View Full Version : Bonehew vs. Reapers Toll
ZappaFan
06-04-2004, 16:43
Well I'll tell ya, I've been in some pretty intensive debates over which of these are the best Act II merc weapon. I've done a lot of play testing with my (now) lvl 87 Hammerdin with these two setups for my Act II Holy Freeze merc:
Setup 1:
Ethereal Reapers Toll (socketed with 40% ED jewe, ~280% ED totall)
Andarial's Visage (socketed with 15% IAS jewel that adds 20ish fire resist)
Leviathan Armor (25% DR, socketed with 15% IAS Jewel)
note: this setup reaches the 6 frame attack
Setup 2:
Ethereal Bonehew (~300%, double shael)
Vampire Gaze (19% DR, 8% LL, unsocketed)
Leviathan (25% DR, unsocketed)
(6 frame attack)
OK, so here's a little poll. Which setup do you think I found to be the most helpful/effective for my Hammerdin? My Hammerdin is primarily a Hell Baal runner and occasional Clone killer.
Please vote, and reply with your reasoning behind your choice.
I vote for Reapers.
I suggest bonehew for only 1 char. Thats a necro.
Why?
Well Reapers has nice mod with decripify. It lowers attack dmg/monster speed alot.
This helps all melee chars. For casters it helps to keep monsters on a safe distance, caus the merc can live longer.
My necro's merc uses bonehew. Caus i can do decripify myself/have higher lvl skill/other skills. Bonehew is also more psyc. dmg.
Watzit2ya
06-04-2004, 16:48
Reapers toll, the Decrep going off almost every 3 strikes with fast attack speed is insane. Not to mention the great life leach. The damage isnt as important, expecially when you compare the versatility this weapon offers on a merc!!
Nothing against bonehew though, its an amazing merc weapon also!
In a solo setup i would want the Reapers as your merc is going to kill and he might as well have a little MF. Also it has resists when rock, and occasionally you can get a bunch of little fallen to walk around.
NOTE: on the fallen, they dont follow your or even tleport with you so they arent a "minion" persay. They are also rather weak and pathetic but hell its kool so WTF.
My Sorcs Defiance Merc uses Tals Mask, Reapers AMNed and a 4 socke life Ptop Armor and kick tail!!! I cant see how a either of those setups would be unfavorable since with your arura he is killing easily and leeching well.
Mine did great with Ariocs also, but he was killing so much I gave him the reapers
Before my Necor died, his Defiance merc had reapers's toll, tals mask, and the Elite duriels shell. The decrip is the main reason, nice LifeLeech aswell.
I vote Set Up number one ;)
ZappaFan
06-04-2004, 17:21
Sounds like you're talking about Tomb Reaver...
In a solo setup i would want the Reapers as your merc is going to kill and he might as well have a little MF. Also it has resists when rock, and occasionally you can get a bunch of little fallen to walk around.
NOTE: on the fallen, they dont follow your or even tleport with you so they arent a "minion" persay. They are also rather weak and pathetic but hell its kool so WTF.
My Sorcs Defiance Merc uses Tals Mask, Reapers AMNed and a 4 socke life Ptop Armor and kick tail!!! I cant see how a either of those setups would be unfavorable since with your arura he is killing easily and leeching well.
Mine did great with Ariocs also, but he was killing so much I gave him the reapers
chinaman1472
06-04-2004, 17:28
Reapers Toll
I'd only go Bonhew if the damage was needed.
yea...what they said (check out my avatar!!)
slick4hire
06-04-2004, 17:54
Zappa, according to what u have on the bonehew and bp's that is a 6 frame attack. This is exactly what it calculates on the wep speed calc site.
One question in regards to this..
The wep speed site lists an ogre axe with a base speed of 0. The Arreat Summit lists it with a base speed of 10.
If the Arreat Summit is correct, it would take 100 ias to reach 6 frame attack.
My question is which site has the correct base speed?
Reapers gets my vote
yea...what they said (check out my avatar!!)
Wanted to ask this in the other thread...isn't it "Leaves?"..or is there a joke I am missing :scratch:
NeoSolidSnake
06-04-2004, 19:10
I Never had a reapers but it looked really good :p
SO i wont vote since i like Bonehew, as that was the only new elite i ever had in 1.10 :D
ANd that avatar....leafs do NOT suck!!
theyll beat the Sens.....I HOPE!! AHHH WE NEED NOLAN BACK!!
treldonis
06-04-2004, 20:06
Wanted to ask this in the other thread...isn't it "Leaves?"..or is there a joke I am missing :scratch:
Sport team names never follow proper grammar.
sarcasm
Same thing can be said for many of the players.
/sarcasm
Looks like there is a huge vote in favour of Reaper so far..
...and...um..I started to figure by now that it might be some kind of Canadian Icehockey team...close? :scratch:
MoUsE_WiZ
06-04-2004, 22:37
Bonehew.
Why bonehew?
Because someone's merc autocasting decrep annoys me greatly when attempting to cast LR from a wand on weapon switch.
Also;
LEAFS AR WIN TEH CUP~~~~~~~~~~!!!!!!!1
Sounds like you're talking about Tomb Reaver...
Ah hell, shoot me.......all the damn things work great so pick a stick and stick to it!!!!
hehe
cyradis2003
07-04-2004, 02:05
I like bonehew for 1 reason only - The spears crack me up!!!
Merc:
*poke poke* *spear spear* *poke poke*
Hey Ma, looky what I can do!!!
Me:
That's nice dear, now kill the big green one in the middle okies?
Reapers is really nice though, I have one with 12% life leech on my sorc's merc, add a COT 9% leech and a skulders for the mf and he makes a good sorc merc (he takes all the hits so 21 LL keeps him alive and means I can blow all my gold gambling rather than res'ing him)
I really need to seek help for my addiction .... ohhhhh rings!!! :drool:
Mr.Bogohossian
07-04-2004, 02:11
yea...what they said (check out my avatar!!)
take out leafs in your avatar and put Turnips or Ottawa instead, then your avatar will own!!!!. PWN I TELL YA> FLIPPING PWNED OMG PWNEEEEEEDD.
<><<><><><><#@#$#%???!??!??!!? :clap: :surprise: :howdy: YE HA YE HA !!! WOHAHAHAHA. i suppose you are from Ottawa, poor kid.
IamTheTest
07-04-2004, 03:00
Just to clarify, it is Leafs...silly Canadiens...HA another one!! I heart hockey.
Cleglaw_Himself
07-04-2004, 03:05
I voted for Bonehew. Mainly because its the only one of the two I have now and it rocks.
I use it for my hammerdin's merc. (My old hammerdin's merc had Reaper's Toll which was awesome also).
My merc uses Guillaumes face, Bonehew (2 x Amn) and 30Str armour, (but might change to Rattlecage, now that he has 195 str of his own).
Clone died in under 1 minute.
0takuPryd3
07-04-2004, 03:37
I voted for Bonehew because that's simply what I've used. However, I like the extra damage on Bonehew for cold immunes.
Mr.Bogohossian
07-04-2004, 03:46
Just to clarify, it is Leafs...silly Canadiens...HA another one!! I heart hockey.
huh? are you lost? what are you talking about
yea...what they said (check out my avatar!!)
Oy, so true, so true.
GO HABS! :P
NeoSolidSnake
07-04-2004, 06:04
Back on topic :)
I still picked Reapers, but Bonehew is also great, for me, i'd use both if i could :p
Once my merc equipped the dual Amn'ed Bonehew, I have never seen him die once, he has about 25life leech or so....i havent used(found heh) a reapers yet but i think it is only a tad bit superior to bonehew..
Mad Merlin
07-04-2004, 06:19
Reaper's Reaper's Reaper's Reaper's Reaper's Reaper's!
Oh, and Reaper's!
Decrepify is unbeatable, that is all.
MoUsE_WiZ
07-04-2004, 08:00
Reaper's Reaper's Reaper's Reaper's Reaper's Reaper's!
Oh, and Reaper's!
Decrepify is unbeatable, that is all.
Decrep is very beatable, and is beated by LR. But some jerk always has a decrep casting merc poking at things and making me use my wand much more than I'd prefer...
And SENS AR TEH SUX!!! 0-3 IN TEH PLAYOFF SEREES NOOB!!!!!!!!!! GONNA BE 0-4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
Mad Merlin
07-04-2004, 09:01
Decrep is very beatable, and is beated by LR. But some jerk always has a decrep casting merc poking at things and making me use my wand much more than I'd prefer...
Unless we're talking about a PI LI FI CI ghost or something... I prefer decrep. Even if I'm playing a caster, the marginal increase in killing speed isn't worth the large loss of safety.
Cleglaw_Himself
07-04-2004, 09:10
Which gets me thinking, can you get charges of decrep on a wand???
ConnerMacleod
07-04-2004, 09:14
Reapers all the way.
Bonehew actually is way overrated. I looks fun and all, but as they say, it's only funny until someone dies.
Suggestion: Holy Freeze Merc + Reapers yields severe pwnage. They won't be moving anywhere anytime soon.
MoUsE_WiZ
07-04-2004, 10:24
Meh, if they don't kill the merc instantly (IE before decrep triggers) how are they planning on killing you?
LuckyDwarf
07-04-2004, 14:00
Erm, there should be no conflict between LR and Decrep on a hammerdin.. unless you like to cast silly elemental spells. :) So, Reaper wins. It bests as a merc weapon.
Favorite Setup:
'Ber' ethereal perfect Reaper's Toll
Ias/Res ethereal perfect Gaze
'Stone' ethereal Sacred Armor / Archon Plate
Lucky
doubleOObubble
07-04-2004, 14:06
On the whole, Reapers is better I'd say, for obvious reasons. However, as a Necro, I'd choose Bonehew any day. I don't want my curses overrid again and again.
ZappaFan
07-04-2004, 14:11
This was sort of a trick question. Remember I said this is for a Hell Baal runner & Clone killer.
With my merc using set-up #2 I kill Baal in less than half the time than what it takes with set-up #1. The Prevent Monster Heal that is on the bonehew makes a huge difference for me with both Baal and Uber Diablo as well. There isn't room with my Hammerdin's current setup to work something with PMH into his gear, so having it on the merc is invaluable.
With either setup the merc kills effectively. The only thing that kills him usually is IM in either case. At level 87 his holy freeze already does a pretty good job of slowing things, so the decrep that is cast by the Reaper's is not that remarkable of a change based on my observations. Purely subject observation on my part, but the decrep just doesn't "wow" me.
As far as fun factor goes, the bonespears from setup #2 are cooler IMO.
This was sort of a trick question. Remember I said this is for a Hell Baal runner & Clone killer.
With my merc using set-up #2 I kill Baal in less than half the time than what it takes with set-up #1. The Prevent Monster Heal that is on the bonehew makes a huge difference for me with both Baal and Uber Diablo as well. There isn't room with my Hammerdin's current setup to work something with PMH into his gear, so having it on the merc is invaluable.
With either setup the merc kills effectively. The only thing that kills him usually is IM in either case. At level 87 his holy freeze already does a pretty good job of slowing things, so the decrep that is cast by the Reaper's is not that remarkable of a change based on my observations. Purely subject observation on my part, but the decrep just doesn't "wow" me.
As far as fun factor goes, the bonespears from setup #2 are cooler IMO.
Thougt PMH didnt work on mercs...
Which gets me thinking, can you get charges of decrep on a wand???
Nope, otherwise all the cheese duelers would be using those rather than silly weaken.
PhatTrumpet
07-04-2004, 17:32
Zappa, you might try something like Reaper's + Blackthorn's + armor of choice (I like Glad's Bane for the FHR, CBF, defense, and loads of PDR/MDR; but Levi, upped/eth Dury's, etc. all work). The Blackthorn's grants PMH and makes your Merc pretty much immune to lightning (Gloams, DC). Decrep is really quite godly: you take significantly -- understatement -- less damage (enemies are slowed a ton and weakened), plus physical damage done is increased another 50%, which makes Reaper Merc's invincible. He'd be brought down to a 7-frame attack and he'd lose +2 skills (kinda pointless with HolyFreeze anyway), so I guess it's just another thing that comes down to personal preference.
For a hammerdin, def. reapers.
Self for my necro summoner/CE i use bonehew, for the same reason as DarkY.
I want to control my curses myself!
Lu The Confused
08-04-2004, 16:30
welp ...
my hammerdin has a holy freeze merc with an upgraded kelpie snare ...
don't laugh!
the freakin bosses are in supa-slo-mo so bad it takes them 30 minutes to pick their nose!!!!
pretty much any other gear is gravy :D
latah,
lu
I vote neither of those...The best merc Imo would use:
Ethereal 230%/+4 all skills Ariots needle with amn rune in it
Ethereal Chains of honor sacred armor
Ethereal Andy Visage with perfect life leech.
Thats a total of +8 skills, which boosts the level of the mercs Aura.
For a summoner, those items on a might merc would give itself and the skeletons a ton of damage. On a defiance merc, they would give an insane boost in defence.
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