Why are trappers SO hated?

[nSin]

Hey everyone,

Was a lot on this assasin forum in the beginning of the 1.10 patch,. made like 7 assasins in the beginning of ladder, and always had great fun with them. In 1.09, I had a dclawer and a trapper, assasins always have been my favorite class. After that I decided to try out some other classes so my attention went to other sub boards.

In that time I was finallly able to get a little wealthier and get enigma, hoto and a shako arachnid, pretty much standard equipment for hammerdins, however, I missed my assasins so much that I decided to remake my first assasin, my lightning trapper.

I started here this friday and luckily I had an easy time leveling here, when I just entered nightmare I joined some pubby dueling games, most of them were necros, or paladins, always had a hard time with them but most of the time my experience gained the upper hand. A phrase I heard a lot in this period was "Gah Trappers suck you newbz0r lam0r" *player saves and exits*, or "mb is so lame" " trappers suck" seriously, I hear it constantly.

I should note that I never nk, neer gold steal unless someone does it with me and dont jump on people without saying "go" or "rdy".

Now I duel in hell and joined a game called "team duelz", while I havent even done anything yet a Bliz Sorc says, "lets **** the trapper cause I hate trappers" apparently they were all friends and a bone necro, a bliz sorc, and a pally wich build I wasnt quite sure off but he seemed to use salvation as his main aura all teamed up against me. They all had enigma's shako's, all the gear i used to dream about. I didnt quite get why they were all against me but i took the challenge and had some fun duels, I didnt die because I played relativly defensive, and managed to kill all 3 of them for several rounds, and they just kept on swearing about how trappers suck and how lame mb is, start to townguard and whatnot either way, it's getting a bit offtopic now

When you go to the PvP and you ask for the top 5 builds, it'll be something like "1 necro 2 hammerdin 3 fohadin 4 wind druid 5 trapper/bliz sorc/fire sorc". While obviously a trapper is not the best class to duel with, how come SO many people hate this subclass, it's not as overpowered as many other builds are, yet, some people (and I noticed this a LOt with my old trapper) seme to want to nk me just because I'm a trapper.. how weird is that?

I've never noticed this with my bone necro, ww sin, hammerdin, javazon, bowazon or wind druid (yea dont play sorcs), so really, am I just seeing things, or are there just a lot off people who hold a grudge against one of my favorite subclasses?

~Naz

[Strider_pt]

Honestly I dont see the problem with Trapsins. They are just like any other class. Some people i would imagine get mad because some trappers neglect to remove traps after dueling someone and that person gets nked. But I mean, theres really no problem with trapsins from my point of view. All i do is strap on my guardian angel and tgods and go outside. Thats all any reasonable person has to do. Totally negates traps(though some trapsins might find that annoying). There is no need for hurtful words. Just my opinion here.

[bronzdragon5545]

people hate what they cant beat and sence wisp rings are to hard to get (for them) they name call and team up on u. and they hate use becuz they see what were doing as droping traps and running around like a school kid. so they get beat like a small dog and cry about it. plus a few dips when and made every1 else look bad by nking and gold taking ect. if u want past this join a pk clan with rules that stop the bull****

theres my 2cents

[Lithan]

People dislike pvp trappers for two reasons.

1. They are one of the two classes that require the least skill to duel with. And in fact can win most duels without moving (assuming the other player doesnt have loads of light absorb). Mindblast + traps is extremely overpowered and is a matter of class imbalance, not skill. Trappers apparently don't realize this and are infamous for bragging after they kill someone who didn't even get to move after the first MB hit them.

2. Trappers are to pvp what hammerdins are to pvm. Overpowered, imbalanced and extremely easy to play. (I have about a dozen different builds pushing 90 and my 74 hammerdin solos hell better than any of them (or did before I turned him into a mule).) Because of this, they attract the 11 year old crowd who likes to townguard/trap Tp's of people who are pvm'ing/aggro people in their group in a pvm game and just start killing them, then brag about their "M@D Sk33LZ". In short, most pvp trappers in public games are pricks. I don't duel much but in about 50% of the dueling games I've been in, a trapper has come in and just started pissing everyone off.

[7-up]

I too, like the assains class. I feel that the team u went up against just wanted to kill you because they thought it would be fun because they were all friends. They probally thought that they could take you on. When you killed all 3 of them they got mad and felt that the only way they could beat u was gonna be by talkin smack. :rant: This is just my opinion though...

[nSin]

People dislike pvp trappers for two reasons.

1. They are one of the two classes that require the least skill to duel with. And in fact can win most duels without moving (assuming the other player doesnt have loads of light absorb). Mindblast + traps is extremely overpowered and is a matter of class imbalance, not skill. Trappers apparently don't realize this and are infamous for bragging after they kill someone who didn't even get to move after the first MB hit them.

2. Trappers are to pvp what hammerdins are to pvm. Overpowered, imbalanced and extremely easy to play. (I have about a dozen different builds pushing 90 and my 74 hammerdin solos hell better than any of them (or did before I turned him into a mule).) Because of this, they attract the 11 year old crowd who likes to townguard/trap Tp's of people who are pvm'ing/aggro people in their group in a pvm game and just start killing them, then brag about their "M@D Sk33LZ". In short, most pvp trappers in public games are pricks. I don't duel much but in about 50% of the dueling games I've been in, a trapper has come in and just started pissing everyone off.

I see, and allthough I certainly dont think that trappers are underpowred, look at wind druids for instance, 4k unblockable damage with a 2k aura around them, they teleport on you, you'rre pretty much screwed. Or a necro, 6k bone spirit damage wich finds its target itsselve. Or bone spear around 5 k unblockable unresistable damage that travels as fast as a fireball, seriously, isnt that overpowered? Same counts for a hammerdin in pvp, as soon as they have enigma, tele on you + one hammer you're pretty much that. I wont even start about fohadins

I really beg to differ about assasins being overpowred in pvp if you compare it to some of the more populair classes, however, I do see our point about mb and stunlock, allthough I do think that it's their own fault that they dont have max resist + decent fhr, I mean, that should be one of the requirements for pvp.

Thanks for the replies

~Naz

[Ash Housewares]

they are kind of mindless, they don't require skill, but it helps to have it still

they also have a town hugger reputation

[StrikexForce]

people you dont even have to aim

[skilledlord]

I see, and allthough I certainly dont think that trappers are underpowred, look at wind druids for instance, 4k unblockable damage with a 2k aura around them, they teleport on you, you'rre pretty much screwed. Or a necro, 6k bone spirit damage wich finds its target itsselve. Or bone spear around 5 k unblockable unresistable damage that travels as fast as a fireball, seriously, isnt that overpowered? Same counts for a hammerdin in pvp, as soon as they have enigma, tele on you + one hammer you're pretty much that. I wont even start about fohadins

I really beg to differ about assasins being overpowred in pvp if you compare it to some of the more populair classes, however, I do see our point about mb and stunlock, allthough I do think that it's their own fault that they dont have max resist + decent fhr, I mean, that should be one of the requirements for pvp.

Thanks for the replies

~Naz


ur true about wind druids and such. however, not everyone can afford a enigma to tele and charges are too expensive. therefore, tornado is very inaccurate/short ranged. bonespirits are awfully slow and bonespear is fast but u still have to aim. traps on the other hand, u just put them on the floor, and they aim for u. it may not be autotarget like GA or bonespirit, but it hits wherever the player is at and is hard to dodge it. also traps are unblockable
too.(idink)
also u don't have to be rich to make a pretty good trapsin. they are long ranged and can easily reach past 2k dam each. multiply tat by five, and u get ur answer y lots of ppl don't really like trapsins.

[Lunatic]

I don't feel like typing that much , the person above me explained it all already. :P

[weylun]

Trappers are indeed very powerful but if the opponent can get enough Lightning resist and absorb, you are dead. Do I think absorb is cheap? No. Because we trappers laugh when we duel (especially against the melee type), and maybe it's time for other people to get a laugh too lol. I built a lvl 89 trapper on the ladder and she is STRONG.

My point is Mind Blast and Traps are skills designed for Assassin and if they don't like them, don't duel them. As simple as that. A charge pally with good lightning absorb can own Trappers. Do I complain? No. Because I can own a Zealer Pally.

The thing is there are some builds you can own and some builds you can't.

Hammerdin is very powerful against the melee but it's so easy to beat with trappers. People say when you teleport your traps disappear, geeze, I would like to know who spread out the rumors like that!!! It never happens to me. The traps are still there hurting them while I teleport. lol

The truth is every class now has very powerful dueling skill:
Pally: Fist of Heaven, Hammerdin, Charge
Zon: Guided Arrow
Barbarian: WW and Concentration
Sorc: focus on one type of element
Assassin: Traps (or maybe WW)
Druid: Windwalker
Necro: Boner

So, Assassins are not cheap. They are just Assassins... they will find cheap way to kill. Fast and NASTY!! lol Come on, what can you expect from an Assassin? Tp duel legit like a Holy Pally? lol

Jimmy

[DragonKnight_Aka]

l'll do this in 2 ways.

1. For trapsin that sit thier and townguard people and say ur noob when they kill u and nk. I really hate that. When I get some friends in the game we kill that @$$h0Le I have listen to someone cry and complaint about it being 5 vs 1 when he was the person that townguarding and nking people .

2. For trapsins that duel fair aren't too hard for me. I mean I beated trapsin fairly that teleport and I don't even have teleport. I don't hate trapsin cuz in 1.09 I had 1 myself. But then 2 types of duelers thier the smarts who plan and make sure and rebuild their chars and test them out to be good at dueling. Then u got the duelers who see 1 char kicking @$$ and they make that char then they duel a trapsin or ( some other char) and lose agianst them because they don't have any idea what in the world they are doing. And cry about how *** mindblast and traps are

[eclipsedk]

1) The average person on battle.net dislikes trappers alot since they can be played by anyone who knows how to assign skill keys. They can have 'super' high damage, which auto-aims and is unblockable to all classes but one, dual claw.

2) Personally I don't have much leftover for all those people saying 'My trapper/FoH-pala/Hammerdin/bonemancer 4r3 t3h G00000000dly', since once you have learned how to duel each classes they really aren't that hard, sure they are harder than the average but not overly hard.

It all comes down on how you play vs. trappers etc., if you charge like a mad man on a trapper you're as good as dead, but play it tacticly and you'll stand quite good chances.

3) From my personal experiences with trappers they aren't such lamers if you play with decent people that duels in an oderly manner with 'go/rdy' and no townshooting/nk'ing.

[The_Sickness_101]

Hey everyone,

Was a lot on this assasin forum in the beginning of the 1.10 patch,. made like 7 assasins in the beginning of ladder, and always had great fun with them. In 1.09, I had a dclawer and a trapper, assasins always have been my favorite class. After that I decided to try out some other classes so my attention went to other sub boards.

In that time I was finallly able to get a little wealthier and get enigma, hoto and a shako arachnid, pretty much standard equipment for hammerdins, however, I missed my assasins so much that I decided to remake my first assasin, my lightning trapper.

I started here this friday and luckily I had an easy time leveling here, when I just entered nightmare I joined some pubby dueling games, most of them were necros, or paladins, always had a hard time with them but most of the time my experience gained the upper hand. A phrase I heard a lot in this period was "Gah Trappers suck you newbz0r lam0r" *player saves and exits*, or "mb is so lame" " trappers suck" seriously, I hear it constantly.

I should note that I never nk, neer gold steal unless someone does it with me and dont jump on people without saying "go" or "rdy".

Now I duel in hell and joined a game called "team duelz", while I havent even done anything yet a Bliz Sorc says, "lets **** the trapper cause I hate trappers" apparently they were all friends and a bone necro, a bliz sorc, and a pally wich build I wasnt quite sure off but he seemed to use salvation as his main aura all teamed up against me. They all had enigma's shako's, all the gear i used to dream about. I didnt quite get why they were all against me but i took the challenge and had some fun duels, I didnt die because I played relativly defensive, and managed to kill all 3 of them for several rounds, and they just kept on swearing about how trappers suck and how lame mb is, start to townguard and whatnot either way, it's getting a bit offtopic now

When you go to the PvP and you ask for the top 5 builds, it'll be something like "1 necro 2 hammerdin 3 fohadin 4 wind druid 5 trapper/bliz sorc/fire sorc". While obviously a trapper is not the best class to duel with, how come SO many people hate this subclass, it's not as overpowered as many other builds are, yet, some people (and I noticed this a LOt with my old trapper) seme to want to nk me just because I'm a trapper.. how weird is that?

I've never noticed this with my bone necro, ww sin, hammerdin, javazon, bowazon or wind druid (yea dont play sorcs), so really, am I just seeing things, or are there just a lot off people who hold a grudge against one of my favorite subclasses?

~Naz

I'll tell you why I hate 'em. First off I play pubbies, which has a lot to do with my argument. They just stand around and lay traps and say, "Come and get me." If you lose, here comes the 5 traps at the entrance of town and mass nking. With mb it takes about, well, no talent to beat most people in pubbies. Sure I can stack res as a pally, but still I have lost respect for this whole class. The tging is annoying. The cheapness is no fun. I"m not saying every trapsin nks and tgs but 99.9% of pubby ones I meet do.

[nSin]

I'll tell you why I hate 'em. First off I play pubbies, which has a lot to do with my argument. They just stand around and lay traps and say, "Come and get me." If you lose, here comes the 5 traps at the entrance of town and mass nking. With mb it takes about, well, no talent to beat most people in pubbies. Sure I can stack res as a pally, but still I have lost respect for this whole class. The tging is annoying. The cheapness is no fun. I"m not saying every trapsin nks and tgs but 99.9% of pubby ones I meet do.

I see your point, but that is the person, not the character.. lets say a a hammerdin kills you, he can go tg, stand there, and keep all players from going to blood moor, same counts for fohadins, and wind druids. That a player kills , and then starts tg+nking doesnt really have anything to do with the character I'd say.

Allthough, on the other hand, trappers, together with bliz sorcs, hydra sorcs, and meteor sorcs are very suited for tging.

[yhlge]

A few people are mannerless doesn't mean all of them are mannerless!!!!

[weylun]

If people hate trappers, then I guess I should start a thread "Why Sorc are so hated!!"

I hate Sorc. Plain and simple. I got pk by so many fire sorc when I first start playing on the ladder. They just teleported in front of me and BANG, one/two fireball and I am dead. I wasn't even ready to fight them but they always pk me in a place where I can't catch up with them ...like the act 2 Arcane place. I was a trapper and I can't teleport!! lol

Actually, I don't think you need tons of "skills" to duel in Diablo. Equipment and Skill Distribution matter 80% of the dueling success and 15% for each class you use and 5% skill. But that 5% skill is for those who knows the strength and weakness of the other class. If you know how the other class function, you should be fine as long as you have good skill distribution and equipment.

If you are a melee class, there's NO WAY you can beat a good Bone Necro. NO WAY. You can't even scratch them. lol Well, this is my point. Skill and Equipment matter the most. Traps are cheap but hey, that's what Assassins are for!!!

Jimmy

[Fafner]

Hey weylun, I haven't seen you in awhile...glad to see ya back...I only lurk here mostly, soaking up the valued info.

If I ever venture into B-net, I'd start with a trapper since they're easy to do untwinked, etc. maybe Fishymancer is second choice.

Do people lump hybrids into this category? Traps/MB = loser even if you get killed by a flurry of kicks.

[Shadow752]

Realistically speaking, almost no character takes skill to play.... All anyone has to do on D2 is simply click and run around. Like someone said before me it's about 5% skill. Now, most trappers are hated, because the majority of trappers are just ill-mannered, illiterate, imature fools. This happens because the trapper is one of the most powerful dueling classes now, so all the imature people make them so they can satisfy their compulsive need to be "1337" and dominate. However, there are still good nice trappers like me :D

[squigipapa]

Realistically speaking, almost no character takes skill to play.... All anyone has to do on D2 is simply click and run around. Like someone said before me it's about 5% skill. Now, most trappers are hated, because the majority of trappers are just ill-mannered, illiterate, imature fools. This happens because the trapper is one of the most powerful dueling classes now, so all the imature people make them so they can satisfy their compulsive need to be "1337" and dominate. However, there are still good nice trappers like me :D

I totally agree with Shadow here. It's not the trappers that are hated it's the people that play them. Not all the people of course, but a lot! Basically, they're really powerful, and can be built with very little 'top end' gear. So any kid that wants to 'own' others in duel's checks the message boards etc. or gets owned in a duel by a trapper, and then decides to build one so he can 'own' anyone.

I mean, look at it this way, if there were no d2 fan sites, no strategy guides etc, and the only trappers in duels were the people that simply loved the class, and made one because of that, I think you'd see a lot more 'nice' trappers out there.

[weylun]

Hey weylun, I haven't seen you in awhile...glad to see ya back...I only lurk here mostly, soaking up the valued info.

If I ever venture into B-net, I'd start with a trapper since they're easy to do untwinked, etc. maybe Fishymancer is second choice.

Do people lump hybrids into this category? Traps/MB = loser even if you get killed by a flurry of kicks.

Oh my GOD, somebody actually remembers me?!!! I am so thrilled. lol Thanx man! I was HERE a lot a few months ago. I had to quite D2 'cause it was too addictive and too destructive to my online business. lol I promised my business partner that I am going to quit the game and I did. But now I am here reading the posts...lol Man, I am having some serious D2 withdraw...but I have to hold it. I have to get through it!

Honestly, D2 is my most favorite computer game. Believe me, I tried to get rid of my D2 withdraw by playing Neverwinter Night and Dungeon Siege. NWN is more RPG than D2 and more involving. The battle is a bit too slow for me so I didn't like it. Dungeon Siege was alright but the battle is too shallow. D2 is still the best one. I love the skill tree, builds, unique items, classes...everything. It's mindless but that's why I like it. I don't have thousands of hours to spend on EQ or Final Fantasy 11. I still have a business to run you know! lol

That is why I found a game that is pretty similar to D2. It's called The Elemental, a Mod game from Dungeon Siege. I downloaded the alpha but I can't play it....due to my computer problems. You see, I am trying REALLY hard to find games to replace D2. And today I just ordered a Japanese version of Dragon Quest 5 PS2. Man, that game should hold me for a while.

Anyway, I don't know why I am saying this but it's great to know that somebody actually remember me! I was a HUGE Assassin-fan. lol

And about Trappers, there's not too much skill involved as long as you have the right equipment and skill setup. When I duel, I NEVER act like an arse-hole. I let people pick up their bodies (haha), I never drink health potions (once or twice I'll drink mana potion lol) and I never set traps just outside the traps. I usually have a little strategy where I set traps somewhere else and then lure people to go there. lol But again, Trappers can be defeated easily if you have high lightning resist and absorb. I have no problem with absorb because there's a reason why they invent that in the game - to defeat mage-type characters!

Jimmy

[ƒenris]

By 'my experience' I'm sure you mean, 'laying 5 traps and spam mb'
I made a trapper to try it out, and I went to 65 only..with very mediocre gear, and I was beating anyone who didn't use tgods.

[MercenaryKnight]

It is annoying how watching people complain about trap assassins. Just put on tgods and a blackhorns get some resist and let them heal you if you hate them. I always keep a wizzy and blackhorns and tgods on a dueler char just in case one comes in. Then they complain its cheap then I squelch. I mean whats the big deal put on some absorb and laugh at them while they heal you. Anyone can have a tgods and a blackhorn its not like you need to go buy an enigma and botd.

[jonnybow]

What char needs skill to play if you got all uber items and have been reading guides here on this forum???????
It's 90% items and 10% reading in my mind.
A trapper is easy to kill if you got the right equipment.
Sorc is one of the easiest to kill for a trapper ,that's why she was wining.
Some trappers dont recast trapps if they have killed you ,thats why they nk.
I also forget it some times ,but i dont meen to nk people .

All elemental dmg chars can be resisted and absorbed ,you dont need skills at all to win against such char .( if you got the items and have been reading )

Why trappers are hated ?
In my mind by noobs .They just dont know better :) .
I'we been owned by several classes when i play trapper .
What to do when youre 5 x 13 k trapps heals youre enemy ?
Just hate that class ?
It's just pubbie duelling ,it happens every day .
You need goodly items and phys/magical dmg to own for real in pubbie duelling.
(Dont forget to read some bit in the guides first :) )

[Metroid_01]

You seem to miss the point just a bit.
firstly most people dont have absorb for trapsins, so with 5 multiplied by the 10k+ they CAN do its deadly, even at much lower like 5k, which is doable with around 10 to skills traps are dangerous.
second traps are like 5 extra "lightning sorcs" at your side, they each aim themselves and fire on their own meaning you dont actually have to do anything. and geez they have amazing range, if you are on the same screen as them more or less they will attack and that lightning bolt can go for up to 4 screens.
third mind blast can even lead to the defeat of an absorber, personally i keep a small amt of lightning absorb on my sorceress for tging trappers. she takes a very small amt of damage from traps with it...round 10-15 each. 2 good trappers with mb can take her out by stun locking her and lettin traps slowly wittle her down, hell 1 can do it but its alot harder to keep me stun locked.
fourth, have you ever tried to run from a trapsin? 99% will namelock and mind blast you, and then catch up and once again get u in the traps.
fifth trapsins really do require no skill to use at all. you cant deny this, there is nothing that requires skill about taht build. sure you need to know how to lay ur traps best dependin on who is ur aponent but otherwise its just avoid bein hit mind blast and keep ur traps up.
sixth MOST trapsins in public duels will end up nking ppl, on accident or on purpose. and most of those guys will end up tging if they begin to lose. im not saying all do, because i have met some nice ppl that use trappers but honesly 90% are gonna tg the game at some point. they are also the easiest class to tg with because you can lay 5 traps at the enterence of town and not have to moniter it.
i think trappers are a weak build to use because they are very overpowered and easy to use. personally i love assassins, its my favorite class. when 1.10 came out i made a trapper, but i was so disgusted with how people use them i deleted her...i cant stand it. most of the problem is the people but even so the build is overpowered.
trappers are almost unkillable without absorb, i can only think of a few classes that could actually possibly take a good trapper, and of cource they are elemental... fb sorcs can sometimes get em, fohers have a rather good chance, a bone nec if hes lucky, just like the sorc, and the only exception is an amazon but they need to be really lucky, not to mention because 99% of zons have very low res they cant be hit once.
most classes can tg but few can do it half as effectively as an asn. if you have fair res the meteor tg is easy to avoid, if ur lucky u can get by a blizz sorc (id say u have a good 25% chance), hydra sorcs which i saw earlier are tough but since they have rather low damage and only around 4 can get out before one drops in they are still not impossible, bowazons can tg but they use up arrows ;) and if they are smart wont alone. wind druids......ive seen em try, never succeed. the point is trappers haev the best of everything, only absorb can take them out but if that trapper has a ally, that uses nething but lightning the trapper will likely win anyway.

anyway theres my little rant on trappers. the class is a nice idea but until they become a little more fair to use i dont think ill like them...let the noobs move on to something else :grrr: .

[nSin]

By 'my experience' I'm sure you mean, 'laying 5 traps and spam mb'
I made a trapper to try it out, and I went to 65 only..with very mediocre gear, and I was beating anyone who didn't use tgods.

actually, when you play trapper versus trapper without equal equipment, you'll see what important role "experience" plays. It's about trap placement, and knowing the range of traps, and offcourse, with enigma, who's the best at teleporting

[skilledlord]

actually, when you play trapper versus trapper without equal equipment, you'll see what important role "experience" plays. It's about trap placement, and knowing the range of traps, and offcourse, with enigma, who's the best at teleporting

only trapper vs trapper does it matter where u place ur traps.

[jonnybow]

You seem to miss the point just a bit.
firstly most people dont have absorb for trapsins, so with 5 multiplied by the 10k+ they CAN do its deadly, even at much lower like 5k, which is doable with around 10 to skills traps are dangerous.
second traps are like 5 extra "lightning sorcs" at your side, they each aim themselves and fire on their own meaning you dont actually have to do anything. and geez they have amazing range, if you are on the same screen as them more or less they will attack and that lightning bolt can go for up to 4 screens.
third mind blast can even lead to the defeat of an absorber, personally i keep a small amt of lightning absorb on my sorceress for tging trappers. she takes a very small amt of damage from traps with it...round 10-15 each. 2 good trappers with mb can take her out by stun locking her and lettin traps slowly wittle her down, hell 1 can do it but its alot harder to keep me stun locked.
fourth, have you ever tried to run from a trapsin? 99% will namelock and mind blast you, and then catch up and once again get u in the traps.
fifth trapsins really do require no skill to use at all. you cant deny this, there is nothing that requires skill about taht build. sure you need to know how to lay ur traps best dependin on who is ur aponent but otherwise its just avoid bein hit mind blast and keep ur traps up.
sixth MOST trapsins in public duels will end up nking ppl, on accident or on purpose. and most of those guys will end up tging if they begin to lose. im not saying all do, because i have met some nice ppl that use trappers but honesly 90% are gonna tg the game at some point. they are also the easiest class to tg with because you can lay 5 traps at the enterence of town and not have to moniter it.
i think trappers are a weak build to use because they are very overpowered and easy to use. personally i love assassins, its my favorite class. when 1.10 came out i made a trapper, but i was so disgusted with how people use them i deleted her...i cant stand it. most of the problem is the people but even so the build is overpowered.
trappers are almost unkillable without absorb, i can only think of a few classes that could actually possibly take a good trapper, and of cource they are elemental... fb sorcs can sometimes get em, fohers have a rather good chance, a bone nec if hes lucky, just like the sorc, and the only exception is an amazon but they need to be really lucky, not to mention because 99% of zons have very low res they cant be hit once.
most classes can tg but few can do it half as effectively as an asn. if you have fair res the meteor tg is easy to avoid, if ur lucky u can get by a blizz sorc (id say u have a good 25% chance), hydra sorcs which i saw earlier are tough but since they have rather low damage and only around 4 can get out before one drops in they are still not impossible, bowazons can tg but they use up arrows ;) and if they are smart wont alone. wind druids......ive seen em try, never succeed. the point is trappers haev the best of everything, only absorb can take them out but if that trapper has a ally, that uses nething but lightning the trapper will likely win anyway.

anyway theres my little rant on trappers. the class is a nice idea but until they become a little more fair to use i dont think ill like them...let the noobs move on to something else :grrr: .

I'we played trapper since LOD came out and i was in the top5 when ladder started (at lv 94 i stopped).
Palas and barbs are the worst chars to win again as a trapper .
Sorc is the easiest .
I play mostly sorc and trapper (only spellcasters ) .
If they TG why not get some absorb???????
I just dont get it.
Get rid of those lamers..................

[Zkin]

pvp trapsins has two skills. mb and traps, and they might use wof. just to **** up your favourite dueler..

i say **** it, and put on my 95 % all res,. and my totally lame absorb gear and just kill em.


i play a hammerdin on ladder. sure they are overpowered.. but u still have to aim, you cant do what a assa or foher does.. point + click + laugh.

[Metroid_01]

jonny im not really sure how ur post relates....at all to mine, so that u needed to quote the entire thing. melee chars will find it near impossible to take a trapper without absorb. thats a given. and what point i tried to get out in the first part of my post was that not everyone has the resistances and absorb required to tank a trapper on hand.

[UM_Relic]

I have no problem with Trappers, except when they mess with you.
I was in a game and 2 trappers hostiled me on my sorc. So I took the challenge and kill both of them easily with a well aimed meteor and a few fireballs. But then after they finally killed me, they laid traps all around the entrance 5 each and even the enigma'd hammerdin and the other sorcs had problems. The asns just laughed and laughed until we finally got our corpses then they set their traps and hid behind them so we couldn't get near. Lame.

[piroteuss]

Simple....
People hate trappers because they are ill prepared for them - low lr or no light absorb at all and low fhr.

Secondly, there are a lot of trappers that town guard and nk in public pk games.

[SoulTaker]

i skimed the first page, and damn
saying u hate trappers cuz they all town guard or corpse guard(by keeping traps up not aware tho) you might as well say u hate all black people becuase high%s of them are convected of crimes...
u guys are just trapper prejaduce...
fukin its a class, who gives a $h!t...
some classes are overpowerd in certian areas, yey trappers can **** but if they got some high absorb ur fuked, and thats the balance...

jus another person with there 2 cents.

[Metroid_01]

SoulTaker, unfortunately its much more than a small percent. just by the nature of the build trappers nk, accidentally or purposfully. the ease in which a trapsin can town guard, or nk is so appearant that it attracts most noobs that tend to do this when they lose. true there is some prejudice, but it is damn well based.
by the nature of the class the traps are hard to control. if you place a trap near to another duel it might attack towards that, depending on other targets. they go for the first target that comes in range, and with up to 3 more screens to continue you could accidentally hit someone who is aligned with someone you are dueling (this is no "lightning strike" deal, this has happened to me several times, though passing through the center of the bolt does not seem to do damage.)
I keep saying that you have to think in tems of the majority of bnet. they just plain DONT have absorb on hand for these situations meaning, most people cannot deal with trappers if they cause problems. sure its not too hard to get fair light absorb, but that doesnt mean everyone has it....does it??

[Kodachi_ysaane]

when it comes to pubbies, nk or be nked, assassins just do a good job at it.
But in private duel games, i would never dream of NKing with my fire trapsin.

[Phresh]

People dislike pvp trappers for two reasons.

1. They are one of the two classes that require the least skill to duel with. And in fact can win most duels without moving (assuming the other player doesnt have loads of light absorb). Mindblast + traps is extremely overpowered and is a matter of class imbalance, not skill. Trappers apparently don't realize this and are infamous for bragging after they kill someone who didn't even get to move after the first MB hit them.

2. Trappers are to pvp what hammerdins are to pvm. Overpowered, imbalanced and extremely easy to play. (I have about a dozen different builds pushing 90 and my 74 hammerdin solos hell better than any of them (or did before I turned him into a mule).) Because of this, they attract the 11 year old crowd who likes to townguard/trap Tp's of people who are pvm'ing/aggro people in their group in a pvm game and just start killing them, then brag about their "M@D Sk33LZ". In short, most pvp trappers in public games are pricks. I don't duel much but in about 50% of the dueling games I've been in, a trapper has come in and just started pissing everyone off.

Trappers actually require alot of skill and quick hotkey changes to duel with...you oviously havn't dueled with maxus or nexxus....pfft

[Lunatic]

Trappers actually require alot of skill and quick hotkey changes to duel with...you oviously havn't dueled with maxus or nexxus....pfft
In 1.09 trappers wore down oponents. You only chipped of little bits of life at a time , so 1 mistake and you were screwed (I'm talking about oponents that know what they're doing)

In 1.1 it's almost instant kill without at least 85% resist and 20 absorb (Thundergods). The whole idea of keeping some1 in stunlock for like 40 sec or even more doesn't even matter , the traps do way more dmg now.

Also , in 1.09 you used WoF and LS as your traps , now you hardly see anyone using WoF , since LS does the job for you already. And it's not that much hotkey switching really.

LS , MB , DF are the only 3 skills you usually use. Unless you use enigma , then it's LS , MB , tele. BoS/Fade , SM and unsummon (yes it can be usefull from time to time) aren't used that much.

So you actively use 3 or 4 hotkeys. I wouldn't call it that much really.

[Phresh]

im not saying it takes the most skill to duel with... im sayin it does take "some" skill, which wont determine whether you win...it will determine how fast you win.

[warlock_666]

you might as well say u hate all black people becuase high%s of them are convected of crimes...

First of all you mean a high % of Black people in America are convicted of crimes, not a high % of Black people.

Secondly the reason a high % of Black people in America are convicted of crimes is because America is a racist country simple as that.

So you see, it's nothing like the same thing as saying "I hate trappers" is it?

[Lunatic]

im not saying it takes the most skill to duel with... im sayin it does take "some" skill, which wont determine whether you win...it will determine how fast you win.
I know. :P I played trappers in 1.09 too. I played hybrid sins too. And frankly , hybrid sins are alot worse to play when it comes to skill and hotkey switching. Same for MA sins.

Then again , MA sins and hybrids can be more powerfull in sin vs sin (still talking about 1.09 here) then trappers if you know how to play MA's or hybrids. Trappers take the least skill and hotkey switching of these 3 types of builds.

I do know that trappers that know what they're doing perform alot better then the tree huggin' town trapper , but the fact remains it's alot easier to master a trapper then it is to master lets say a barb. Or a V/T (smite / FoH) for that matter.

[SoulTaker]

warlock, you know where i was getting at, why are u trying to start ****, u obviosly knew wut i meant as u said it, so wtf,
you got my drift why you gotta be an *******?

[Naliworld]

Guys, keep to the topic at hand and keep it civil, or don't post. I fail to see how crimes commited by African Americans is relevant at all to this discussion.

[The_Sickness_101]

Trappers are indeed very powerful but if the opponent can get enough Lightning resist and absorb, you are dead. Do I think absorb is cheap? No. Because we trappers laugh when we duel (especially against the melee type), and maybe it's time for other people to get a laugh too lol. I built a lvl 89 trapper on the ladder and she is STRONG.

My point is Mind Blast and Traps are skills designed for Assassin and if they don't like them, don't duel them. As simple as that. A charge pally with good lightning absorb can own Trappers. Do I complain? No. Because I can own a Zealer Pally.

The thing is there are some builds you can own and some builds you can't.

Hammerdin is very powerful against the melee but it's so easy to beat with trappers. People say when you teleport your traps disappear, geeze, I would like to know who spread out the rumors like that!!! It never happens to me. The traps are still there hurting them while I teleport. lol

The truth is every class now has very powerful dueling skill:
Pally: Fist of Heaven, Hammerdin, Charge
Zon: Guided Arrow
Barbarian: WW and Concentration
Sorc: focus on one type of element
Assassin: Traps (or maybe WW)
Druid: Windwalker
Necro: Boner

So, Assassins are not cheap. They are just Assassins... they will find cheap way to kill. Fast and NASTY!! lol Come on, what can you expect from an Assassin? Tp duel legit like a Holy Pally? lol

Jimmy

I got tired of the cheap, tging, nking of pure light trapsins...so I made a pally w/ ga,tgods, and 1 into sanctuary aura, shafers does 75% light resist. Ha ha ha trapsins I have finally done it. :winner:

[The_Sickness_101]

I see your point, but that is the person, not the character.. lets say a a hammerdin kills you, he can go tg, stand there, and keep all players from going to blood moor, same counts for fohadins, and wind druids. That a player kills , and then starts tg+nking doesnt really have anything to do with the character I'd say.

Allthough, on the other hand, trappers, together with bliz sorcs, hydra sorcs, and meteor sorcs are very suited for tging.

Not effective..Hammers aare much slower. :flip:

[warlock_666]

im currently building an anti elemental FoH pally with 90% all resist except fire at 95% and lots of absorb purely for taking on trapsins and fire ball sorcs (and the occasional blizz sorc when they show up)

should be fun :)

[Voice]

Reason i hate trapassins is the same reason i hate fire sorc's, sorces in general .... they are notorius for nk'ing and pk'ing, just like everyone above said .... they earned this title and it will stick w/ them forever. Unfornuatly this ruins it for the good mannered trapassins .... sorry bout that but majority rules.

I dont mind or care about how 'overpowered' they are since they are easy to negate for the most part, its the notorious bad manners is what i think makes most people hate them, however .... i do know some people that hate them b/c they cant beat them ... but thats just being childish.