Smiter against WW barb: help needed

[spencert]

I have a V/T with max smite/fana/holy shield. My equipment:

1) Silence Phase Blade
2) Shako
3) Verdungo 40/14
4) Upp'd HoZ 193 ed
5) Gore Riders 18x ed
6) Wedding Band x 1
7) Ravenfrost x 1
8) Mara's
9) bloodfist or dracul's

Now I have this irrating barb that likes to challenge me. He equipment is not fantastic... i cant really remember but should be something like this:

1) Azureworth
2) GF or SS (cant remember)
3) Angelic set
4) Verdugos
5) Kraken
6) upp'd shadow dancer

He enchants before the dual although i said it was BM... he answered by saying I can use anything i like. Unfortunately enchant dont do zip for me. Even with Dracul's.

My FoH dmg is too low.. around 1200 to do much dmg. With holy shield I get around 12k defense. I stand a better chance when my friend's barb BO me. But normally I keep getting my *** kicked. :hanky:

Pravda in his guide mention something about using a eth stone to increase holy shield defense and use defiance as aura then smite him? Havent try this yet...

If I transfer my archon enigma and call to arms from my nec maybe i would stand a better chance but I dont want to result to that. :idea:

Any other suggestions? Just bugs the hell outta me that I cant even beat a mediaocre WW barb. :rant:

[Mr.Glasscock]

Hrm, well the easiest way to gain advantage is to toggle to walk so your block doesnt go down.

Your defense sounds pretty good so that should prevent him from hitting you alot. Use shift+smite+ fana or defiance (watever works best) and hit him while he ww's through you. Stand your ground and dont try to follow on his ww walking/running behind him.

If you wanna go more defensive try to charge around him alot, shift charge vigor all around him and throw foh's at him every so often. Then right when his ww ends, try to nail him with a charge and hope you hit and knock him back. If this happens then you could try to go and smite him.

If at any time he tries to zerk you, i suggest you go toe to toe and smite him since you'll most likely hit him more than he'll hit you. When he resumes his ww's then go a screen away or so and begin the strategy in the previous paragraph.

Hope that helps.

[Pravda]

12k def is low. Try to get it higher
Always have walk on
Use a weapon with crushing and open wounds (helps a lot)
Shift-smite
Don't follow the barb as he wws through you. That will get you killed
If he wws in a triangular pattern you might have to move around a little
Use Foh and conviction when you're not smiting

[spencert]

Hrm, well the easiest way to gain advantage is to toggle to walk so your block doesnt go down.

Your defense sounds pretty good so that should prevent him from hitting you alot. Use shift+smite+ fana or defiance (watever works best) and hit him while he ww's through you. Stand your ground and dont try to follow on his ww walking/running behind him.

If you wanna go more defensive try to charge around him alot, shift charge vigor all around him and throw foh's at him every so often. Then right when his ww ends, try to nail him with a charge and hope you hit and knock him back. If this happens then you could try to go and smite him.

If at any time he tries to zerk you, i suggest you go toe to toe and smite him since you'll most likely hit him more than he'll hit you. When he resumes his ww's then go a screen away or so and begin the strategy in the previous paragraph.

Hope that helps.


So I can't stand toe to toe to his WW?

[Diminished-Soul]

Very well put Manuel...

If you can even though your foh damage is low try to take "pot shots" at the barb.

[Mr.Glasscock]

No no, you do stand a chance ww vs your smite, but you can very easily slip up and lose massive life.

Most of the time i do shift smite versus barb's ww. I only have about 13k def and that works ok for me. If you feel better by having for def go ahead, but i think that its just the strategy of walking and knowing when to move.

By all means try to use smite at all times whenver he gets near you. Only go with foh conv if he tries to regen life or if he's letting psn do you damage. Even if it's a little foh damage, it can make a difference at the end.

[FiNaLoRgYkKzOn]

Where's the guide?

[spencert]

No no, you do stand a chance ww vs your smite, but you can very easily slip up and lose massive life.

Most of the time i do shift smite versus barb's ww. I only have about 13k def and that works ok for me. If you feel better by having for def go ahead, but i think that its just the strategy of walking and knowing when to move.

By all means try to use smite at all times whenver he gets near you. Only go with foh conv if he tries to regen life or if he's letting psn do you damage. Even if it's a little foh damage, it can make a difference at the end.


OK will try this strategy next i meet him... wish me luck :)

Thanks alot guys for the quick input

[FiNaLoRgYkKzOn]

OK will try this strategy next i meet him... wish me luck :)

Thanks alot guys for the quick input
Where's Pravda's guide again? The sticky on top links me to a page with ppl posting"where's the guide?".

[spencert]

Where's the guide?

Look at the sticky under Vindicator/Templar Guide, by Pravda

[Pravda]

Where's Pravda's guide again? The sticky on top links me to a page with ppl posting"where's the guide?".

You have to click on the 1.10 pvp paladin guides and go from there

[spencert]

Where's Pravda's guide again? The sticky on top links me to a page with ppl posting"where's the guide?".

http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=533 here's the link.

[DarKAzNKiD]

yes yes yes..those annoyin barbs

i remember goin against a few with my v/t

well in my experience..ive learned that even 15k def is pretty low..this one barb had 20k ar..

the only real strat is walkin and shift+smite and try fohin em...prob wont do that much but still take some hp off

so..thats y im plannin on makin a smiter/charger...im prob goin to pump defiance as a synergy to reach 20-25k def

hoped this helped

P.S if u have low def..the only advise i have for u...is to take it in the ***(my friend told me that) :lady:

[Pravda]

well in my experience..ive learned that even 15k def is pretty low..this one barb had 20k ar..

the only real strat is walkin and shift+smite and try fohin em...prob wont do that much but still take some hp off

so..thats y im plannin on makin a smiter/charger...im prob goin to pump defiance as a synergy to reach 20-25k def

It also depends on how much life you and the barb have. If you choose to smite it's important that you remain stationary when you smite. Following the barb around as he whirlwinds will only get you killed. I usually smite a couple of times so open wounds kicks in before I go defensive and use foh and conviction. Works well enough for me.

[spencert]

It also depends on how much life you and the barb have. If you choose to smite it's important that you remain stationary when you smite. Following the barb around as he whirlwinds will only get you killed. I usually smite a couple of times so open wounds kicks in before I go defensive and use foh and conviction. Works well enough for me.

U using kingslayer or silence with barb?

[Pravda]

kingslayer. i rarely use silence.

[spencert]

kingslayer. i rarely use silence.

Hmm... maybe i should make one... thx

[Halbreed7250]

what happened to the corner?

-as in, stand in a corner and shift smite him.

[strength_honor]

Whatever just use Life Tap wand or Lower Resist Wand.

I dont think Silence Phase Blade is necessary here... you can try to use that Unique Winged Axe... what is it called... Lacerator.

33% of casting Amplify Dmg is no joke...

Asia 1 and Asia 3 Ladder PvP smiters mostly use that or Iron Ward.

I am just curious how you even let the barb catch up to you? I dont see him using Engima... Even with Teleport, it is easy for you to dodge WW too...

[HandofElysium]

Whatever just use Life Tap wand or Lower Resist Wand.

I dont think Silence Phase Blade is necessary here... you can try to use that Unique Winged Axe... what is it called... Lacerator.

33% of casting Amplify Dmg is no joke...

Asia 1 and Asia 3 Ladder PvP smiters mostly use that or Iron Ward.

I am just curious how you even let the barb catch up to you? I dont see him using Engima... Even with Teleport, it is easy for you to dodge WW too...

Etheral Lacerator is even worse. :) I have one on my guy for those loveable big boys LOL. Also if you want to go open wounds style fury zerker with gore riders is nice as well.

[SleepinWinter]

try exile when you duel with high attack rating char

I believe silent berserk axe works better, I cant take botd/beast barb

my def=30k

[Mr.Glasscock]

Aw, cmon, whats all this talk about amp and lower resist.

It's alot more fun and legitimate (imo) to not stack auras or use bo or % to cast blah blah. It's also alot more exciting having 100 life left and taking down a barb with 3k life left by just using strategy. And luck. :surprise:

Do wat i tell you!!! :grrr:

Neways hope that worked and you came out a winner. :bow:

[Pravda]

Ha! Don't forget to load your belt with full rejuvs if everything else fails. :)

[Hex]

Maybe if you have the means to you can use a Ber Ber Ber Ber Um Um Phase blade. 100% Crushing Blow and 50% Open wounds. It is pretty expensive to make, but I have seen it kill entire games of zeal/charge pallys and barbs. Also, if you can get an eth Vortex Exile. I've seen a very godly one with 1310 def with a lvl 16 defiance. This pally had somewhere around 23k def, or so he claimed. But with your problems with barbs it is as Mr.Glasscock said, Shift+Smite.

[Halbreed7250]

Maybe if you have the means to you can use a Ber Ber Ber Ber Um Um Phase blade. 100% Crushing Blow and 50% Open wounds. It is pretty expensive to make, but I have seen it kill entire games of zeal/charge pallys and barbs. Also, if you can get an eth Vortex Exile. I've seen a very godly one with 1310 def with a lvl 16 defiance. This pally had somewhere around 23k def, or so he claimed. But with your problems with barbs it is as Mr.Glasscock said, Shift+Smite.


If i had that sheild (which i'm currenty trying to get...) . . .

I may have . . .

Oh well . . .

I wont tell . . .

I'm very unhappy with the common occurance of that *custom* sword . . .

I see it everwhere now . . .

Die . . .

[Diminished-Soul]

Maybe if you have the means to you can use a Ber Ber Ber Ber Um Um Phase blade. 100% Crushing Blow and 50% Open wounds. It is pretty expensive to make, but I have seen it kill entire games of zeal/charge pallys and barbs. Also, if you can get an eth Vortex Exile. I've seen a very godly one with 1310 def with a lvl 16 defiance. This pally had somewhere around 23k def, or so he claimed. But with your problems with barbs it is as Mr.Glasscock said, Shift+Smite.

Hehe 4 Bers and 2 Ums would be: 80% Cb and 50% Ow *

As, Jer mentions, you see a lot of those know...

[C_Marfy]

If i had that sheild (which i'm currenty trying to get...) . . .

I may have . . .

Oh well . . .

I wont tell . . .

I'm very unhappy with the common occurance of that *custom* sword . . .

I see it everwhere now . . .

Die . . .

Can you please, please stop doing that annoying:

HERE IS A SENTENCE....

HERE IS ANOTHER ONE....

SENTENCE...

SENTENCE, SENTENCE SENTENCE SENTENCE...

I JUST HAVE TO USE THREE FULL STOPS AFTER EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE I WRITE...

Can you please stop that? Please?

[mrJ]

He doesn't do that all the time, he was just trying to be a bit dramatic, it's not exactly something worth being bothered about.

[eviljr.]

Halbreed stop it with the . . . stuff lol.

[Mr.Glasscock]

Evil, you might wanna read before you post. mrJ put up an explanation... and how is anyone suppose to know wat "stuff" means.

I dont even think u understood why C_Marfy complained.

[C_Marfy]

He doesn't do that all the time, he was just trying to be a bit dramatic, it's not exactly something worth being bothered about.

I guess, it's just that I've seen him do it alot. Though he could change it up a bit like: sometimes four full stops, sometimes two etc. :lol: :lol:

I noticed this got a bit off topic, sooooo:

How is the redeemer for smiting? Is the damage added as "huge" as I've heard?

[xpumafangx]

The corner trick all ways worked for me. Even in 1.09. Not only that it is basicly forcing them to use berserk/concentrate on you. Also using foh and dodging his ww, works too. It takes forever as well.

[ƒenris]

Go lacerator, set walk, and shift smite vs barb. Especially with azure or ss, you should own him.

[spencert]

Wow... I didn't know I'd get some many different strategies. Thanks guys. :drool:

During 1.09 when I was dueling BvB, using walk was a must. Should have realized it applies in 1.10 too. :scratch: But then again, I was never really into dueling then. Spent too much time (1/2 year) trying to save up for the 2 x 40/15 max for the perfect 3 (s) ccbq that I crafted. 3rd socket I put in a eth rune. By the time I finished socketing everything, it was almost 1.10. Now it's only a sovenir and I don't even have a wall to display it on. :hanky:

I guess my mistake was that I following him while he WW and not using shift smite. Gotta search my weapon stash to see if I have a Lacerator stashed away. If not, then I will try with the iron ward. Exile is on my wish list but it's very hard to find a good eth shield for it. Someone offered me a 43 resist eth sacred targe for ohm + vex a few weeks back. I wasn't willing to pay the price until I completed outfitting my bone nec then. Now that I have done so... I can put some attention on this v/t. I'm on asia 1 and dupe runes is not in as much abundance as usa east or west. So the 4 x BER's and 2 x UMs option is out for me. The wall trick I may try sometime but honestly it will be pretty boring and lame to stand there all the time against WW barbs.

Again thanks for all the feedback... will report outcome if I find that irritating SOB and duel him again.