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Silkweed
17-03-2004, 09:55
As promised, here's my first good PK story in following up with my "My first PK" thread, which was very helpful in the making of my characters. Now, as most people will recall, my first PK character was a charge paladin named StAnselm. He's still alive and well and has a couple of ears in his stash, but after doing some more studying of builds, I decided that I would in fact try out Sip's DTalon build because I am infinitely more familiar with assassin than I am with pallys (Anselm was my first, and possibly last paladin).
As always with me, the name proved to be the hardest thing to decide upon, and at first I thought it'd be cool to make a sin named "Tai-Chi," since I happen to do Tai Chi and love it. But it looked cheesy in font, so I renamed her "WhiteCrane," after my favourite Tai Chi move.
Well, now for the story. I was checking some games and I discovered a level 30 something necro and a level 27 paladin in a game with no clue as to where they'd be playing. Can't even remember the game's name, it might have been giberish. So I enter the game and right away the necromancer parties. I accept and check my party screen to see where they are and which act I should be in. Oddly enough, the necro was in the Ancients' Way, while the paladin for some reason was in Tal's Tomb. I decided that the necromancer would be easier to kill, so I go to act 5 and announce "Wild Crane Spreads Its Wings," and then I hostile.
They don't leave the game.
I wait the 10 seconds on the waypoint and then jump to the Ancients' Way. The first thing I noticed which seemed amiss was that there were a lot more monsters than I expected. I plow through them, trying not to attack any of them (I don't want to hit 26), in hopes of finding the necromancer, but there are monsters everywhere. And then it hits me - I remembered seeing a portal from the Throne! The necro must have been working his way backwards. So I warp back to town and sure enough he's sitting there with his minions patiently waiting for me to leave. The most he did was tell the paladin "You might want to TP, there's someone hostile in the game."
So that left the paladin. I hit Lut Golein but he's not there, I guess he figured I wouldn't find him in the right Tal's Tomb. Well, I warped over to the canyon and ran down to the last tomb, popped in, saw monsters, ran to the next one. It was eerily quiet, so I checked it out a bit further and discovered some corpses. This was the right tomb.
I followed the trail and discovered my target, a little red X. He was standing still in a room, like he was waiting for me. It had crossed my mind that he might be a charge pally PKK, but I decided I'd go for it anyway. I entered the archway to his room and DF'd into him, taking his life down by a third of a notch, and then kicked for all I was worth. He never knew what hit him.
But here's the kicker (pardon the pun), seconds after the message "Paladin was slain by WhiteCrane" displayed on the screen, the message "I think he's headed your way" appeared from the necromancer.
:lol:
I collected my new ear, TP'd to stash it and then typed in "Wild Horse Divides The Mane," another favourite move that just sounds so scary in light of what had just happened. Now at this point, the pally was laughing about having died and the necromancer was pretty much like "Oh. Damn." But I decided that rather than be spiteful about it, I'd be a good sport, and so I asked if they'd had loot on since if they did, I'd leave and he could get his stuff back. This wasn't the case, so I asked him what he'd lost thinking I could spare some low level items just to get him back on his feet, but despairingly, he merely replied "Everything," and then went on a pity rant about how he was new to hardcore and didn't have anything. I felt bad, so I asked him he'd lost anything specific that I could replace. I guess he thought I was making fun of him, because he became pretty sour and started slinging the usual insults. The funniest one was "You're not even hardcore." I told him nevermind then, and soon after he left. The necro followed shortly.
I ran back to my stash and smiled at my new level 27 paladin ear.
Nice story!
Trying to be polite and generous to those you hunt is good :)
/Magnus
This is the first PK story I've read and will be the last. This will also be my last post on the matter, since this kind of nonsense isn't deserving of my time. It takes me several hours to get my character to a level that high, and the idea that someone would have fun ruining my fun is quite sickening. Why not just go play soccer and break someone's knee's or go play hockey and break their neck? Pker's are no different and they're no better. Like many other good players I play in private games 99.9% of the time, and if that's the kind of game community you want then keep PKing. Let's face it. "Hostiling" and "PKing" in HC is a poor implementation, and should be modified to be only mutual or completely removed. Anyway I didn't really enjoy the story much. If someone wants to write a story about putting a real life bullet in a Pker's head I would highly enjoy it.
Cleglaw_Himself
17-03-2004, 11:01
If someone wants to write a story about putting a real life bullet in a Pker's head I would highly enjoy it.
Well, that story would still be about a pk then (technically a pkk but still a pk).
You shouldn't get so worked up over a game.
Pixels on a screen = if they make you mad, don't play hc.
PK vs non-pk thread, gogogogoogogoggogogoogogogogo!!!
PK vs non-pk thread, gogogogoogogoggogogoogogogogo!!!
Hahahaha..... I'm not so keen on participating in those myself, but I very much enjoy reading them :lol:
/Magnus
If someone wants to write a story about putting a real life bullet in a Pker's head I would highly enjoy it.
I think I've had enough with your 9 posts already, plz go away...
/Magnus
I think I've had enough with your 9 posts already, plz go away...
/Magnus
Quality not quantity... Anyway since I'm not allowed to express myself about something without being insulted let the childish flame-war begin. Funny how I get bashed and the Pker gets defended. You think this makes you hardcore? Does it make you are "hardcore" hockey fan for defending Bertuzzi for breaking another hockey player's neck? No it makes you a moron. Running around being a bully isn't cool no matter what the setting is, especially when you aren't man enough to fight under mutual terms or face to face. I guess those are just "old world" values though. I can't wait to hear what kind of insults I get for having values. I've taken **** before for being a good person, and I'll take **** for it again, but I'll never break. If you get delight in being a bully, than... it doesn't need to be said. You know what you are.
Silkweed
17-03-2004, 11:25
I have a sinking feeling that I've encountered Kalki in a few games and hit the buzzer on him. Somehow the name seems familiar. Or maybe I'm just imagining things.
Anyway, PKing is meant to be part of the game. In Syrian's Protest to Blizzard, he received an email from G. Frazier stating that it was Blizzard's intention to include PKing in the game. There was a sticky for the longest time under the heading "The last word on PKing."
Quality not quantity... Anyway since I'm not allowed to express myself about something without being insulted let the childish flame-war begin. Funny how I get bashed and the Pker gets defended. You think this makes you hardcore? Does it make you are "hardcore" hockey fan for defending Bertuzzi for breaking another hockey player's neck? No it makes you a moron. Running around being a bully isn't cool no matter what the setting is, especially when you aren't man enough to fight under mutual terms or face to face. I guess those are just "old world" values though. I can't wait to hear what kind of insults I get for having values. I've taken **** before for being a good person, and I'll take **** for it again, but I'll never break. If you get delight in being a bully, than... it doesn't need to be said. You know what you are.
Hehe, I guess I'm into this anyway :lol:
What do you call your first post if not flaming and bullying?
Can't an honest PK'er write about his adventures without being flamed by some bully anti-pk'er?
Looks like someone have double standards here ;)
/Magnus
xxsteelxx
17-03-2004, 11:42
I could see how u might be upset with someone useing a trigger to kill u but seriosly....how many experienced d2 players get pked? I mean come on dude its not really that hard to keep ur ear. I cant even remember the last time i was pked...years at least. Even the whole necro trigger thing is kinda lame...If ur like most people and know it exsists there should be no way u would ever die from it. When im in a game and see spirits comming i run....they dont really move that fast lol
RottweilExpress
17-03-2004, 11:44
This will also be my last post on the matter, since this kind of nonsense isn't deserving of my time.
*sigh* We wish.
MoUsE_WiZ
17-03-2004, 11:50
Ok, first off, yes Bertuzzi's sucker punch was kind of on the bad side of things. I won't defend the act, I will defend the breaking of Moore's neck. There is no way that Bertuzzi set out to injur Moore like that, if he did he would have used his stick to try and take the guy's head off. From the replays it looked almost like Bertuzzi was out to pick a fight with Moore. Then he went down on top of him and everyone piled on, who knows when the neck ended up actually broken.
I was going to ignore you as just flame baiting but then you had to go and pull hockey into it...
So from there you say "Anyway since I'm not allowed to express myself about something without being insulted let the childish flame-war begin." Go figure, when you say you want a story about someone getting shot in the head for PKing legitimately within the bounds of the game, you will get flamed. Guess what, read enough news from Korea and you will get stories like that from time to time. Do you think some 15 yearold kid in a cybercafe needs to get beaten to death in an alley over a PKing incident in Lineage? If that's your opinion, how can you go and call yourself a good person? As for these so called "values" of yours, apparently they consist of valuing a few hours of time much more than the life of a person who has a little bit of arguably sadistic fun from time to time. Then you talk about fighting on even terms, and about fair and mutual fights, except where it applies to people who you don't like. For the people you don't like, just go shoot them in the face while they sit facing their computer.
Then you mention quality over quantity, well here's a newsflash Mn_Swe2 has made posts that are actually useful to the general HC community. You on the other hand whine about the way the game you choose to play works. As mentioned, PKing is in the game, live with it. Silk didn't use a WP exploit or duped gear or a maphack to hunt his victim, he played the game in a way that it is partially intended to be played.
I know he's just flamebaiting, and I may fit into the category of YHBT YHL HAND, but he had to draw hockey into it.
Oh, and good story silk, chase the softies back to where they came from, those determined to play HC will come back (perhaps a few times) and be better players for it ^^
Silkweed
17-03-2004, 12:06
Thanks for the support guys. With any luck I will have better stories to share soon.
I think it's funny that just about everyone considers PKers to be mean people. I'm actually a very nice guy, as anyone who has met me online can attest to. PKing is an aspect of the game that I hadn't yet explored and decided I wanted to try. At first it was very hard and I didn't enjoy it very much (I think that also had to do with playing a class I was completely unfamiliar with), but I can say now that the rush of hunting live people is exhilerating. In fact I think it's going to become my new favourite thing for a while.
True, they do not directly consent to fight me, but by staying in the game and choosing to fight me, they are indirectly consenting to fight me. Unfair that my tweaked out assassin killed your same level character? Guess you should have left the game then, or been more careful, or smarter.
As has already been mentioned before, those who do not wish to be PK'd will avoid it easily. There's the hostile warning, the 10 second timer on WP's (I may or may not use the exploit in the future, haven't decided yet), and failing all that, there's always save & exit (or alt-F4).
The only people who are ever killed are killed for one of three reasons (someone already posted this somewhere, I'm just regurgitating it):
1. They're new to the game, and therefore will gain a valuable lesson from a PK, or will go back to the SC environment where they belong.
2. They are unfamiliar with just how much damage a low level PK build can do and think they can beat you with their PvM character build.
3. They are familiar with all aspects of the game and choose to fight you anyway, effectively, this is a duel.
Ok, first off, yes Bertuzzi's sucker punch was kind of on the bad side of things.
Kind of?! I'm apparently dealing with lesser humans. Seriously, this isn't meant to flame or instigate, but this offends me at every level of my being. Maybe I'm trying to awaken some gamers to true sportsmanship, or talk to those who are already awake and tell them they're not alone or crazy. I can respect a good duel, but joining a game without "duel" in the title with the purpose of PKing is supposed to be OK? Sadism against a fellow man is supposed to be tolerable?! That's psychotic. The whole tone of this story, and the reaction of you PKers... I'm speechless.
I understand that PKers will exist in Diablo 2, and I'm not on a campaign to to try and stop them, but if they're going to write "Charles-Manson-style-autobiographies" about their "adventures" than they better expect to get a little beating from the 90% of Diablo gamers who hate them to the core.
they better expect to get a little beating from the 90% of Diablo gamers who hate them to the core.
With a longer stay at this forum you will notice that those 90% are not very frequent at this forum :howdy:
I do respect your right to an opinion, but please leave broken knees, necks and real life bullets out of the discussion ;)
/Magnus
MoUsE_WiZ
17-03-2004, 13:05
Kind of?! I'm apparently dealing with lesser humans. Seriously, this isn't meant to flame or instigate, but this offends me at every level of my being. Maybe I'm trying to awaken some gamers to true sportsmanship, or talk to those who are already awake and tell them they're not alone or crazy. I can respect a good duel, but joining a game without "duel" in the title with the purpose of PKing is supposed to be OK? Sadism against a fellow man is supposed to be tolerable?! That's psychotic. The whole tone of this story, and the reaction of you PKers... I'm speechless.
When I say kind of, I mean it in the sense that it's not nearly as bad as some people blow it up to. Those sorts of hits happen rather frequently, this one ended up in a broken neck. If Bertuzzi had been serious about injuring Moore he would have used his stick in the same way certain players do. He wouldn't have punched him in the face on open ice. Again, I'm not trying to defend the cheap shot, but it's not as "HE SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF THE LEAGUE" as some people try to make it seem.
Then, as to sportsmanship in gaming...hey, here's a tip, IT'S A GAME. People play it for fun. Part of this particular game involves the completely intended design of allowing the killing of another character, whether or not that character especially intends to be made dead. I can understand you not being a fan of it, but you are going to have to accept it. No one gets hit by legit PKs anyways, and few get hit by the ones that exploit bugs and use dupes. If you are in the game after the hostile sound, then you'd better be paying close attention to the map for the little red X. When people do die (as has been stated many the time already) they get to learn a lesson. If they die a second time, well maybe they should reconsider hardcore because they don't belong.
As for "reaction of you PKers," the only ears I've ever gathered have been in duels. I've been PKed once or twice, but never taken part in it myself. Yet still I defend the PK in this event, as quite simply, I accept the way the game works and I play accordingly.
I see you're enjoying my kicksin build.
My kicksin will be comming soon. I've collected all the gear including artisans armor of the col and biggins bonnet with 20%ed jewel in it.
Hm..I have been "against" PK for a long time, but I have come to see them as part of the game. Trigger hacks, exploiting bugs etc..is a different matter but I salute every legit PKer who can kill me. Thing is they won't be able to, because I won't stay in game :lol:
Assign "leave application" on your thumb button and leave when you get hostiled. Don't stay in games etc etc etc..
Kalki, mixing up "bullet in the head" things with PKing in a game is spiteful, childish and thoughtless. This is a game after all - though it is way to addcitive and the game offers ways to level and build a new character within a few hours (lv 70+ is possible in 12 hours and less...a bit more if you don't have friends).
If you die to a PK, you would have sooner or later died in NM or hell. If you do not die to a PK, you might still die by a monster. Its just something that you have to accept. Be thankful that you don't play 1.09, the time of GA killerzons, tp hostiles, Hydra townkills and trigger/drop hacks in Bloodies.
About your claim that in postcounts it's quality that counts, not quantity I have one thing to say:
:lol:
Personally I dont find a story about a 25 pkin a 27 worthy of anything but a "weak" tag!
PKs can try me all they want but those picking on a similar lvl or lower are simply weak and pathetic!
With a longer stay at this forum you will notice that those 90% are not very frequent at this forum
/Magnus
Hi Magnus ...
But some of that 90% do frequent this forum regularly ..... like me, an avid PvMer.
Yes, PKers are part of Diablo .... but that doesn't mean that those of us who play PvM have to "enjoy" the presence of Pkers. You cost us time, effect, and items (if you manage to get a kill).
Yes, I have seen the arguement which goes like "Hey, you don't like the Pker in the game, then leave". Problem is when a PvM creates a game to do a particular quest. Some other PvMers join and a good party is formed. Maybe you play for 30 minutes, get the peices of the staff assembled ready to open the way to Duriel, and then some Pker joins the game and hostiles everyone. The PvMers bail, as most of us are not twinked like PKers and the game / party is wasted.
Sure its part of the game ... but don't exect us to be overjoyed by the presence of PKers. You ARE spoiling our fun, regardless of being legit or not.
YES we have to live it .... NO we don't have to like it.
Regards Syxx
doubleOObubble
17-03-2004, 14:50
"but joining a game without "duel" in the title with the purpose of PKing is supposed to be OK?"
This is the reason why you and the others don't agree Kalki. Until you realize that everyone not egreeing with you does not share your "understanding" on the quoted line above, there is no point arguing more.
In short: You think non-consensual PvP should not be in the game. It is in the game. Others (those not agreeing with you) have adapted that this is how Blizzard made their game. Make your own game with your rules and everyone is happy. Go ahead and whine about hacks, I do that too, but giving the 10 seconds at WP, tracking down the right tomb and killing an apperantly unaware Paladin is exactly what the non-consensual hostile button is there for. There is nothing to argue.
Kalki, I think you are taking things a little too seriously here buddy. You say you are "dealing with lesser humans" and that you would applaud a "real life bullet in the head" to a pker, and that all pkers are sadistic etc etc.
Guess what? I pk, and I am not sadistic. If I were feeling sadistic enough to go take out my anger on people in a video game, I would boot up Unreal tournament, and get 150 frags, not Diablo, and maybe kill 2 or 3 people an hour.
You seem to think that you are somehow superior because you dont pk. Would you care to explain why? And dont say that pking makes us cruel sadistic, child beating, dog eating cannibals, because that is just a lame argument to fill in for the fact that you dont happen to like being hunted in diablo II. So, why exactly are you better than me? or SiP, or Magnus? or Silkweed? or any pker? I would be willing to bet that most of the pkers from these forums have equal or better online "manners" as you do. By manners i mean being polite and conciderate to other players, when we are not hunting of course. For example: I routinely give away mid level items in act3 or act5quest games, the kind of items that are decent, but i dont want to keep them on a mule for 6 months and never really use them, I give them to people who are not begging for rushes or items, people who play the game through, and who play for fun, not to be the 1337est of the 1337 and go around spamming WUG or WUW at people, the kind of people I enjoy playing with.
But I digress, why exactly, are you better than a pker?
You say quality over quantity? Last time I checked, posts suggesting shooting people for killing your character in a video game lack a certian element... what could it be? Oh yes! Quality!
Of course you have EVERY right to be anti-pk, I rather enjoy these discussions too, nobody is suggesting you conform to be a pk, or that you blindly accept the pro pk arguments, you have every right to your opinion, thats not what we are saying, there are PLENTY of anti-pk's on these forums, say, oh, TerryManning.
The difference is, Terry makes his points by providing backup for what he says, he is polite, he does not flame, he does not suggest that people be shot, he does not compare killing a d2 character to breaking someones neck, most people here, you excluded, seem to realize that what happens in diablo is not really all that comperable to what happens in real life. If someone said WUG 17 times in a row to me in real life, I would not hunt them down, If someone said WUG 17 times to me in diablo, they would already be dead or have fluxed by the time they were saying "wug" for the 17th time. You need to realize that pkers are more than sadistic mean people who take out their anger on innocent bystanders, we pk not to be evil and destroy your work, but for the thrill of the hunt.
When I pk, 95% of the time, I tell the entire game that I am a pker, and I am here for their ears, leave or be hunted. Then I hostile. Then I wait 10 seconds. No offense, but if you are still there after 15 seconds of that, and i actually GET to you and kill you, your ear is rightfully mine. If you fall to any legit pker, you just had it coming, be glad it was now, not 20 levels down the road when you go AFK to make a coffee while leaving you amazon in the chaos sanctuary. The point is, that avoiding legit pks, you know, the ones you seem to be bashing as inferior people, is very, very easy. I pvm a good deal as well as pvping, and I get hostiled my fair share, but never pked, its too easy to avoid!
-Matt
Hi Magnus ...
But some of that 90% do frequent this forum regularly ..... like me, an avid PvMer.
Yes, PKers are part of Diablo .... but that doesn't mean that those of us who play PvM have to "enjoy" the presence of Pkers. You cost us time, effect, and items (if you manage to get a kill).
Yes, I have seen the arguement which goes like "Hey, you don't like the Pker in the game, then leave". Problem is when a PvM creates a game to do a particular quest. Some other PvMers join and a good party is formed. Maybe you play for 30 minutes, get the peices of the staff assembled ready to open the way to Duriel, and then some Pker joins the game and hostiles everyone. The PvMers bail, as most of us are not twinked like PKers and the game / party is wasted.
Sure its part of the game ... but don't exect us to be overjoyed by the presence of PKers. You ARE spoiling our fun, regardless of being legit or not.
YES we have to live it .... NO we don't have to like it.
Regards Syxx
I know a lot of people in here dislike PK'ers ans how they play the game. But I hardly think you "hate us to the core", as the quoted phrase was. Next KTA-game will turn into a mess in that case :lol:
Interesting and fun to see how both avid pro- and anti-PK'ers can get along as well as we do in KTA :)
/Magnus
Wheee - been toooo long since we had one of these :)
I dont pk (not in my nature) nor will I probably ever pk.
But for those who do pk, I say fair enough........
Sorry Syxx, but if you dont want people pking, play with friends (I do),
or leave the game...........
Blizzard have given us enough options (IMO).
Anyway - this is all my opinion, so if other feel differently, so be it :)
Not sure about shooting someone for a video game "sin" though???
Bit harsh :)
Kev
Sorry Syxx, but if you dont want people pking, play with friends (I do),
or leave the game......
:lol:
He does just that Kev, play with friends. He's the founder of KTA, in case you forgot ;)
/Magnus
[QUOTE=Mn_Swe2
He does just that Kev, play with friends. He's the founder of KTA, in case you forgot ;)
/Magnus[/QUOTE]
I know that Swe...
Im just making (my version) of the point :)
This is all a game, and should be treated as such.
I have been pked in the past, and while mildly annoying, its not the end of the world ......
Now dying from stupidity - thats a whole new board game :grrr:
Kev
I say, everybody needs to experience getting PK'ed at least once. Makes you a better player.
That said, I still have to cross over to the dark side, as it is said PKing also makes you a better player.
I know a lot of people in here dislike PK'ers ans how they play the game. But I hardly think you "hate us to the core", as the quoted phrase was. Next KTA-game will turn into a mess in that case :lol:
Interesting and fun to see how both avid pro- and anti-PK'ers can get along as well as we do in KTA :)
/Magnus
Hi Magnus,
"Hate us (PKers) to the core" ... hehe, no ofcourse I don't hate Pkers to the core ... that take time and effect, which can be better used on other things.
As for you specifically Magnus, I have played regularly with you and Tloopz (another part time pker... or is that ppker ?) in KTA for a couple of months now. KTA is in a PvM Team. In game I have trusted you both with my character life on many an occassions, and EVERY single time, you have both covered my back, even to the extent of risking your own characters death, in the name of team spirit and comraderie.
Thats what friendship is all about.
I just look upon your forays in PK'ing as "temperory insanity" :flip:
Take care mate .... cya tonight
Syxx
I just look upon your forays in PK'ing as "temperory insanity" :flip:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
SonOfRah
17-03-2004, 15:51
I see you're enjoying my kicksin build.
My kicksin will be comming soon. I've collected all the gear including artisans armor of the col and biggins bonnet with 20%ed jewel in it.
@Sip, ed "j00ls" nor max/min do not do anything for kick damage. All it is is boots damage, and str/dex. Unless of course I fully misread the kick damage formulae stickied in the sin forum..
1. They're new to the game, and therefore will gain a valuable lesson from a PK, or will go back to the SC environment where they belong.
2. They are unfamiliar with just how much damage a low level PK build can do and think they can beat you with their PvM character build.
3. They are familiar with all aspects of the game and choose to fight you anyway, effectively, this is a duel.
@Silkweed
1) I was pked in SC, and that was origionally why I went to HC all those years ago (it really has been that long lol). I got pked there too, but I shrugged that off and pkked a bit instead.
2) Hasn't been me yet :)
3) Funny how all except 2 of my ladder characters got an ear, either by pkking or pking or duel. Makes me wonder why a pker would insist on trying to pk one of my BtK tagged characters....
Grats on your kill, and I hope the rush stays with you. And I do hope that you don't stoop to the low level of bugs and unfair glitches (ie wp glitch). One time I was pking the same run for about 7 runs straight, with no deaths. Some jerk told me that I should jump people at the entrance for more kills. So the next run I demonstrated how easy and lame that is - by picking up his ear off the ground. The silly sod figured I was a "newb" pker and that he was safe just leeching at the entrance.
Its alot more fun when you have to hunt. And more challenging, so don't make it a chore.
@Kalki
All I can really say and do is to shake my head. Why you may ask? Simply because your words have been repeated and argued over these very forums ever since I can rememeber - and that is a long long time.
I tend to avoid pk vs anti pk threads because the arguement has never gone anywhere. Everyone has their views and oppinions and that isn't going to change. What you should do if you approach one of these type of topics is to keep a clear and open mind - and quite frankly you have come into this thread with a closed mind.
1) pking has, and will always be part of Diablo. There is no changing that.
2) there is a huge difference between lamers and pkers. lamers are the ones that you and the general public bnet are used to. Exploiting hacks, bugs, glitches and use bad manners to get ears and ruin other peoples fun. Most pkers from the looks of things fall under this category
3) if someone who doesn't exploit or abuse the system wants to pk, then I say go right ahead and have some fun. I used to hostile for 6 or 7 hours straight on some occasions, and quite often I was glad I even got an ear every 2 hours. The most enjoyable times was when I ended up with several ears every hour - not because I got the ears, but simply because more ears meant that I had more of a rush getting those ears.
@Stinger
"Weak" as though you may see it, but everyone has to start somewhere and the best is at or around their own level. Simply because you do not have the pvp experience necessary and tend to use really cheap equipment. I've hunted characters all around my level, and so long as I don't have a too great level advantage or give them a good headstart there really isn't a problem. If they stick around they tend to die, or every now and then they fight me off if the group can work well enough.
@Everyone else.
Drop the arguement in this thread please. This thread was really aimed towards those who gave input in his previos thread, so there is no need to go out and ruin it. Sure pkers may ruin your fun, but that isn't the right to go out and a) ruin this thread and b) start a flame war.
If you want to start another flame war or pk vs anti-pk arguement - start your own thread dedicated to that, and keep this one clean.
Sorry Syxx, but if you dont want people pking, play with friends (I do),
or leave the game...........
Kev
Hi Kev,
Mostly I do play in private games with good friends (KTA) ... but sometimes I do make open games without a password. If I create a game to do some questing .... why should I have to leave MY game, when a PKer enters to hunt for ears ?
The answer is .... because if I dont leave, I risk dying to a Pker...
As I've said previousy, I accept it, but I don't have to like it.
Regards Syxx
Syxx,
Taken post offline, as we could go on all night :)
Kev
I kinda glossed over all but the first post because it turned into a wang measuring contest, but the first post was a neat story. :thumbsup:
I can't see why people get all worked up over PK. Let me put it this way, when I play it's after 6+ beers. I've been PKed just once and that was because I stood there and heckled the guy while he was killing me; he was totally terrible.
PK is incredibly easy to avoid. If I can do it, you'd better be able to.
SonOfRah
17-03-2004, 16:04
I kinda glossed over all but the first post because it turned into a wang measuring contest, but the first post was a neat story. :thumbsup:
I can't see why people get all worked up over PK. Let me put it this way, when I play it's after 6+ beers. I've been PKed just once and that was because I stood there and heckled the guy while he was killing me; he was totally terrible.
PK is incredibly easy to avoid. If I can do it, you'd better be able to.
6!!!!
When did you reduce the minimum number of beers that you required before playing D2??
:D
I have lots of people that i play with that PK. Ive even given them gear, yes given. But i do not like pking, and wish blizzard had made the game different. More of a dueling set up. The fact is i did not make the game so i play within the games design. And i avoid pkers.
Sorry to my pker friends but in many ways you will never understand you do ruin the playing experience of many players. Youre enjoyment is at the expense of others, useally those not experienced enough to avoid you. Is it legit? yes. Is it fun for the pker? yes. Fun and legit who can pass it up and lol its just a game the poor newb should of known better.
That said im still waiting for the game that gets pvp dueling correct, maybe guild wars will be the one. If one does come along then I will be there.
The first time I heard the hostile horn while out of town I laughed thinking the idea that someone would try to PK a lvl 46 cleric paladin absurd, hit the party button to see his level, did a little more speed reading to access things, and saw a Sorc teleporting toward me ready to strike all within seconds. At that moment D2 (and a little of real life) was changed forever. As the lvl 49 threw his maxed frozen orb at my lvl 46 cleric paladin I was hurt, not pixels and microchips, but personal pain. My heart felt like it was going to explode, and I'm sure he knew this because he later he typed "lol" and all sorts of taunts to further cause me grief. Luckily, my paladin made it into a TP unscathed with shards of ice mere pixels from me, but I was hurt for days. A few others in game weren't so lucky and he killed them. He was obviously using a maphack as he knew where everyone was. They seemed just as hurt as me. I kid you not when I say I felt depressed for a few days at the thought that someone would enjoy hurting others so much for fun. There was someone on the other end of my computer. Someone with a heart, brain, thoughts, fears, etc... who was reaching out to inflict pain on me. Could human nature stoop any lower than Sadism or torture? Later on he was someone who sounded intelligent and rationalized his hunt as fun for him.
From what I understand PKers enjoy the "hunt" and to be feared by other players. They enjoy terrorizing others and making them leave or be mistrustful. They make most people go play in private games entirely, and having the remaining that brave public games have special binds to exit the game quickly, or always to be mistrustful of everyone else. They enjoy the personal pain and grief it causes others, when someone loses all that time and effort they invested into their hobby. While all PKers here claim not to hack, very few times has someone tried to PK me without hacking, so I suspect at least some here are lying about not hacking (or maybe they spend too much time on these boards and not enough time playing). I understand that the hostile feature is in the game. I have made some comments about wishing that it was implemented differently, but I don't kid myself that it is going away. I expect people to use it, but I don't expect PKers to make it sound like what they are doing is honorable or a cool thing to do. It's just not the case, and that is where my problem lies. There might be honor is duels, but there is NO honor in PKing. I don't care which angle you look at because there is zilch. In a way I'm kind of glad the hostile button is in the game, because it gives me a chance to see someone's true colors and how low they will stoop when there is no fear of punishment.
The bottom line: if you are a PKer DO NOT use words like honor, honesty, fair, etc... as it is totally unbefitting of your style and makes you look like a delusional psychopath. As for my real life wishes to hear a story of a PKer getting a little real life payback, I stand my ground because a bullet in the head doesn't compare to the anguish and mistrust these bullies try to breed in honest and good people on a daily basis. You could argue to me to just find another game, but every single game I left was because of hackers or trouble-makers. I like in a crime-filled area where I can't walk down the street at night. That's a reason I play so many games. People as a whole are becoming increasing crueler and more harmful to one another, and now even in games. If I saw something on the news about a PKer hunted down I'd probably just laugh, because FEAR is the only thing that keeps the psychopaths in check both in the game and real life.
SonOfRah
17-03-2004, 16:29
Define fair, and honest, and honor? And then apply them.
See thats where our view and differences mainly lie. I can apply those words to my pking forays simply because that is how I see it most of the time. Notice I say most, and that is because some things simply cannot be avoided when you go out pking. I know I'm a jerk when I do it, but I see myself as an honorable jerk.
Blizzard created this game to cater for a wide variety of players, and they did a admirable job. Because of that there are always going to be players at the extremes, and there are always going to be players who feel like they were stepped on in the game. You can't have one thing without loosing another.
And last time I checked BofW hack wasn't technically a hack..... (old joke sorry....I couldn't resist)
Frankly - I enjoyed the story. It just goes to show that stupidity will get you killed in HC. Had the Paladin used his brain, he'd have TPed to Town and been safe. Can't really say he didn't have enough time.
Don't think I'll pick up PKing anytime soon - have yet to get the hang of HC, let alone find the needed items to heavily twink - but since it's a valid option in the game, I seriously wonder why people have so many problems with it.
Just a question to the PKers - if the people being hunted TP to town and tell you they'll wait there till you have left... would that end the hunt for you ?
Or would you leave and reenter ?
terrymanning
17-03-2004, 16:40
I say, everybody needs to experience getting PK'ed at least once. Makes you a better player.
That said, I still have to cross over to the dark side, as it is said PKing also makes you a better player.
Killing level 1x characters with a level 29 BSnap Charger in the sewers wouldn't make me a better player. It would just make me a prick.
TM
SonOfRah
17-03-2004, 16:41
Frankly - I enjoyed the story. It just goes to show that stupidity will get you killed in HC. Had the Paladin used his brain, he'd have TPed to Town and been safe. Can't really say he didn't have enough time.
Don't think I'll pick up PKing anytime soon - have yet to get the hang of HC, let alone find the needed items to heavily twink - but since it's a valid option in the game, I seriously wonder why people have so many problems with it.
Just a question to the PKers - if the people being hunted TP to town and tell you they'll wait there till you have left... would that end the hunt for you ?
Or would you leave and reenter ?
I've done several things.
Sometimes I've waited and have actually gotten an ear from that
Othertimes I've trapped their wp and left
Sometimes I've re-entered
Sometimes I've left for another game.
Really depends on what I feel like doign at the moment, and how much of a "prick" my targets are being. Simply put, some of the public gamers you just want to kill when you are pvming. They are that bad - at least thats my view.
SonOfRah
17-03-2004, 16:42
Killing level 1x characters with a level 29 BSnap Charger in the sewers wouldn't make me a better player. It would just make me a prick.
TM
Terry, he was refering to the person who gets pked in that situation, and not the pker.
A pker who does that is lame. A person who gets hit by that should technically learn from it.
Just a question to the PKers - if the people being hunted TP to town and tell you they'll wait there till you have left... would that end the hunt for you ?
Or would you leave and reenter ?
Yes, a few times I have come back in the same questing game after just a few secs, simply joining the same game by mistake.
But when I realize it, I can't do much else but leave right away. I couldn't kill them the first time, why would I succeed the second?
Enter/re-entering runs (sewer-runs) is a different story though, since so many people transfer in/out of those games.
/Magnus
terrymanning
17-03-2004, 16:45
Terry, he was refering to the person who gets pked in that situation, and not the pker.
A pker who does that is lame. A person who gets hit by that should technically learn from it.
No, he was referring to PK-ing making you a better player. I suppose it depends on how you do it.
TM
That said, I still have to cross over to the dark side, as it is said PKing also makes you a better player.
As for my real life wishes to hear a story of a PKer getting a little real life payback, I stand my ground because a bullet in the head doesn't compare to the anguish and mistrust these bullies try to breed in honest and good people on a daily basis
This, if nothing else, shows that you, Sir, are in fact sick.
No, he was referring to PK-ing making you a better player. I suppose it depends on how you do it.
I don't remember saying I would be a PKer that only hunts ppl below his lv :scratch: For Stinger, it seemed, even a lv 25 killing a lv 27 is unfair, as they are "about the same level". So everybody draws the line somewhere else.
I got PKed at lv 25 by a lv 45 Druid. Lame Druid, okay..but I had ample time to leave the game. Build a new character and haven't been Pked for months.
This, if nothing else, shows that you, Sir, are in fact sick.
I'll admit I'm a bit extreme, but at least I'm on the good side of extreme. All you PKers keep saying that if someone get's PKed than they were dumb. So you enjoy picking on the weak and helpless? The way I was raised that is the definition of sick. The reason I'm extreme is because the life that I've lived (outside of my family) has been filled with disrespect and abuse. What goes around comes around. One day the pain you breed will come back on you ten-fold. That is the way the world is and always will be, and it's inevitable to avoid. It's called Karma. You mean to tell me that if a kid who bullied you in High School died you wouldn't be somewhat pleased? Nonsense.
strijdje
17-03-2004, 17:36
nice pk there, good kill & nice behaviour... nothing wrong with it...
gratz on the first good one :clap:
Cleglaw_Himself
17-03-2004, 17:46
The first time I heard the hostile horn while out of town I laughed thinking the idea that someone would try to PK a lvl 46 cleric paladin absurd, ... As the lvl 49 threw his maxed frozen orb at my lvl 46 cleric paladin
That's why Kalki, maybe you need to every now and then, lvl up a mega-enchanted 46 charger pally pkk and wait for the hostile horn.
Then you could have rid the bnet world of one no-longer-laughing Orb pker.
This is the whole reason I got into dueling in the first place. i.e. I got pked multiple times, didn't like it, learnt all I could, and built some characters to withstand these attacks.
Anytime I hear the hostile horn these days, when I'm pvm'ing, I tp to town or exit ASAP depending on situation. No exceptions and thus no nasty surprises.
If I stay out on the field, then I've been waiting for them, and hopefully have been enchanted by my 75 enchantress beforehand...
Children that are bullies at school mostly have issues at home, such as child abuse, and take their frustrations out on others. Karma there may be, but we are not talking about real life here in Diabloworld. Its about swords, shields, strength, dexterity, vitality and survival of the fittest against monsters or other players. Don't let things get to you so much!
Why not just go play soccer and break someone's knee's or go play hockey and break their neck? Pker's are no different and they're no better. Like many other good players I play in private games 99.9% of the time, and if that's the kind of game community you want then keep PKing. If someone wants to write a story about putting a real life bullet in a Pker's head I would highly enjoy it.
hi. i've had a loaded gun to my head, and had a pker come after me. they are NO WHERE near the same, baby. real life death != fake online game death.
edit: i enjoyed the original story :cool:
Chiller_babe
17-03-2004, 18:17
[QUOTE=SonOfRah
3) Funny how all except 2 of my ladder characters got an ear, either by pkking or pking or duel. Makes me wonder why a pker would insist on trying to pk one of my BtK tagged characters....
.[/QUOTE]
Rah - don't you think for one tiny moment that getting that particular ear would be worth the risk :uhhuh:
If I was lucky/unlucky enough to see a BtK tagged charc when hunting that would be a red rag to a bull, sure I will probably die, but the chance I will win would be more than worth it :lol:
Apart from that there is way too much vitriol for my sensitive eyes in this thread to read on, just Chill Out and taken life as it comes
Chill
CoonerTheRed
17-03-2004, 18:33
woot, it was just last night that i read a post where someone said "there hasn't been a good pk argument/flame war lately"... and then i wake up to this :D
thanks all, you make my contacts feel good :lol:
I laughed on every kalkis post. Pking in game dont make u any bad in
person. And if u want someone to get killed in real life because he pked u in game. Thats sad. U should not take game that real. And about honor , fairness or anything in pking... There no honor or fairness in pking. I dont think many pk kills other players for to be honour or fair. They pk for fun to himself and for getting well known by other players. I know because im pker and i enjoy that part of game most.
I'll admit I'm a bit extreme, but at least I'm on the good side of extreme. All you PKers keep saying that if someone get's PKed than they were dumb. So you enjoy picking on the weak and helpless? The way I was raised that is the definition of sick. The reason I'm extreme is because the life that I've lived (outside of my family) has been filled with disrespect and abuse. What goes around comes around. One day the pain you breed will come back on you ten-fold. That is the way the world is and always will be, and it's inevitable to avoid. It's called Karma. You mean to tell me that if a kid who bullied you in High School died you wouldn't be somewhat pleased? Nonsense.
And still you make the comparison with real life death and a real life bullet to the head? And call that the good side of extreme?
BTW, I enjoyed the original story as well and do not think we have a flame war here. We are not calling each other names and we do not verbally abuse each other IMHO
A. Silkweed:
PK's are an acceptible part of the game. I can respect that. IF you use the WP bypass you lose all respect in what you are currently doing IMHO.
B. Sucker punches like Bertuzzi did to Moore happen in about 25% of all hockey games. They go unpunished constantly. The NHL is taking a double standard on this action. If Bertuzzi intended to hurt him he woulda Slew footed him (which also goes unpunished in almost every NHL game) or slashed him across the forearms. The real question on this injury should be being answered by the helmet makers. That punch knocked Moore out (if you didnt see this watch the replay again, he was out before he hit the ice which caused the broken neck). Bertuzzi wasnt even swinging that hard with his glove on and knock Moore out with his helmet on. Hockey helmets need to be improved. Look at the rise of concussions in the NHL in the last few years. IT is sickening. The NHL and the helmet manufacturers sure want to keep this under wraps though. So they punish and point fingers at a player actions as the cause of the problem, but it lies much deeper than that. Watch Bertuzzi's press conference and you will see a quite remorseful individual. Everyone makes mistakes from time to time. He did the crime and will serve the time, and the NHL will get off scott free and actions like Bertuzzi's will continue around the league unpunished for the most part till this happens again.
Chiller_babe
17-03-2004, 19:08
I'll admit I'm a bit extreme, but at least I'm on the good side of extreme. All you PKers keep saying that if someone get's PKed than they were dumb. So you enjoy picking on the weak and helpless? The way I was raised that is the definition of sick. The reason I'm extreme is because the life that I've lived (outside of my family) has been filled with disrespect and abuse. What goes around comes around. One day the pain you breed will come back on you ten-fold. That is the way the world is and always will be, and it's inevitable to avoid. It's called Karma. You mean to tell me that if a kid who bullied you in High School died you wouldn't be somewhat pleased? Nonsense.
Mate you need to take a reality check. If you feel this bad about a game, find something else to do with your time.
I agree entirely with the fact that disrespect and abuse is uncalled for - but this isn't real life - it's just a bunch of 1's and 0's on a server that none of us even own so getting upset about it is kinda pointless.
I wouldn't say getting pked once or twice is dumb - anymore than twice I would say is careless but not dumb. Hell I still get Pked every now and then when I am wondering "how good is this guy, can I take him with my moulten boulder druid:)"
But anyways PK's are here to stay - just alt f4 when you hear the siren and you will never be pked again! Or at least TP to town - then you can flame them for ruining your game:) - always goes down a treat!
Lastly I don't think most of the Pk's on this forum enjoy preying on weak and helpless - where is the challenge in that? I must admit PKKing is more fun than PK but you try sitting in games all day waiting for some1 to hostile you - that really will turn you insane!
Chill
Lostprophet
17-03-2004, 19:33
Your thread title is a misnomer (or oxymoron, if you prefer). There are no good PK stories.
I agree with Kalki on one and only one of his points, which was the one about playing sports with intent to injure. When you try to injure someone while playing a sport, that is sick and disgusting. Images of that Flyers' player (wow that sounded convincing) (I think it was Bobby Clarke?) breaking the leg of the Russian player at the Olympics during the pre-game skate come to mind, as does Bertuzzi's sucker punch. Whether or not Bertuzzi intended to break Moore's neck, you do not, under any circumstances, sucker punch somebody from behind and fall on them without intent to harm them, in some way. Period. If you want to simply send a message, you instigate a fight or find an excuse to nail them to the boards.
The parallel between sports and video games is not a good one to draw, because no one actually gets hurt from playing video games. However, I still don't understand the mindset of PKers. Why would you consciously want to ruin the fun of someone who has probably spent weeks, even months, of their time leveling and building a character? I understand that PKing is fun for you, but at what cost? The fun of someone else? Is PKing even a challenge? If you find a PvM player who hasn't run yet, do they even stand a ghost of a chance? Do the reactions of pissed off PKees make you happy? Is it satisfying to know that, by building your character specifically to take advantage of those who were unprepared, you got to spoil months of play time in a single instant?
Your thread title is a misnomer (or oxymoron, if you prefer). There are no good PK stories.
I agree with Kalki on one and only one of his points, which was the one about playing sports with intent to injure. When you try to injure someone while playing a sport, that is sick and disgusting. Images of that Flyers' player (wow that sounded convincing) (I think it was Bobby Clarke?) breaking the leg of the Russian player at the Olympics during the pre-game skate come to mind, as does Bertuzzi's sucker punch. Whether or not Bertuzzi intended to break Moore's neck, you do not, under any circumstances, sucker punch somebody from behind and fall on them without intent to harm them, in some way. Period. If you want to simply send a message, you instigate a fight or find an excuse to nail them to the boards.
The parallel between sports and video games is not a good one to draw, because no one actually gets hurt from playing video games. However, I still don't understand the mindset of PKers. Why would you consciously want to ruin the fun of someone who has probably spent weeks, even months, of their time leveling and building a character? I understand that PKing is fun for you, but at what cost? The fun of someone else? Is PKing even a challenge? If you find a PvM player who hasn't run yet, do they even stand a ghost of a chance? Do the reactions of pissed off PKees make you happy? Is it satisfying to know that, by building your character specifically to take advantage of those who were unprepared, you got to spoil months of play time in a single instant?
Aw don't be afraid to admit you agree with me. Anyway, finally a voice of reason, and someone I could actually consider sane. I agree with almost all that you have said. Drawing parallel's between the Bertuzzi incident and PKing isn't the best to draw (for obvious reasons that you made clear), but I used the Bertuzzi incident because it's something that's fresh in everyone's mind, and I thought most people would be outraged about. I was trying to use the outrage from the unsportsmanlike nature of that incident to make people look at how PKing is unsportsmanlike. Keep in mind here that dueling is a whole other ballpark than PKing. Well I guess I was wrong here as people are more concerned with saying "Bertuzzi could've done worse" or going after the helmet manufacturers! It it really any surpise with such logic that people thinks it's OK to run around PKing people all day, and still calling themselves good and honest people?! I went over the top a bit, and I know it's just a video game, but IMHO there are serious mental defects with people who PK and still consider themselves good people. In Baseball a pitcher can throw a fastball at a batter's head if he chooses, but if he did would that make him a good person in your mind? sigh... I'm really running out of analogies here. This should be straight forward logic people. Can we all agree that there is no such thing as a good PK? Of course we can't. sigh
Chiller_babe
17-03-2004, 20:05
Your thread title is a misnomer (or oxymoron, if you prefer). There are no good PK stories.
. However, I still don't understand the mindset of PKers. Why would you consciously want to ruin the fun of someone who has probably spent weeks, even months, of their time leveling and building a character? I understand that PKing is fun for you, but at what cost? The fun of someone else? Is PKing even a challenge? If you find a PvM player who hasn't run yet, do they even stand a ghost of a chance? Do the reactions of pissed off PKees make you happy? Is it satisfying to know that, by building your character specifically to take advantage of those who were unprepared, you got to spoil months of play time in a single instant?
The answer to that question in 1.09 was simply there was no other challenge!
Once you have killed everything umpteen times you look for a new challenge, which could quite possibly be killing other players.
In 1.10 ladder however the only people I have PKed/hostiled have been people that irritated me severely - spammers, racists, morons - the realms abound with these sort of people and even anti PK people can't object to the removal of some such:)
Another reason to PK people on the ladder especially when it is young is to kill off rival ladder runners - and I am sure next season this phenomenon will make it's reappearance (here is hoping).
Chill
kridebbent
17-03-2004, 20:26
A few things that everybody knows, or should know, about PKing:
1) PKing is part of the game. It's legitimate and as long as the PKs play by the rules, they are legitimate. We all may have our personal opinions about their character or motivation but that is irrelevant.
2) PKs who do not play by the rules, including those who bypass the intentional 10 second hostile delay, are cheaters.
3) People who get PK'd by legitimate PKers were either trying to fight back or were hopelessly clueless.
4) PKs who kill people that are less than (the PK's level + 5) are lame. Legit, but lame. This is because PvP and PvM builds are vastly different.
That about sums up my feeling on PKs.
DFA-FrstbyteOO
17-03-2004, 20:32
There's the hostile warning, the 10 second timer on WP's (I may or may not use the exploit in the future, haven't decided yet), and failing all that, there's always save & exit (or alt-F4).
Silk please do not resort to using an exploit. I enjoyed your pk story and as someone above me here (sorry forgot who) mentioned.. you will lose all repect for resorting to a lame tatic. might as well go trigger too if your gonna start to step outside the bounds.
stay legit all the way and brush off the many insults your bound to get from the ppl you PK and the anti-pkers here on the boards..
I find that bringing up Berrtuzi in this instance is rather sad for a couple of reasons.
Fighing is semiapproved in the NHL as they rarely get anyhitng but 5 min majors up to dismissal from said game.
Berrtuzi came from behind and decked the guy, then unfortunately they both fell. The guy getting busted was clearly "dazed or out cold" landed very unfortunately with Todd landing on top of him thus breaking the poor guys neck.
Now, if he had flattened this guy, busted him for 30 stitches but the "unfortunate fall" never occured then we would of seen AT THE MOST a game missconduct! Anyone disagreeing here simply doesnt watch a lot of the NHL.
Berrtuzi and his victim (name I dont recall) are both victims in a sense in this situation because if the fall hadnt happened this would of been simple 2 min ESPN story and move on.
cyradis2003
17-03-2004, 21:09
At that moment D2 (and a little of real life) was changed forever. As the lvl 49 threw his maxed frozen orb at my lvl 46 cleric paladin I was hurt, not pixels and microchips, but personal pain. My heart felt like it was going to explode, ......, I kid you not when I say I felt depressed for a few days at the thought that someone would enjoy hurting others so much for fun. There was someone on the other end of my computer. Someone with a heart, brain, thoughts, fears, etc... who was reaching out to inflict pain on me. Could human nature stoop any lower than Sadism or torture? Later on he was someone who sounded intelligent and rationalized his hunt as fun for him.
.... They (pk'ers) enjoy the personal pain and grief it causes others, when someone loses all that time and effort they invested into their hobby.
.... As for my real life wishes to hear a story of a PKer getting a little real life payback, I stand my ground because a bullet in the head doesn't compare to the anguish and mistrust these bullies try to breed in honest and good people on a daily basis.
.... If I saw something on the news about a PKer hunted down I'd probably just laugh, because FEAR is the only thing that keeps the psychopaths in check both in the game and real life.
You talk a good game about sociopathic behavior and tendencies but I wonder if you realize that your most persuasive argument for "crazies on b.net" is in fact yourself.
You talk dark alleyways and crime filled streets and the evil doers should feel fear ... I tell you truthfully I would trust myself alone in a dark alley with any 10 of the pk'ers in this forum before I would walk into a well lit restaurant that I thought you might frequent.
So you love your chars ... yah, we all do. So you felt pain when your little pixel was attacked by Silkweed's little pixel (as example I use Silk). Well I would prolly be upset too, more at myself though. He entered, he hostiled, he waited for the wp and then he hunted. If I was dumb enough to sit there even after I saw the little red x enter my tomb (and yah - did you know if he can see you then you can see him?) then I deserved to have to restart.
So does Silk (again an example ... and I am calling you Silk because I like the name silk, he is a char in the books I got my name from and he is funny and .... oh right ... back to the pk thing) deserve to be punished? Ummm .... no.
We are talking about a game here and saying that anyone that plays the game in a way you don't like should be beaten and shot is truly the height of crazy.
Do the reactions of pissed off PKees make you happy? yes :)
Relativity
17-03-2004, 22:04
This thread is unbelievable. Kalki if Diablo II affects your mindstate so much that you feel depressed for days after a death of pixel, then you shouldnt be playing. PK'ing is part of the game, and there is some form of killing in practically every game on the market. Does that make the "killers" in all of these games sadistic and psychotic "lesser humans"? Maybe you should take your arguement up with Blizzard, and plead with them to take out the hostile feature, appealing to their humanity by comparing Diablo II to real life shootings. :rolleyes:
-Relativity
davew2040
17-03-2004, 22:14
One thing that never ceases to amuse me is how people use their opponent's level as a justification for their own (bad) behavior.
"I killed a guy 5 levels higher than me, so it's fair!" Yes, but he's playing through a Hardcore character from scratch, maybe for the first time, whereas your character is carefully created and tailored for the purpose of assaulting other players, using the best equipment imaginable for that purpose. It's completely ridiculous to think that level means anything when the other guy is unprepared, and you're obviously overprepared.
Level is practically meaningless in this context. Get used to it.
EDIT: One other thing about the parent post. I get the impression that the paladin this guy killed wasn't even actively playing the game. Maybe he minimized for a moment, or some background app forced a minimize, or he took a minute to get a drink, or whatever. Not the smartest idea, but I have to ask: what possible pleasure it would give anyone to attack a character in this state?
I do truly believe that for most PK'ers, it's not the "thrill of the hunt" that attracts them as much as it is the realization that they've bothered someone, and wasted their time (after all, what real thrill is there to know that you're going after someone with a character that is so customized for the purpose that you're 99% sure you'll win?). And that my fellow human beings can so easily adopt this mindset of maliciousness... bothers me. No, I don't consider it a serious offense against humanity, worthy of capital punishment or anything silly like that. However, the sheer quantity of people who seem to think that mildly malicious actions are okay just doesn't give me much faith in the future of humanity.
As I've said before, it's not specifically PK'ing in the game of Diablo 2 that makes me feel this way. It's just that PK'ing in the game of Diablo 2 is just another embodiment of a human hostility that you see on the news regarding events happening across the globe, or in history books detailing nations a thousand years past; too many people enjoy the suffering of others in small or great degree, perhaps believing that the sufferers are, in some critical aspect, different than they.
My thinking is, if you to engage in serious competition against human opponents, play a first person shooter. Or go outside and play some sports.
I agree that if you are literally upset for days after someone ATTEMPTED to pk you, that you are taking this game waaaaay to seriously!
You compare pking to a sucker punch breaking someones neck? I see a glaring flaw in your argument: Pking is intentionally in the game, it is an accepted part, meant to be in the game, dont like it? Deal with it, dont tell me I'm a criminal for doing it, because I think we can all agree that it was intended to be in the game.
As for karma, you make it seem as if I will go into withdrawal if I dont pk, I havent had a serious PKER in more than a month now, I have been dueling, that said, my next pvper is a pker. What does this have to do with karma? You say what goes around comes around? I would like to agree, because whats it mean? Well lets say the death of my sorceress in nm baal runs last night has me pretty well covered on the "evil" side of things for the last few months, and that I still have a lot of good karma headed my way for all the times I help people, friends and strangers, so yes, I hope you are right about pking.
Its like this, there are "good" pk's and "bad" pk's (lets just pretend, for the sake of this argument, that pking in GENERAL is neutral, bear with me) The good pk's are polite to their prey, they use no bugs, hacks, dupes etc, they use non-lame tactics, and they pk where their characters should be pking, not, for example, with a snapper in sewers.
Then you have the "bad" pk's. these guys use lame tactics, dupes, maphack etc etc, whatever it takes to get an ear, no holds barred. (whether they are legit or not is no matter to them)
I think that in terms of karma, the good pkers are maybe a little down, for the fact that they killed another guys character, however, it was all done within the "legal" methods PROVIDED BY the game!
On the other hand, theres the bad pkers who would be way down on karma, for obvious reasons.
I think its safe to say the majority of pkers in this discussion are good pks, and I in no way support bad pks, I think they are the reason for half the animosity towards pkers, and they give it a bad name, they make sure their reputations preceed me.
So, we have the good pkers who are a wee bit down on karma, then, oops, many of them do good things for others! For example, helping with quests, rushing, giving a good deal on a trade, not pushing a hard bargin for the sake of milking your item for all its worth, donating items to people who need them, etc etc. Well, lets just say that most of the good pkers i would think DO do at least some of that, so lets hope karma comes around 10 fold as you said, I better start mfing, I'm bound to get something good.
-Matt
doubleOObubble
17-03-2004, 23:03
All real life analogies on shootings and neck-breakings and what not are void as they are not within the rules of the society/sport, while PK IS.
So, please, Kalki and followers, keep on PK hating. I don't like being PKed either and I don't do it myself. But excusing the outright hatred that apparently makes you physcially and psychologically sick with comparison to illegal things with far greater consequenses to REAL life is << just about anything.
(Wonder if I get this one in before the lock is put on this thread...)
rofl lol lmao this thread is 10x more fun then pking
@people hating whining complaining about pkers
problems with pkers on diablo 2 hc? no problem! complain to blizzard they made the game
@ no one
it doesn't matter much if the pker picks on people on his own or higher level so what if he kill a 27 ? that is lame? nah that is the nature of pking
softcore or hardcore its your choice @@
When you create a char, don't you think that as a good HC player you must plan ahead for the eventual meetings with PK'ers. (Because you will meet them!)
So I simply think it's poor char planning to go out doing public Baalruns or questing games with a lvl 30 char with 100 stat points unused, a 20% chance to block, even though you use an Umbral or Pelta et.c.
Yes, you might survive all the monsters you encounter, but you must weight in the factor of PK's when you create a char that will play in public games.
Somehow alot of PvM-players think it's their right to never get hostiled in public games. Learn to create a durable char, even during the lvl-up stage is my advice :)
/Magnus
silkweed! nice story, and congrats on the new ear :)
you give me hope for my baby paladin :D granted hes PKK, but i was also thinking of making one of these PK assasins, im with you in the love of the assasin.
and what better thing for an ASSASIN to do than ASSASINATE a fellow "human" eh? lol dont hate silk for the PK, its only an assasin doing what assasins do!
Silkweed
18-03-2004, 01:45
Wow, this thread's gotten very big since the last posts I left last night! I'd better sort a few things out.
To anyone who railed me for targeting people who were close to my level, I don't think that makes me a lamer. For starters, PKing is a completely novel experience for me. That pally I killed was my third ear ever, and as someone said in my defence already, I've got to start somewhere. Once I figure out the limitations of my character, I will gradually start targetting higher and higher characters, but for now, killing people my own level is challenge enough. The other byproduct of my inexperience is that I am not familiar with whether or not a target is likely to be a PKK. For instance, what if that pally had been a two-handed charger with more damage on his maul than I have life? As it turned out, he was a completely new player that didn't know what he was doing, but I couldn't possibly have known this. The uncertainty factor is what makes it so exihilerating for me at this point. I know how fast I can kill Mephy with any of my characters, I know how to deal with all the monsters in the game, but real people are different.
Kalki, I would like to share with you my first PK story to show you that I know precisely what you're talking about.
This was during 1.09 and I had just made the switch over from SC to HC. I had been running Pindle with my sorceress in SC and had found a Windforce, which as you may recall was one of the hardest things to actually find in 1.09. I built a freezing arrow sorc and leveled her as far as 90, but one thing was becoming clear to me: it was time to move on.
Now, this had only been a recent intrigue for me. There was a time when had anyone asked me about HC mode, I would have said "That's stupid because you can die. Why would you want to play in a mode where you can lose everything?" But some articles and threads I read here on this site changed all that. I read one of the articles about a gamer who had played HC with his friend and had gotten as far as the Ancients, only to be killed. The author had taken a break from the game, but concluded his article by saying that one day he'd return to make "a character destined for death." Reading many obituaries in the "Our Fallen Friends" thread was also an awakening.
I came to realize that there could be no valor in playing a character with no risk. What good were any of my items or builds if my characters name wasn't inscribed in blood red? And so I made the move. My first character was the HC mirror image of the WF zon I had made in SC. She'd still be level 76 if I hadn't deleted her the night things went wrong.
You see, I didn't really have much of an item base. The economy in HC was radically different than I was used to. I can't recall whether or not the SoJ had lost value at this point, but I remember spending days trying to get a manald heal for the mana leech. It was wonderful! Items that normally I wouldn't think twice about were saving my life at all corners, this was something new and brilliant! When I had found enough items to begin making an MF barb, I set to work. He was glorious. He was perfectly built from all the knowledge I'd gathered about barbs from SC, and his equipment was decent too, stuff like Sigon's set, Bloodletter, and even a very nice Crescent Moon I'd found off NM Baal with the zon. That amulet was the most expensive thing I owned.
It was during the summer, and so waking up the next morning wasn't required. Naturally I was up around 2 am leveling my barb telling myself "I'll just get to 50, and then I can go to sleep." Well, I joined a bloodrun game and partied with the people there. There was a level 70 something sorceress in the game, but I didn't give it much thought. I should have. From Act 3, I took the WP to the foothills, and just before the loading screen came up, I heard the hostile warning go off. If my computer had been faster, well, Milo_theMayor might have lived, but instead, he was dead on arrival. I felt terrible. The sorceress laughed, said something about "Wow his resists were high," took my ear and the game went on. I typed in something to the effect of "Good kill," just trying to be civil about it, although it was forced, and left the game. My heart was crushed. I'd put everything into making that barb, made one slip and now he was gone. Yes, it was agony. And it bothered me that somewhere out there was a sorceress with Milo's ear.
I came to the forums to write up his obituary, but instead found myself writing a "goodbye, I'm quitting" letter. You see, I wasn't meant for HC just then, and yet ironically, having played HC, I couldn't go back to SC either. And so that night, I smashed my CDs in hopes that the game wouldn't take up anymore of my life than it already had. Dramatic, I know, but it was a long time ago.
Well, the urge came back, and I rebought. When 1.10 came out I went HC again now that I could say that it was where I belong. Which roughly brings us back to now. At this point, I have been playing this game for three years or so, and I there are things that I've never explored before. I've never, for instance, made a druid of any sort. I never had a PK character either, until now.
So what have we learned? Well, I've learned that PKing is part of the game, that death isn't the end of the world, and that just because someone kills you doesn't make them a bad person. I'm really quite a nice guy in real life, and as far as I know, I'm not psychotic or sadistic for killing people in a simulated online game. As for first person shooters, when I'm not playing Diablo 2, I play Descent 3 online with the few (and best!) pilots that still play it.
If you want to get into the whole karma thing, well, let me just tell you that I wish people with the intentions of killing me would go about it the way I do. I pride myself on being very courteous about this grim business. I didn't have to offer that paladin I killed any gear. I don't even have to wait the 10 seconds to take the WP if I want to be sneaky. I could be a complete ******* and really rub it in, but that's not what I'm trying to do. I am taking pleasure in me doing the killing, not them doing the dying. I feel for the people that I kill, in fact, the very first few times the hardest part was just hitting the hostile button. So why do it? Because it's fun and I'm starting to enjoy it. It's the thrill of the hunt.
As for whether there is any honour in PKing, well, that's a matter of opinion, but I personally think that a PK is honourable if he kills his prey within the confines of the game. I haven't yet decided whether or not that includes exploits like the WP trick (I have met people who have told me that all PK's are expected to use it, other that think it's flat out cheating), but certainly all third party programs are excluded. I do not, nor have I ever or will ever, use maphack. We use words like honour, valour and noble to describe people that are compassionate and fair. I fully intend to be as honourable a PK as I can.
To the person that asked me what I would do if the targets had gone to town and played the patience game:
This happens a lot to me, especially in games where I'd have to take a WP after hostiling. Usually, a verbal duel is in order, and I'm left to explain to people how being a PK does not affect my sexual orientation or make me an anti-semite (the guy who accused me of being akin to Hitler has some persecution complex issues, after all what the **** do I care if he's Jewish or not, how could I possibly have known until he told me?). Other games, I just get the silent treatment. If it becomes readily apparent that there is no way I will get the ear in the game, I simply let the people in the game know that it was nothing personal, just looking for some ears, not going to find any here and to take care in their game. It is entirely possible for a PK to have manners.
What's more interesting is when the people in the game warp to town and then want to get into a big discussion about the creation and playing of PK's. I met a guy the other night who kept telling me how terrible my gear was (he had maphack, duh), until I told him I was a kicker. "Didn't see that coming," he said, and so we talked about my build and he said he'd want to give it a try. Interestingly enough, I have made more friends and met more people in the course of being a PK than in my entire time playing PvM 1.10 in solo runs out of fear of being PKed. I find the irony amusing.
For anyone who is "against" PKing, my recommendation is for you to try it at least once. Even if you find it morally unsettling and resolve never to do it again, I guarantee that you will have a blast building your character and that your palms will be drenched in sweat by the time you get your first ear. One of the things I have enjoyed the most about my experience so far has not been the actual killing but the character building. The low to mid level game (1-30ish) is probably my most favourite part of the game, and PKing at my experience level with it lends itself to this area of the game.
Anyway, if you didn't like my story, I respect that. I'll try to write better next time (my sister was talking at me while I wrote it, and I felt like it was rushed :uhhuh: ), so that even if you are anti-PK, it could be like reading a good anti-hero story. Just keep in mind that you don't have to read it all if it offends you.
CAPS-IOCK
18-03-2004, 01:46
offering tals armor for kalkis ear
*looks on caps offer*
So kalki do you wanna be friends, i could show you a special build on how to get me tals armor... err i mean kill all pkers, it'l be fun, just go outa town with hostile on any of my characters and i'l kill.. er i mean "show you the build"
Anyways i pk for the thrill. Theres nothing funner then going after lvl 50 characters with a lvl 21 paladin. Never knowing if there wielding a cruel ethreal balrog blade or a cracked short sword. Always on the inch of death. Thats fun to me.
Silkweed
18-03-2004, 02:07
I think I'd pay something nice for Kalki's ear myself, hahaha.
Radagast
18-03-2004, 02:16
Excuse me if this is a bit redundant guys, but i couldn't really read another two pages in silence.
*starts to scream and twitch joe cocker style*
Sorry, i'm allergic to pseudo-moral posts. Anyway, if you'll allow me to quote a disney movie (and a damn good one at that :teeth: ) there are two rules to play by out in the great wide open of pubbies (or bad priv games): what a man can't do and what a man can do (i'm not going to even pretend to understand those "other" people - ladies forgive the ignorance). If a player can exploit the wp trick or trigger hack with a necro, be aware! It's irrelevant as far as you and your ear go whether or not these were intentional devices of the game; all that matters is that they are indeed devices of the game.
Besides, i sure know that back in my SC days dueling was the only thing that kept my addiction alive for the longest time. I don't see much of a difference between the incentive to hunt people and the incentive to duel - you're out seeking a little challenge/variety that pvm simply can't, and for a lot of us, has ceased to offer. Not to say that the patch hasn't helped in that respect.
Anyway, if you have a problem with PKing and the triggers, make a new game with different rules (ie - a complicated password) or play single-player. No amount of grousing will change it otherwise. Hell, i lost my accounts a while back because i trusted a friend with their passwords. Now, painfully aware of that rule (the one where a man can steal your items and delete your characters) singleplayer and lan games are suddenly a lot more interesting than they once were.
Namarie,
~Radagast
offering tals armor for kalkis ear
Better yet why don't you crack my account steal my items and delete all my characters (as an added bonus I have tals armor). Before you do it tell everyone on my /f list that I eat babies too. That would be funny. The account is Kalki on US East and the password shouldn't be too hard to crack. A simple cracker could probably do the job. After you do that, crack all my other passwords and really show me what hell is like. Wow I bet that would be a lot of fun. I couldn't really give 2 sh*ts right now as I'm ready to leave this whole game for good, and games in general. I've enjoyed 95% of this site so far, but having stumbled upon this post and little community makes me want to just walk. I don't make cookie-cutter power leveling characters. I make PvM fun party builds. I clear most of every area and kill 99% of the monsters. I never do exp or MF "runs". I play from start to finish, and if my party comes up short than so be it. We had fun with the challenges while they lasted. PKers hurt my style of play the most as many areas are off-limits (near any wp), and continuously playing through with friends is impossible. When you kill a lvl 30 character of mine you literally just wasted dozens of hours of my life (or 2 days equivalent). Considering the average human will live 25550 days (70 * 365). With just 1 PK you would waste 2/25550 of my total life (considering I'll try to rebuild as most suckers do). That's nothing I take lightly, because it's the result of senseless malice and bullying.
Also, I do have a lvl 9 dueler I am making with various lvl 9 charms and equipment I find (bloodfists :thumbsup: ), and when he's ready I'll duel until he's dead and start making him again. I bet that will be a hoot. I've also dueled with my characters I no longer use or will ever use.
As for taking my ear you're going to have to crack a private game password, hope I'm afk, and probably even use a rogue/golem trick.
One day a RPG out there will implement a hostile feature (and thankfully so), but will also have a means for a player or group of players to retaliate against a moraless coward like a PKer. That will be the day when Honor regroups and sends the psychotic away or back to an obedient role.
A. Silkweed:
PK's are an acceptible part of the game. I can respect that. IF you use the WP bypass you lose all respect in what you are currently doing IMHO.
B. Sucker punches like Bertuzzi did to Moore happen in about 25% of all hockey games. They go unpunished constantly. The NHL is taking a double standard on this action. If Bertuzzi intended to hurt him he woulda Slew footed him (which also goes unpunished in almost every NHL game) or slashed him across the forearms. The real question on this injury should be being answered by the helmet makers. That punch knocked Moore out (if you didnt see this watch the replay again, he was out before he hit the ice which caused the broken neck). Bertuzzi wasnt even swinging that hard with his glove on and knock Moore out with his helmet on. Hockey helmets need to be improved. Look at the rise of concussions in the NHL in the last few years. IT is sickening. The NHL and the helmet manufacturers sure want to keep this under wraps though. So they punish and point fingers at a player actions as the cause of the problem, but it lies much deeper than that. Watch Bertuzzi's press conference and you will see a quite remorseful individual. Everyone makes mistakes from time to time. He did the crime and will serve the time, and the NHL will get off scott free and actions like Bertuzzi's will continue around the league unpunished for the most part till this happens again.
SORRY, hijack..
I agree 100%. People are jumping on the bandwagon like Bertuzzi did something unusual or horrible. The results were horrible, but the action wasn't unusual at all.
IMO, since hockey needs fights for attendance/ratings - they are on a par with WWE or WWF. It's not a real sport anymore.
Now high school and college games are really good. No fighting, none of that crap. The game can stand on its own if it's played as it should be.
unhijack
edit: I agree also on don't use a wp exploit to get kills. You might as well write a script or something.
Geralcik
18-03-2004, 02:58
An amusing thread indeed, thank you Silkweed and others, nice diablo gaming history too :)
Kalki, think it over carefully. Then think again. Your current attitude is, well, frightening. As every fanatic's.
CAPS-IOCK
18-03-2004, 03:09
"and the password shouldn't be too hard to crack"
Ill give it a try
"I couldn't really give 2 sh*ts right now as I'm ready to leave this whole game for good, and games in general"
Plz do so
"When you kill a lvl 30 character of mine you literally just wasted dozens of hours of my life "
Haha I wonder how many hours were wasted when I pkd that lvl 97 sorc Starzia
"and probably even use a rogue/golem trick"
I sure would
"waste 2/25550 of my total life " "senseless malice and bullying" "when Honor regroups and sends the psychotic away or back to an obedient role."
"That's nothing I take lightly" "moraless coward like a PKer"
Diablo 2 is a GAME..Know what that means? a game is something you play for FUN when you arent at work/school or with friends/gf. If you do not have any of those, I will delete this post + the bounty post because I would not want to RUIN UR WHOLE LIFE.
Cleglaw_Himself
18-03-2004, 03:19
but having stumbled upon this post and little community makes me want to just walk.
Wow, for most ppl, it makes them stay.
You really need to unsaddle your moral highhorse for a change.
lasthero
18-03-2004, 03:25
Maybe we should all look at the world of diablo a different way,
1) yes it is a alternate reality in which everyone can enjoy themselves in different ways. Therefore both pvmers ,pkers and duelers have the right to enjoy the game and neither should be bashed for any reason what so ever as this game belongs to all and not just to one group.
2) The world of diablo hardcore is very much a parallel of Darwin's Theory of evolution, Quite simply as most would know it as "survival of the fittest", if your not fit to survive you die, like the prey of a lion , you cant possibly say that its unfair for the prey thats just illogical. Now in comparison with pkers a Lion is just that, a pker, he is built to the teeth and any prey standing up to fight doesnt have a chance usually. It is not like real life where everyone is given a "fair" chance and thus one should not really complain about pkers but merely think of it as an obstacle in your way of surviving.
I think the problem with the majority of these arguments is that we are comparing the Diablo Universe to our Democratic Society. This simply is not possible as we can see in a Democratic Society everyone is given a fair chance, the so-called "weak" can survive because of government sponsored programs and thus everyone thrives. But this is not the case with the Diablo Universe as I've already stated before it very much relates to the structure of the animal kingdom and obeys the laws and concepts of Darwins Theory of Evolution.
So after all this educational stuff what am I trying to say? Look at Diablo in a different context from our Democratic Society and you begin to see that what Diablo is , its basically anarchy, there is no room to make errors, there is no room to be annoyed, there is only room to survive.
As for hacks or wp exploits I personally beleive whoever uses these to pk or duel are pathetic and dont even deserve to pk or duel thats why i hunt them down also :)
I have to admit that I agree with much of the sentiment, if not the verbatim content, of Kalki's posts. I tried to resist the hijack, but I just can't.
While DII is a game, PKing is still a violent, antisocial attack on another. It is part of the game, but that doesn't make it the correct thing to do.
The game is rated mature, but many of the people you'll encounter on bnet are early teens. People who have read my previous posts know that I'm older, I have three teenaged step-daughters. Being a "parent" gets you started thinking/caring about other people's feelings, even putting others before yourself.
I just can't help but feel badly for people who lose characters when they don't know what's going on. I think duelling is great, and pkers don't bother me. I enjoy the challenge of avoiding them. I made a pker once, but pkking is the only thing that seems ok to me. I've never taken an ear.
If pking is the right thing to do, and shouldn't bother anyone - I have a suggestion. Pk only your friends. It should be easy to track them, since bnet messages you when they enter games. If you wouldn't pk your friends - tell me why it's different/ok to pk strangers. :scratch:
nice more posts lol
there is no right or wrong in pking it is simply part of the game
CAPS-IOCK
18-03-2004, 03:47
"Pk only your friends. It should be easy to track them, since bnet messages you when they enter games. If you wouldn't pk your friends - tell me why it's different/ok to pk strangers"
Are you for real? If so, you need to find another way to spend ur time when ur drunk/on crack.
"Pk only your friends. It should be easy to track them, since bnet messages you when they enter games. If you wouldn't pk your friends - tell me why it's different/ok to pk strangers"
Are you for real? If so, you need to find another way to spend ur time when ur drunk/on crack.
He he, you've convinced me. I totally see the error of my ways!!! I was so wrong before! :lol:
My friends generally are better than me, or play only softcore ;)
You know, despite the fact that I am pro-pk, I think that some of "us" (aka CAPS) Make the rest of us seem like "lesser" players. If all pk's were like CAPS (Haha, yes, i would use rogue/golem trick, I hope i wasted a lot of Starzias time etc etc) Then i would be a lot less proud to be a pker. Its people like that who give us legit pkers a bad name. This is the most anti-pk I will ever get, so pay attention ;)
Seriously, dont be a jerkoff about killing someones character, personally, I think that it is 100% justified because it is part of the game, but that somewhat like (to make a crude analogy) being a VIP at an airport, allowing you to go the the front of the 25 person line, sure, its perfectly acceptable and you are allowed to do so, but that doesnt mean you should turn around and taunt the guy behind you and take your time at the counter just to make him wait. I would say congratulations on killing a 97, its an ear to be proud of. But its not. I happen to know, (you have said it yourself) that you use the wp exploit to go around the 10 second delay, then you laugh about how it was probably a LOT of time of his/hers you wasted by killing his sorceress. Is that really what pking is all about for you? YOU are the sadistic people who Kalki refers to. You kill not for something new to do, not for the thrill of a good hunt, you kill to get an ear, and whatever it takes is what you will do. If thats why you pk, then I pity you, you are not getting the half of it. Seems to me you would know about as much as a purely pvmer, with no pk experince about what pking is all about, because you have not experienced what it is all about to me and many others.
I dont pk to laugh in someones face about killing their character, I pk because, well, its a hell of a lot more exciting than killing monsters, and I honestly belive that goes both ways, I rather like being hostiled, honestly, dont you get a little adrenelin rush when the hostile horn goes off? Now imagine you are the one hunting. But to you, this is not pking. Pking to you is loading up your triggerhacks, breaking out your maphack, equipping your duped BOTD and other goodies and watching as your scripts carry out the action of killing in the blink of an eye (not literally, i know you use a barb, but thats not exactly the point, you nearly every option realistically avaliable to get an ear, ambushing people at a waypoint using dupes, admitting you would do whatever it takes)
Is that pking? No, of course not, so you take your level 97 ears, and go brag about them, maybe give your buddies a link to the site where you buy your gear. I'll be content with the level 71 ear I got 100% legitly with my 30 dueler, I will be satisfied with the 65 ear that my level 30 lopped off, I will be happy knowing my 26 beat an 84 in a duel, I will be happy with all the ears 10 levels about me, and you know why? Because I hunted and dueled for them, with no hacks, no exploits, no dupes, I earned those ears, and I bet, given an equal setup to me, I would beat you, because you dont even really fight, you just pop through a wp in .5 seconds, do one WW and pick up the ear. You keep on doing it your way, Ill keep on doing it mine.
This is not meant to be a flame, though I realize it came out sounding that way, I am simply trying to point out that many pkers say anti-pks have such a closed mind, well, I suggest we pk's keep an open mind too, and lets keep in mind that there are people out there who give us a bad name, and rightfully so, I have no respect for them either, lets keep in mind that despite how WE pk, there are many more who will stoop to tactics much below what we would use, so just remember that people who have only seen those types of pks will respond accordingly.
(when i say "you" I dont not refer only to you CAPS, though from what I hear from many people, yourself included in an earlier thread, you do fit the descriptions I gave of the general group of "you's")
Also, Kalki, you say 2/22550 or something of your life is wasted when your character dies? Hmm, thats odd, I didnt know that by getting a D2 character to 85, we achieved something more than what may be, in the long run, a waste of time. If you dont enjoy leveling low characters, have a friend rush it! If you do, then dont complain about how you have to do it again, go do it. Dont say your time is wasted by the death of your character, your time is not wasted. It is a different issue whether items may be wasted, but your time is spent on D2 either way, and in the long run, is no more of a waste. You may say its fun when he doesnt die, if its not fun making a new character, then you are playing the wrong game, and you should not say that you have to do it over and over due to pk's, because you really should not die more than once or twice to pk's.
Just some food for thought.
-Matt
Silkweed
18-03-2004, 05:35
I couldn't really give 2 sh*ts right now as I'm ready to leave this whole game for good, and games in general.
All pleasantries aside, Kalki, good ridance if you do quit.
Lasthero was dead on when he mentioned Darwinism as the heart of this game. PK's are meant to separate the wheat from the chaff. One way of looking at it is that PK's help characters to their deaths that they would inevitably reach anyways. Let's get one thing clear about HC - your character is going to die. The leading cause of death in all HC characters is carelessness, and not leaving the game or getting to safety when that hostile warning goes off on your PvM character falls under precisely that catagory.
In a world full of sheep, there will always be wolves. To think otherwise is delusional and unrealistic.
If you had asked me a year ago if Blizzard should remove non-consensual hostility, I would have told you yes. But now that I've tried it myself, I would say no, keep it in. The game is better for it.
Spero, I wouldn't PK my friends. They are my friends precisely for the reason that I trust them with my character's life and gear when I play with them. Killing them would go against that. I have no such agreement with strangers I meet online, in fact, I fully expect and anticipate them to do anything they can to kill me off.
I share you sympathy and fully understand the whole putting others before yourself thing. But there's a time and a place for that. Other times I am going to want to kill other people for their ear. Sometimes I feel like I'm doing Battle.net a favor if I happen to kill someone that "OMFG LIEK WTF TALKS LIEK THIS LOLZ!!!111 one one one one (j00 gib itamz n00bx0r? WUG WUG WUG)."
CAPS-IOCK
18-03-2004, 05:39
Ive never talked **** after killing anyone, not even that lvl 97 or the multiple 90s ive killed. My "wasted hours" statement was just meant to make fun of this loser whos crying all over this thread.
As for you MATT, if you wanna play the "im better and more mature than u" card, please refrain from posting these ebayer comments because you're just making a fool out of yourself. If you also believe that skipping the 10 sec delay is not legit, then you need to shove your "no pk experience" up your *** because that only proves you have never pkd before 1.10 and have absolutely no clue what it was previously, and even before xpack that is.
There is absolutely no way any SUCCESSFULL pker could survive without the wp skipping delay. Even you, the oh so godly MATT would not survive 6ppl waiting for on WS2 wp if they had the chance to prepare for 10 seconds.
"and I bet, given an equal setup to me, I would beat you, because you dont even really fight"
First off, starzia fought back so 10 sec delay or not, she would have been there.
2nd, you would NOT beat me..why? simply because nobody has. CanadianBeef (zerk dueler)& CanadianBeeef (WW pk)were the best 2 barbs on Useast 1.10. So you can keep gloating with "if" "would" "should" and not actually do **** just like everybody else. If you cant beat someone then you dont flame.
cyradis2003
18-03-2004, 05:51
One day a RPG out there will implement a hostile feature (and thankfully so), but will also have a means for a player or group of players to retaliate against a moraless coward like a PKer. That will be the day when Honor regroups and sends the psychotic away or back to an obedient role.
But Kalki .... you are the only psychotic one. You ARE the one who advocated shooting PK'ers in real life you know.
*coughs* and u prolly do eat babies *coughs*
You do realize of course that if you hadn't started flaming Silkweed and then saying that the real life death of a person isn't as bad as getting your pixel squooshed no one here would have thrashed you like this. You came into a forum known for it's PK build advice and strat posts and then pulled out your schwartz (spaceballs walks again - I shall not rest till all threads have spaceballs references ... even if I must comb the forum!!!) for a pissing contest. You had to expect this reaction and if you didn't then you should have.
I don't pk but honestly it really isn't my business if the others do. They hostile me I go to town and make derogatory references to the state of their personal hygeine 'tis good fun for all. I find it amusing and I hope they do as well since I work hard to come up with new and varied insults for their reading pleasure.
ANy way thank you for playing, please try again.
*edit because I can't spell or type*
Silkweed
18-03-2004, 05:56
And I look forward to reading them each time, Cyradis.
:)
Relativity
18-03-2004, 05:58
All pleasantries aside, Kalki, good ridance if you do quit.
I agree, if you decide to leave, Kalki, don't let the door hit you on the way out!
ANy way thank you for playing, please try again.
Please insert coin to continue...
-Relativity
My god CAPS, thank you, you just proved my point exactly.
I said I would beat you in a 1v1 with EQUAL settings, hence, it does not matter that your barbs were so awesome, because it would be equal footing. No, i Am not rich! Dont deny ebaying, you told a friend of mine you talked with online that you ebay, and its pretty widely known knowledge.
As for me having no pk experience because I dont "know" that skipping the 10 second delay is "legit"? Are you kidding me? You just blatently stated that an obvious exploit of the game, in a way it was not intended to be used, is legit. How can you possibly justify saying that?
So I have no pking experience? I can show you ears if thats what you REALLY want me to do, you can ask people online, but hey, whats it to me if you dont think I pk? Dont say I didnt pk in 09, I did, and its simply stupid to try to argue with me that I never pked before 1.10.
As for pking pre expansion? No, I never did, and I never claimed to, how exactly is this relevant though? Preexpansion was what, 2 years ago? 3?
There is no way a sucessful pker can survive 6 people waiting on the wsk2 wp because the 10 second delay gives them time to prepare? Are you kidding me? How many times does it happen that you hostile someone, then, in 10 seconds, they all go sit on the waypoint and prepare to kill you? Never, it never happens. It DOES happen that a party will fight back, but its really in no way tied to the 10 second delay, and if you think that having that is the difference in being a sucessful pker, than I think we need to reexamine who exactly is the "godly" pker here, because if you are as good as you claim to be, that should not stop you now should it?
I was not challenging you to a duel, I do not wish to duel any high level, ebayed, duped out barbs thank you very much, I said given EQUAL settings (in other words, the same character for both of us, not you spend 300 dollars on a character, while I make them with what i find) I would beat you, and I stand by that, I would, I hunt, I dont camp waypoints.
You are just proving my point that people like you give us legit pkers a bad name.
By the way, why are you saying my name "MATT" in all caps? I am writing yours that way because its the way it is actually written, not trying to make fun of your name or anything. :scratch:
-Matt
I've one thing to say to Kaiki; Silkweed warned everyone (in a metaphor) that he was going to attack them. The Paladin had the 10 second timer to leave, and he also had about 5-10 minutes, the time it took for Silkweed to find the Necro.
CookiesnCream
18-03-2004, 06:31
Quality not quantity... Anyway since I'm not allowed to express myself about something without being insulted let the childish flame-war begin. Funny how I get bashed and the Pker gets defended. You think this makes you hardcore? Does it make you are "hardcore" hockey fan for defending Bertuzzi for breaking another hockey player's neck? No it makes you a moron. Running around being a bully isn't cool no matter what the setting is, especially when you aren't man enough to fight under mutual terms or face to face. I guess those are just "old world" values though. I can't wait to hear what kind of insults I get for having values. I've taken **** before for being a good person, and I'll take **** for it again, but I'll never break. If you get delight in being a bully, than... it doesn't need to be said. You know what you are.
Pking is part of the game and you have to accept it. It's wrong to ruin someone else's fun, but it was the pallys fault if he didn't want to tp back into town. And I do agree with this statement you made though:
Running around being a bully isn't cool no matter what the setting is, especially when you aren't man enough to fight under mutual terms or face to face.
He's right. let's accept a fact, most PKers would do just awful against an experienced/good dueler. I know some people are good at dueling and pking, but from my experiences, most aren't. One time a lvl 18 charger pally tried to pk us, I was a lvl 15 necro at the time. Someone brought in their dueler and guess what? The pally simply refused to duel him. Why? Because he can't duel, end of story. He picks on PvMers because he can't PvP. He obviously had maphack and scanned his gear to make sure he was PvM. I even read one post about how some people refuse to even duel people who are even their own lvls. One pker even brought his high lvl mf sorc to duel a dueling barb, well since he brought his mf sorc, the barb brought his high level dueling barb (GF, arreats, stormshield, you can tell he had some major godly stuff on). And again, the sorc refused to duel the barb and just started using profanity continuously. So I agree with that, most pkers only kill PvMers because they lack the necessary skill to survive in the dueling world. It even happens in softcore, mf sorcs make "free stuff games" and then they really intend to pk low lvls for gold. And then when everyone brings in their high lvl chars, she teleports right back into town or she calls her friends over and then when she still loses, she simply leaves the game. Survival of the fittest? I don't think so. And I also agree with Matt, if you use a wp bug to get your kills, you're not really a godly pk are you? But then again, unlike most PKers, CAPS could probably back up what he says.
this thread starting to smell i think it need to be close
Cleglaw_Himself
18-03-2004, 06:47
And the world keeps spinning round and round...
New posters, old arguments...
PK is bad, no its not, yes it is, no its not, yes it is, no its not, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, hostiles...
CAPS-IOCK
18-03-2004, 08:04
too bad MATT had to throw his 2 ****ty cents in...Everyone knows I ebay for sure, you can take a look at my ebay account and see everything I sold..and..nothing ive bought..
Sorry man, you need to lay off the flaming. You make **** up about me in order to make urself look better? I dunno, you seem to be trying to prove something by making these false statements up. Make a name for yourself and quit trying to bring everyone down, especially when they are more skilled than you are..As ive always said, dont talk the shlt you cant handle.
Hi,
I've been reading the posts between Matt and CAPS ....
Matt 1
CAPS 0
Most people on the HC Forum respect legitimancy ... by your own comments CAPS, you've hung yourself.
Regards Syxx
MoUsE_WiZ
18-03-2004, 11:14
SORRY, hijack..
IMO, since hockey needs fights for attendance/ratings - they are on a par with WWE or WWF. It's not a real sport anymore.
You sir, need to go die*. Hockey not a real sport? Hah. If people are watching hockey for fights, they are doing so for the wrong reasons. It just happens to be a game that is played with emotion which occasionally boils over. I won't attempt to argue sagging ratings or attendance, but that is due largely inpart to it being a Canadian game being played in the USA for American dollars combined with a fair amount of over expansion. Highschool and college may be without fights, but they are generally decided by one or two players who will go on to be in the NHL, whereas everyone else will go on to a career. Allstar and international type games, which are loaded with offensive talent on the other hand, are also without fights. They are also boring to watch (Allstar more than international, the international games can be good, but not as often as an NHL game), but not because of a lack of fighting. It is because the grit players who add the emotion to the game are not a part of it. There are NOT fights in every game, nor are there cheapshots. Those things do happen, and do excite people, but are NOT the reason people** watch games. Blocked shots, effort put into retrieving a loose puck, and clean checks add to the sport well beyond great stick handling and beautiful passing plays. It is the grit that makes the game into a sport which requires endurance and a general toughness well beyond that of may other professional sports to play at a top level. It is the grit that makes offensive genius stand apart as a thing of beauty.
Not only do you claim hockey to not be a true sport, but you further lump it together with a TV show with plotlines planned well out into the future. Not to call wrestlers actors rather than athletes, as they are both, but where is the sport in competing for a belt when the producers already know when it will be won and lost.
Can you tell I'm Canadian? ^^
*die=reconsider your position on that issue, please don't actually do it!
**people=hockey fans, rather than fans of random acts of violence
Back on "topic"...
@Matt over the statement CAPS made on Starzia
He was polite on the death, and it wasn't a case of how many hours of Starzia's life CAPS wasted, but was rather a question of how many hours Starzia had wasted up until that point. Starzia actually said thank you for it. The times I've run into beef on b.net he was good mannered, I mean aside from dupes and hacks and exploits used. But I don't blame the player too much for those...I know I went through the same phase at one point in my life. It doesn't make for a bad person necessarily. I'd prefer if they didn't, but until it all stops I will accept it and continue playing.
@Rah in regards to ED in armor on kicksins.
IIRC ED in armor does increase kick damage, not 100% on that, but I've read it a few places now. It's something that would be easy enough to find out for sure.
EDIT:
@Everyone commenting on the lack of level difference between Silk and his victim.
Silk had plenty of reason to believe that the paladin was a PKK, commented on it himself, and still went after the guy. A 27 paladin running around in A2 could easily be an eth honor charger/zealer/whatever. Would you recommend that Silk start using MH to determine between questionable PKKs and innocent PvMers of similar level?
The only illogical part would be why he's in a game with only one other player, who is in A5. You could also argue that he wouldn't have to worry about the guy being a PKK if he wasn't picking on someone close to his level, but he's still new to PKing, so his theory of building up experience is a legitimate one.
Judging from the responses of certain people I am a homocidal maniak that enjoys taking human life and has no moral standards. Hip hip hurray! I'm sorry, but I live in the plar region, and if it moves I eat it.
seriously though: What's the difference between FPS deathmathching and Diablo 2? Yes sir, correct, NOTHING! DII contains the hostile button, and that enables anyone in a pubbie game to make a deathmmatch out of any pubbie game. It's ncie that you all consider us pk's to be morally bankrupt sadists, but that unfortunately aint true of a lot of the pk's here on dii.net's HC forum.
Then again, I remember a long time ago when I was against all pk-ing....
MoUsE_WiZ
18-03-2004, 12:21
http://www.warbucket.com/site/encyc/get_file.php?id=50
Warbucket is mainly WC3 related, but this one pretty much relates to D2. This one pretty much popped into my mind as I categorized people ^^
I know Stress didn't post here, but I'll have to quote his patented anti-pk vs. pk flamebait.
PK'ing is cool and fun
Nice story Silkweed, I still remember the first time I went to the bloody hills with my lvl 18 pike charger in 1.09. My hands were shaking like mad, it was hilarious. Truly, the greatest pk'ing experiences are the ones where you track down your victims in the outmost regions of act3 and such. I just loved following trails of dead monsters to locate people who would clearly think they would never be found. Grats on the kills, keep it up.
And btw, as several others said: lay off the wp exploit
MoUsE_WiZ
18-03-2004, 13:23
Lay off as in lay off of picking on it, or lay off of abusing it?
Not that I care which you meant (getting close to 400), but it could be interpreted either way...
SonOfRah
18-03-2004, 13:43
http://www.warbucket.com/site/encyc/get_file.php?id=50
Warbucket is mainly WC3 related, but this one pretty much relates to D2. This one pretty much popped into my mind as I categorized people ^^
ROFL thats rich.
Also, my bad, non-weapon ed gets added to kick damage. I missed that part in the kicking equation when I read it oh so many months ago. If the jewel has max or min damage or not, then it won't work at all for kicks. http://rpgforums.net//showthread.php?t=127905 for kick info.
And as for this thread. It = *yawn* now. Not that ANYONE would LISTEN to my suggestion right at the start to go off and MAKE your OWN pk debate thread.
*grumble*gurmble*
Lock please Zappa :)
Lay off as in lay off of picking on it, or lay off of abusing it?
Not that I care which you meant (getting close to 400), but it could be interpreted either way...
As in don't use it, I see now that it could be interpreted either way. (getting close to 600)
ZappaFan
18-03-2004, 14:10
Yikes, definitely wasn't watching this thread close enough.
Pk'ing, whether you like it or not, is a part of the game and aside from cheating means is exactly the way Blizzard intended it. Don't flame people here if you can't deal with that fact. Personally I myself don't like it but that's just tough noogies.
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