Stacking OW, DS, CB+amp on smiter

[Katharsis]

well, I heard of a build that does this and havent been able to find more info about it... how much OPen wounds%,Deadlystrike %,crushing blow% and %chance to cast amp do u guys think i could get? How do these work with smite?(same as regular weapons)? I heard it was possible to get to about 33% chance to cast amp... what items could i find this on? i know atmas has 5%, but would highlords be better? This would probably be a dueling/dclone char. Opinions and info?

thx

[Any1]

Deadly Strike doesn't work with Smite.

The rest work like they do with other meele attacks.

AFAIK, %cast items don't stack. So having two 5% chance to cast AD, doesn't mean 10% chance to cast. Each instance is calculated separately. The overall percent chance does increase with each item, but not through straight addition.

[strength_honor]

a truly BM Smiter will be using...

Primary: Lacerator/Exile
Secondary: Doom/DragonScale

and the usual goodies...

Dracul's Grasp.

other stuff whatever you desire.

[Pravda]

You could potentially have 100% of open, deadly, and crushing:

6 socket weapon with 2xum, 2xber, 2xlo (50%OW, 40%CB, 40%DS)
Guillaume's (35%CB, 15%DS)
Highlords (~35%DS)
Crafted Gloves (10%CB)
Gores (10%OW, 15%CB, 15%DS)
Swordback (50%OW)

That would give you:
110% Open wounds
100% Crushing
100%+ Deadly

Too bad deadly doesn't work with smite :)

[Katharsis]

hmm this might sound like a dumb q... but whats a lacerator? I looked in the item database and havent found? Can anyone answer my question? and also any idea what other items i could get amp dmg of off?

thx

[majorB]

Lacerator is the unique winged axe.

Also, Im just curious, whats bm about dragonscale?

[Any1]

Lacerator is the unique winged axe.

Also, Im just curious, whats bm about dragonscale?


I'm assuming he's refering to the slvl 10 Hydra skill granted by Dragonscale. You can of course refrain from using it. :D

[majorB]

I'm assuming he's refering to the slvl 10 Hydra skill granted by Dragonscale. You can of course refrain from using it. :D

Fear the mighty lvl 10 Hydra and its 59-74 fire damage!


Though doesnt hydra have some sort of stun effect? I guess that could be kind of bm.

[Any1]

Though doesnt hydra have some sort of stun effect? I guess that could be kind of bm.


I believe there is some effect like stun associated with Hydra.

[chitsu]

You could potentially have 100% of open, deadly, and crushing:

6 socket weapon with 2xum, 2xber, 2xlo (50%OW, 40%CB, 40%DS)
Guillaume's (35%CB, 15%DS)
Highlords (~35%DS)
Crafted Gloves (10%CB)
Gores (10%OW, 15%CB, 15%DS)
Swordback (50%OW)

That would give you:
110% Open wounds
100% Crushing
100%+ Deadly

Too bad deadly doesn't work with smite :)

uhm, it doesn't work like that. as the person in the 2nd post said, those attributes don't stack. say you have guillame's and gorerider's. that does not equal 50% CB. what happens is if you attack a player, your 35% CB from guillame's is taken into consideration. If you don't get a CB from that 35%, it moves on and takes into consideration the 15% CB you recieve from gorerider's. if that fails, you get a normal attack. if in that chain of events, CB is ever taken into effect, you get CB, else you get a regular attack.

there's a statistical formula to figure out your correct % of CB, but i forget what it was. stats was a long time ago.

[strength_honor]

Crushing Blow, Deadly Strike and Open Wound all Stacked

95% Chance to active is the upper limit

yes Dragonscale's Hydra + Smite = Stun work exactly like MB + Trap

[Pravda]

uhm, it doesn't work like that. as the person in the 2nd post said, those attributes don't stack. say you have guillame's and gorerider's. that does not equal 50% CB. what happens is if you attack a player, your 35% CB from guillame's is taken into consideration. If you don't get a CB from that 35%, it moves on and takes into consideration the 15% CB you recieve from gorerider's. if that fails, you get a normal attack. if in that chain of events, CB is ever taken into effect, you get CB, else you get a regular attack.

there's a statistical formula to figure out your correct % of CB, but i forget what it was. stats was a long time ago.

where did u hear this?

[jumbo_SHRIMP]

there have always been people that argued that jargon...the only one that had any kind of truth to it was maybe deadly strike, but its just wrong...they all add up, deadly doesnt work with smite so you can just ignore it...

they do add up, there is no stupid formulae

phelix

[Snake-Byte]

I don't see why there would be a formula for crushing blow (say 35% from your weapon, and 15% from your boots; just some erroneous numbers thrown out there; would either be 50%, or 44.7% 6% difference, big deal.)

If you're going to make a truely BM smiter, I'd use the following setup.

Ethereal or Regular Lacerator (Ethereal for charge damage)
Upgraded HoZ (when the ladder rolls over; Ber'ed)
Mara's
Crafted +10% CB gloves with 20% ias
40/15 verdungos hearty cord
Shako (Ber)
Enigma
Gore Rider

Now, why didn't I use Exile? Life Tap cancles Amplify Damage, and Amp > All.
Same with Draculs, although I suppose you could use those instead, since the chance to cast life tap is so low.

The best part about this build is, you could drop the lacerator for a silence phase blade, and be 100% non-bm.

[OpiuTry_OnE]

o.O use 0.9 smiter and ppl will say wow a 0.9 smiter. And u still owns :clap:

[Any1]

uhm, it doesn't work like that. as the person in the 2nd post said, those attributes don't stack. say you have guillame's and gorerider's. that does not equal 50% CB. what happens is if you attack a player, your 35% CB from guillame's is taken into consideration. If you don't get a CB from that 35%, it moves on and takes into consideration the 15% CB you recieve from gorerider's. if that fails, you get a normal attack. if in that chain of events, CB is ever taken into effect, you get CB, else you get a regular attack.

there's a statistical formula to figure out your correct % of CB, but i forget what it was. stats was a long time ago.

Don't drag me down with this mis-information. I just said that % chance to cast doesn't stack. Everything else does stack (i.e. CB, DS, OW), although DS doesn't work with Smite. This was proven again and again by many members of this forum (including me) and other DII sites. Most recently by Jarulf himself, and the results were posted on the Arreat Summit:

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/magic.shtml

"If you have more than one item with Crushing Blow, the probabilities will be added together."

[Frenzied Bovine]

uhm, it doesn't work like that. as the person in the 2nd post said, those attributes don't stack. say you have guillame's and gorerider's. that does not equal 50% CB. what happens is if you attack a player, your 35% CB from guillame's is taken into consideration. If you don't get a CB from that 35%, it moves on and takes into consideration the 15% CB you recieve from gorerider's. if that fails, you get a normal attack. if in that chain of events, CB is ever taken into effect, you get CB, else you get a regular attack.

there's a statistical formula to figure out your correct % of CB, but i forget what it was. stats was a long time ago.

Absolute garbage. Totally ignore the quoted text.

CB/DS/OW percentages add.

[Ryshenron]

Absolute garbage. Totally ignore the quoted text.

CB/DS/OW percentages add.
i 2nd that..they all stack, not sure bout amp though