leach only 10% aka if you have 26%LL in hell it equal 2.6%....
Even given fact that I am using probably best weapon for furysin (stormlash) and have maxed venom (with items slvl 23) I still running around 500-1700 per blade and that may cause such a problem with monsters flee. I can stick with target but once its fled (still happend even w/o rattlecage due to SM) it flee far better say to far attack range of blade or out of line of sight. To elaborate it - if you are attacking group and picked closest to you mob once its fled between you and mob will be plently other mobs and they will take hits instead of your main target ... sadly. So I'd rephrase myself in a next way - unless can relaible hit mark 2.0K+ per blade on average monsters flee will cause a problem... From this point of view one may consider socketing helm/armor/weapon with +40%ID jewels with probably secondary modes with str/elemental damage or/and socketing weapon with ohm OR consider using act2 NM merc with might aura (my MF sorc have offencive merc with eth Hades+ some scyth with -50% mob defence per hit and 3 necros skill along with good fire damage - he have solid duralubitlity due to LL on helm and damage very respectible to keep himself alive via leach)
About souls its not entierly correct that they will stop attack under CoS.... Yes those that not in melee range will just sit duck and do nothing but those that in melee range of your merc or/and SM will use thier dread lighting attack that also carry melee attack (bug or not but it's how souls attack work). If you are not on line of sight ... you can ignore it but usually SM tend to hang around or near you and stay right between you and target (I tried many time recast SM from the side of pack in order to get different target from SM but ... pet always switch on same target I am attacking)

Frankeinstein

10-04-2004, 02:29

well I put a hel & amn in the axe. (had extra hel) yea sure I could have traded it but I wanted to get axe on merc NOW!!! WOW his dam jumped to over 2k!!!!!!!!!!!!
put hwannins on him also. I corpse is still better much more DEF. But thats Debateable.

trying out hellmouth now,
upped rattlecage cool def jumped to 488
found out that demon limb is not repairable on enchant :scratch: but limb has repair itself modifier on it. so I'm a tad confused

Merc is just amazing now!!!!!
got a +3 shad claw, jade talon (+2 shad tree) & 2 soj's.

I now put those on before I cast SM & venom (slvl 29 4 both)

makes hige difference now. but I wasted set up right so a$$ was hanede to me in players * game

BIGeyedBUG

10-04-2004, 05:27

found out that demon limb is not repairable on enchant :scratch: but limb has repair itself modifier on it. so I'm a tad confused

Sadly, charges can't be repaired on ethereal equipment.

Ritslev

10-04-2004, 11:17

...I still running around 500-1700 per blade....

There is no doubt that damage leveled around the 2k is a lot, but that may very well be your problem. Either that or you don't have enough Open Wounds.
Open Wounds works much like Prevent Monster Heal... (Not stat wise but game wise they have pratically the same effect. Where OW is a % chance to work, PMH just works every time.)

unless can relaible hit mark 2.0K+ per blade on average monsters flee will cause a problem...

Hmm.. I think you need 2.5+ k personally but your conclusion is absolutely correct.

...About souls its not entierly correct that they will stop attack under CoS.... Yes those that not in melee range will just sit duck and do nothing but those that in melee range of your merc or/and SM will use thier dread lighting attack that also carry melee attack ...

Just a few comments. You're not a melee fighter. You're a ranged fighter. While your shadow master takes some heavy hits cause she goes into melee, I don't see the consern here. Recast her out of the way.
As for your merc. I may be jaded but I don't see a problem here. Maybe cayse the gear my merc use and the high resistance he has. With 72% resist all to lightning, and 50% damage reduction he can just stand there and chop away at them. The 2.0% life leech he has in hell means that he stays alive for a long time with 5 souls around him (I took the liberty on testing this and seeing how many souls he could solo.)
He soloed 4 fine, with only 2 pots of health. While 5 I had to start and help him out.
A note on the flee. Yes it does cancel out CoS, but while fleeing they won't attack and thus you stick with that one target.

While I know Rattlecage is a controversial item in my setup like I also stated in my guide it's a matter of taste. People should though take it / leave it for the right reasons and with the correct information to base this decition on thus becomes that more vital.

:) SonOfRa

hotdogtesting

12-04-2004, 07:56

Ritslev

12-04-2004, 13:33

...Fade is much like the Summon Resist skill for Necromancers, it has a non-linear growth. The only benefit I can gather is the increased duration...
True that the duration seems like it's the only thing that changes while you spend all these points. The reason for it maxed is +skills. With +skills you will reach higher resitances. Higher resistances and not just longer duration.

..Claw Mastery seems like a much better place to stick skill points. Not only does it increase your AR but it also increases your damage...
Yes if you use a claw... point is this build doens't use a claw based weapon. Thus all Claw Mastery bonuses are lost.
Something I also point out in section 7.1 under Q&A

SonOfRa

jmervyn

12-04-2004, 17:46

Two points, I'm curious why the guide suggests 20 in Fade and 1 in Claw Mastery.

Fade is much like the Summon Resist skill for Necromancers, it has a non-linear growth. The only benefit I can gather is the increased duration.

This is not really a big deal as you can just re-cast Fade. It is pretty cheap.

Claw Mastery seems like a much better place to stick skill points. Not only does it increase your AR but it also increases your damage.

I did some testing, and there was a definite improvement with using Claw Mastery.

The benefit to Fade is also the hidden damage reduction. I haven't got a full 20 in it since I've a hybrid trapper, but since none of the claws out there have static charges it will make more sense for me.

Ra (Rah?), great guide - Angel_Veil is 88 HCL now, and I'm not even using crush or static gear yet. This build is great for HCL play too, though this doesn't seem obvious from the guide. I'm getting more mileage from the Claw Mastery at this point, but it is something I won't get much bang for the buck from in the long term.

One thing that would be nice is a bit more exposition on low- and mid-level gear, such as Strength (or Steel?) runeword claws, full Cleg's set, & so forth. Also, suggested socketing of equipment might be worth a mention... my merc has the Hwanin/Bonehew/Gaze setup right now, but it was almost dumb luck that I set it up that way. I expect to replace the Gaze with a Delerium eth death mask at some point and watch the fireworks go off.

chubbypuppy

12-04-2004, 17:58

Very interesting build. I've not tried it, but kudos to you for coming up with something different.

One question - would equiping razortail belt give piercing on the throwing stars? I don't know if it's an exception to your statement that Pierce Target doesn't work...

Frankeinstein

12-04-2004, 19:39

priece doe not work. I tried it w/ razortail a while back.

Tanatus

12-04-2004, 20:18

Oh no I did not mean say tht souls pose problem for merc or SM.... they could pose problem for me ... sadly. Reason why I said it fact that under CoS souls indeed usually sleep in herbination but only untill time something (dont really matter who) get in melee range. So worst case scenario is: you attacking pack of souls, got CoS up (...~20s hebination for most of pack or untill souldrainers proc weaken) but then you merc or/and SM engage one soul and got in melee range for 1 or 2 more then next thing happend (or could happend better say)... Soul start use dreaded combo lighting-melee attack (and 1-2 closest friends as well) onto your SM or Merc ... which is normally barely scratch em ... but if merc or SM is on same line of sight as you are then :rant: you will take pretty nasty hit as well from ranged attack (yes even under CoS). Now imagine in this moment souldrainers proc weaken ... its surviable with 23fade but take your time for retreat and repostion and recase CoS (if timer refreshed)
As for damage per blade I mean displayed damage per blade not actual...

Ritslev

12-04-2004, 20:24

...Ra (Rah?)...
Just Ra. I've always been an enthusiast for Egyptology. The Ra addition to the name is that of divinity. All my characters carry the -Ra after their name, sorta my signature if you will.

Ra'H' is the secondary Egyptian way of spelling Ra. :)

...One thing that would be nice is a bit more exposition on low- and mid-level gear, such as Strength (or Steel?) runeword claws, full Cleg's set, & so forth. ....
Hehe... In Version 1.11 sound ok?

Ritslev

12-04-2004, 20:27

...I don't know if it's an exception to your statement that Pierce Target doesn't work...

Thank you very much for your compliments that is always nice..

In section 3.4 you'll see what works and what doesn't work. This is a list complied from Naliworld, Blizzard, and personal testing.

Hope it helps.

Muffassa

12-04-2004, 20:45

Ive been playing through my Blade Fury Sin quite a bit this weekend - and let me tell you, nothing beats her at killing pvm. I have her up to high 50's low 60's soloing 8 player nightmare, and nothing can touch her. I have 20 in venom, and 20 in Shadow Master. I tend to be a minimalist when it comes to life, and I was running around with base vitality almost the whole time (~250 life) and I only died one time (trapped myself in a corner - Flayer jungle). I then pumped ~60 stat points into life, and I haven't had any more issues.

As I was preparing this person, I wanted her to be able to use Lightsaber - but as I tried it out I was disappointed that the 5% lvl 20 chain lightning never went off - then I noticed it is a "chance on attack" not "chance on striking" - so of course it wouldn't work.

Right now I am using a Chaos claw (forget what kind) and the frozen orb and charged bolt are kinda fun :) I need to find a good weapon for that rune word with static field - I figure it will double/tripple my killing speed.

I'm saving up skill/stat points until I get into hell - want a bit of flexability. I think I will probably end up putting about 10 into fade, and then a few more into Death Sentry (CE is fun).

Once again, great guide !!

Ritslev

12-04-2004, 21:15

...I'm saving up skill/stat points until I get into hell - want a bit of flexability. I think I will probably end up putting about 10 into fade, and then a few more into Death Sentry (CE is fun)....

Just keep in mind that 20 in Fade = 20 in Damage reduction which is vital in Hell Diff.

But that has already been mentioned.. just wanted to comment that 1 in DC will do but Fade 20 is vital.

Mordenkainen

13-04-2004, 05:44

Does crushing blow suffer a penalty like it does with range weapons when using BF?

Ritslev

13-04-2004, 09:42

Does crushing blow suffer a penalty like it does with range weapons when using BF?

I knew this question would eventually come, and I dreaded the day :P

To my knowledge and from my testing it does 'not' suffer from the penalty. I have though no way of verifying this, nor do I have any other proof than my word.

I have tested this the following way.
I dropped off all my gear/charms (all that gave elemental damage). All items with crushing blow I kept on :
Gore + Rattle + Guilluames.
Then I attacked without using a weapon. Yes the damage sucked, but Mephistos still lost initially a lot of life, it scaled down.
I then tried it again I beleive it was 4 times, and each time the same result.
Crushing Blow was at : 70% and that was sufficient to show that his life deduction 'looked' like it wasn't hindered with the ranged penalty.

I could very well be wrong and I could very well be mistaken and so on.. These are though my experiences, and you should make up your own mind... unless someone cna verify/deny this with a blizzard page as referance as proof.

Mordenkainen

14-04-2004, 19:26

I just did some testing of my own against Baal, wearing only a manald ring, guillaume's face, goblin's toe, and a vipermagi. No weapons, so my only means of inflicting non-negligible damage was crushing blow, and I'm pretty sure my first shuriken only removed 10% of Baal's life (as far as I could tell), so apparently the range penalty to crushing blow does apply to blade fury. Still, 10% isn't completely useless. If 10 shurikens hit with crushing blow, the enemy's life will be down to 34,87%. Items with a % chance to cast static field might be a better investment, though. Too bad there aren't many of those.

FrolfFreak

14-04-2004, 20:46

Mordenkainen

14-04-2004, 21:39

@ Mord: Presuming that you did the test on /players 1 or a one-player game, i think your results actually means that CB from BF does NOT suffer from the range penalty. From the ever-popular Arreat Summit:

Crushing Blow
This is a chance of reducing a monster's health by X% in a single blow.

-Default: 1/4th
-vs. Players: 1/10th
-vs. Hirelings: 1/10th
-vs. Champions, Uniques, Bosses: 1/8th
-with missile weapons, default: 1/8th
-with missile weapons, vs. Players: 1/20th
-with missile weapons, vs Hirelings: 1/20th
-with missile weapons, vs Champions, Uniques, Bosses: 1/16th

1/8 =~ 12.5%, 1/16 =~ 6.25%. So if it looks like you did about 10% damage, i think it means no ranged penalty for CB from BF. W00t!

-FF

Sweet! You may very well be right. I used Baal for my test because I figured with his huge amount of hit points the ~10 damage inherent to blade fury wouldn't matter, but I didn't think there was an additional penalty when BF is used against bosses! I'll do some more tests against normal baddies with lots of life, like those bulls in worldstone keep, but I think you're right!
One more reason to make a furysin!

Ritslev

14-04-2004, 22:41

-vs. Champions, Uniques, Bosses: 1/8th

When I tested vs Mephistos that was what I was looking for .. not a 25% reduction.

The reduction which Mord received at 10% sounds quite right as to what I got as well. Though the added crushing blow chance made it a bit easier
due to the higher chance.

If others whish to do testing, perhaps trying the Bloody Hills would be a nice way to test it... personally I've run in to quite a time lapse, since my wife is pregnant I have to dedicate my time to this project rather than testing the basics of a game .)

I will though keep ajour with this forum and try to keep myself updated.

FrolfFreak

14-04-2004, 22:54

Congrats on your new project, Ritslev :)

-FF

Madmartagan2002

17-04-2004, 07:27

I've been thinking about getting a cheap 3 socket claw with +1 to Blade Fury to socket Malice in, and use it as a weapon switch. I'm thinking the prevent Monster heal and open wounds will help me kill the Diablo Clone with my lighting trapper. (Hey, I don't have "uber" items and am not likely to get any, so I only do 1 to 3300 light damage.) So I am wondering if this might be a cheap way to deal with the diablo clone's massive life regeneration. (This is my problem, I can damage him but he just heals it all back). In your expierence as a Fury Assasain, will this be effective? I need to find away to kill him solo, cause I'm tired of doing most of the work and then not getting the charm. If someone has other suggestions I'm open to them.

How does Prevent Monster Heal work anyway? Is there a timer? Is it reset every time I hit him? Will the effect be erased when my traps hit?

Ritslev

17-04-2004, 10:54

...I've been thinking about getting a cheap 3 socket claw with +1 to Blade Fury to socket Malice in, and use it as a weapon switch...
Instead of getting a cheap one.. I would suggest you found a :
+3 trap (or +3 lightning sentry)
+1 blade fury
and used that with malice.

You see on your switch you should have an LOWER RESIST wand. That will help you greatly with all Lightning Immunes as well as Diablo Über

... How does Prevent Monster Heal work anyway? Is there a timer? Is it reset every time I hit him? Will the effect be erased when my traps hit?
To my knowledge. This is how PMH works.
The damage you do with the attack is that which is not able to be healed. It is not on a timer like poison, but works from blow to blow like crushing/critical blow.
Example :
You do 50 damage with your BF and 3000 with your Lightning trap.
50 of that isn't able to be healed, while the 3k is.
I hope this helps.

If you don't want such a stat, instead of PMH, look for 100% open wounds. You see that has a timer. That will also prevent the other damage from being healed, simply cause instead of healing the damage it will bleed form the monster. BUT! Only as long as you keep re-effectuating the OW.

Again Malice has both stats, so Malice is a good choice. Just know that Malice will not be a huge Boss killer, since the real stat for Boss Killing is Crushing Blow. With that in mind.

Personally I think I'll try and go look for that 3 socketed claw with +1 BF + 3T... cause it would be a nice addition to my Trapper, just an added momentum to her arcenal. A really good idea. Since the +3 LS/+3 TRAP I've been looking for just hasn't shown itself lately.

Frankeinstein

17-04-2004, 15:10

I would suggest you found a :
+3 trap (or +3 lightning sentry)
+1 blade fury
and used that with malice.

You see on your switch you should have an LOWER RESIST wand. That will help you greatly with all Lightning Immunes as well as Diablo Über

Personally I think I'll try and go look for that 3 socketed claw with +1 BF + 3T... cause it would be a nice addition to my Trapper, just an added momentum to her arcenal. A really good idea. Since the +3 LS/+3 TRAP I've been looking for just hasn't shown itself lately.

I have such claw. +3 trap/+3 Ls/+1 DF/+2 BoI but it is not socketed. Would it be possible to get 3 sockets on it from socket quest or from cube recipes. I have never tried to do that before on a magic item. I have only tried to socket unquies like harly & skulders.

I also have several +3 traps claws & +3 shadow claws... I've been collecting them. The MA claws I have tossed cause I think bartucs & nats are better than what I have found.
But I keep shad & trap claws. I wish I could get my hands on a 1.08 bartucs (+2 shad skills)

BTW so a +3 Ls claw is a good find too? I tossed one cause I thought my +3 trap claw was better (opps)

Madmartagan2002

17-04-2004, 22:36

Dang- I was hoping the Prevent Monster Heal would prevent the D-Clone from healing from my lighting traps... it looked like that was what happened when my Merc (who has PMH) hit him- the problem is after a few seconds the D-Clone eats my Merc.

I thought only magic claws got +3 to skill trees- and therefor no runewords.

I might still try it if I find a claw... the open wounds should help at least. Thanks for the idea of a lower resist charged wand though. Good Idea.

Geralcik

18-04-2004, 02:34

Nice guide :)
What do you think about the following modification: more strength, ethereal stone crusher/schaeffer/stormlash, steelrend and, say, natalya's armor with 3 ed jewels, also an ed jewel in guilames (or two in giant skull) ? This could potentially increase your physical damage by a whopping 260% ! Well, actually only the 3/4 of the weapon dmg, but it's still massive. The 'way of crushing blow' is probably better in 1ppl, but in crowded games the 'real' damage could be more important then the scaled crushing...
My 2 cents :)

Ritslev

18-04-2004, 11:36

...More strength, ethereal stone crusher/schaeffer/stormlash, steelrend...
As long as you have a weapon, one-handed that deals out the damage you feel is suffiecient then that is fine. With those you mention let me just mention those.
Stormlash (If etheral) - I'd die to have such a weapon.
Schaeffers - A great weapon, but with a too high Strength requirement in my mind. You could use this weapon if you switched Rattlecage for an Enigma armor, but otherwise I'd not put more stats into Strength since the damage isn't changed much.
Stone Crusher - Great Crushing Blow, and defencive deduction to monster, but otherwise it's damage isn't that great..
Steelrend - Errr.. I haven't been able to find that one..

...natalya's armor with 3 ed jewels, also an ed jewel in guilames (or two in giant skull)? This could potentially increase your physical damage by a whopping 260% ! Well, actually only the 3/4 of the weapon dmg, but it's still massive...
ED works great with characters such as the barbarian, paladin, amazon, melee assasin. Cause they have skills with add to the % damage. The blade fury assasin (who doesn't use a claw and thus not claw mastery) doesn't have that luxury.

ED is a great mod. Elemental damage in the case of the Fury Sin is the kicker. For that reason I'd suggest Facets. Depending on what weapon you use, Lightning or Poison. So assuming you'll be using Nats armor and not Rattlecage.

For those fortunate enough to have Stormlash or a Cresent Moon Runeword a 3 Facet Nats armor, with a Facet in Guilluames face, would give close to 20% lower resistance. The 260% has the 3/4 cut, so does the elemental damage, but the lower resist doesn't have it. Thus you utilize the facet 95% (see the 1-78 lightning damage has a 3/4 cut, and thus you loose 5% of the facet hehe) where as the ED loose 25%, leaving you with only 75% utilized. Not a lot, but if you factor in their effect on charms there is a large difference. The damage output is larger with a facet. Also the Facets makes Static more effective. A big and important point to remember.

For those with a weapon wihtout lightning damage and static. 3 Psn facets are the way to go, to boost your Venom skill.

While yes Crushing Blow is scaled in multi player games, it's not 'just' crushing blow you rely on here. It's the elemental damage. The physical damage is hard to get and while, yes, ED jewels are a good source they are also your only source really. The reason for not choosing ED is also that you won't have -enough- ED to make charms like MAX damage give a lot of damage.

ED of 260% is a bit I agree, but it's not really much compared to the 500% a Barb can have for example ... If you have a 3/xx/xx that will be :
260% * 3 * 0,75 = 8 (A Blade Fury Sin)
260% * 3 = 10,1 (11) (Any other character without ED%)

Now while 3 more or less in damage doesn't sound like much how about having 30 of those in your stash. Then we're talking 90 more in damage. While we're at it what respectable Barb only has 260%.. a Barb for example would have closer to 500%
500% * 3 = 18..... a difference of 540.

The point is ED from jewels will be your sole source of ED. For thise reason they won't have enough impact on other items such as charms.
Facets will though.

Yes Facets are also more expensive, but still.....

SonOfRa

Geralcik

18-04-2004, 13:49

Actually, I didn't take into consideration the fact that ed from jewels applies to damage charms. I was more into: say, eth unique mallet 350 avg dmg, 260ed adding... and now it gets tricky, after I thought about it a bit more I realised it would be adding more or less 210 dmg (correct ?). Nice, but I can see that elemental damage will be more rewarding.

To clear things up though: ed jewels add relatively more when you don't have ed from elsewhere. Say you have a weapon with base avg dmg 83 and 500ed makes it 498 dmg. Additional 40ed gives you 33 dmg. Increase from 498 to 498+33=531 isn't great, whereas from 83 to 116 is IMO. (Is this correct ? I mean, ed applies to base weapon damage, doesn't it ?)

Another thing is, in hardcore, I'd probably be more willing to use sockets for offense and stick to life charms (thus going the physical damage way) than to load up on elemental charms and socket facets, having significantly less life. This would need to be calculated though to show trade-offs between those two setups. Come to think of it, it is quite possible that the latter will be better even in hc, since you'll have about 40 more points in vitality..

Oh well, turned out to be a long post, thx for reading :)

[cK]Extreme

18-04-2004, 15:48

What doesn't work
-Chance to cast on Attacking

Incorrect. I've used Blade Fury many times while having chaos/draculs equiped, and I can confirm both frozen orb and life tap have been shot off while using it. :scratch:

Ritslev

18-04-2004, 19:06

Extreme']...Incorrect. I've used Blade Fury many times while having chaos/draculs equiped, and I can confirm both frozen orb and life tap have been shot off...

Chaos
--9% Chance To Cast Level 11 Frozen Orb On STRIKING--
11% Chance To Cast Level 9 Charged Bolt On Striking
+35% Increased Attacked Speed
+240-290% Enhanced Damage (varies)
Adds 216-471 Magic Damage
25% Chance of Open Wounds
+1 To Whirlwind
+10 To Strength
+15 Life After Each Demon Kill

Draculs
+(90-120)% Enhanced Defense
(7-10)% Life stolen per hit
25% Chance of Open Wounds
--5% Chance to cast level 10 Life Tap on STRIKING--
+(5-10) Life After Each Kill
+(10-15) to Strength

I'm not incorrect. I wish I was.. but I'm not.

There is no chance to ATTACK on the Chaos Rune Word nor on the Gloves.. -BOTH- have on STRIKING.

... as the thread I posted reads :

What works
-Chance to cast on Striking
What doesn't work
-Chance to cast on Attacking

There is your answer...

SonOfRa

jmervyn

19-04-2004, 15:09

I'm not incorrect. I wish I was.. but I'm not.

Seconded. I had some chain lightning rings in pre-40's and was deluded by the SM elemental strikes into thinking they worked. :rant:

As for the Malice runeword, don't underestimate the value of these lowbie weapons. At 88, Angel_Veil is still using an eth Strength with +3 LS and +1 DS - I'm sure I can find better in the long run, but the damage is better than the Bartuc on the other hand (as long as I'm holding both). I have to weapon switch if I move either claw, just to make sure the mods are stacked right.

Tanatus

19-04-2004, 20:03

About damage enchacing as a furysin - its an intersting topic to discuss. I am fortunate enouth to have 294% Stormlash / 2Pdiamond moser offhand and have on a switch razor edge/lancestop (which give me near 100% open wounds and near 100% critical strike in conjustion with my other gear). Lvl 23 venom add to your attack +~400 poison damage every blade that hit target plus I have some elemetal damage from 3/20/el. damage charms. After toughts how one can bump up damage I came to conclusion that there is at least 2 diametral opposite ways of doing so....
Ritslevm suggested go all into elemental damage (lighting) in conjustion with faced that will lower corresponding resistances - thats a good one...
There is one more way around but it requied slight adjustment of gear namely you need get your critical strike close to 100% (instead of crushing blow) and I'll explain why here later. In conjustion with high crit strike you will use open wounds (you dont really need to max this one because it take anyway 8 second before "open wound" will do full damage and with your firing rate ... I'd say ~25-30% is good enouth number) as well as any possible ED things you can came across. This will cause huge Physical damage and due to open wounds/venom you will have enouth damage to deal with PI monsters .... specially like black souls (immune lighting and poison ....).
Correct me if I am wrong but 200% ID is more 2X damage of 100%ID right? )294% ID of scourge = 316 damage with base damage of 80 which is nearby 4X coefficient so socketing Eth Stormlash with Ohm is probably "Dream Weapon" for any furysins. As a such socketing Nats armor with 2-3 40ED jewels preferebly with + min damage and socketing Guilliame face with 1 more 40ED (+50% ID via Ohm on weapon) will add like ~210%ID (3X current damage if not more then that due to none linear progression of ID). Toss here ~100% critical strike and will be talking about ~6K physical damage per blade...

Ritslev

20-04-2004, 08:21

.... will add like ~210%ID (3X current damage if not more then that due to none linear progression of ID). Toss here ~100% critical strike and will be talking about ~6K physical damage per blade...

ED is added to the base damage of the weapon not the total damage, for this reason you won't have as high max damage in the end. Your post is though correct on the route, and it could work.

Critical Strike... godly. It could very well be exploited a bit more than I have in my build, quite easily too.

SonOfRa

Tanatus

20-04-2004, 18:51

I came accross Razor edge in my MF sessions with my sorc and noted very high average damage of this weapon along with some insane secondary modes like 50% open wounds and 50% deadly strike plus! -33% target defence per hit which mean once you hit your target third time AC=0 and every next blade will hit with lancestop (20% deadly strike) and highlord wraith (35+ deadly strike)
It have 105 base average physical damage vs. 165 on stormlash but with right gear assure that you always do 2X damage of displayed and always have "open wound" running in background. While ingnore target defence not working on bosses/champions -% of defence work and as a such combination of razor edge/lancestop looks for me as a perfect switch for pack of champs/boss mobs. Major drawback is absence of Static Field and if you try use this combo on regular pack of mobs you'll notice drop efficiency compare to stormlash right away

Frankeinstein

20-04-2004, 19:42

Razors edge... got one on one of my mules, I keep moving it around & for some reason never got around to trying it on my Furysin. I guess I got used to using the Gimmershed cause of all the elemental damge it does.

Well made a BIG Trade last night... got my SOUL DRAINERS finally!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cost me but I don't think too bad, got trangs gloves w/ them in the deal So it doesn't hurt too much.

Haven't had a chance to try them out yet, Been wearing 38% chancies in the mean time. but now I want to start doing hell BAAl runs... (well slow careful walk-thrus... :creep:

Oh BTW, I lvld up to 85 now. Added extra pts to FB for more strikes in DS. :thumbsup:

YomoKimyata

21-04-2004, 01:08

Ritslev

21-04-2004, 09:31

sorry to ask this question since this thread is so long, but a find search did not turn up the answer to my question -- if you are dual wielding claws, how does that factor into the equation? does damage a[pply from only one claw, do you get mods from both claws, etc.?

That is perfectly ok.

Duel yeilding claws and blade fury... You only get the benefits from one claw. That means the first claw you place into its slot will be the claw from which damage is caculated. The second claw will only be granting you resistances... all elemental damage. all physical damage. all chance to cast on striking and so on is lost...

Duel yeilding claws is great for Weapon Block, it does though loose a lot of great mods from your second claw.

Once again :
You only get the 'mods' from the first claw.
On the second claw you do get the resistance if it provides such.
You get the benefit of weapon block.

(By mods I mean damage/elemental damage/slow/on striking/physical and magical damage and so on and so on.)

SonOfRa

sheepe2004

30-04-2004, 20:35

does enchant not add fire dmg as well as the AR?

Frankeinstein

30-04-2004, 23:30

does enchant not add fire dmg as well as the AR?

YES it does. Demon limb is great for that

Frankeinstein

03-05-2004, 21:18

Well I started building Qeznart_too this weekend. She is at lvl 19 now so I have BF again.
Qez 1 met with a untimely death... my stupidity (opps) & got deleted by accident. So All that GOOD gear is gone. So I started from scratch again.

But I got some great stuff for her when she lvls up already. Traded a COW King hat for a demon limb. Hat was worthless to me but that DEMON Limb... Loved that when I had one before.

Using a rare falchion w/ AR & other mods & Umbral shield. But hit blinds target does not seem to work w/ BF. I hit em normally with sword, blinds them almost every time... any thoughts?

thereddart

06-05-2004, 04:46

Hi,

I've been following this build this it was first posted. It sounded like fun to play so I made this my very first char in Diablo II. It's been hard to get the equipment since I had nothing for trade, but like Ritslev says getting the equipment is part of the fun. I have most of the equipment now still need carrion wind ring and a stormlash. :lol: I am now lvl 77 and love playing this build. I have one question though, sorry if it's been answered somewhere but I haven't been able to figure out how to add sockets to my equipment.

Ohh and Frankenstein I have some equipment for you if you want it.
USWest
*Duaner

Ritslev

06-05-2004, 08:41

...I've been following this build this it was first posted. It sounded like fun to play so I made this my very first char in Diablo II
This was the exact reason why I started on this build. I initially started on a Barb but lacked adversity. Then moved on to the Amazon but found her limited. The Sorc was out since she too quickly became one of the cookie cutter builds, and since I never got to the Pala nor Druid... the Assasin became my character of choice... I have 4 of them now (out of 5 characters)... and my favorite is still the FurySin.

...It's been hard to get the equipment since I had nothing for trade...
You're very right that equipment is part of the hunt, once you have it though it's a blast... part of this build though is the fact that it works with pratically anything in the beginning. It's the higher levels that makes it more equipment dependent.

...it's been answered somewhere but I haven't been able to figure out how to add sockets to my equipment.
But you did write cause you needed something.. so here is your answer :
1 Ral Rune + 1 Amn Rune + 1 Perfect Amethyst + Normal Weapon = Socketed Weapon of same type
1 Tal Rune + 1 Thul Rune + 1 Perfect Topaz + Normal Body Armor = Socketed Body Armor of same type
1 Ral Rune + 1 Thul Rune + 1 Perfect Sapphire + Normal Helm = Socketed Helm of same type
1 Tal Rune + 1 Amn Rune + 1 Perfect Ruby + Normal Shield = Socketed Shield of same type
These works on all non magical weapons. (Etheral too but NOT those of higher or lower quality ... only normal quality.)
3 Perfect Skulls + 1 Rare Item + Stone of Jordan = Add 1 Socket To a Rare Item
That and of course the Socket Quest in act 5
are the ways to get sockets into your gear.
...Ohh and Frankenstein I have some equipment for you if you want it.
That is nice of you... when someone has been as unfortunate as Franky... two thumbs up from me.

thereddart

08-05-2004, 18:54

Hey Ritslev I just noticed I never thanked you for the awesome guide. Good work. :clap: I managed to get my hands on a crescent moon cryptic blade not ethereal but oh well. But I can't use it my dex is to low. So I was wondering where you got the dex for your char to use it. I have a ravenfrost with 19 to dex. Do I need to look for dex charms or something. Thanks.

Ritslev

08-05-2004, 19:06

...I never thanked you for the awesome guide. Good work...
THank you.. and you're most welcome!
..I managed to get my hands on a crescent moon cryptic blade not ethereal but oh well....you got the dex for your char to use it. I have a ravenfrost with 19 to dex.....
My Eth Cryp Sword has dex 99 requirement.. with the items I use I have dex :
118... so I do manage... I get dex from :
Raven (18)
Siggard (25)

I hope that helps U

MaDNielss

08-05-2004, 22:35

I dont see Stonecrusher being mentioned as a good option for weaponchoice.

40 % crushing
high damage
-100 monsterdef pr. hit

- The best part - I've got it as an eth. :)
Wouldn't that be a good choice?

BiltartThe Clorn

10-05-2004, 04:54

Anyone who has played as one suspects that there is a hidden AR increase to levels of Blade Fury. In other words a level 10 Blade Fury will hit much more often than a level one will. I have never seen this confirmed anywhere but I highly suspect it is true. The extra damage also seems to be modified by strength and dexterity . I would say maxing Blade Fury is a MUST for this build.
Venom just does not seem to be all that good of a skill to me. Open wounds is far superior. For those of you PvM you can't do worse than the malice runeword, the most underrated of all time.Nothing is more than half immune to it. Coupled with the knockback from Cleglaws Pincers(the best glove for a furysin), it is devastating to enemies. Cleglaws set is pretty good for a furysin though the entire game. Make sure to have at least one cold charm too.
Your build is viable but there is such a thing as too much life. Just put all your points in vitality and see how far you get. The last one I played I put 2 in strength, 2 in dexterity, and one in vitality each level. She ended up doing sick damage with a claw. If you go the claw route you have to max mastery too.Take the points out of venom.

gezzap

10-05-2004, 06:48

Hiya,

thanks for the build guide. I actually stumbled across this build when I saw how my young son was having fun with the Blade sentinal and Blade fury so I thought I would give it a go myself, did some reasearch , and found your excellent guide. However as a variant I am going the max fire trap route with death sentry.

3 Question on weapons

The Famine runeword (in an Eth Legendary Hammer) doesnt seem to rate a mention - it seems to fit the criteria for the build - is there something inappropriate about it?

Also Schaefer's Hammer - newbie q here - it is indestructable so does that mean that it would never be available as an Ethereal weapon? I saw that someone else suggested one of these as a weapon.

The Cresent moon - why not use that in an Eth Mythical sword - which by default you will get a default of the 3 sockets u need if you use a socketing quest to socket it. It may not have the same Max damage of the cryptic but it's average damage is higher.

Personally I have ready for this build the following two weapons to try out - as I have no other use for them:

Ethereal Baranar's Star
Ethereal Messerschmidt's Reaver that I found oneday off Pindle. (I realise it will suffer a further penalty being a 2 handed weapon)

I plan to get my strength up into the 200+ zone as I want this character to have some freedom of choice with armour and weapons.

In addition I am trying the avenue of a Blessed Aim Merc to help with AR - and maybe oneday I will be rich enough to make a Doom Weapon for him. I have some awesome weapons for him to use too - for instance an Ethereal Spire of Honor lance that has him doing a max damage of over 2000 at level 40, an Ethereal Ariocs needle for later and most of the Unique Polearms that are available.

Ritslev

10-05-2004, 10:06

...Anyone who has played as one suspects that there is a hidden AR increase to levels of Blade Fury...
I have been looking into this exact thought for a long time,m and can not confirm nor deny its existance. While I do hope it's correct I can't prove it. My thoughts are that if attacks such as Dragon Claw, and Dragon Kick and so on gets attack rating, why shouldn't the sentinel skills as well.
Some will aruge that they are traps, but the main rebuttal to this is that : Traps auto aim. Auto shoot. None of the Blade skills do this. Yes I even think Blade Shield isn't auto. .. But that is another debate. Maxing Blade Fury though... well I'm personally torn. In my build you will eventually have it at close to 15.. that is close enough for me ...
..Venom just does not seem to be all that good of a skill to me. Open wounds is far superior....
Yes Open Wounds is Cool. You won't though be able to get withthe build I created 100% open wounds. Thus to get 100% open wounds you need to change out some of the gear, which will mean (in my mind) weakening the build. So that is why I use a Combo of low Open wounds and poison damage. I still think that +300 damage is quite a bit, but that is just me.
...Your build is viable but there is such a thing as too much life...
While yes there is such a thing as too much life. I don't beleive that you're getting the point really. You keep mentioning claws. I've stated in my build and I will do so again.

-Claws are 'not' the best weapon for a blade fury assasin-
(See build for arguements)

You have some good ideas, as well on gear, but any time I can have 83% Damage Reduction compared to 50% damage reduction and knockback.. Then I will take the Damage reduction ... you see Knock Back will work with every blow, pushing your high life monster out of range. It is far worse than the 'Flee' from Rattle Cage. The flee off rattlecage will be enough that you can kill monsters in 8 player games while they run away... if you have close to 2.5 k damage. While with knock back .. well you'll find yourself chasing too much.

I hope this explains a little of why I choose as I did.

Ritslev

10-05-2004, 10:15

..However as a variant I am going the max fire trap route with death sentry....
That is a good idea.. Franky mentioned it in an earlier thread and I agreed with him then and I do with you now. It is a good route to play. Personally I choose though to leave the Blast at 1.. and pump my Blade Fury instead.
The Famine runeword (in an Eth Legendary Hammer) doesnt seem to rate a mention - it seems to fit the criteria for the build - is there something inappropriate about it?..
Famine is a good runeword. .. hands down though in hell with 7 other players you'll find yourself in big trouble. It just doesn't pump out enough damage ... for though all your normal and nightmare experience it's cool. I haven't included all the weapons you can/could use, only those I have personally tested, and thus can vouch for.
Also Schaefer's Hammer - newbie q here - it is indestructable so does that mean that it would never be available as an Ethereal weapon? I saw that someone else suggested one of these as a weapon...
Schaeffers do come in Etheral. I have seen and tested it. Nice, but too high STR requirement. Schaeffers is like a low grade Stormlash. Stormlash is only better due to the Crushing Blow and Elemental damage it provides. The reason for th eElemental damage is the Facets I've opted to use.
The Cresent moon - why not use that in an Eth Mythical sword - which by default you will get a default of the 3 sockets u need if you use a socketing quest to socket it. It may not have the same Max damage of the cryptic but it's average damage is higher....
The Mythical vs the Cryptic. Yes by all means do choose a Mythical .. if you like a higher minimum damage and lower maximum damage. The average damage is about the same. Look though at the Axes too. Beserker and so on. The reason I choose the Cyptic is due to the Deadly Strike damage I do. Higher max damage is in my book -always- a preferance IF you have a huge attack speed.
..I plan to get my strength up into the 200+ zone as I want this character to have some freedom of choice with armour and weapons.....
Heh 200's... Well I'd suggest instead, if yo'ure rich, putting on an Enigma Armor. Just to see how things turn out befor investing the points.

In all accounts, let me know how it turns out.
SonOfRa

jash57

10-05-2004, 14:11

confused on Crushing Blow:

its 25% off max hp? or remaining hp?
also, affected by phys resist?

btw, ever test BoTD zerk with this? the nova isn't that great though. prolly nerfs your venom strat too.

edit: eth also viable in socket? jah expensive...

Frenzied Bovine

10-05-2004, 17:24

^^ Poison Nova is unaffected by Venom and vice versa. I checked that a long time ago. PN is a spell, Venom affects Poison damage on weapons.

CB always subtracts from the remaining hitpoints. So you never actually kill a monster with CB, you just keep shrinking it's life down smaller and smaller.

What I want to know is:

Has anyone tried Azurewrath?? Fast weapon (ideal if you want to combine kicks with blade fury), adds ridiculous amounts of elemental damages, and Sanctuary aura enables you to ignore the physical resistance stat of undead.

I am considering a blade fury/kicker built around Azurewrath. Gloves would be Lava Gout, for the Enchant on striking. My merc would be Might with Reaper's Toll.

Tanatus

11-05-2004, 00:12

BF have fixed attack speed 8FPA not affected by IAS.
BF dont have hidden AR bonus unfortunally and as such pumping it up pointless instead get higher dextr which will allow you kill 2 birds with 1 stone (max block and AR up).
To overcome fairly low AR of this built (~2K AR as a base) furysin have many ways - first is CoS (-3% enemy defence per lvl with maxed CoS and lot shadow skillers you can get enemy defence -95%) second is weapons with -% of enemy defence so use on a switch weapons like razor edge (50% deadly strike, 50% OW, -33% enemy deffence per hit) - 3 hits of this weapon will drop enemy deffence to none existant lvl. Lastly for all monster but bosses/champ you can use weapon with ITD mode (Jah)
Venom btw is one the main weapons for this built its virtually irresisable 400 points of poison damage per blade get some poison facets and you'll become cusinatre

Frenzied Bovine

11-05-2004, 05:04

Razor's edge is actually -33% target's defense, which is different to -enemy def per hit.

Every hit is caluclated with enemies having an effective defense of 77% of the norm. There is no successive decrease of defense.

goneil

11-05-2004, 20:22

1 question: The guide says chance to cast on attack items dont work with blade fury. Then why is hwanins and stormlashes chance to cast static emphasized?

Ritslev

11-05-2004, 21:09

1 question: The guide says chance to cast on attack items dont work with blade fury. Then why is hwanins and stormlashes chance to cast static emphasized?

3.4 What works.. what doesn’t?
Things to remember is that almost anything works with blade Fury (ALMOST)… Here is a list :
What works
-Ignore Target Defense
-Deadly Strike/Critical Strike from CM
-Crushing Blow
-Hit Causes Monster to Flee
-Knockback
-CHANCE TO CAST ON STRIKING
-Hit Freezes Target
-Elemental Damage/Venom (3/4)
-Leech
-Open Wounds
-Hit Blinds Target
-Prevent Monster Heal
-Hit Slows Target
-Physical/Weapon Damage (3/4)

What doesn't work
-CHANCE TO CAST ON ATTACKING
-Pierce Target

Cause there is a difference between attacking and striking. A difference which is very small but which makes a large difference.

PsychoticEwok1

12-05-2004, 00:30

BF have fixed attack speed 8FPA not affected by IAS.
BF dont have hidden AR bonus unfortunally and as such pumping it up pointless instead get higher dextr which will allow you kill 2 birds with 1 stone (max block and AR up).

ummm... skill points and stat points are two totally different things. you cant save skill points to pump up stats and you cant save stat points to pump skills. so you could pump dex AND BF, but i prefer to pump SM and DS, etc.

im lookin for a 3 socket ethereal superior berzerker axe, cryptic sword, or mythical sword. crescent moon rulez.

btw, does stormlash have %chance to cast static? cuz it seems like in the guide it did, but everwhere i look it doesnt.

Ritslev

13-05-2004, 13:05

...btw, does stormlash have %chance to cast static? cuz it seems like in the guide it did, but everwhere i look it doesnt..

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/umaces.shtml

microlab

13-05-2004, 16:42

i follow your guide but with dragon talon instead, it just work excellent(kill baal in 18 sec), and has no ar problem, since my *** has 9500ar, anyway, thank you very much for your excellent guide.

Frenzied Bovine

13-05-2004, 17:10

1 question: The guide says chance to cast on attack items dont work with blade fury. Then why is hwanins and stormlashes chance to cast static emphasized?

Chance to cast on striking and chance to cast on attacking are two very different things. Lightsabre has the latter. Stormlash has the former. Carrion Wind has the former. Etc.

"On Striking" works with Blade Fury. "On Attacking" does not.

Diabloii.net items page is horribly out of date now. The Arreat Summit (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp) is THE best place for item stats, but it sometimes uses On Striking and On Attacking interchangably, when in reality the difference can be quite crucial. I think they fixed a lot of the striking/attacking confusion on AS, but some might still remain.

goneil

13-05-2004, 18:28

Chance to cast on striking and chance to cast on attacking are two very different things. Lightsabre has the latter. Stormlash has the former. Carrion Wind has the former. Etc.

"On Striking" works with Blade Fury. "On Attacking" does not.

Diabloii.net items page is horribly out of date now. The Arreat Summit (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp) is THE best place for item stats, but it sometimes uses On Striking and On Attacking interchangably, when in reality the difference can be quite crucial. I think they fixed a lot of the striking/attacking confusion on AS, but some might still remain.

I had forgoten that there is chance to cast on striking, as well as attacking. Its kinda funny that "on striking" works with blade fury, when you arent actually striking anything, just throwing, which would actually be attacking.

Frenzied Bovine

13-05-2004, 18:32

It's when the blades strike that the effect goes off.

Want to be really confused? On Attacking works with Blade Shield, but On Striking does not. :eek:

goneil

13-05-2004, 19:08

So whats the main difference between striking and attacking? Can you shift- swing and cast stuff? Cause technically you would be attacking. Whereas with chance to cast on sriking you only get the chance if you actually hit them? Also, are casted or ranged skills/spells counted as an attack? This is way more complicated then it should be. Good ol' blizzard.

Naliworld

14-05-2004, 10:22

Just a note: The guide post has been moved into the Guide topic (http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?p=1722542#post1722542) while awaiting submission into the Strategy Compendium.

Ritslev: If you wish to make any final updates to your guide before submission into the Compendium, please PM me.

Frankeinstein

14-05-2004, 19:49

^^ Poison Nova is unaffected by Venom and vice versa. I checked that a long time ago. PN is a spell, Venom affects Poison damage on weapons.
Gloves would be Lava Gout, for the Enchant on striking.

So you are saying If I could afford BoTD, Venom & PN will work together??!! :scratch:

Then what about Lava Gout & Demon Limb???

I found that one of the best weapons I used was a Gimmershred. Lots of elemental damage... not sure if it was more than a B-star but it really kicked butt w/ enchant & venom on... :thumbsup:

Ritslev

15-05-2004, 14:04

...Ritslev: If you wish to make any final updates to your guide before submission into the Compendium, please PM me...

Nali, that is a great honor... I do ask though that you give me a week to make changes/edit...

ATM I'm recovering froma shoulder operation, due to three broken ligaments, so my typing skills are bad. My attention span due to medication/pain releif is very short...

Thank you.
SonOfRa

chien

15-05-2004, 17:47

Dose Trang Set glove increase venom damamge ,too?

Frankeinstein

17-05-2004, 19:51

Well Qeznart_too reached lvl 45 yesterday. Got to put on Raven Frost Boy did that help AR.
Using Moonfall/Umbral as main attack, Hexfire/boneshield W/ good resists for switch.
Blind target form Umbral is now working

Traded for a bonehew for merc for later on...got a 22%ed/-15rq/attacker takes damage of 5 jewel for it so as not to worry about str req...

Its getting better again.
Oh yea got rattle cage & goblin toes going right now

I guess i should give the list:
Najs circlet
AR & mana ammy
rattlecage
goblin toes
umbral shiled
blue bone shield w/ resists (179 def)
hexfire
moonfall
raven frost
mandral heal
hwainn's belt

:thumbsup:

PsychoticEwok1

17-05-2004, 23:04

NEW FURYSIN ARMOR!!!!!!! i have seen a screenshot of it in the paladin forums, under the topic entitled "New runeword?"

its is called "Duress."

it includes 15% crushing blow, 33% open wounds, 45% cold resist, 15% lightning, fire, and poison resist, -20% stamina drain, and 37-133 cold damage.

plus, you can put it in whatever armor one should choose, to allow for much higher defense than upped rattlecage for on AND off ladder, and more tweaking.

this is simply uber. plus, the only mildly expensive thing is the UM rune. the recipe is Shael Um Thul.

can anyone confirm this in game, with a screenshot with the blue "timestamp" thing bnet gives u wen u log on? (It is now XX:XX o clock and there are XX players playing XX games on battle.net)

in the pally forum thread, there are several "hidden" runewords for ONLY bnet. there are some testers trying stuff out.

Ritslev, if this works, i suggest you edit your furysin guide to include at least a suggestion of this armor.

heres a screenshot (http://www.pix8.net/getimg.php?img=duress.JPG)

also, check out the pally forum thread for more "new" runewords here. (http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=189557)

also, cowtestickles gave this link to some old supposedly disabled runewords. if you have runes to test with, i suggest starting here (http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=189557). (try the helm ones first cuz the helm runewords are terrible!)

im also posting this in a separate thread, i want people to know and test. think of all the future builds that may be possible!

IM ECSTATIC!

Frankeinstein

18-05-2004, 01:47

Hmmmm, That might work. I liked the def & str req for that piece shown. :thumbsup:

Naliworld

18-05-2004, 09:20

Nali, that is a great honor... I do ask though that you give me a week to make changes/edit...

ATM I'm recovering froma shoulder operation, due to three broken ligaments, so my typing skills are bad. My attention span due to medication/pain releif is very short...

Thank you.
SonOfRa

Sorry to hear that, SonOfRa. Hope you get well soon. :thumbsup: Go ahead and take your time updating the guide, there's no urgent rush. Post in this thread or PM me once you're done.

Ritslev

18-05-2004, 14:18

... "New runeword?"

its is called "Duress."...

That is definately the armor for the Furysin.. I have though at this time not seen it ... nor have I been able to find anyone whom has it on Bnet..

I'd love to hear though from someone whom has this armor, about their experiences with it.. and what part of the they play (Single player? Bnet? Ladder etc)

---EDIT---

I went ahead and got Um rune.. got 3 socket armor... and got the other runes... I tested the runeword and.....

IT WORKS!!! ...

Note .. GUIDE ARMOR:... DURESS!

Many thanks to PSY-EWOK

This is what I got my hands on.. :
SHAEL - UM - THUL
Duress Dusk Shroud
Defence 1138
+171% Enhanced Defense
40% faster hit Recovery
+15% Fire Resistance
+45% Cold Resistance
+15% Lightning Resistance
+15% Poison Resistance
+20% Enhanced Damage
+37-133 Cold Damage
+15% Crushing Blow
+33% Open Wounds
-20% Slower Stamina Drain
+15% Maximum Durability
That is just awesome

TheRealVertical

18-05-2004, 17:20

I was just about to say, this would be great for the Furysin.

As soon as I get my hands on Stormlash, I'm converting my assassin from a trapper to a fury-sin. I won't have all the venom points, but everything else will be there, and I'll have all the proper gear.

Nice.

Frankeinstein

18-05-2004, 19:42

WOW THATS GREAT!!!

I had an awesome night of trading last night too. Got a Tals ammy... Now I want to trade that for something my BFASSY needs...

raphiel20

18-05-2004, 19:53

Sorry to hear about your injury but you seemed happy enough about the new armour today when we spoke :lol:
Its good to hear that this guide is going into the compodeum (sorry about spelling if its wrong :lol: ). get well soon and talk l8rz

:howdy:

raph

TheRealVertical

19-05-2004, 22:30

So what's a good AR to shoot for? I've been a trapper for so long, I've never had to worry about it. If I go the dexterity route, how much am I going to need to be effective in Hell?

PsychoticEwok1

19-05-2004, 23:06

That is definately the armor for the Furysin.. I have though at this time not seen it ... nor have I been able to find anyone whom has it on Bnet..

I'd love to hear though from someone whom has this armor, about their experiences with it.. and what part of the they play (Single player? Bnet? Ladder etc)

---EDIT---

I went ahead and got Um rune.. got 3 socket armor... and got the other runes... I tested the runeword and.....

IT WORKS!!! ...

Note .. GUIDE ARMOR:... DURESS!

Many thanks to PSY-EWOK

This is what I got my hands on.. :
SHAEL - UM - THUL
Duress Dusk Shroud
Defence 1138
+171% Enhanced Defense
40% faster hit Recovery
+15% Fire Resistance
+45% Cold Resistance
+15% Lightning Resistance
+15% Poison Resistance
+20% Enhanced Damage
+37-133 Cold Damage
+15% Crushing Blow
+33% Open Wounds
-20% Slower Stamina Drain
+15% Maximum Durability
That is just awesome

yay im in a guide! it has 10% less CB and not monster flee, but with a 6 frame atk that doesnt matter much. plus the OW and ED and cold damage and resist more than make up for it.

sucks about the shoulder, ritslev

u know, its actually much harder to get a rattlecage than you think. everyone throws em out. those that dont throw em out either cant find em or are so poor they want your arm and leg for em. and i get bored to tears MFing normal baal.

thank you bnet for making the best character ever even better.

i was looking at some item sites (the d2 tomb of knowledge) and i looked up stormlash - it doesnt have static! instead it has %chance to cast tornado. is this a typo on the site or is stormlash actually... not as good as i thought? or does it have tornado AND static?

USEAST SC NL
BeaverCheese

Ritslev

20-05-2004, 01:26

.. is this a typo on the site or is stormlash actually... not as good as i thought? ..

I bet U Stormlash is better than U thought :)

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/umaces.shtml

DariusTriplet

20-05-2004, 02:38

Man, I'd love to have a Duress armor on my Furysin to replace her 2 Perf Diamonded Spirit Forge (and later Leviathan). I guess it balances out, though - No SP Duress, no Bnet Beta Crescent Moon.

If I'm going for a Titan build (to maximize damage), is there anything in particular I should worry about? My AR seems to be fine right now (75% to hit bosses in Act 1 NM), although I'm worried about it down the road.

How much of a difference would, say, a Steel Small Charm make in Hell?

ShakeitLikeasin

21-05-2004, 00:22

Just wanted to thank Ritslev for an awesome guide and a very cool character. Shakeitlikeasin is up to level 77 already waiting to use her stormlash (socketed with a jah, of course). I either had or traded for all the items rather easily. I don't think you can say that about many other characters as the higher level gear is sometimes hard to come by. When I got rattlecage, the person just about laughed at me. I know I've found it and sold it about 20 times in the past! I really like playing this character, it's a lot of fun. I have the runes for duress and crescent moon but have yet to find the appropriate items (anyone want to hook me up? :) A question about crescent moon though, is it better than my stormlash?

Ritslev

21-05-2004, 08:55

... A question about crescent moon though, is it better than my stormlash?...
There are several issues here.

Stormlash Pros over Cresent Moon.
-Better chance to cast static.
-Crushing blow %.
-High Elemental damage.

Cresent Moon Pros over Stormlash.
-Higher physical damage.
-Chance to cast Chain Lightning.
-Doesn't need Jah for Ignore Target Defence (which makes it cheaper)
-Open Wounds %
-Lightning Resistance lowered by -35% on hits.

When you put on Stormlash you will see the damage. On your character screen, and generally when you use it. When you use Cresent Moon the damage is a bit more hidden. Let me explain that.

With Stormlash any ol' charms are good charms... that is if they have high elemental damage (except Poison). Stormlash is in itself the damage dealer here.

With Cresent Moon the -35% enemy resistance is what really does the trick. That is if you have at your disposal a LOT of elemental Lightning damage charms. You won't be able to see the real damage you do, cause there is no way to configure the lowered resistances effect. But you can though see it when charging into a crowd.

So which do I prefer. Well Crushing Blow is just too vital to me... so I went for Stormlash and I swear by Stormlash. I got the luck to also have my hands on Facets so that further enhance both weapons. I still have my Cryptic Sword which I also use form time to time.. it's just too damn good to throw away/trade.

I hope this helps.

ShakeitLikeasin

21-05-2004, 20:20

There are several issues here.

So which do I prefer. Well Crushing Blow is just too vital to me... so I went for Stormlash and I swear by Stormlash. I got the luck to also have my hands on Facets so that further enhance both weapons. I still have my Cryptic Sword which I also use form time to time.. it's just too damn good to throw away/trade.

I hope this helps.

Thanks for the in depth analysis, that was exactly what I was hoping for. I just haven't been able to find (or trade) for an etherial cryptic sword, so I had to find out if it was really worth it. You mentioned facets though, how do you put a facet in crescent moon (already socketed) or in a stormlash already socketed with a jah?

jumbo_SHRIMP

21-05-2004, 20:47

ethereal 3 sox myth sword is easier to find than the cryptic, same avg damage...for crescent moon that is

phelix

Ritslev

21-05-2004, 22:46

.....You mentioned facets though, how do you put a facet in crescent moon (already socketed) or in a stormlash already socketed with a jah?..

I don't.

Facets goes into Helmet or Shield (If your resistances allows you to ignore the need for Um rune). Perhaps Armor (If you use Rattlecage)

Griffin

22-05-2004, 08:21

I'm having major AR problems with my furysin. First and foremost, I am a perfectionist. I can't just put some random number of points in dexterity to raise AR a little. I either have to do enough for max block (bad idea) or none at all, and find other ways to solve AR. I don't like the Jah solution, as not working against bosses or champions is not good enough for me. I'm considering using an Angelic combo, but I don't want to drop the other jewelry. I just thought of a rather strange solution though, and I think it might work. How would it be if I got a Blessed Aim mercenary? Would the extra AR be enough to hit well against everything? I think it might well be. I can get an ethereal Doom weapon for him too, so he can also have Holy Freeze. Do you think that the Blessed Aim merc would do well enough for AR that I wouldn't have to change my equipment, Jah my weapon, or add any points to dexterity? Thanks for input.

Ritslev

22-05-2004, 18:02

...I can't just put some random number of points in dexterity to raise AR a little...
There is nothing random about choosing the Dexterity according to the weapon you intend on using. I have personally opted to get Vitality 300 and with what I feel is enough Life, so I'll pump the rest of all my stats into Dexterity. This means that I have Dexterity 75 Currently without items.. I'm level 87, so that will be an ok boost.
..I either have to do enough for max block (bad idea) or none at all, and find other ways to solve AR. I don't like the Jah solution, as not working against bosses or champions is not good enough for me...
Jah doesn't work against bosses, which is why the Demon Limb on your switch is vital. Demon Limb or Angelic Combo. Either way you will get the same Attack Rating. 2 k I beleive. (I could be slightly wrong here but I'm pretty sure here). Personally I prefer to use Demon Limb, it's fast and easy. It lasts for close to 10 minutes. It cost 10k gold to repair per charge.. or Ort + chipped gem in the cube to recharge fully. It's a cheap solution to the AR problem and it works. While yes Angelic Rings and Amulet is a nice Combo.. then look at what you'll be loosing and gaining. So.

Removing Highlord + Raven + Carrion Wind and putting on Angelic Rings + Amulet :
Loose Cannot Be Frozen.
Loose 20 Dex
Loose 240 Attack Rating
Loose 55% Poison Resistance
Loose 9% Life Leech
Loose +1 skills
Loose 35% deadly strike
Loose 1-30 lightning damage (1-22 damage)
Loose 35% lightning resistance
Loose 15-45 Cold damage (11-33 damage)
Loose 20% Cold absorb
Gain 95 Life.
Gain 2 k Attack Rating
Gain 3 light radius (LOL)
Gain 10 Dex.

Take a look at this list and .. then ask yourself .. is it really worth it? In my book definatly not.
... How would it be if I got a Blessed Aim mercenary? Would the extra AR be enough to hit well against everything? I think it might well be. I can get an ethereal Doom weapon for him too, so he can also have Holy Freeze....
The Blessed Aim Merc will give you plenty of AR, you won't have to add/remove/change equipment, problem is.. what about when he dies? Then you're sold. Utterly sold. I tried it and found that having to run to town to revive Merc every other minute was a pain in the *beep*
The Merc is not a good solution, it is not a viable one simply cause when he's dead.. then so is your attack rating.

ShakeitLikeasin

24-05-2004, 22:02

I don't.

Facets goes into Helmet or Shield (If your resistances allows you to ignore the need for Um rune). Perhaps Armor (If you use Rattlecage)

Ok, so I finally got a dusk shroud and made Duress, the armor rocks, I can now melee in nm no problem; hell, of course, is another story. I'm actually using a botd zerker axe I made for the time being until I can use my stormlash. I socketed my tiamat's with an um and have max resists in hell, so that only leaves my helm. What would you recommend socketing it with, a 5/5 lightning rainbow facet?

Tanatus

24-05-2004, 22:52

Ok, so I finally got a dusk shroud and made Duress, the armor rocks, I can now melee in nm no problem; hell, of course, is another story. I'm actually using a botd zerker axe I made for the time being until I can use my stormlash. I socketed my tiamat's with an um and have max resists in hell, so that only leaves my helm. What would you recommend socketing it with, a 5/5 lightning rainbow facet?
5/5 poison facet - main elemental damage for furysin comes from poison. Lvl23 venom give you ~400 poison damage every 0.4s. While lighting could "apperently" net you higher damage in reality due to low min damage and fact that apperently 33% monsters in hell have lit resist or immune poison damage more efficient killer
P.S. about AR - *sign* ppl use tools that given to assasin wisely... COS = -40-95% to enemy deffence, use on a switch weapons that give you -% per him or -value per hit to deffence

Ritslev

25-05-2004, 10:43

..What would you recommend socketing it with, a 5/5 lightning rainbow facet?...
You will hear people say : Poison Facet... due to Venom and so on. But consinder this ...
Poison Charms aren't worth having so with an inventory of Psn Charms you'll have 1 Facet...
I urge you strongly to choose a Lightning Facet... my reasons are :
-Stormlash has high Lightning Elemental Damage
-Stormlash and Cresent Moon has Static and is more effective with a Light Facet.
-Inventory of Lighting Charms is 'way' better than Psn charms

These are jsut three of my many reasons, but in my book these three are all that is needed.

Ritslev

25-05-2004, 10:50

..5/5 poison facet - main elemental damage for furysin comes from poison. Lvl23 venom give you ~400 poison damage every 0.4s.
First...
Venom gives : 400 damage.. is misleading it only gives : 300.. why? Cause Blade Fury has a 3/4 penalty.
.. While lighting could "apperently" net you higher damage in reality due to low min damage and fact that apperently 33% monsters in hell have lit resist or immune poison damage more efficient killer
Lightning on avarage does give more damage. Let me demonstrate.
Poison : 290 over 10 secs : 29 over 1 sec : 14 over .4 sec. : Avarage : 14
Lightning: 1-41 each hit : Avarage : 20
Then you mention the 33% of monsters with Lightning Immunities..
And my answer to that is that this is also incorrect. It's closer to 15%, you're focusing on Act 5 which in my book is wrong. We could do the same caculation with Poison and Act 2.
I don't know where your caculations/test come from and they could be good, but I have just had a very different experience.
..P.S. about AR - *sign* ppl use tools that given to assasin wisely... COS = -40-95% to enemy deffence, use on a switch weapons that give you -% per him or -value per hit to deffence
Demon Limb... a -enemy defence is effecient but with a group of monsters you'll have to keep switching back and forth.. not pratical.

These are my thouhgts at least... We all differ at times.. and I'm sure it works either way :)

Frankeinstein

25-05-2004, 12:47

Don't you just cast enchant from the limb & put it away for 10 minutes? I can't remember the last time I stayed out of town for more than 10 minutes while doing a high level "run".

Also my weapon changes color when enchanted, so I know the spell is still active of not.
Haven't had a chance to use it again since the (opps)... thats why I ask.

Again one of MY favorite weapons was a Gimmershred :thumbsup: That w/ enchant was amazing... cold, lit, fire... then add venom & enchant.

Currently using a Moonfall till I get to Gimmershred again. Still haven't come across a Stormlash. But if I do... I Will give it a go.

ShakeitLikeasin

25-05-2004, 21:31

You will hear people say : Poison Facet... due to Venom and so on. But consinder this ...
Poison Charms aren't worth having so with an inventory of Psn Charms you'll have 1 Facet...
I urge you strongly to choose a Lightning Facet... my reasons are :
-Stormlash has high Lightning Elemental Damage
-Stormlash and Cresent Moon has Static and is more effective with a Light Facet.
-Inventory of Lighting Charms is 'way' better than Psn charms

These are jsut three of my many reasons, but in my book these three are all that is needed.

Thanks for chiming in Ritslev, I had a feeling you would opt for the 5/5 lightning facet, that's why I waited....now I just need to find some more lightning charms!

ehawk

27-05-2004, 18:01

I just reached level 60 and got into the throne room in the worldkeep. I am just getting clobbered. I play on useast non ladder. My equip is as follows,

hellplague
swordback hold
spirit shroud (jsut changed this to a rare 425 def plate)
coif of glory helm
string of ears
35% MF ammy

My Death sentry is at 17, Fade is around 10, venom is around 14 and shadow master is around 5. I gave up on my Act II HF merc, all he does is die. I have charms that total +250 to AR +60 Lightning +15 fire damage +6 cold damage IIRC. Any suggestions??? It has been fun up to now. The open wounds has been great!

ShakeitLikeasin

27-05-2004, 21:13

Frankeinstein

28-05-2004, 01:22

My suggestion is to trade for the items Ritslev suggested. I know, at least for me, it was extremely easy to trade for the proper gear on ladder (not so sure about non-ladder as I do not play there). This character is highly dependent on the correct item set-up. Not sure if you can make it on non-ladder, but get Duress, it was a huge savior as the Rattlecage (even after being upped), isn't a very high defense armor. I reversed my point distributions from what you did and maxed my shadow, venom, and fade, first, mostly because you really need a tank for this build. Don't give up on your merc, you really need him in hell. You could get rushed to 75 and then go back and level your merc, that's what I always end up doing. At lvl 78, nm is now a joke for my sin. I only use sentries in hell, I didn't even need them until then. Hope this helps.

Mostly what he said... you can subsitute some of the items. Hellplague is good but will not have enogh damage at higher lvls. I used one & gave it up for hexfire right now. Rattle cage & at least goblin toes would help quite a bit.
more fade is also needed here to keep you going.
If the amy is just MF, you gonna need a better one to hang in there. The HF merc will work if you give him better gear... I had one at lvl 85 before.

PsychoticEwok1

28-05-2004, 04:09

you definitely need crushing blow and some sort of decent weapon. are you playin nm worldkeep or hell? cuz in hell you arnt gonna cut it at lvl 60.

wuts the rune combo for crescent moon? whatever it is, i think the only moderately expensive thing there is UM. just stick it in a zerker axe if you have the str, or a cryptic sword. if you have high str, stick it in a better sword.

even a 6 socket phase blade loaded with perf ruby/saph/topaz would be ok. hellplague is... pretty much useless. the poison on it will be reduced by ALOT.

duress in a dusk shroud is great, over 1k def, crushing blow, resists, etc.

the key with this build is crushing blow. get as much as possible. and get AR. then you will dominate

Frankeinstein

28-05-2004, 05:57

Another thing is ITD (ignore traget defence) My hexfire helps alot with that. The hydra on it is fun but doesn't do enough damage & is expensive to repair... but other wise till I can use my Gimmershred :drool:

gezzap

28-05-2004, 15:27

That is a good idea.. Franky mentioned it in an earlier thread and I agreed with him then and I do with you now. It is a good route to play. Personally I choose though to leave the Blast at 1.. and pump my Blade Fury instead.

..cut....

Heh 200's... Well I'd suggest instead, if yo'ure rich, putting on an Enigma Armor. Just to see how things turn out befor investing the points.

In all accounts, let me know how it turns out.
SonOfRa

Hi SonOfRa and other contributors to this thread

I though I would document, for you guys, my Fury Assasin because I am so satisfied and proud of how she has turned out - thanks to the inspiration I received from this great thread.

She is in some ways a significant variant on the build mainly because of the items I had in mind for her (that I already had) and because I also wanted to try out the Fire traps instead of the stock lightning ones.

Dan_Fireblade level 85

Notable acheivements:
Did Ancients/clearing of Worldstone/Minoins and Baal in a 3 player game Solo with 2 passengers in Town at level 30 without dieing
Soloed Hell Worldstone/Minions and Baal at level 84

Equipment: (I have provided stats on the equipment where their stats are not already mentioned in this thread)
Helm:Blackthorns Socketed with RAL prevent monster heal, slows target 20%, 263 def, 20 lightning absorb, Light res 15% amd Fire res 30%, Attacker takes damage of 25
Armour: Steel Carapace Shadow Plate socketed with ORT 8% chance to cast lvl 6 Iron Maiden, 20% FHR, 1640 Def , Regen mana 12%, Cold Res 53%, Light Res 20% , Dam reduced by 10, Self repairing - This armour is Jet black so has a huge cool factor.
Weapon 1: Eth Baranar's Star - Devil Star Dam 192-237, 200% ED, 200% bonus to AR, 1-200 Fire Light and Cold Dam, +15 Str, +15 Dex, 50% dam to UD - havent decided on what to socket this with yet
SheildMedusa's Gaze Aegis socketed with Perf Ruby 10% chance to cast lvl 7 lower resist when struck, 100% chance to cast level 44 Nova when u die (havent used this yet :thumbsup: ) 7% life stolen per hit, slows target 20%, 442 Def, Cold Res 59%, Fire Res 40% Chance to Block 49%
Weapon 2: Eth Messerschmidts Reaver Champion Axe 200%ED, 212% En Max Dam - based on Char Level, 100% bonus to AR, adds 20-240 fire, +15 all attributes.
Boots:Gore Riders 171% ED
Ring 1:Ravens Frost
Ring 2:Carrion Wind Fav mods are 10% chance level 10 Poison Nova when struck and 8% chance to cast lvl 13 twister on striking, 6% life steal +136 def vs missle, Poison Res 55% 10% dam goes to mana,
Belt:Nitesmoke +20 Mana, all Res 10, 50% dam goes to mana + other mods
Gloves:Eth Rares (self repairing) Light res 26% + other mods
Ammy: Rare + 2 Skills + other mods I will replace once I find or craft a better one
Skill Charms: 1 Trapper, 1 Shadow grand charms

Merc: Act 2 Normal Blessed Aim level 83,
Armour:Upgraded Rattle Cage
Helm: Nats Set Helm
Weapon: The Reapers Toll, 33% chance level 1 decrepify 33% deadly strike, ITD, 12% life steal + other mods.
next Weapon at level 84: Tomb Reaver (I like the 10% auto reanimate)

Stats: Base and After Items (BStar and sheid/MReaver)
Str 233 (248/248)
Dex 75 (111/111)
Vit 184 (184/199)
Energy 28 (28/43)
Defense 2748/2306
Life 803/848 (after charms)
Mana 216/242 (after charms)
Hell Resists after fade: Weapon1 75/75/68/75 // Weapon2 75/50/68/75

Main Skills: (Excluding prereq and before + Skills items)
Fade 9 *
Venom 1 #
Shadow Warrior 2 (extra point was a slip 8( )
Shadow Master 20 *
Cloak of Shadows #
Mind Blast 1 #
Fire Blast 3 (may take to 6 to get extra shot from Death Sentry)
Blade Sentinal 5 *
Blade Fury 1 *
Blade Sheild 1
Death Sentry 8 *
Wake of Fire 17 (going for 20) (20 with +skills shoots 5 times fire damage 178-204) *
Wake of Inferno 20 (23 with +skills shoots 10 times fire damage 848-975) *

* Main Stock skills
# Secondary Skills

Blade fury Damage with Eth Baranas Star - 612-1249 (AR 2295 , 4819 with Merc)
Blade fury Damage with Eth Messerschmidts Reaver Champion Axe - 812-2242 (at clvl 85) (AR 1530, 4054 with merc)

As you can see from the items that use I like the chance to cast items (chance to case lower resist, Iron Maiden, poison Nova, Decrepify) and the Merc has the Hit causes monster to flee.

I have a Cranium Basher maul (75% crushing blow) that I want to try out when she gets to level 87 I have to decide whether to pump 20 more into strength first. I am happy with the amount of life that she has.

I know she doesnt have the hi crushing blow but I am still happy with her as she holds her own in big Baal run games and was also able to do a solo Hell Baal run (A test I like to be able to pass with all of my characters)

I would appreciate any tweeks to her that you might be able to suggest when it comes to future skill/stat point allocation.

Thanks again for the guide as I have had immense fun with her.

Best of luck to everyone for your FurySins.

Gezzap

ehawk

28-05-2004, 21:28

I understand the gear has much to do with the makeup of this character. I guess I have just been unlucky finding someone to trade. I tried the throne room again and had better luck. Last time there were two boss groups at the bottom of the stairs. I eventually killed most of the minions, i let the last group follow me to the stairs, hit burst of speed, and got back to baal. I then got to Baal and eventually killed him. It took a while, but I was able to do it without dying, just MANY trips to town for mana/health. I ran outta gold and had to sell most of my xtra equiment and gems though. He dropped 3 uniques, but they were not that good. An armor with OW, magefist,and a spear. Oh well. Maybe I will find a good trade over the holiday.

TheRealVertical

31-05-2004, 22:10

I'm absolutely loving this build. I'm cruising through hell no problems with her. I breezed through NM using only the Heart Carver unique Rondel, with ITD. Not that high of damage, but it worked just fine. Now that I'm in Hell, I've switched to using Gimmershred with Demon Limb on switch.

My gear is as follows:

Helm:
Guillaume's Face

Ammy:
(Magic) Chromatic Amulet of Memory: +58 to mana, All Resists +27
I do have Highlord's Wrath, but I am really loving this magic ammy's resists. Using this ammy, I have FULL resists in hell with Fade.

Weapon 1:
Gimmershred, doing 806-1986 damage with Venom

Weapon 2:
Demon Limb, used to boost AR. With Enchant, AR is pushing 4000+

Armor:
Duress (runeword) Wyrmhide, Def: 1309, with 19% enhanced Damage

Shield:
Moser's Blessed Circle, socketed with 2 pdiamonds, 62% chance to block, def: 170, all resists +63

Gloves:
(Crafted) Soul Finger Vampirebone Gloves: +1 to Martial Arts (oh well), 1% life leech (lol), 10% Crushing Blow (now THAT's what I'm talking about), +13 to life, poison resist +17, 10% better chance of getting magic items

Ring 1:
Raven Frost

Ring 2:
(rare) Wraith Turn Ring, +84 AR, 7% life stolen, +58 to mana, +13 max stamina

Belt:
Gloom's Trap (for mana leech and mana regen)

Boots:
Gore Riders

-----------------

Total Crushing Blow (I know it doesn't necessarily stack like this):
+35% from helm
+15% from armor
+15% from boots
+10% from gloves

Other bonus stats:
15% Deadly Strike from armor
15% Deadly Strike from boots
33% Open Wounds from armor
10% Open Wounds from boots

I have no trouble taking enemies down. Nothing is immune to me, I love it. I just cruised through the Pit in Act I no problemo.

The only drawback I've found to this build with this gear is the RIDICULOUSLY high cost of repairing Duress. It's approximately 80,000 per durability point. Meaning, if it's at 24 of 27 Durability, it's going to cost you over 240,000 gold to repair it. If it's and at 15 Durability, that's 1,000,000 gold to repair. 3 durability, that's 2 million gold.

But, that's a small price to pay for all those gawdy stats you get from it.

So I'm going to be collecting Ort runes for that armor, LOL.

Anyway, I've got Stormlash waiting in the wings when I hit level 82, and I may make a Crescent Moon, if I can find a good sword.

I LOVE this build. LOVE it. Bosses is when this build really excels. I love being in a 5+ person game in hell, watching everyone pound away at a boss, doing tiny bits of damage, and then I just start tossing stars, and the health starts falling off FAST.

Love it.

Thanks for the guide.

GridReaper

01-06-2004, 01:27

My hardcore, level 39, Furysin is going as well as expected. I decided to go with Shadow Warrior (now at 11) and have been pleasantly suprised at its effectiveness after I put a point into Fists of Fire.

Is it worth putting points in other martial skills? Are the dragon skills viable or do they require too much babysitting to be effective AND simple?

Ritslev

01-06-2004, 01:31

...I'm absolutely loving this build....Thanks for the guide...
Thank you for the words of praise. :)
They are much appreciated

SonOfRa

Ritslev

01-06-2004, 01:40

Greetings All.

I've created this build and now seen more and more read/post about it. That makes me very pleased, and it makes the work I put into it worth it. On that note...

I would like something from you all.

Could those hwom have created the Furysin please post :

1 : Damage. With and without Enchant/Venom (Listed with Blade Fury Skill, Also please note which weapon so I cna get a general idea.)
2 : Resistances in Hell.
3 : Open Wounds, Critical and Deadly Strike, Crushing Blow
4 : Level of Fury Sin.
5 : Merc used.
6 : Gear used.

Thanks.. it will help me map out a ver 1.2 update, and maybe come with some new gear ideas .. which so far is in testing and which has surprised me a little as to how effective it can be :) Yes there are a few tricks in the bag which in version 1.2 will make you smile even more people :)

So once I have some (hopefully a lot) of replies I'll start on version 1.2

SonOfRa - Europe Server.. always open for a /msg.

moosh

01-06-2004, 09:08

Ugh I wish I was wealthier, but here goes. I also play alone a lot so static shock isn't as important on normal monsters.

1. 516-1797 (835-2131 with venom) Hoping to get a 2500 blade. I use Gimmershred

2. 75/55/54/44

3.

10% Open wounds - 266 dmg per sec ~ extra 60 dmg per blade. Not bad. I should get more of this :)

30% Deadly Strike - With gimmershed I only do approximately 530 physical damage so deadly strike isn't as great. I considered getting an Earthshifter for the immensive physical damage (does the 3/8 penalty really exist? I think I tested it and it doesn't). If I can get a hold of an Earthshifter (33% CB as well!) I should definately get Highlords.

50% Crushing Blow - Seems to kill bosses quickly enough. Andariel went down easier than Britney Spears. Instead of Duress for the extra 15% CB I considered getting a 4 sock plate of the whale with facets. For bosses, I'll switch to Earthshifter for the extra 33%.

4. She's level 75 in Act 2. I don't rush so its taking me a while to level. Blade Fury is level 1. After I finish fade off I'll put as many points into it as possible. A level 15 DS seems to have sufficient range. However although I was considered putting points into Lightning Sentry, I realized it was a bad idea. The tactic of course is to take down 1 mob asap, then corpse explode (works very well in 1 player game) By the time someone were to lay out all 5 LS traps, they could have killed the damn thing with Blade Fury already heh.

5. Blessed Aim Merc - Since I'm not too wealthy, his gear sucks. Through experience however, I've learned how to keep him alive more efficiently :)
Shift + 2 = Full Juvie for him. He rarely dies now for as long as I have a supply of Juvies. Without him though, I'm screwed.

6. Gear:

Helm: Guillame's Face

Amulet: Crap I don't even remember. I hope to get a metalgrid (450 AR, 25-35 all resists).

Ring1: Ravenfrost (yay!)

Ring2: Some rare ring with manaleech, hoping for another Ravenfrost, wasn't too impressed with Carrionwind.

Weapon: Gimmershred

Shield: Tiamats with PDiamond (you Um'ers can take that extra 3 resists and shove it =P)

Gloves: Utter crap. Hoping for soul drainers to leech and keep my merc alive through weakening.

Boots: Gore Riders

Armor: Blade Hades ( needs changing ) Since my build is so heavy on elemental damage, I considered getting a 4 socketed plate for facets rather than Duress.

4 Facets amount to about 3-222 extra Lightning damage and -20 to enemy light resist. Is that better than Duress in a 1 player game? I do not worry about resistance since Metalgrid should provide plenty.

The most appealing thing about Duress is the ~97 (130) cold damage. Because I play alone, monsters don't have that much health and therefore crushing blow does not have a huge impact on normal monsters. For bosses however, I'll switch for Earth shifter (whenever I get it) for crushing blow.

The other reason why I considered using Earth Shifter was because of the resistences hell monsters have. Almost every mob is immune to something which really hurts Gimmershred. However, the physical hell resistance was removed I believe and physical damage should be more effective, especially with DS. I'll let you know when I get in my high 80's with an Earthshifter :)

Just tested again- I'm almost positive that 3/8 2-hand penalty doesn't exist.
I bought a 30 max damage 2 hander and a 29 max damage 1 hander from Act1. Their damage was very very similar. The 2 hander was a little over.

gezzap

01-06-2004, 12:39

No problems SonOfRa

To summarise some details from my post above:
1 : Damage. as quoted - and that is without enchant/venom
Blade fury Damage with Eth Baranas Star - 612-1249 (AR 2295 , 4819 with Merc)
Blade fury Damage with Eth Messerschmidts Reaver Champion Axe - 812-2242 (at clvl 85) (AR 1530, 4054 with merc)
2 : Resistances in Hell.
Hell Resists after fade: Weapon1 75/75/68/75 // Weapon2 75/50/68/75
3 : Open Wounds, Critical and Deadly Strike, Crushing Blow - only that which goreriders provides
4 : Level of Fury Sin. 85
5 : Merc used. - Blessed Aim
6 : Gear used. - Please see my post a few posts above yours

TheRealVertical

02-06-2004, 21:36

My FurySin is now level 83, using Stormlash. I really haven't noticed that much of an increase in damage over the Gimmershred, although I do notice a whole lot of Twisters going off!

I may not be watching closely enough, but the static doesn't seem to go off with nearly the same frequency as Twister. I realize it has a lower % chance to cast, but I'd say for every 10 twisters I see, I get 1 static cast, which is way off?

If what I read above is true about the 2-handed damage bit not existing, I may switch weapons.

As of now, I've defeated Hell with the FurySin (I didn't solo it, I was with another sorc, but I'm confident I *could* have solo'd it). As there's nothing that's immune to me, there's nothing I can't defeat, given enough time. Some bosses that are immune to physical and lightning are a royal pain, but they go down eventually.

The reason I started this build was because I *hated* those damn archers while doing Pit runs. They killed me *all* the time when I was a pure lightning trapper. No more. I can smoke them quickly, and never worry about getting killed.

My only issue is that although I can kill anything, I can't kill enemies *super fast*. I realize that that's not the intent of this build, so it's not anything I wasn't expecting. But if I'm in an 8-player game, I am sitting there focusing on one or two monsters, killing them fairly repidly, while other uber-powered chars are downing entire groups ridiculously fast. It's a trade-off, I realize... if I were to build a *pure* cold sorc, yes, I could probably demolish anything that wasn't immune to cold in no time... but I couldn't do anything about those things which are immune to cold.

I think my only other issue with the FurySin is there is no advantage to leveling her now. I've maxed fade, venom, shadow master, and am working on death sentry and CoS. But leveling up will never increase my damage output now, so there's not much incentive to leveling her. The only thing that will increase my damage is finding a weapon that's more effective than Stormlash (is that even possible? I am currently trying to find a 3 socket ethereal Cryptic/Mythical sword for Crescent Moon, but they're hard to come by, plus I don't even know if that would help).

Is there hope out there to increase my damage? I'm not at home right now, so I'm doing a guestimation here, but my damage is somewhere around the following:

WITH Enchant + Venom:
~800 - 1900 damage

I'm not sure what the damage is without these two.

I suppose I could pick up lightning damage charms, or something, but I'm just wondering if there's another way.

For the record, I don't have on any gear with +skills. I *do* have a +3 Shadow Disciplines ammy, but I'd lose some resists, then, which I don't want to do right now. Plus I don't feel like 3 more levels of Venom Damage would really do all that much.

So is there a solution to getting more damage?

I'm very pleased that I can kill *everything*, now I'm just looking for a way to kill it all *faster* :D

EDIT:

Oh, one other thing: I swapped my gloves for Laying Of Hands - the 350% damage against Demons is *great* for certain areas of the game, namely the pit, and River of Flame. Good to have when you're going into an area loaded with demons.

Ritslev

03-06-2004, 08:12

..My only issue is that although I can kill anything, I can't kill enemies *super fast*. I realize that that's not the intent of this build, so it's not anything I wasn't expecting... .
You're right we don't kill super fast.. and there will never be a situation where you will be able to rival a lightning sorc or a cold sorc. A lightning trapper or a hammerdin for that matter. The way the game is put together around Blade Fury that is simply never possible. Sorry if that disappoints you.
..WITH Enchant + Venom:
~800 - 1900 damage..I'm not sure what the damage is without these two.
I'm in the 2800's ATM... so there is a way to increase your damage output. I don't though know your setup of gear and so on. I do though urge you to invest heavily in charms if you haven't already done so. I mean naked without items I still do 1200 damage.
..I think my only other issue with the FurySin is there is no advantage to leveling her now. I've maxed fade, venom, shadow master, and am working on death sentry and CoS. But leveling up will never increase my damage output now...
I thought the same initially when I reached level 87. At level 89 though I'm quite pleased with the 2 points in Blade Fury. Not a lot of damage.. in fact ridicilously low. But to me who want to break the 3 k barrier it's enough.
(I break 4k easily with a BotD weapon but I loose my main benefit, Static. So I may be able to kill one monster faster, but the group takes too much time.)

You also mention Stormlash vs Gimmershred. Your experience with Stormlashes lack of casting static has also been mine. I found though that from time to time re-equipping it, or switching weaopns for a sec or two helps. It's not though something I enjoy nor find as a solution, but if it works.. try it. About the damage though. The main reason is crushing blow and static. Those are the 2 main reasons for Stormlash over Gimmershred. You do though have to remember that Static is cast from you.. not the monster you hit. So you have to be within 2/3 screen length to the monsters. Better yet if you're skilled enough to be within 1/3 length. That might also be your problem. In either case. Stormlash has benefits Gimmershred can't match. While it looks better on paper, it's not.

I am working on version 1.2 but you won't find anything in there hugely revolutionary .. I do though think you can do better on your damage...

I hope this helps
SonOfRa

TheRealVertical

03-06-2004, 18:08

Yeah, I've decided to start searching for charms that give me some elemental damage, and perhaps I'll pump more points into blade fury just for the few additional damage points.

I did figure out that bit about Static being cast from me as opposed to the target, so that has helped some. It still just seems weird that there are *constant* twisters going off, and very rarely do I hear the static noise, or see the shock on the pack. But I do see it every now and then.

I am also going to try tossing on my Highlord's wrath, and maybe let my resists slip a little bit. Maybe the Deadly Strike will help a bit with damage, too.

rild

04-06-2004, 09:50

I am making Dragon Claw sin:
Dragon Claw - max
Venom - max
SM - max
Claw Mastery - 15-20
etc...
That's build will have a problem with Poison + PI monsters in hell and also with fare enchanted bosses.
That is the reason for me to choose Blade Fury for secondary skill for that kind of monsters.
I plain to use Tiamat's Rebuke shield, but I have a problems for weapon choice. I thinking for Baranar's Star or Firelizard's Talons. If I choose Baranar - i will loose all bonuses from CM, but for Firelizard i will have problems with fire enchated bosses (they as usual are immune to fire), but in that case weapons ED will be at help.
Is there a any other choices about weapon against Poison + PI and fire enchanted?
Any advices are welcome :)

Ritslev

04-06-2004, 12:26

Black Souls...

Don't we all hate them? Well while they do go down, they go down slow. Or so I've always thought. I was never happy with how I killed them with this build.. till I byu accident forgot to switch weapons.

I was in the throne room surrounded by a ton of Souls and only my shadow and myself were staying alive in a group of 6. It was hell, since there were 2 bosses amongst them. Rare I know but this was one of those times.

I switched to Demon Limb and put Enchant on.. and DAMN. What was that.. suddenly I was killing them down right QUICK.

I was really happy.. then the minions came and I didn't get it. I wasn't killing anything at all.. or rather I was doing it slowly. Then I realized .. I hadn't switched back to the Lash.

So flash update :

Against all lightning immunes :
Use Demon Limb + Enchant and you'll do down right fine.
Only thing I feel stupid aoubt is if I have to 'Jah' it .. hehe cuse it does need attack rating. and though the Enchant helps.. hehe well you get the idea I hope

Just thought I'd let people know that little finding
SonOfRa

ehawk

04-06-2004, 20:18

I managed to get the runes for Duress. I found a vex, and was able to trade it for the Um and Shael I needed. I found a 3 socket Kraken armor, but I do not have the strenght to wear it. Does anyone have a 3 socket dusk shroud? I have an unsocketed superior one I could trade, plus the kraken, and a coupld of pgems? Also does anyone know if I wore equipment with -% to reqs if that would work to equip the armor? PM if you have an armor.

Ritslev

04-06-2004, 20:49

... Does anyone have a 3 socket dusk shroud? ...
Hi..
I have a :

3 Socketed Scarab Husk
Def 410
Str 98

U can have for free..
Realm : Europe
Contact : *SonOfRa

Ritslev aka SonOfRa

ehawk

05-06-2004, 05:34

But I am on east. I dont think you can transfer between realms can you?

gezzap

05-06-2004, 07:41

Weapon 1:
Gimmershred, doing 806-1986 damage with Venom

I just found an ethereal Gimmershred and Fury is doing 534-1855 damage before any enchant or venom how does that compare to yours? this is a much better Onehanded weapon than the Eth Baranas Star I was using

BTW Is your Gimmershred ethereal?

5zigen

05-06-2004, 07:44

I am just wondering why no one has mentioned Fleshripper. 25% cb, high Ow and DS, slows target and prevents monster heal on top of high dmg and -50% (%!!) enemy defense. With a eth thats -75% enemy defense. all for extremely low requirements.

seems to me this is the ideal weapon for a furysin (i know it doesnt have static, but everything else on it is perfect), in fact with gores, duress, guillames blood gloves and this weapon you get a perfect 100% CB (and yes this IS how it is stacked, its added linearly, or at least was at the begining of 1.10), also with this setup you have a good 52% deadly strike. Mabey this was mentioned in the origonal thread but i thought i would add it in here.

also what about atmas scarab. seems like the perfect ammy for a blade fury sin. chance to cast amp (its on striking) and a 20% bonus to AR. remember that crushing blow IS effected by positive physical resistance.

just thought i would add these things. the thought of an eth fleshripper makes me droul, in fact ima go look for one.

Ritslev

05-06-2004, 08:57

...why no one has mentioned Fleshripper. 25% cb, high Ow and DS, slows target and prevents monster heal on top of high dmg and -50% (%!!) enemy defense. With a eth thats -75% enemy defense. all for extremely low requirements.
Eth Fleshripper is mentioned in the original build, under secondary weapons which also work.
..also what about atmas scarab. seems like the perfect ammy for a blade fury sin. chance to cast amp (its on striking) and a 20% bonus to AR. remember that crushing blow IS effected by positive physical resistance....
Atmas Scarab was part of the first version. Due though to the many curses cast at the time .. Flee from Rattlecage and Weaken from Soul Drainers, well then the Amp damage never really was put into effect.

With Rattlecage changed to Duress, I have retested Atmas.. it is good, but still Highlords is better. That is if you don't lack AR. If you do lack AR, use Atmas till you've solved this issue, then switch back to Highlords

Ritslev

05-06-2004, 19:31

Well if you want Attack Rating there is also another option

The Mahim-Oak Curio Amulet
+10 to Dexterity
+10 to Strength
+10 to Energy
+10 to Vitality
+10 Defense
+10% Bonus to Attack Rating
+10% Resistance To All
+10% Enhanced Defense

Low level. Resistance and AT. Not bad really

jmervyn

07-06-2004, 21:06

1 : Damage. With and without Enchant/Venom (Listed with Blade Fury Skill, Also please note which weapon so I cna get a general idea.)
2 : Resistances in Hell.
3 : Open Wounds, Critical and Deadly Strike, Crushing Blow
4 : Level of Fury Sin.
5 : Merc used.
6 : Gear used.

Sorry, my previous Angel_Veil has been dead for a while - she bought it during a Hell FE Ancient's death poof. She lvl'ed, but it wasn't enough to save her
:hanky: sob thought they'd fixed that.. sob

I'll try to give what she had as stats; the build wasn't a pure bladesin since I had started long before reading your guide. Keep in mind she was untwinked ladder HC -

1. Think on main attack it was 1100-1400 or so.
2. Max with max Fade, obviously; without I think she was 40's other than poison.
3. 33/45/35, I believe - also max Venom. Won't rely on that again...
4. At the death poof she reached 90.
5. Blessed Aim
6. Highlords, Ravenfrost. Primary claw was eth Strength and + LS, having used Malice earlier. Secondary was a Bartuc. Weapon switch were dual shadow claws. For a while I used the full Disciple set, but I finally got Soul drainers and stopped. Also, still have the Disciple armor, so she must have been using a nice craft. Also had used a Ward for some time in her 50's.

Merc was perfect - Bonehew, Vamp Gaze, and Hwanin's.

EDIT - forgot to mention - the new Angel_Veil finally has her Crescent Moon phase blade on, at lvl 54. Craft gloves, Sander boots, Disciple armor & ammy, Mosers, dual +2 switch, rare rings. Has to wear a Bladebuckle belt to keep her pants up, what with all the Dex charms she's carrying.

Hmm... pants down... so THAT's why the animation catches the eye. :spy:

Frankeinstein

07-06-2004, 21:23

I'll have to sit down & fiqure out what Qeznart_too is at.

This morning I started a game for my PvP sin I'm working on (UR_PHUCKT) :lol:

anyway I had a game up called GTNCAIN & someone popped in & says... hey need any free stuff... Oh course I says... YES!!!!

comes back & dumps (2) mules worth of medium to high lvl, rares, uni's & greenies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had to jump out & back w/ 2 spare mules for the gear. He was cleaning out some accounts & didn't want to just toss the stuff out.

Anyway one of the last items he drooped off was...........................Guillianes Face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEA BABY :thumbsup:

I have been looking for that for 6 months. Now I have 75% crushing blow!!!!!

way too cool! Just had to share that :clap:

wildjinn

07-06-2004, 22:31

Ritslev

08-06-2004, 00:33

Finally... after work and work and work..

At level 90 I finally broke the 3 K barrier while using Stormlash. That doesn't seem like a lot... but still a major victory for me.

Inventory loaded with lightning damage charms, and still having room for my Cube...
I broke the 3 k barrier last night.
With Venom + Enchant... my damage is now :

585 - 3004

Doesnt' sound like a lot when people compare to other builds, but what you have to keep in mind is that along with this damage (mainly elemental). There is :

98% Chance for Crushing Blow
43% chance of Open Wounds
63% chance of Critical / Deadly Strike
15 % chance of casting level 10 Static
20% chance of casting level 18 Tornado
8% chance of casting level 3 Weaken

I'm thrilled.. hehe

SonOfRa (a little proud today)

Note - Yes I know 3 k is easy to break with other weapons... other weapons though don't do what the Lash can... so :) Don't burst my bubble :) hehe

BIGeyedBUG

08-06-2004, 03:11

I hate to bring up an old topic, but I was just doing some testing, and the CB applied by BF does not work at full strength. I left on my rattlecage and guillaume's face and went otherwise naked into the outskirts of NM Lut Gholein. Here are the results of my testing:

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload5/BFdamage.jpg

Carrion Birds have a life range of 458-687, according to the Arreat Summit, which may or may not be correct (I don't know how area Mlvl corresponds to monster change in an area). For the extreme example, let's take 450 HP. At most, the Shuriken itself did 10 damage. That will correspond to about 2.1% of its health bar. The health bar is at approximately 83% (by pixel), which corresponds to a 17% loss. Assuming a 2% damage from BF itself, that leaves 15% damage (or so) from CB.

Here are my thoughts about that: Perhaps the 1/4 health is modified by a 3/4 penalty, with a final value of 3/16 life removed. Perhaps the bar is wrong. Perhaps it does do 1/8 of total HPs. It looks extremely unlikely, though, that BF actually removes 1/4 of a monster's health with CB.

I really doubt that BF is applying CB at the 3/4 damage penalty. For one thing, CB isn't technically damage at all, and it seems unlikely to me this kind of thing would have been specially coded. I think that BF "the skill" is treated as ranged by the game--see the immunity of BFers to Iron Maiden--and thus goes through the ranged penalty for CB. Also, the 1/8 figurematches my personal experience with BF--3x that, 3/16, does not. I think 1/8 is pretty well accepted in most places outside of dii.net, and I could get a better explanation/confirmation from some techie person if you really want to be sure.

If you want to do your own testing more thoroughly, use a short bow to apply CB, both normally and with BF. Compare the two with each other, and with non BF melee. Then tell us if you see any differences.

Frankeinstein

08-06-2004, 17:14

Ritslev, that is very cool congrats!

:thumbsup:

jmervyn

09-06-2004, 18:00

Arrgh. Just got the new Angel_Veil PK'd. I guess there's some sort of lag trick after the Ancients that I didn't know about, and I wasn't fast enough on the flux when some telenec hostiled.

1 : Damage. With and without Enchant/Venom (Listed with Blade Fury Skill, Also please note which weapon so I cna get a general idea.)
About 200-450, No venom this time, but using my brand new phase blade Crescent Moon. :hanky:

2 : Resistances in Hell.
Mid-20's, 75's with Fade

3 : Open Wounds, Critical and Deadly Strike, Crushing Blow
Whatever Crescent Moon + 10% is.

4 : Level of Fury Sin.
45 before ancients

5 : Merc used.
Frost

6 : Gear used.
Crescent Moon, 10% CB Blood gloves, Disciple armor & ammy, rare rings, 2 * +2 skill claws on switch, Mosers

Kyin3

11-06-2004, 04:01

Sorry frist time here kinda new to this area.
Whats this guide that everyone this talking about?

Ritslev

11-06-2004, 10:26

...Whats this guide that everyone this talking about?..
http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=126543

Then scroll down till you find :

The PvM Furysin (Blade Fury) - by Ritslev

wildjinn

11-06-2004, 11:42

I really doubt that BF is applying CB at the 3/4 damage penalty. For one thing, CB isn't technically damage at all, and it seems unlikely to me this kind of thing would have been specially coded. I think that BF "the skill" is treated as ranged by the game--see the immunity of BFers to Iron Maiden--and thus goes through the ranged penalty for CB. Also, the 1/8 figurematches my personal experience with BF--3x that, 3/16, does not. I think 1/8 is pretty well accepted in most places outside of dii.net, and I could get a better explanation/confirmation from some techie person if you really want to be sure.[snip]I'm certainly not trying to have any sort of mathematical answer here, just a graphically based answer that may or may not be correct. :p Basically, the point was to show that it doesn't do 1/4 damage with BF, as is commonly held on this board. I also realize that BF isn't directed damage from a character--I was just hypothesizing something that could be an option based on the data that I obtained, not anything firm.

(also, 3/16 is not 3 x 1/8. That'd be 3/8 or 6/16) ;)

If someone techie has explained it, (and I certainly trust your opinion on that based on the quality of your usual posts) could you PM me a link to their stuff? I couldn't find anything about it at the usual places that I visit/lurk.

Cironir

11-06-2004, 12:20

Nice to see a guide about this build. :) I had played a BF assassin during the 1.10 beta (and posted my findings and ponderings here (http://www.similarities.org/diablo2/110beta/bfassassin.html), though only NM and Hell sections are wortwhile, as they reflect my various "changes of mind"), and found her to be a viable and fun character -- even untwinked. I've made a few BF assassins after 1.10 was released, though got distracted by other projects. Personally, I'd go for the claw + blocking version (or c/c for some places, where blocking isn't needed but some of the off-hand mods come in handy), but that's strictly a personal preference, since I never play any character without blocking. (The "if I get hit, I made a mistake" theory is just that, a theory -- sync issues, lag, hangover, etc are realities of realm life! :)). But no doubt, this is a versatile build that can be easily "customized", and the guide is very well done!

Naliworld

11-06-2004, 12:35

OT, but: Nice to see you're still around, Cironir. :)

Cironir

11-06-2004, 13:08

OT, but: Nice to see you're still around, Cironir. :)

Likewise. :) I was thinking the same when I saw that you were still the moderator here! I keep getting distracted by other games (and life in general), but D2 is one of those vices that are hard to get rid of. I don't play as much as I used to anymore, but I'm sure it's just one "those phases" that eventually result in a few weeks or months of mindlessly addicted playing. :)

Time

14-06-2004, 04:46

Um...quick Q about this build. How viable is Lightsaber, not as an end game, but mid game weapon?

noobie1266

14-06-2004, 19:03

Ritslev - fantastic build and guide. I finally built a mf char to find the stuff I need for the BladeFury build. My BFer is level 25 and I'm loving it....

Quick question for the group - I found a Swordback Hold shield (50% OW). This seems like a great low level shield for this build. Any downside or other low level shields better? Thx

Ritslev

15-06-2004, 07:39

...Quick question for the group - I found a Swordback Hold shield (50% OW). This seems like a great low level shield for this build. Any downside or other low level shields better?...
I used Swordback with Toothrow for a while.. so sure go for it.

On low level shield there is also :
Sigons Set Shield (Huge block and +1 skill)
Mosers (Those 2 sockets are useful for others things than resistance)
Umbral Disk (Blind Target)

but Swordback is definatly better. Level 15 I mean come on how low level can you get such a good stat as : 50% open wounds... it's a keeper cause the damage increase as your level do. (Note : see open wounds section of the build. 3.1 I beleive it is.. or right around there)

Good luck

Ritslev

15-06-2004, 07:52

Um...quick Q about this build. How viable is Lightsaber, not as an end game, but mid game weapon?
Lightsaber + Baranas are great mid level weapons

ehawk

16-06-2004, 18:16

has served my assasin well. I am at lvl 74 and have not found anything better.

Darqness

17-06-2004, 07:38

I would like to start my post by saying hello to everyone. And secondly I would like to congradulate Ritslev for bringing such a wonderful experience to the Diablo II community. For some months I have been playing with this build. I use all of the equipment that Ritslev has listed in his guide except for a few that I have been unforunate to obtain. These are the Jah rune(which is to be put into the sockted StormLash), and the Lightning facet jewels. My Blade Fury Assassin now level 86 is doing quite well, but is also experiencing some difficulty in getting some kills in Hell difficulty in the Worldstone Keep 2 and so forth. I was wondering if not having ITD in the build currently is what is truely holding me back.

Ritslev

17-06-2004, 08:15

...I would like to congradulate Ritslev for bringing such a wonderful experience to the Diablo II community. ...
Thank you for the praise it is much appreciated.
..My Blade Fury Assassin now level 86 is doing quite well, but is also experiencing some difficulty in getting some kills in Hell difficulty in the Worldstone Keep 2 and so forth. I was wondering if not having ITD in the build currently is what is truely holding me back...
There is no doubt if you are using the gear I have recommended, and the stats .. you are missing out with the lack of Jah.
You see my build doesn't focus on AR, not a whole lot at least. The lack of Jah means that you will have a very low AR and that will definately be holding you back a little... With ITD you will hit those within 5 levels of your own level 95% of the time. Without ITD you will be able to see your chance to hit, by using your normal attack .. there the attack rating will be shown.
I feel it is a great mistake that Blade Fury doesn't add AR% along with its skill points, making people invest more heavily in it. As is it's a 1 point wonder, and that is a shame as well.
I have a few recomendations, till you are so fortunate that you can get a Jah..
The no brainer :
-Test out Angelic Ring and Amulet along with Demon Blimbs Enchant.
-Test out Mohim-Oak Amulet and once more Demon Limb Amulet.

The more drastic :
-Invest in Dexterity. I have personally started to do this .. my Vitality is 300, and now I'm investing the remaining points in Dexterity.
-Drop Stormlash... Yes you heard me say it. Drop it.. and put on a Cresent Moon Runeword till you're able to get a Jah. The reason I say this is cause it has truely awesome stats and one of those is the ITD. Ye sit has less damage than the Lash, but if you hit 4/5 of your blades with Stormlash and 5/5 with your Cresent Moon then they will have balanced out. It doesn't take a lot to balance.

Lastly .. the crazy one :
- Sell your mother for a Jah rune.

Hope this helps.
SonOfRa

TheRealVertical

17-06-2004, 16:08

I just wanted to post to verify that this build can indeed solo Dclone. Did it last night with her to get my first Anni.

Took Dclone down in about 2 minutes. My lightning trapper could never scratch him. But my FurySin made short work of him.

Piece of freakin' cake.

Thanks again for the build!

rild

17-06-2004, 18:04

Darqness

17-06-2004, 18:46

Lastly .. the crazy one :
- Sell your mother for a Jah rune

Hehe I think she would resent me for that. :scratch:

Well then it looks like I defenitly need a Jah rune then I sure I can aquire one soon. I just hope its sooner then later.Oh I also have one final question regarding Duress runeword instead of Rattlecage. What would possibly be the best type of armor to put that in? Perhaps an Archon Plate?

Ritslev

17-06-2004, 19:11

...What do you think?...
What I think.. I think you got the the right idea about things.

Fleshripper is a great weapon, just don't expect it to carry you all the way through Hell diff. NM NP. Early hell NP.. late hell, well it's effeciency slows down dramatically but it's still a great weapon.

Ritslev

17-06-2004, 19:14

..Took Dclone down in about 2 minutes. My lightning trapper could never scratch him. But my FurySin made short work of him...
Jep this is a Clone Killer build too. You must have played it smart... well done and congratulations. My Furysin doesn't have an Anni. Maybe I should consider muling one to her... I've avtually been so greedy for damage that I've prioriticed a 1-40 charm over anni .. lol...

Once again congrats.

SonOfRa

Ritslev

17-06-2004, 19:18

...Oh I also have one final question regarding Duress runeword instead of Rattlecage.... Perhaps an Archon Plate?...
Well I put my runes into a Dusk Shroud, but that was purely for looks. She looks like she is wearing helmet, shield and weapon and no armor... really cool.

But any of the following armors will do in my book :
Dusk Shroud
Scarab Husk (This one is my preferance.. it' looks awesome)
Wire Fleece
Archon Plate.

High defence and light on the stama drain. Best of all the all look pretty damn cool on the Sin.

SonofRa -with-my-2-cents-

TheRealVertical

17-06-2004, 21:22

I'm a big fan of Scarab Husks as well, even though my duress is in a Wyrmhide. I was desperate for ANY 3 socket elite light armor, and that was the first one I came across. It was superior, too, so I got a little extra defense on it. I don't think it really matters too much what armor it's in as long as it's a light elite armor. The higher defense on whatever it is, the better. But they're all so close in defense at that level, it hardly matters.

PsychoticEwok1

17-06-2004, 23:26

ive got a level 76 furysin and ... well this build worked well for normal and most of NM... but past act 3 nm i just kinda gave up :( i have no doubt that it would work with the right equipment.

id say the worst thing about this build is trying to find the equipment. its such common stuff that people simply throw it out or give it to n00bies who hoard it forever (like me). i have made numerous posts in normal and assassin and trade channels, like "Searching for Gores, Guillaumes, 3 Sock Zerker Axe, 3 sock archon plate, stormlash! /w *beavercheese if u have!" and lets see... about 3 replies. these replies were "I have gores. WuG?", "i have gores! meet me in game -----" and "i have 3 soc zerker! wut u have?"

my rich b.net friend offered to give me stuff, but he throws rattlecages, stormlashes, and zerker axes out.

wheres the best place to find this stuff? im imagining cows for the socketed stuff, Nm baal for guillaume, and hell travincal/pit/pindle runs for everything else.

goddamit, i left my account for 10 days and my mules expired. otherwise i MIGHT have been able to grab that zerker. curze blizzards timers!

Ritslev

18-06-2004, 00:16

..id say the worst thing about this build is trying to find the equipment. its such common stuff that people simply throw it out or give it to n00bies who hoard it forever (like me)...
There is no doubt that the hardest part of this guide is the hunt... for equipment. You're too right that this gear is usually thrown away or people who keep it want elite for it, which is ludicris. I am though sorry that you gave up.
The guide was made cause I got tired of all the elite gear. I got tired of having to be level 9X to do anything serious in this game. So while yes it's hard as hell to get the equipment, it is a customizable build, and there aren't that many of those around.
Meaning not many builds leave you with 60+ skills to use as you please at level 70.
..wheres the best place to find this stuff? im imagining cows for the socketed stuff, Nm baal for guillaume, and hell travincal/pit/pindle runs for everything else..
Personally I -RARELY- goto the channels. I create games instead.
Game names which I have used :

N Stormlash
NEth3SocKCrypSword

etc...
while in these games I just do runs for XP and for items... I max stay in a game for 5 min.
While this as been lucky for me and I've not had to wait long I have also paid over price at times... to me I don't really care, for example my 3 Socketed Etheral Cryptic Sword I paid a Stormshield for.... he was laughing all the way to the bank, but I was pleased... see this Cryptic Sword with 3 Sockets was worth it to me.. I still have it and today I wouldn't trade it for Enigma or what ever is high price these days.

That people 'throw' away Stormlash kinda amaze me but ok.. If anyone find an Etheral Stormlash.. feel free to throw it at me... I mean I'll even thank you for it.

SonOfRa - Hoping you'll find the energy to once more start the build..

Note : At times I take a break from the Fury as well but I always end up playing her again.. We all need a break/pause... maybe you just hit that place...

EE40ozToFreedom

18-06-2004, 02:11

People throw away stormslashes? I had the impression they were expensive.... Anyone know how much i can get one for on Ladder Us West

When i get my guy into hell ill post my stats if ur still doing them

TheRealVertical

18-06-2004, 17:53

I sincerely doubt anyone throws away a Stormlash... ever. Even if they can't use it, it's very valuable in the trade community. You must be thinking of something else. Seriously. That's like throwing away a HoZ.

I'm thinking of starting a FurySin Eq. Charity Mule, where every time I find something a FurySin could use, I'll throw it on that mule. Then anyone who needs it could just PM me or something and I'll check my mule.

PsychoticEwok1

18-06-2004, 19:36

yep. this "friend" of mine is what you would call "loaded." hes in my study hall, so i talk to him personally. well, he and his friends all share the same few accounts... so its almost always being used. i asked him if he would trade me a stormlash and a 3 socket ethereal berzerker axe... and he laughed. he just says "why the **** do you want those? they suck. I throw em away." god, if he ever needs to throw away stormlashes, guillaumes helm, and shael, um, and tir runes and 3 socket berzerker axes, ill take em any day.

oh, i already have the strength, im not particularly stringent when it comes to stats like strength, so do you think a 3 socket ethereal berzerker axe is good for crescent moon? is it worth the repair costs to get a superior one?

also, one question which i have not had answered yet: Does Stormlash have %chance to cast static on striking? i was lookin at it online and it said it didnt. If it doesnt, and you use one Ritslev, where do you get your static casts from?

PsychoticEwok1

18-06-2004, 19:43

sorry to post again, but my edit button is messed up (my computer is having ALOT of trouble with the internet lately, it never updates pages even if i hit refresh, so i just realized that ive been looking at a two week old strategy forum. i think it wont accept cookies or something)

anyway, thats a good idea there therealvertical. ill take some :)

ritslev, your post inspired me to go MF nightmare baal some more. cya

ShakeitLikeasin

19-06-2004, 00:07

I upped my Rattlecage 2 days before Duress came out, so if anyone needs, I will gladly contribute to the cause. I love my sin, she's such an alternative build, and I love the fact that it uses different gear. Don't give up ewok, you should be able to trade for the items in nm or norm games like Ritslev mentioned, then go make a hell game for the stormlash. I would also be willing to dump some high level gear on communal mules to help people trade since my mules are getting a little heavy.

ehawk

19-06-2004, 07:09

I have a spineripper, not a fleshripper (unfortunatley) but I just got an IO rune from some creature in my hell Mephisto quest. I can now make the black rune word. Im wearing duress, and shieldback hold. which weapon of the two would you use?

Naliworld

19-06-2004, 08:42

I'd make the 'Black' runeword(preferably in a Flail of some sort) and use that instead. Besides the ITD and PMH, Spineripper has little to offer Furysins...

Ritslev

19-06-2004, 10:21

...Does Stormlash have %chance to cast static on striking? i was lookin at it online and it said it didnt. If it doesnt, and you use one Ritslev, where do you get your static casts from?

Stormlash -does- have Staitc. I must have missed that last time I read your post.. but her eis a more reliable link for U to look at ...

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/umaces.shtml

Good luck
SonOfRa

Ritslev

19-06-2004, 10:26

Does no one play on Europe Realm, non-ladder... *sniffle*

I have yet to find another pure Furysin on the Europe realm, and the longer and longer this thread becomes the more and more I have a dream to see a hell game, where 8 Furysins just thrash away at the Ancients and then move on the slay Baal.

Oh well that is perhaps just me in a nutshell
SonOfRa

PsychoticEwok1

19-06-2004, 17:30

heh... hows the economy over in NL europe? here in usEAST NL its saturated with duped zods, 3/20/20s, 290s, BOTDs and enigmas, u name it.

Xeph

19-06-2004, 23:43

Ritslev

20-06-2004, 01:20

Ok this is weird..

I've never been into trading and most of the time I sell my stuff for really cheaply.. But today something really weird just happened..

I created a Second Duress Armor, in a Wire Fleece.. just cause I wanted to see if I could do better... On the defence.. I got greedy.

For my greed I ended up with a 10% ed high defence armor (much worse than my 20% ed one now).. not a good start to my tale.. I know.

But then some guy just traded me an Anni for it.. a 1/13/16/6.. Anni
I mean ok so now my Blade Fury Assasin has an Anni. I never thought that'd happen.

Pretty weird. That leaves me though with something of a dilema.

My Shield is socketed with Um. I don't need Um now. I'll have max resistance in hell with Fade + Gear now... and well what do I do now..

Options :
1 : Trade for a new Tiamat and socket that with???
-??? What.. what should I socket it with (Maybe Shael for Faster block/Or Eld for higher % chance of BLocking... lol who'ed ever think I*d be searching for an Eld rune.)
2 : Use the Hell Quest and unsocket the Tiamt since I doubt anyone will want a Tiamat with Um.. for a Tiamat.

------

Hello Xeph.. if you're on Europe.. is that then your Account? I'd like to meet.

(Nonladder of course)

Son Of Ra

Xeph

20-06-2004, 02:43

Yeah, I play Europe Non-ladder too, My account is *Burnoutfire3 :howdy:

I'd Say Faster block rate... Then youll 'recover from block animation' quicker and lose less dmg... :thumbsup:

Darqness

20-06-2004, 06:50

Well what about adding a 5/5 lightning facet jewel to that Tiamat? Though Xeph does make an excellent point regarding the faster block rate.

Ritslev

20-06-2004, 09:08

Well what about adding a 5/5 lightning facet jewel to that Tiamat? Though Xeph does make an excellent point regarding the faster block rate.

Facet .. didn't think of that.. oh well I think that is the way to go. See chances of me blocking are slim, 32% ATm to be precise, and I doubt i*ll get much higher, so I'm not interubted while casting BF that often.. I tested it and it's rarely, very rarely to be honest.

I think I'll do the Facet though.

Thanks guys.
SonOfRa

Ritslev

20-06-2004, 12:09

Stormlash.. and the new Facet in Tiamat.. along with Anni.. new daamge :

613-3144 (With Venom + Enchant)... still with room for Horadric Cube in Inventory..

Not too bad if I say so myself..

Thanks for the advice.. BTW I was only able to get a 3/5 Facet but I gathered that the lower enemy resistance was more important than damage since i don't ahve a lightning skill damage.

So now -9% Lightning Resistance on the attack .. not bad at all considering if I put on my Cresent moon I get damage

632-2803.. (with enchant and Venom... same as above)
though here I'll have a -44% lightning resistance... Sheesh this is cool.

Heh
Thanks
SonOfRa (Now working to break 3500 barrier)

Darqness

20-06-2004, 17:50

I'm glad I was of some help Ritslev. I figured that the lightning facet jewel would be of some use seeing how that is exactly what I did recently. I also aquired an anni so that left me with the open socket of Tiamat. With some trading I was able to aquire the two lightning facet jewels, an anni, and a Jah(and I didn't even need to sell my mother). I've made the decision to remake my fury sin...yes restart all over again. I had some much fun building this character the first time that I wanted to go back and see where certain equipment might have made the difference. For example I never tried the Malice runeword with my fury sin, nor did I ever try a Cresent Moon. Of course I could just equipt her with that equipment now, but I would also like to see the beginning results. I have one problem though. I've been able to aquire most of the equipment to start my second Fury sin except for a few things like a Rattlecage, and a Guilmenes Face. I also don't want to strip my current Fury sin of her equipment. So if anyone has these for trade on East SC Ladder please let me know.

ShakeitLikeasin

20-06-2004, 19:11

Darqness

21-06-2004, 01:49

Hehe well thank you for the offer Shakeitlikeasin but I just actually got a rattlecage not to long ago. I still need the helm so if you have an extra please keep me in mind everyone. I tried getting one for about two hours todays. I found one person you had it, but wouldn't except my offer which was a Lidless Grim Wall....well I actually thought it would have been a fair trade but I guess not.

ScatteredFire

21-06-2004, 02:32

Ritslev:

Regarding your desire for NL Europe Furysins, I just started one. My LEast account is useless as of yesterday, and as I've always wanted to play on Europe, I've switched.

There's the slight problem of my not having anything on Europe, but hopefully I'll be Furying the Ancients with you within a week ;)

*Avarus

Xeph

21-06-2004, 03:14

Wow,
I just got to see Ra's/Ritslev's Furysin Char in action..
Damn does he kill fast! :surprise:
Heck!, Even his 'Attack animation' is insanely fast! Allowing him to shoot in ALL directions in like 1 second!! =D

I even got to see his Precious Baby! =D :worship:

Also, this guide is perfect for Leveling a PvP WWsin! (Which is usually hard to lvl if you dont do it this way)
It kinda has the same maxed skills and the gear is not much different

Nice guide! :thumbsup:

Ritslev

21-06-2004, 09:24

-Avarus
.. I've added U to my F list.. if U do the same with
*sonofra
then I'd be happy to see if I can't find something in my stashes U can use.

-Xeph
It was an esteemed pleasure meeting you.. I hope to be able to play with you in the future..

-Darqness..
Lidless for Rattle... and he wouldn't take it? You were paying over price in my book but who is counting.

SonOfRa

ScatteredFire

21-06-2004, 17:01

Well, I did message you yesterday, but you exited within 10 seconds of it :)

Is there a way to improve Fury's attack animation, or is Xeph remarking on the natural speed of the attack? I don't remember it being able to make a ring that quickly...

Excellent guide, by the way. It answered a few questions I've had for months.

Darqness

22-06-2004, 05:45

Ritslev

22-06-2004, 09:50

I don't think that there is a way to increase the speed of the attack..Blade Fury doesn't relay on increased attack speed nor on faster cast rate so I would imagine he was regarding the natural speed of the attack, then again I could be wrong here... :scratch:
It is my initial animation of BF that is unusually fast. For some reasonm without IAS (I use fade) it's cast faster than it should be. Can't explain it really it's a must see to beleive kinda thing... Dunno but we tested it and I was the one withe lower IAS yet the faster animation.

Darqness

22-06-2004, 15:54

Well I'll give you that Ritslev it certainly is unual. In that case there has to be something that determines the intial animation speed...perhaps a hidden stat something other then IAS or FCR that hasn't made itself apparent until now? Then again I could just be talking gibberish.

Ritslev

22-06-2004, 16:26

..Then again I could just be talking gibberish...
I don't know either, it just looks very odd for some reason.. *shrug*

Darqness

22-06-2004, 18:54

Well I finally traded for the helm today. And yes I over payed....a lot....but on purpose though. I had such a hard time finding someone who had it that I wanted to make sure I got it. And well I'm sure you guys know the good old saying. As long as your happy with what you got and you didn't need what you traded you got what you wanted. Now that I have the helm my new Blade Fury sin is underway. Even though I'm going to follow the build exactly the same why I did last time I believe that my killing power would be much stronger do to now have cresent moon and the jah I needed for StormLash. I know I am going to have some trouble locating some small lightning damage charms but besides that shes ready to go.

jmervyn

22-06-2004, 19:38

Hi all,
I just want to share mu 'expirience' with my 30 clvl BF sin :)
I will mention only the part of equipment that I am currently using, but I think with that equipment I will be able to reach clvl 68 in /players 8. Why 68? Because I will be ready to arm Fleshripper (this is the best weapon that I have for the moment).
So about equipment - I am using Hsarus full set and Cleglaw's sword and gloves.
Main bonuses from Hsarus are : +5 def per clvl and 10AR per clvl
The bonuses from Cleglaw's Tooth - 50% Deadly Strike 30% Bonus to Attack rating + (1.25 Per Character Level) +1-123 To Maximum Damage (Based On Character Level)
The bonuses from Cleglaw's Pincers - Slows Target by 25% Knockback + (10 Per character Level) 10-990 Attack Rating (Based On Character Level) (2 Items)
I think this is a good combination fo low (middle) levels.
What do you think?
Rgrds
Rild

I just noticed this very colorful post, and wanted to clarify - you are using Hsaru's shield rather than Cleglaw's? If so, BAAD mistake IMNSHO. The Cleg set (http://www.diabloii.net/items/item_sets/d2x-cleglaws_brace.shtml) synergy is far greater than the Hsaru set synergy for this yummy build. I've carried the full Cleg set past lvl 35 on more than one occasion - until you use/find a truly sweet weapon for the mid-game, the best CB you can get from blood gloves (10%) won't balance out with the 35% from Cleg's.

Oh, and as 'one of the worst items in the game', the shields drop like flies in early game runs.

rild

23-06-2004, 09:50

I just noticed this very colorful post, and wanted to clarify - you are using Hsaru's shield rather than Cleglaw's? If so, BAAD mistake IMNSHO. The Cleg set (http://www.diabloii.net/items/item_sets/d2x-cleglaws_brace.shtml) synergy is far greater than the Hsaru set synergy for this yummy build. I've carried the full Cleg set past lvl 35 on more than one occasion - until you use/find a truly sweet weapon for the mid-game, the best CB you can get from blood gloves (10%) won't balance out with the 35% from Cleg's.

Oh, and as 'one of the worst items in the game', the shields drop like flies in early game runs.
You are right - I just check the sinergys. The Cleglaw's synergys are better and AR comming from Hsaru's boots will stay. I will try this :)
BTW - My sin just kill Baal in normah and go trough nightmare very well.
Rgrds

EE40ozToFreedom

23-06-2004, 10:35

Hey i just got my furysin into hell and hes doing not to shabby, but i dunno if im doing it right cause it took me a while to kill nm baal in a game by myself.
heres my guy

Lvl - 74
Dmg - 1010-2632
res - 26,56,72,26
equipment:
Armor - Duress Scarab Husk
Helm - Orphans set helm
Weapon - Eth Gimmershred
Shield - Tiamats
Ring1 - Rare dual leach ring
Ring2 - Ravenfrost
Amulet - Highlords
Gloves - SoulDrainers
Boots - Goreriders
Belt - Nosferatus Coil

Max Venom and Death Sentry and near max Fade and Shadow Master

I think my guy should be pretty good but it scared me with nm Baal, I didnt lay down any traps i just venomed then faded, shadow mastered and blade fury. I dont think i had to much trouble hitting him.

Do u have any comment on my technique or equipment?

PS: my guy is pretty indestructible though, He has near max block because I had no trouble with my life so i put the rest in Dex.... Bad move?

thank you for a great guide

Ritslev

23-06-2004, 11:32

...Do u have any comment on my technique or equipment?..
Hello.. .I just ran through your gear.. And it looks good. I do have a few suggestions.

1 - Focus on DR and Resistance.. especially Resistance.
2 - Look around for a new weapon. While Gimmershred is a great weapon and yo'ull like it a lot early on, later on you'll find yourself lacking group killing ability... and that is where Static is needed,
3 - Gear seems just right... you may want to check out String of ears.. the Stealth has slow, but it's not that much in hell and anyways you ahve plenty of cold damage which also slows some.. don't know how much but it's not much ...
4 - I don't know what your vitality is.. I have 1.1 k life in Hell with gear, and I find that I can kill Souls hell 8 player games and live to tell the tale. That is thus enough life in my book. I have personally also started to pump dex, but of course I'm also lvl 90 so it's not going fast at all. It's a matter of preferance really. I prefer being able to take the hits, and occationally dodge one or two, rather than rely on dodging to stay alive... since you could run into those situations where the chance to dodge just doesn't favor you.

Son of Ra

jmervyn

23-06-2004, 19:22

You are right - I just check the sinergys. The Cleglaw's synergys are better and AR comming from Hsaru's boots will stay. I will try this :)
BTW - My sin just kill Baal in normah and go trough nightmare very well.
Rgrds

Keep in mind that I'm HCL only, and I'm certain that there is more 'tolerance' for character death in lower SC levels. Likewise getting equipment can be much dicier, hence my continued use of Cleg's - the gloves are the only itam of the 3 that isn't (considered) worthless & plentiful.

I've got at least 2 bladesins rigged with full Cleg set and Hsaru boot/belt setup. Leaves helm, armor, and jewelry free - now if I had an Angelic ammy I'd be tricked out...

Incidentally, I notice from the last couple of posts that people continue to use venom, which I was staying away from this time. However, I wasn't sure if it was going to be worth stacking more points into fade, or going back on the venom track. Opinions? Various bladesin levels (developing & mules included) are 37, 32, 15, and 12.

EE40ozToFreedom

24-06-2004, 10:06

Hello.. .I just ran through your gear.. And it looks good. I do have a few suggestions.

1 - Focus on DR and Resistance.. especially Resistance.
2 - Look around for a new weapon. While Gimmershred is a great weapon and yo'ull like it a lot early on, later on you'll find yourself lacking group killing ability... and that is where Static is needed,
3 - Gear seems just right... you may want to check out String of ears.. the Stealth has slow, but it's not that much in hell and anyways you ahve plenty of cold damage which also slows some.. don't know how much but it's not much ...
4 - I don't know what your vitality is.. I have 1.1 k life in Hell with gear, and I find that I can kill Souls hell 8 player games and live to tell the tale. That is thus enough life in my book. I have personally also started to pump dex, but of course I'm also lvl 90 so it's not going fast at all. It's a matter of preferance really. I prefer being able to take the hits, and occationally dodge one or two, rather than rely on dodging to stay alive... since you could run into those situations where the chance to dodge just doesn't favor you.

Son of Ra

thnx for the comments ill change the coil for the string for the DR and ill take the others into consideration.

thank you so much again! :winner:

Nurlipus

26-06-2004, 04:37

Well first off, great guide :) Got my furysin to 83 now and she is great fun to play. I went for a more defensive build, only 10 in fade, using SS and a metalgrid to make up the DR and resists. Using tgods belt rather than a string too since I don't need the DR. I also went for an act1 rogue merc just for something different (all my other chars use act2 mercs), and she is a big help especially in getting that first corpse to drop for DS.

Anyway, couple of questions:
Since I saved 10 points from fade, is there another skill that it's worth putting these extra points in? I have 9 - 10 or so saved right now just sitting there (I have all the standard skills maxed, only 1 in BF etc).

My damage is a little low I feel, max is about ~1800 using regular stormlash with venom + enchant. How on earth did you get that up to 3k? :p Just load up on light dmg charms? I only have 1 or 2 of them atm, and no facets, so maybe that is the problem I guess. Just seems a big difference to make up with only charms.

Thanks and once again, great guide :D

Ritslev

26-06-2004, 11:31

Anyway, couple of questions:
Since I saved 10 points from fade, is there another skill that it's worth putting these extra points in? I have 9 - 10 or so saved right now just sitting there (I have all the standard skills maxed, only 1 in BF etc)..
Well you could go different routes .. all depending on what you fell like so I'll list all those I've done :

1 : Pump Fire Blast for more Death Sentry Shots - I liked this one cause I only had to place 1 Death Sentry, but got tired of it cause the damage wasn't enough and cause as fast as I could place all 5 traps it wasn't of any use to me.
2 : Pump Blade Fury - You need Damage and at level 20 it does give additional 90 damage. People can say all they want that this isn't a lot, but still it doesn't suffer a 3/4 penalty so that is an option that at least should be considered if nothing else
3 : Try getting Blade Shield - For the coolness effect. Not that great in effect but i'ts a last defence and it looks great. BUT A NOTE ON THIS! If you're using Blade Shield with an Etheral weapon, to my knowledge -durability- WILL go down. I could be wrong but I never did want to test it with my Cryptic Eth Sword.
4 : Mind Blast - max it and go the Convert route. I tried this and had a blast, but it was only fun in single player games, people in multi player games (groups) hated it cause it made us have to wait around to kill stuff)
5 : This one is my current project. With merely 15 skills, is it possible to make a good kicker... I've been testing with +skill claws, and so far I*ve not been too disappointed. I find that I lack speed, due to using fade rather than BoS and fr this reason may drop the idea.. but it'd be nice if others tested this idea.
6 :Go Dual claw and pump Weapon Block - Well since i started this build Block was always a problem, so I tested the Dual weapon idea. With only 3 points in this skill I had more block then I did with my Tiamat. On this I'm still debating. I loose Tiamats +200 effective damage and 35% resistance, but gain an actual chance to block. The Claw I was using as an add on was Jade Talon obviously due to the Resistance... since none of the mods transfer to Blade Fury I looked at seconddary mods...

Well this is what I've tested, so if any of these catch your interest.. let me know and I*ll elaborate a little.
...My damage is a little low I feel, max is about ~1800 using regular stormlash with venom + enchant. How on earth did you get that up to 3k? :p Just load up on light dmg charms? I only have 1 or 2 of them atm, and no facets, so maybe that is the problem I guess. Just seems a big difference to make up with only charms.....

Without Charms but with Venom and Enchant and Gear : 556 - 1995
Naked without any gear at all.. with Venom and Enchant and Charms : 494 - 1517
With Charms and Gear as well as Venom and Enchant : 663 - 3144

My stash if filled with 1-39+ small charms and 1-80+ medium charms of pure lightning. It's quite a lot of damage it delivers especially with the -10% enemy resistance (I upgraded my Facets) on to hit. I still have room for my Cube so I'm quite pleased with that part of the setup.

Son Of Ra

Nurlipus

26-06-2004, 12:51

With Charms and Gear as well as Venom and Enchant : 663 - 3144

What is your AR like with that setup? I'm at about 6700 AR with enchant so wondering if I should give up some of my +ar charms for more damage..

Added some charms tonight which gave me about another +100 dmg, and if I switch to tiamats/string I get just over 2k which isn't too bad I think. Not sure if I want to lose the 20% DR and 25% block though..

I guess I'll try to pick up some more charms and a light facet or two and see where that gets me.

As for skills, think I will go for the fire blast route at this stage, but I'm saving them for a bit until I'm sure. The other thing I was thinking about was spending 4 points to get dragon flight, since I'm lazy and like teleporting places ;)

Anyway, thanks for your comments, I think it's a sign of a good build that there are so many options for it. :)

Ritslev

26-06-2004, 13:03

What is your AR like with that setup? .....Anyway, thanks for your comments, I think it's a sign of a good build that there are so many options for it. :)...
My AR isn't that important.. Level 90.. Using Lash with Jah for Ignore Target Defence.. vs Bosses I have I believe 2.6 k and that is plenty for some reason.
I take down Bosses just as fast as I do normal monsters (close .. Baal is a bit tough but the other bosses go down fast)... Baal I am pushed back constantly by his Cold attack.. I found out that if I stand against a wall or something I keep my animation up and I'm not interubted... I take damage yes, but with the DR/resistance and LL I manage quite nicely ... Baal is the only one that takes me a little time.. (1 minute or so)

I never went for the SS idea, simply cause it lacks resistance and resistance is more important to me than DR as a 'caster' type character.

Dragon Flight is a good idea, I've not tried/considered it but I kinda like that idea...
Thank you for the compliment.. Versatility is why I like this build and why I stick with it..

SonOfRa

Ritslev

26-06-2004, 16:27

Well I've been looking now and looking and looking some more on Europe Realm and damn one thing I can't seem to find is :

Etheral Stormlash (high%)

Anyone know what the max daamge is on an Eth 300% version of Stormlash.. ... one can always dream

ScatteredFire

27-06-2004, 20:42

Quick question:

Level 61 Furysin (NL Europe)
Weapon: Hexfire
Shield: Tiamat's Rebuke
Helmet: Natalya's Visage
Amulet: Magekiller's Amulet (+1 Assassin skills)
Armor: Rattlecage, socketed with a Light Facet
Boots: Goblin Toe
Belt: String of Ears
Gloves: Mavina's Icy Clutch
Ring: Cathan's Seal
Ring: Manald Heal

Any suggestions as to the equipment?

My skills are:

(Pre-requisites)
20 Venom
20 Shadow Master
1 Blade Fury
12 Death Sentry

Ritslev

28-06-2004, 18:22

Well ok I've gotten myself a 241% etheral lash. Damage 409... not a bad upgrade from my 317 damage .. that is +75 damage.. closing in on the 3500 magical barrier. Close to 3300 (617-3345 hehe to be precise) now. I'll post exact numbers later.

Thanks David_Perkins I know those Lightning Skillers will be put to good use.

So now I'm working to getting that all godly - 29x%..

Man this isn't half bad.

Hehe Can't wait to use it.

Ritslev

28-06-2004, 23:07

.. 241% etheral lash...

Just got it upgrade to 256%... ahh only have 34% to go (I'm a joke I know it)

Ritslev

28-06-2004, 23:25

...256%.....
Whee hee.. got a 278% now. Damage booming : 621 - 3441

wvx_leader_returns

29-06-2004, 21:53

Nice looking guide there.

jmervyn

30-06-2004, 19:18

Whee hee.. got a 278% now. Damage booming : 621 - 3441

Not to wave my ignorance around like a banner, but are you somehow re-upgrading the same lash?

Also, IMHO ScatteredFire would do well with crafting some Blood gloves, and with cubing, gambling, or crafting a better ammy. Anyone have a better idea?

PsychoticEwok1

30-06-2004, 19:40

wow.

thats all i can say, so i'll say it again.

wow.

WOW!

well, when you said that one piece of gear can either make or break the build, you were right.

just traded a Jade Talon off for a pair of Gore Riders (156 def i beleive... good trade value-wise? dont care if i overpaid, jsut wanna know). i put those bad boys on and BOOM. 15% CB, 10% OW and 10% deadly strike all make a defference.

also borrowed a Nord's Tenderizer off a friend for the AR and much better damage. i WAS using a razors edge tomahawk... terrible.

so i was out with my friend, (hes got a poison necro) and we were doin act 5 quests in hell, and i found that i can actally KILL things. Freed up the soldiers, he was gettin mauled by those demon imps (donno why, he has great equip) That used to happen to me, but now my shadow is lvl 16 (one level left!!). she distracts em, i plunk down my level 5 CoS, MB a few times, meanwhile she's brought down at least one, so i stick a few Death Sentries down, then fury em. its slow right now, but getting better.

level 76 Furysin

20 venom, 16 SM, 20 fade, 1 BF

Nords Tenderizer
Tiamats Rebuke w/ perf diamond (screw those 3 resists, i need UM runes for duress and crescent moon)
Gore Riders
Soul Drainers (btw, now that i have AR and i HIT them, i find weaken casting ALOT)
String of Ears
Blackhorns Face w/ UM rune (had it in 1.09 patch when i was wealthier, gave it to friend when i quit, he gave it back when i started again, my old acct was deleted)
some REALLY crappy rare armor with 25x defense, minor resists, replenish life +5
Mahim Oak amulet (might change it out, was using it for the ar, but dont need now w/ nords)
cathans ring
manald heal ring
1x 1-26 light damage charm

damage with venom - 830-1270
damage without venom - 492-917

resists in hell without fade - -30, -11, 19, -22
resists in hell WITH fade - 34, 53, 75, 42

stats w/ gear - 155str (for zerker axe), 90, 220, 35
~840 life, 155 mana
1240 def
1139 AR

ehawk

30-06-2004, 20:10

If you get a chance to make the Runeword Duress, you will see another leap in effectiveness. I do not have a good weapon, or boots, so when I added my Duress I saw a HUGE improvement. Something to think on.

wow.

thats all i can say, so i'll say it again.

wow.

WOW!

Ritslev

30-06-2004, 20:12

..Not to wave my ignorance around like a banner, but are you somehow re-upgrading the same lash?...
Oh I wish I wis. I wish I could simply upgrade! But no. I'm trading for entirely new Stormlashes... at once i had 3 lashes in my stash.. 1 normal (297% with Jah) and then 2 etheral.. ATM I have only 1 left... my 278%.. But I'm holding my breath for a 290+% one, of course I'm expecting to pay 4 high runes or so but to me it's worth it.. to others perhaps not.. but in the end I'll have paid a 297% Stormlash and 9 Lighting Skillers for it all.. I've been trading back and forth.. back and forth and is ATM sitting with 4 High Runes and an Etheral Lash. Now I just have ot find a 290+% one and someone willing ot trade it. But if it was possible to upgrade.. lol Oh I wish.

Also, IMHO ScatteredFire would do well with crafting some Blood gloves, and with cubing, gambling, or crafting a better ammy. Anyone have a better idea?
Nope and I agree. unless he can ge an Atma or a Highlord.

jmervyn

01-07-2004, 19:58

Oh I wish I wis. I wish I could simply upgrade! But no.
Too bad. I thought maybe you had stumbled upon a working cube recipie that wasn't posted. I've heard a rumor about a craft recipie other than the standard four that wasn't dumped along with the others.

Who knows what benevolence the ladder reset might bring (ladder-only crafts, bu-yah!).

Since I'm going to be dumping the only remaining SC chars I have after the reset, I've been wondering something. With so much attention on the godly stuff like Crescent Moon, are we ignoring the not-so-bright items available at lower levels?

I recall having a claw assn using a Diggler up through lvl 30 just for giggles, but there's a slew of daggers and weak stuff with the mods bladesins need. F'rinstance, my < lvl 40 HCL is using a Coldsteel Eye/Zak's Hand combo, and Heart Carver/Spineripper/Gnasher/Knell Striker/Crushflange would all seem to have some utility (even Humongous, if you're a glutton for punishment).

Ritslev

02-07-2004, 10:44

While I've sworn by the Act 2 Defencive - Holy Freeze Merc. I've been able to through some lucky trades to acquire some high runes. Since I'm currently unable to find anyone with a very high %ed Eth Lash I started thinking if I should upgrade my Merc. So here comes a crazy idea which mught just work :

Doom Rune Word.
-High Damage and speed
-Holy Freeze Aura.
-Problem with no life leech so thsi has to come from other gear.
(Maybe even put on a Bramble Armor for the sake Thorns Aura)
If using this runeword, I could look at other Mercs. Now which one?

Yes I still want an Act 2 Merc. I find their 'intelligence' suits me just fine :) Their behavior I know and thus I will stick with them.

Should I though take :
A Might for more Damage and if so how much more would a level 90 merc be able to provide? (Level 90 = level 26 Might)
A Blessed Aim Merc - Well I do use ITD, so this one would purely be so I wouldn't have to use Demon Limb. Actuallly as I read this I'm leaning more and more for a Might merc.

So what I need help with is basically if someone with a Might Merc who is using a Doom Runeword, to contact me. Party with me and just mess around for 5-10 minutes, so I can see the Auras range, and the effects of Might on my damage.

Thank you.
*Sonofra

PsychoticEwok1

03-07-2004, 04:40

or you could go a defiance merc for more defense, but fade and good armor and sheild should have that covered.

id go might.

Also,

im hardly having any luck on the trade forums

so, anyone with a 3 open socket archon plate, 3 open socket ethereal berzerker axe, guillaumes face, or 1 or 2 UM runes, head over to my trade thread (http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=216565) and post for my trades. its on USEAST.

or, whisper me on bnet. *beavercheese

ya know, i had my doubts, but the sin is my favorite character. i imagain after guillaumes, duress, or crescent moon, ill be alot more powerful.

right now my armor is... well, lets say that my armor provides me with 244 defense and the cool red-pants look of the sin (my fav). and thats it.

i simply want a duress archon plate so she isnt running around in a thong. i like the all-black look... when faded in the shadows, shes invisible :D

Ritslev

03-07-2004, 07:49

...ya know, i had my doubts, but the sin is my favorite character. i imagain after guillaumes, duress, or crescent moon, ill be alot more powerful...
You're missing some of the most important peices of the build, so trust me.. You'll be flying and in 7th heaven once you just get once peice cause you'll notice a -HUGE- boost ... especially if you get a Cresent Moon.
I would try to get the items in this order :
Guilluames.
Cresent Moon.
Duress.

That is the order of Importance to me..

...also I'm hardly having any luck on the trading forums..
Create games :
N Guillaumes
N 3 Sok (name of armor type)
N 2 x Um

etc, that has always been how I*ve been able to trade.
or :
O Xxx Xxx

The forums are great if you have very high elites ... just my observation

PsychoticEwok1

03-07-2004, 18:49

i've tried games such as "need guillaumes" or "need gface" or "bring guillaumes" or "bring um"

no one answers me on the trade values forum either, anyone on useast know if Lidless w/ ptopaz is a good trade for guilaumes? thats wut im offering. im also offering goldwrap, venom grips, and tals belt (a combined offer). no one that comes to my games wants them. "nt i dont need"

also, traded a 202% +2 ariocs needle for raven frost, 3 socket scarab husk, and a hel rune. good?

also traded jade talon for gore riders.

if you look at the link on my above post, youll see what i have for trade. is ANYTHING there worth guillaumes, 2 um runes, a 3 OS archon plate, and a 3 OS berzerker axe?

also ive been doing pit runs with about 300 mf (my sorc), not finding much.

PsychoticEwok1

05-07-2004, 00:08

i honestly think that i need armor... but i ant find any. ya see, ive been trying to get a 3 sock elite light armor for some time now. i just traded my ariocs needle for a 3 sock scarab husk, hel rune, and ravenfrost, but i tried on the scarab husk... and it doesnt look cool. shes got this heavy black thing on top, and no pants. (!) :surprise: im lookin for an archon... anyone wanna trade?
yea, i tried on guillauems with crushing blow ( it was my friends, he let me try it, doenst wanna give it up tho), and DAMN does it work good. still need better AR, even with Nords it isnt too good. 155% of 500 is only like 1200 :(.

so, hows everyone else comin on their sins? i have yet to see another furysin on all of useast. (not one!)

i did see one running around with a club and sheild, but she wasnt using fade and i didnt see her use fury at all. it was either a low level with bad gear, or a leech.

Ritslev

05-07-2004, 02:00

Well pactience is really a virtue, and the wait and effort you put into getting this gear will be worth it once you put it on for the first time and you know it's yours.

As for how its' going.... I'm looking, looking really hard for the last peice of the puzzle, an Etheral Lash with 29x% damage, once I have that my Furysin will be complete...

She is complete, aside from a small bit.. I need to change 8 small charms (they have 1-30 lightning damage) and get 4 Medium Charms : 1-80+ lightning damage.

I'm so close that I'm tempted trying to level her to 99.

PsychoticEwok1

05-07-2004, 05:41

EDIT: i had to put this first, its very important: in your guide, you say that the Runeword for duress is HelShaelUm or something like that. i was looking at runewords in the diabloii.net database, and it says duress is ThulHelUm.
which is right? now im scared to make my duress for fear of it being wrong!

well, ritslev, your right.

guillaumes rocks!

that CB is just insane... and the other stats like str and and and and... COOL

ive decided to give up on the search for the 3 os archon, nobody wants 100 def less. if i find one ill be happy, but right now im concentrating on getting 2 um runes for crescent moon and duress.

and then the absolutely unthinkably hard search will begin: finding SOMEONE on battlenet with an ethereal 3 socket berzerker axe.

can anyone tell me what the difference in damage is between an ethereal weapon and a regular one?

cuz it just might not be worth the search for an eth zerker axe crescent moon, because no one would keep the eth ones because they would break and mercs cant use em.

thinking about trading my currently in use by my furysin Mahim Oak Curio Amulet for Atma's Scarab. Will this be worth the AR bonus (and stat/resist sacrifice) once I get the ITD crescent moon?
go for 99. that'd just be cool. whatever you do, dont delete her :D

te500cdt

05-07-2004, 06:28

Hello, this is my first time logging and posting in this forum and I just had several problem posting my message. Not sure how this thing works so I have to keep this short hoping this message work. now my assassin is approaching lvl 86 and I am still weak, I would appreciate any advice. I consider myself a poor player and from the very beginning I knew I wouldn't be able to afford an ethereal stormlash so I thought to create an "army" to offset the weakness of my assassin... I used Beast zerker axe to create the fanaticism so that my Might merc would hit faster. He is using Bonehew, Leviathan, Tal mask. I am thinking of using Crescent Moon on a Hyperion Spear or Mancatcher and put IAS jewels in maybe Griz armor and other helm so he could hit the fastest speedbreak. That would take care of the static field I lack and he can hit faster than me. He will be closer to targets too. I also call the bear for help in 8 player game soloing Pit. Not too often, though, as people curse at you for not joining the party in quest games. Meaningless to solo in Baal run game as good groups usually finish fast even before I finish Pit run. I heard many people use maphack that's why. I was still using Angelic armor, amulet and 2 rings because it's just so hard to let go the AR that fanaticism boosts. This is really a big problem because I am losing 3 spots for better rings and amulet. I used them because they could give me 100% mf and +1 skill and 75 life and some dex, that's all. I recently made Lionheart on sharktooth armor cuz it looks a bit better than being naked in high defense elite armor. I thought I could always give it to my witchwild string zon that I hardly play since the str requirement is 88. Not sure if it's a good idea, though. My base str is 110 and now it's like 200 after all the equipment. maybe should leave my str at 96 and sacrifice defense instead. The set bonus from Orphan is very nice but I knew I would have to let them go someday. I use Lavagout to get the lvl 10 enchant at the beginning of each game and then switch to Laying of Hand or Soul Drainer depends on where I go. Can't afford Dracul's. It's tedious as I have to run back to town to get other gloves. And since I am already losing the bonus on Orphan set I thought might as well let go the 75% block on Orphan shield and put on Lanceguard for its 20% deadly strike that I hardly notice working. Is it ok? I am doing only 2k damage even after the Might merc helps and the Venom.. I did think about making Passion weapon since it's cheaper and I can get Heart of Wolvrine but I thought Beast is still better than Passion..

Ritslev

05-07-2004, 07:52

..you say that the Runeword for duress is HelShaelUm or something like that. ...
http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?p=1722542#post1722542
The Duress Armor : ShaelUmThul
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/runewords.shtml
there is your verification.
I hope you've not made a mistake.
..but right now im concentrating on getting 2 um runes for crescent moon and duress..
I think that is a good move..
.can anyone tell me what the difference in damage is between an ethereal weapon and a regular one?
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/basics.shtml
- Weapons: +50% base damage.
So having a 71 max damage normal Beserker or a 106 one will have a large impact on your end damage. About 150 difference to be precise.. and with a 3/4 penalty that is a lot of damage you'll loose. Since one of the MAJOR forces of Blade Fury is that it doesn't use durability, stick it out and wait. Nt using durability is like telling any melee player -- Don't use Life Leech
..thinking about trading my currently in use by my furysin Mahim Oak Curio Amulet for Atma's Scarab..
That would be a good trade. See it's not the AR U use it for.. but the Amp Damage Aura.

I can sense some frustration with everything and I wish I could help. Now I don't know what you trade, nor how you trade, but I hope you realize that things take time.. Normally 1 trade takes me days.. My Cryptic Sword Etheral 3 Sockets.. that took me over 4 weeks to get. But I waited, I was yes impatient at times but I didn't settle for less, and that is kinda what I think you shouldn't either. The wait will be worth it.

I won't delete her.. :) I hope these things help you man.

Ritslev

05-07-2004, 08:23

... I used Beast zerker axe to create the fanaticism so that my Might merc would hit faster. He is using Bonehew, Leviathan, Tal mask. I am thinking of using Crescent Moon on a Hyperion Spear or Mancatcher and put IAS jewels in maybe Griz armor and other helm so he could hit the fastest speedbreak....
Hands down.. you should be the one using the Cresent Moon.
I think you're missing something in this build. It's not the total damage, the high damage that does the work in bringing your monsters life down. Its the initial casting of Static + Crushing Blow + Open Wounds.
The damage is to finish them off faster. So while you tried out a Beast, which is a great Runeword with : Crushing Blow + Open wounds + Prevent Monster Heal... it's not a very good runeword for a Balde Fury Assasin.
The Open Wounds you can get 100% from Malice for example a low level rune word that can carry its own weight way into later NM and early Hell. You should relook at the stats of the Moon.
..That would take care of the static field I lack and he can hit faster than me. He will be closer to targets too....
There is no way a Merc will ever be able to hit faster than you. Your speed with BF is maxed, all the IAS jewels in the world wouldn't max his speed with the weapons you've proposed.
A merc is better to cast Static if he uses : Hwanins Refuge Armor. (Hwanins Majesty Set)
He is a tank and tanks gets hit a lot. Get that armor isntead of give him the Cresent Moon runeword. 10 monsters knicking down at him will set it off a lot. ...
Or if you can afford it.. give him both the armor + the runeword.. that just means U need a mean LL + Life Helmet
..I was still using Angelic armor, amulet and 2 rings because it's just so hard to let go the AR that fanaticism boosts. .
My sympathies.. but if you switched to a Cresent Moon the ITD would take care of this problem... not only freeing up your rings + amulet, but also providing you with a better weapon. Don't just look at the damage state, but at the stats. The Blade Fury assasin is a 'stat' build. Carefully weighed and measure to fit. You don't have to let anything go, just also to be on the safe side get yourself a Demon Limb on the switch so if you really need AR U can 'enchant' yourself.
.. I recently made Lionheart ... maybe should leave my str at 96 and sacrifice defense instead. The set bonus from Orphan is very nice but I knew I would have to let them go someday. I use Lavagout to get the lvl 10 enchant at the beginning of each game and then switch to Laying of Hand or Soul Drainer depends on where I go. Can't afford Dracul's. It's tedious as I have to run back to town to get other gloves. And since I am already losing the bonus on Orphan set I thought might as well let go the 75% block on Orphan shield and put on Lanceguard for its 20% deadly strike that I hardly notice working. Is it ok? I am doing only 2k damage even after the Might merc helps and the Venom..
[Note on the following - I am trying to help]
I feel you've gone entirely wrong on this ... The substitutions of gear you have choosen don't work together. Switching out one part of gear will also mean you have to switch another. The gear I have choosen is balanced down to the last peice. (Except the rings which you can basically do with what you want).
Here is what you should aim for, and do it now before it's too later :

The Top 3 :
Boots: Goreriders nothing else will do. I wo'nt even explain this one.
Helmet : Guillaumes Face nothing else will do. I wo'nt even explain this one.
Gloves : Soul Drainers nothing else will rival it. You'r esuing it for the Weaken stat, so your merc will survive longer as a tank and you will as well.

Medio :
Armor : Lionheart is a good armor... Duress ALL the way. You could use a Rattlecage but if you can afford it get a Duress.
Shield : Tiamat. Yes TIAMAT! Resistance and +200 elemental damage (after 3/4 penalty from Blade Fury)... You speak of Max Block.. which is great, but you also seem to ask for damage. In my experience you don't need max block but you do need more damage.. always need more damage. With Fade providing Damage reduction. Weaken making this better and your gear as well. having max resistances and damage reduction will be worth more than dodge.
Beserker or Cryptic Sword Etheral Cresent Moon runeword : GET THIS!

Low Importance :
Amulet : Highlords Wrath has that nice Critical Strike adder.
Ring1 : A Ravensfrost for that damage + cannot be frozen.
Ring2 : Feel free to get what you want.

Don't mess with this setup till you're 'very' confident in what you're doing.

Stats :
Strength 125 : You don't need this much you can settle for 115 depending on your armor. I'm for esthetics... I don't like 121.. nor 111.. not 101... not even 124.. No.. 50 ... or 75.. 100. 125 or 150. I want a factor of 25. I'm a nut like that.

Notes on Deadly / Critical Strike.. Just cause you do'nt notice it doesn't mean it's not there.. trust me IT'S THERE!!!

Lastly... Passion Runeword is horrible for a Blade Fury Assasin or his Merc... sorry no two ways around it. You need to put your beloved Beast aside and then sit down and think this through. Cause you seem to be confused on what to do.

Static or Crushing Blow.
STATIC!!! Static is what makes you viable in hell a lot of the time. A single stat that has a godly potential in the right hands. It just happens that the Blade Fury assasin hapen to be on that list.

I may sound a bit rough here and I'm sorry if I come across that way, but you have put some peices together that just don't work. They even counter each other a little. Go back to the guide and reread it.
Then ask yourself do I want to make this character like this .. only you can answer that, but I can't guarentee the equipment you've choosen to have any positive effect in Hell 8 Player games... I can guarentee the gear I suggest. So up to you to walk the tightrope I've put out there ... or climb back down. There is no two way around it either.

SonOfRa

FrozenSolid

05-07-2004, 09:16

First of all Great Guide :thumbsup:
Ive always liked BF but b4 v 1.10 it was only good and fun in act 1-2 normal.
I cant wait to get started on my new Bladesin.
Im planning on maxing Venom first for the dmg and then SM for a tank.
But what should I max after that? LS or Fade? Or maybe I should put points into them equally?

Ritslev

05-07-2004, 12:05

...
But what should I max after that? LS or Fade? Or maybe I should put points into them equally?..

1 DEATH sentry (NOT MAX LIGHT SENTRY)
Max Fade.
Max Death Sentry.
in that order

te500cdt

05-07-2004, 15:42

Hi, thanks for the reply. Really appreciate your feedback. I do have some questions and perhaps they will raise some disagreements, though. First of all, the reason why I thought of making merc have Crescent Moon is that he does have attack speedbreak. With a decent unique weapon that I figured everyone can find he might be hitting at 7-9 frames while with lvl 9 Fanaticism using a Bonehew he is hitting at 6 frame. And I was wrong about him wearing Tal mask, I actually put Crown of Thief on him to have that 12% LL. At this lvl he has a defense of around 3200 and causing about 1200-4200 damage. I thought of using Crescent Moon Hyperion Spear or Mancatcher when I noticed he is quite a tanker even in a 8 player game. As everyone know, Duriel, Baal, and those necro-like knights in act 4 can cause some problems. And it is a no brainer to put Mind Blast to work in cow games or on Baal's minions. and I suppose that due to his decent defense he rarely get hit because I hardly see any hit recovery animation on him. Act 2 Merc has very bad hit recovery, might be as bad as Sorc and Druid. and I know with some adjustment he will be hitting at 5 frames using Crescent Moon without much interruption. I do understand I can't really prove it till I actually make it and it's true that Bonehew has 50% chance of casting Bone Spear which is the reason why he was casting it non-stop. And this is the reason why I think Hwanin set isn't a good idea, he should not get hit at all. Second, the other factor that causes the % landed on monster is our character lvl compared to our targets, not just the AR. With around 6k AR that I normally have or 9k after the Lavagout enchant I am merely doing 60-68% on Baal. And according to all sources and personal and friends experience we all confirm that the lvl gaps between players and targets make the difference. I found out that other than Baal, I am doing just about 80-95% on other monsters I frequently see in game. I consider this fact sad because I don't really intend to lvl it all the way to 99. I am just a poor casual gamer who doesn't have good gears. and I feel bad that some players with lesser gears might get frustrated from this but this is part of the game. I did follow the other parts of the guide using Orphan set helm, Gorerider, and occassionally Soul Drainer. The reason for Lionheart armor is that I thought my zon can use that too and Sharktooth armor looks mean, no other reasons. I long ago did have 2 Tiamats but traded both of them away for some decent mid runes thinking I can always find them... Once my % of hitting improves, I may remove one of the two Angelic rings and replace it with either Ravenfrost or some rare rings. and I always knew that my main weakness is lack of elemental damage which will be taken care of some time. I really want to make her a nice mf character so that's why I use complete Orphan set and 3 piece of Angelic set and with Gheed charm and some mf sc I had about 250 in mf. Then I started to realize that she just can't do it all. Still, lack of elemental charms in inventory put her in bad situation and I will take care of that later. You see, the problem is that I carry both town and ID tomes, 2 shadow and 2 trap charms, and 1 Gheed and I did put lots of faster run/walk, all resist, mf and vita charms so that's why she is low in elemental damage. Anyway, I somewhat have to disagree with the constant use of Soul Drainer. I found my merc is a decent tanker that I only use Soul Drainer in 8 player cow games. I believe it better to switch gloves depends on situations. I haven't tried out the blood CB gloves that my friends crafted for me as I found myself switching between Lavagout and the good old Laying of Hands that everyone seems to forget. Laying of Hands has 350% damage to Demons. And like I said I only use Lavagout to cast the enchant when necessary. anymore suggestions please let me know, thanks!

Ritslev

05-07-2004, 16:51

... I thought of making merc have Crescent Moon is that he does have attack speedbreak.
You shouldn't think as much (Just kidding hehe)..

Seriously the reason I posted about the runeword was cause I wasn't sure you could afford 2 of them. If you want 1 on your merc.. COOL. Go for it. But make sure you use one yourself as well.
You keep fokusing on using Fanatism lvl 9. Assuming you have a Beast being worn.. drop that idea. The killing isn't from your Merc/Tank. It's you. So he just has to hit as fast as it takes to keep him alive..
The definition I have of Merc in this build is : Tank. Meaning he takes the hits for you. Nothing much else...
You really need to drop the idea of using the Beast runeword as your weapon...
... And this is the reason why I think Hwanin set isn't a good idea, he should not get hit at all. ...
Bonehew (AmnAmn) + Gaze (P Ruby) + Hwanins Armor.. and yes he can deal with Hell 8 Player games and live to tell the tale.
... I really want to make her a nice mf character so that's why I use complete Orphan set and 3 piece of Angelic set and with Gheed charm and some mf sc I had about 250 in mf. Then I started to realize that she just can't do it all...
PvM limited to strictly some gear which don't ahve MF.. This build isn't for MF.. It's for gaming and having a blast.., nothing else..
....anymore suggestions please let me know, thanks!...
You speak lastly of Souldrainers.. well Mana leech is a must. Weaken makes your Merc Survive leaving you to drop that horrbile 'Beast' and put on something useful :P Seriously.. Instead of me trying to persuade you. Join Europe Server... and I'll demonstrate.. and explain.

About your mercs stats... My Merc is : level 90. (Hell Diff)
Life : 2027
Damage : 513-1918
Defence : 2305
Life Leech 22% (2.2%)
Damage Reduction : 35%
Resistance : Max all
Along with my Shadow Master level 20 (without skills) he does great. Can handle the Minons in 8 Player games for long enough for me to kill them.

You need to look at the larger picture instead of fokusing on one thing.. which you're doing ATM.. that thing is : Keeping Beast.
It is entirely wrong for this build.

Put on Cresent Moon on Merc... and use one yourself.. what ever you choose use one yourself.

FrozenSolid

05-07-2004, 17:19

1 DEATH sentry (NOT MAX LIGHT SENTRY)
Max Fade.
Max Death Sentry.
in that order

Oh yeah i meant Death Sentry, thx.
And is BFs ar the same ar as my normal attack?

Ritslev

05-07-2004, 18:18

Oh yeah i meant Death Sentry, thx.
And is BFs ar the same ar as my normal attack?
Click on your 'normal attack' the one all have (Symbolised by an arrow).. and there you go.

PsychoticEwok1

06-07-2004, 03:28

thanks for the encouragement, but right now... i dont need it :clap: i got guillauems and im doin great (curse that word and all of its children for its awful spelling :rant: ). i currently have the 3 socket scarab husk and hel and thul and shael... i think the hel and shael are two of the three needed for duress, so im goin for that. then im gonna go for crescent, its been a slow road anyway, whats a little longer. but i have noticed that with each new piece of equipment i don, my sin gets a gigantic leap in power.

lol i didnt even notice the amp damage on atmas, that will help alot. like a 100% critical strike! well ill definitely trade it then. its just a matter of gettin my brother's acct password (he agreed to the trade, i just gotta mule it somehow...)

after i got my shiny, 217 defense Guillaumes Spired Helm ( i think thats it), the first thing i did was join a baal game and go kill shenk. wow, im an idiot.

so i made a REGULAR hell game WITHOUT 8 players and i killed shenk. im definitely noticing a difference. once i get atmas i imagine this will be even better.

so atmas is definitely a good alternative to highlords... it gives amp damage (like deadly/critical strike)... just not the +1 to skills, which i dont really care about.

as far as my scarab husk goes, i GUESS i could live with her running around in a loincloth... (thats the first time i ever complained about scantily clad women :uhhuh: ) anyway its just diablo graphics and i can ignore it.

yeah, i agree with ritslev, i suggest you get a crescent moon for yourself. drop that beast and get the equip suggested in the guide. it makes you alot stronger.