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Hypnectic
19-03-2004, 01:19
Crestent Moon? any good for summoner?
I was thinking of making this runeword for my summoner, just so he casts static field and i can kill easier and my skellies and revies dont have to do much work . Is this a worthhile investment or should i keep him using the Spire of Honor?
Hyp.
A level 13 Static Field is a powerful effect and will help your skellies get the first corpse but the 7% chance is fairly low even with ITD.
Mad Mantis
19-03-2004, 10:07
And you will need to invest in BA to be able to survive the melee.
Hypnectic
19-03-2004, 23:10
I want to make for my merc, I kill any and everything with ease, My bonemancer is godly, he rips thru helll without any problems.....ever.
But, I want my merc to have the %chance to cast static field to make it easier for him to kill monsters. WHAT IM ASKING is it worth it to waste an UM rune on this???
ps. Mantis i have very strong BA and Cta for hp/mana so thats not a problem :clap:
HyP.
Mad Mantis
19-03-2004, 23:12
It is a pretty good weapon for your Merc. I can't tell you if it is worth wasting an Um on, because I don't know what other items you have/can get.
Necrochild313
19-03-2004, 23:15
Make sure you make it on an eth weapon, elite if possible. Lets not forget that theoretically that 7% is 21% because jab hits 3 times
Was wondering what weapon would be best for it in fact anyone know?
Got an eth giant thresher
Hypnectic
19-03-2004, 23:21
well i was thinking an ethereal Cryptic axe if i can find one.
jab hits 3x? yummy. Well ill make it when i find the axe.
his gear ATM.
- .08 gaze 8/8/25 (40% ed jewel + 15 max dmg)
- Ethereal Shaftstop (Pul'd)
- Artioc's Needle (Amn'd)
He is basically Pimped out. He dies only from Thorns Curse or when I duel.
HyP.
maxpup979
19-03-2004, 23:24
Make sure you make it on an eth weapon, elite if possible. Lets not forget that theoretically that 7% is 21% because jab hits 3 times
ummm...actually its not. I believe each hit is calculated independantly of the other hits...
so the first hit, there is a 7% chance---the second--also a 7% chance. The thrid--also a 7% chance.
The odds do not add up per number of hits. kind of like if you flip a coin, and you want it to land heads. If you flip it twice, are the odds 100% that it will land heads?--
Mad Mantis
19-03-2004, 23:26
ummm...actually its not. I believe each hit is calculated independantly of the other hits...
Welcome Newcomer to The Darkness. Grab a brew :drink: and feel free to raise some corpses.
You are totally correct.
maxpup979
19-03-2004, 23:30
Welcome Newcomer to The Darkness. Grab a brew :drink: and feel free to raise some corpses.
You are totally correct.
Thanks---Thanks...glad to be here...glad to have a beer...
Hypnectic
19-03-2004, 23:40
I know its only 7% each hit, but if he hits 3x in a row thats 21%
7+7+7 = 21 :scratch:
HyP. :lol:
Mad Mantis
20-03-2004, 00:09
Actually the chance to strike of Static three times in a row would be (0.07)^3 = 0.000343 which is 0.0343%
Probability isn't done like that.
i don't have the time currently to fish through math book//notes, but I assure you it is doen differently.
~Kbob
memememe173
20-03-2004, 00:29
Crestent Moon? any good for summoner?
I was thinking of making this runeword for my summoner, just so he casts static field and i can kill easier and my skellies and revies dont have to do much work . Is this a worthhile investment or should i keep him using the Spire of Honor?
Hyp.
Just as a heads up, you should say that it's for your merc in the post. Cause how it reads is like your necro uses Spire of Honor
And Kbob I think MM got it right
Probability isn't done like that.
i don't have the time currently to fish through math book//notes, but I assure you it is doen differently.
~KbobWell, the chance of Static Field happening at least once out of the three hits is equal to 100% minus the chance that it never happens in all three hits.
The chance that it doesn't happen in any given hit is 93% (0.93). The chance that it doesn't happen in three consecutive hits is 0.93^3, or 0.804357.
So the chance that it does happen, at least once, is 1.0 - 0.804357, or 0.195643, or about 19.6%.
[Edit: Note that overall you will get an average of 0.21 statics per jab. The difference is because while there's a 19.6% chance that it happens, that chance includes the possibility that it could happen more than once. I won't go into all the math, but the probabilities break down as follows:
Three statics: 0.0343%
Two statics: 1.3671%
One static: 18.1629%
No static: 80.4357%]
Mantis, I think he meant that if the merc hits 3 times, there's a 21% chance that static will go off at least once... in that case, yes, he's correct. Your calculation is that he'll fire off 3 static fields on 3 consecutive hits.
Hypnectic
20-03-2004, 05:11
So im thinking Cresent moon isn't worth it. I might just switch to a rogue merc. She would do more damage and she would fire from a distance, which would be helpful in duels. :cheesy: cheesey I know.
Any suggestions to gear for a rogue merc? any1?
my build would be as follows:
- Windforce (40% ed +15 max dmg.)
- 60% IAS armor
- and Ondals almighty for % chance to cast weaken. or maybe...i dunno help!
HyP.
[Edit: Note that overall you will get an average of 0.21 statics per jab. The difference is because while there's a 19.6% chance that it happens, that chance includes the possibility that it could happen more than once. I won't go into all the math, but the probabilities break down as follows:
Three statics: 0.0343%
Two statics: 1.3671%
One static: 18.1629%
No static: 80.4357%]
Dausuul, I'm getting you get that 0.21 statics per jab by
0.000343*3+0.013671*2+0.181629*1 = 0.21
Am I correct?
Why does this 0.21 correspond to the faulty 21% that the others are calculating?
Actually the adding up % method (i.e. 7*3). although not accurate, is decent as a estimate for cases where % for an instance is very low, like <10%.
btw I think the calculations are wrong?
it's 1-(chance of no static at all) = 1- 0.93^3, whether it casts once, twice or three times is already factored into the ans.
Mad Mantis
20-03-2004, 15:57
Mantis, I think he meant that if the merc hits 3 times, there's a 21% chance that static will go off at least once... in that case, yes, he's correct. Your calculation is that he'll fire off 3 static fields on 3 consecutive hits.
Damn, a bit of my post got left behind after I spell checked it. I had almost the same calculation as Dausuul.
Dausuul, I'm getting you get that 0.21 statics per jab by
0.000343*3+0.013671*2+0.181629*1 = 0.21
Am I correct?
Why does this 0.21 correspond to the faulty 21% that the others are calculating?You can calculate it that way, but it's a lot easier to calculate that each attack averages 0.07 statics (due to the 7% chance), so three attacks in succession averages 0.21.
The flaw in the others' calculations lies in their assumption that the average number of statics per jab is equal to the chance to cast at least one static per jab. The chance to cast at least one static per jab is slightly less than 21%, because sometimes you get two or three on a single jab. Those occasional double or triple statics are what bring the average up to 0.21.
Necrochild313
23-03-2004, 06:19
lets note I said theoretical
I didn't mean it had a set 21% chance...lol...perhaps on average if anything
lol, I've been reading an interesting book called "What are the odds". It's a low tech intro kinda book with a bit of emphasis on gametheory and gambling. I especially liked the bit how you can show that nothing is probable, but something must happen :D
Opposable Thumbs
23-03-2004, 10:08
jab hits twice.. thats pretty basic. really.
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